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RIAA Offers Amnesty to File Sharers

Mister Dre writes "Apparently, the RIAA is planning to offer amnesty to file sharers who promise to delete copyrighted material from their computers. To take advantage, of course, you 'have to send a completed, notarized amnesty form to the RIAA, with a copy of a photo ID.'" Hey RIAA, how about I just stop sharing files, and we call it even? I know I own most of the CDs for the files I listen to, but I stopped buying those too so you'll know where I stand.

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  1. jack valenti, call for you on line 1.... by sweeney37 · · Score: 5, Funny

    first, they drop the price of CDs. now they're offering amnesty.

    somebody call satan to see if hell froze over.

    Mike

    1. Re:jack valenti, call for you on line 1.... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sure... "Amnesty"... Photo ID...

      This is a like those stings where wanted criminals "win a prize" and when they go to collect it, get arrested.

      They need to drop CD's a LOT further in price before anyone I know will buy them again.

    2. Re:jack valenti, call for you on line 1.... by dietz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Jack Valenti is actually the head of the MPAA. They are in charge of suing you when you download movies or distribute open source software to play DVDs.

      The RIAA, the subject of this story, is in charge of suing you when you download music or copy CDs. The head of the RIAA is Cary Sherman, after Hillary Rosen retired recently.

    3. Re:jack valenti, call for you on line 1.... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right. If you submit this, all the RIAA has is your word that you deleted the files. It even says in the article: "Those who renege on their promise will be subject to charges of willful copyright infringement". So basically, you give your identity to the RIAA and tell them you have committed infringement in the past, and you get what? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! You can't keep downloading music, you can't keep the music you already have, and you don't have immunity from being sued in the future. You only have a guarantee that if the RIAA already knew you were sharing, and were *just about* to file a lawsuit, they won't. The chances of that are slim to none.

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    4. Re:jack valenti, call for you on line 1.... by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Yup. Reminds me of the BSA.

      If you "renege on the promise you will be subject to charges of willful copyright infringement." So basically you are giving up any possible defense you may have because you've entered into a contract where you agree to accept those charges.

      Plus, how are they going to know if you renege? I'd rather not be the subject of a surprise search of my hard drive to verify that I'm complying with my side of the deal even if I am. I don't need that kind of aggrevation any more than a business wants to deal with a BSA audit even if they're 100% legit.

      The less the BSA, Microsoft, RIAA, government, etc. know about me personally the better, even if I'm 100% legit.

    5. Re:jack valenti, call for you on line 1.... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I doubt it's a honeypot. I don't think many people would sign up for this and then continue sharing, and I don't think the RIAA would turn around and sue people who abided by their terms (it would be PR suicide). In fact, I don't think many people will sign up for this at all. Rather, this is just a PR stunt, so the RIAA can later say "We tried to be nice, we even gave you amnesty! What more do you want?" It'll look good in the news. They want to get public opinion back on their side.

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    6. Re:jack valenti, call for you on line 1.... by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 5, Interesting

      " doubt it's a honeypot. I don't think many people would sign up for this and then continue sharing, and I don't think the RIAA would turn around and sue people who abided by their terms (it would be PR suicide). "

      Dude. RIAA. In PR terms they're beginning to stink up the crawlspace. The next thing would be that people are asked to audit their own systems from a form that would just skirt legality in terms of threats and mention the heavy fines that they're trying to buy from Congress. It'll then go into a database, and you'll probably receive junk mail from these people ad infinitum.

      Personally I consider them less trustworthy than crackheads and half as competent.

      For those interested in the ongoing debate;

      David Munns (EMI) whines about the high cost of CD Production and recieves no sympathy.

      The views that prompted the panicky music exec.

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  2. RIAA subpoena by tcd004 · · Score: 5, Funny

    For your viewing pleasure: A copy of a subpoena from the RIAA.

    Tcd004

    1. Re:RIAA subpoena by scotch · · Score: 5, Funny

      The moderation system is way broken. Has been for a long time.

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  3. What a deal by mpeg4codec · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, in order to buy amnesty from the RIAA, I have to sell them my identity? Sounds fair...

    1. Re:What a deal by rushiferu · · Score: 5, Funny

      "So, in order to buy amnesty from the RIAA, I have to sell them my identity? Sounds fair... "

      That's because you didn't read the part where you sign with your blood and mail the document back in an envelope made of the flesh of your first born. Remember, always read the fine print!

    2. Re:What a deal by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, in order to buy amnesty from the RIAA, I have to sell them my identity? Sounds fair...

      I got an email from them. Except they wanted my credit card and bank account numbers. And they were in Nigeria.

  4. Boggles the mind. by GoofyBoy · · Score: 5, Funny


    I won't even get off my ass, go store and buy a CD so what makes them think that I will get something notarized?

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  5. No. by JAYOYAYOYAYO · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep in mind the RIAA is not the only organization that owns copyrights on music. Whats stopping some other company from taking advantage of these admissions of guilt?

  6. Right...amnesty...sure by grasshoppa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is the same trick I use when I am trying to fire an employee. I make them reread the company policy, and sign that they did, so the next violation, I can boot them legally.

    Now extend this. You sign your soul to these folks, and they catch you sharing files again. Water tight case as far as they and the court systems are concerned.

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  7. Trust is frail by Locky · · Score: 5, Funny

    To NYCGirl

    We'll forgive you for your evil-doings. Just send us Photo ID, address details, mother's maiden name, breast size and we'll let you go free. We promise.

    Love,

    Your Friends, The RIAA.

    XOXOX

  8. question. by holzp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does this cover all the naked pictures of Hilary Rosen on my hard drive too?

  9. My Only Response: by Wes+Janson · · Score: 5, Funny

    F***. You.

    That is all.

  10. Yes...Trust us, we are the RIAA by retro128 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Filesharer,
    We know we can't possibly track all you bastards down in order to put you (or your parents) into financial ruin just like you have done to our starving "artists". So instead, just give us your photo, name, and address and admit you are pirating music and we promise nothing will happen. Really.

    -The RIAA

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  11. can I download the form? by holzp · · Score: 5, Funny

    or is it copyrighted too?

    1. Re:can I download the form? by CleverNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just download it from formster.

  12. This is really a new intelligence test. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Send in your notarized form with photo ID IQ: 50
    Send in your notarized form w/o photo ID IQ: 60
    Send in the form with only your first name IQ: 70
    Use the form to line the kitty box IQ: 80
    Ignore the whole thing IQ: 100
    Send in the notarized form with a local politician's name IQ: 130

  13. Re:At the end of the day by Wes+Janson · · Score: 5, Funny
    1." Do two wrongs make a right?"


    Actually, three lefts make a right. Or, if you wish, the equation can be represented as 2w=xr, where x is equal to the number of wrongs necessary to equal a right. In this instance, x equals 1f, where f=finger. Which is what my response would be to such a request.
  14. Re:At the end of the day by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 5, Insightful
    At the end of the day, the manner in which the RIAA conducts business is legal, though obviously immoral. Willing copyright infringement is not.
    It has never been legal to issue subpoenas without due process. Why the RIAA was given that power is beyond comprehension. Actually, it's entirely within comprehension: they give the government lots of money.
  15. Can't WAIT to get the address to send my "info" by ScottGant · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've got so many people that I know personally that hate the RIAA. We're going to have a field day sending them all kinds of joke photo ID's.

    Hey, keeps us off the streets.

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    1. Re:Can't WAIT to get the address to send my "info" by BigDork1001 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Forget joke IDs, send them a whole bunch AOL CDs.

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    2. Re:Can't WAIT to get the address to send my "info" by magores · · Score: 5, Funny

      Better yet... Burn the AOL CDs to a blank, and then send the copied version. :)

  16. No determination at all by burgburgburg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The RIAA has not determined that file sharing has negatively impacted their business. "Determined" implies that they have done the most minimal amount of examination of the facts. They have not. They have decided that file sharing has hurt their business. They have decided this despite the obvious evidence that the largest chunk of the decline in sales is associated with them putting out 25% less product. They've ignored all evidence that the collusion between record companies to artificially inflate the price of CDs (for which they have already had civil judgments made against them) is also a strong component. They've ignored video/computer games, cable/DVDs and the Internet have taken a great deal of the income that would have been spent previously on music. And they've ignored the basic fact that there has not been a great deal of compelling music put out in quite some time.

    Concurrently, they've also ignored the astonishing width and breadth of ill will that they've engendered with their supposed buying public. The majority of people involved with sharing still care about music. They are probably more inclined to purchase music they like then the average person (they just want to be sure it is music they actually like). And the RIAA has done everything it possibly can to build such a seething level of hatred towards them that they are probably losing an entire generation of potential customers.

    Calling them idiots would be deeply insulting to idiots.

  17. In other news by KU_Fletch · · Score: 5, Funny

    The RIAA today announced sudden gains in profit due to an undisclosed source of income. This comes on the heals of collecting names and photo id's of file traders during an amnesty period.

    In completely unrelated news, identity theft claims in the US jumped sharply. Officials are baffled as to the sudden influx.

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  18. Re:The Simpsons apply everywhere! by kgbspy · · Score: 5, Funny

    There was also the episode of The Awful Truth with Michael Moore, in which he went to a county in California (forget which...) that had a particularly bad reputation for cutting out the courts as middleman between arrest and jail. The results of which leading to almost one thousand arrests in a year, of which only one person actually stood trial due to the completely lax attitude of the public defenders (ie, you're going to go to jail anyway, you might as well plead guilty).

    So what did Mike do? Went around town getting people to pre-sign their own plea bargains, and took them all to the D.A's office, dumped them on his desk so that if any of the local citizens were ever arrested, it'd be even easier than before to get them straight into jail...


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  19. Re:At the end of the day by macdaddy357 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why is such flamebait scored 5 insightful? You can say that file trading is copyright infringement. Others will say it's fair use, but when you call it theft, or call it immoral, "them's fightin' words." Morality is subjective. Many see nothing wrong with using napster-like services, as we saw nothing wrong with trading home tapes in the '80s.

    What would be an acceptable course of action for the RIAA? Here is an exerpt from dontbuycds.org:

    To sum it all up, the recording industry needs to reform itself. Our boycott will end when they meet these demands.

    * Stop using copy protection schemes. Using them denies us our fair use and personal property rights, and accuses us all of being thieves. If we buy discs, we have the right to play them in the player we choose. If that is the CD-Rom drive of a computer, so be it. We have the right to copy them to a personal MP3 player, or make a custom CD-R of favorite songs.

    * Leave file traders alone. File trading gives artists, and the recording industry free promotion. Radio used to be a great promotion, but now rarely deviates from limited play lists which labels must pay to get onto through independent promoters. While Napster was online, CD sales were up. File trading is a legitimate way to try before buying. Music fans need it, and so does the industry.

    * Stop selling music at such an obscene mark up. The cost to press and package a disc has continually gone down. It is currently less than one dollar. We realize that there are production costs beyond manufacturing, but that doesn't justify gouging. When CDs were new, they cost twice as much as LPs and cassettes. The industry claimed that the cost to produce this new format was high, and promised that as their costs came down, so would retail prices. This price drop never occurred. Instead, retail prices have gone up. In stores where vinyl records and cassettes are still sold, they are priced lower than CDs, even though they cost more to manufacture. A movie on DVD frequently sells for less than its soundtrack on CD. The industry has colluded to fix prices, and was forced to settle a class action law suit over this practice, yet CDs in suburban malls can retail for more than twenty dollars. In many countries, CDs cost more than that. In Iceland for example, a CD can cost 2500kr, equal to 29.50 in US dollars. This is unacceptable.

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  20. RIAA Can't Give You Amnesty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, the RIAA doesn't own the copyrights. The record companies and/or the artists own the copyrights. You might just as well have the ASPCA give you amnesty for copyright violations.

    Second, (in the US, anyway) copyright violations are violations of a federal law. They can be prosecuted by the federal government - in theory even without the consent of the copyright holder.