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GameCube Outsells PlayStation 2 In Japan

Thanks to Gamesindustry.biz for their article discussing the latest Japanese console hardware sales, in which it's revealed that the GameCube marginally outsold the PlayStation 2 this week, by 35,600 units to 35,300 units, largely "thanks to the release of Namco's RPG Tales of Symphonia", whose success we mentioned a couple of days back. Unfortunately, the third major console fared less well: "The picture was a little less bright for the Xbox, which slipped behind the PSone in the rankings again - selling 650 units to the PSone's 960. In market share terms, it was only one tenth of a percentage point ahead of Bandai's SwanCrystal. Ouch."

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  1. As Nelson would say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HA-HA!

  2. Response to marketing tactics? by the+Man+in+Black · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Normally I would applaud any failure on Microsoft's part, but in this case I see it more as a Japanese backlash to and American company attempting to gain a foothold in the historically closed Japanese market. Anyone versed in the auto industries similar attempts over the years will understand where I'm coming from.

    "Buy American" is just a slogan here in the States, whereas the Japanese consumer is much more likely to support the home team, especially in something like consumer electronics. Is this a good/bad thing? Doesn't make a difference, and it's their choiice what they buy and don't buy. I'm just saying this to say that maybe we should pay more attention to sales data here in this country as an idea of how popular the Xbox is.

    1. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
      Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

      It's time to make the Console Wars into an U.S. vs. Japan conflict? Hot damn boy, I will go buy a few XBoxes right now and tell everyone I know that they should not buy a PS3! (I think the PS2 has pretty much gotten into everyone's home already.) Those Japanese don't know what's coming! I will only buy from American gaming companies! Let's see...well, EA is based out of L.A., right? Who else?

      The console wars just got a whole lot more exciting.

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    2. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Insightful???? Yes, that's right, the XBOX's failure in Japan is not because it is too expensive, not because its games are not appealing to the Japanese people, not even because there is no strong third party Japanese software. Not even because it is so HUGE that it doesn't fit in the average Japanese appartment.

      Of all this you chose a nationalistic non-explanation that bears very little relation to the reality of Japanese people. It is not market protectionism that doomed the XBOX in Japan, it is shit marketing.

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    3. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by vitaflo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Normally I would applaud any failure on Microsoft's part, but in this case I see it more as a Japanese backlash to and American company attempting to gain a foothold in the historically closed Japanese market.

      I don't think it helped that Microsoft's code name for the Xbox was "Project Midway", taking a cue from the Battle of Midway in WWII which ultimately let to the Japanese surrender (in this case, Nintendo and Sony). Pretty tasteless if you ask me.

      But hey, MS made the thing as big as a battleship, perhaps it was meant to sink.

    4. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by JFMulder · · Score: 1

      I would agree with you, but I wouldn't only blame it on the ethnocentricity of Japan. It's a fact that they don't like all the type of games that american plays. That's why you almost never see a japanese FPS. But these games are HUGE here.

      Personally, I thinkg Microsoft shouldn't worry about how their doing in Japan. What's important is how they do in the global market. Even tough they're not even close to third in Japan, what's important is that they're number two in the world. Not too bad for a company's first console.

      And I don't agree that Japanese games are that much better. Personally, the games I've been mostly look for in the recent months are american made or european made, with the exception of Splinter Cell : Pandora Tomorrow, which comes from my home-turf, Montreal, in Canada. I couldn't care less that I won't be able to play FFX-2, which sole reason to exist is to put girls in mini-skirts. Young Japanese men soooooo need to get a girlfriend.

    5. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by randomdef · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      of course! it must refer to war...stupid microsoft! it couldnt possibly be referring to the midway on a fairgrounds, you know, where you PLAY GAMES?? If they were going for tasteless why not name it "Hiroshima: this system is the BOMB" idiot troll.

    6. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by chrismcdirty · · Score: 1

      Yes. That is a possibility. But when faced with something contraversial, the offended people tend to look at the statement that offends them, as opposed to the peaceful statement.

      Or maybe they were referring to the publishing house, Midway, and their crappy load of games.

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    7. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by vitaflo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry it's not a troll, it's truth. Read the book "Opening the Xbox". It states in there plain as day that MS wanted the codename to remain secret for fear of the Japanese finding out and hurting their feelings.

      There's also an article on Salon talking about the book, and this very thing.

      I'd so some research next time before labeling people as trolls.

    8. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You bring up the backlash against American automobiles as if that's intended to SUPPORT your hypothesis surrounding consumer nationalism. If we were talking about American-grown rice, you'd be pretty much right. But rather, since we're talking about electronic luxuries, it points out its flaws.

      American car manus. back in the day did not produce cars that suited the Japanese market well. Earlier on, cars were released with LEFT-HAND DRIVE, while Japan is a RIGHT-HAND DRIVE country. American cars were unreliable, unnecesarily expensive, fuel-inefficient, and far too large to suit crowded Japanese streets and parking conditions. Would YOU buy a Japanese car if an American car suited you better, cost less, and were more reliable?

      It's easy for Americans to say, "they must have something against us," because it is against American common sense to see flaws in oneself or one's creations. After all, "America is the greatest country in the world," right? Surely we can do no wrong!

      I'll leave this for you to ponder. What is more likely, that Japanese consumers look at the box and see that it's made in the U.S.A., then just walk away? Or is it somehow possible the the oh-so-perfect Xbox doesn't suit their tastes? Maybe even the same way Americans reject games that are "too Japanese," eh?

      Clue: Western fashions, music, film, cuisine, and cars (well, European cars) are quite en vogue in Japan.

    9. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, he makes a very sound point. Japanese citizens are far more likely to buy the home brand then the imported item. In the videogame market, they have a number of companies to choose from, before even looking at the Microsoft.
      Microsoft could have had the most brilliant Japanese PR campaign ever, and a system the size of a thumbtack, and it is likely that they would have the same sucess as Ford has had in Japan.
      The auto industry is an excellent comparison. And there are decades of data you can look at if you don't believe it.

    10. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All Hail The Man In Black!!!111

    11. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by unclethursday · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Personally, I thinkg Microsoft shouldn't worry about how their doing in Japan. What's important is how they do in the global market. Even tough they're not even close to third in Japan, what's important is that they're number two in the world. Not too bad for a company's first console.

      The actual numbers don't back you up here. The GameCube is ahead, worldwide, but not by a whole hell of a lot.

      Microsoft has a little over 1.2 million lead in America, a few hundred thousand unit lead in Europe, and over 500k lead in Australia....so we'll say 2 million unit lead over the GameCube everywhere but Japan.

      The Cube has over a 2.5 million unit lead over the Xbox in Japan.

      That puts the Cube around maybe 500k units ahead, worldwide. Like I said, it's not much, but the Xbox isn't in second place right now.

      Thursdae

    12. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa! steady on the FFX-2 abuse!

      FFX by my understanding was massively attractive (here in Europe, anyway) to female gamers as much as males... I'll be getting it at the insistence of my fiancee. Anyway, the new character looks like early 80s Madonna, so there's some cross-cultural something-or-other...

      Japanese PS2 games seem to have an insane variety - ever seen Fantavision? Bad Magistrate? while occidental games are heavily genre-based - FPSs, RTSs, RPGs, and the other TLAs. Japanese gamers aren't as focussed on particular styles of games. The Xbox is, so the smaller stylistic range hurts sales.

    13. Re:Response to marketing tactics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Small problem in your pet theory. The Japanese are gaga over American (and other forign countrys) goods.

  3. Stop the Bleeding!!! by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 5, Insightful
    650 compared to 35,000??? Those are not good numbers. My first reaction to seeing that was to wonder why Microsoft wasn't pulling out of the Japanese market. But I suppose that the Microsoft thinking is that you've got to get the name associated with console hardware so that XBox2 has a better shot. Of course, I think that could really backfire on them. It seems that once you have a console that doesn't do well, you've got a stigma attached. Look at Atari, they reigned supreme but then fell off the face of the planet with the 5600 and that stigma stuck with them as can be seen by the Jaguar. I don't think many consumers took the Jaguar seriously. Likewise with Sega - their SegaCD and 32X hurt sales of the Saturn and subsequent sales of the Dreamcast. Obviously there were more issues involved in these instances but it seems like once a company is seen as a hardware loser, it is very hard to get back in the game on the next go-round. So what can Microsoft do to sell the XBox2 in Japan? Anything?

    It's a tough question. Of course, maybe someone at Microsoft will see this post and say, "Uh oh, this Acidic_Diarrhea guy on Slashdot thinks we're in trouble in Japan! I better call Bill."

    Or maybe not...

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    1. Re:Stop the Bleeding!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Look at Atari, they reigned supreme but then fell off the face of the planet with the 5600..."

      Doncha mean the Atari *5200*?

    2. Re:Stop the Bleeding!!! by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1

      See how poorly it sold! I don't even remember the number! Thanks for the correction.

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    3. Re:Stop the Bleeding!!! by Saige · · Score: 1

      Look at Atari, they reigned supreme but then fell off the face of the planet with the 5600 and that stigma stuck with them as can be seen by the Jaguar.

      Ummm... there was no Atari 5600.

      There was the VCS, known as the 2600 later on. Then the 5200, and the 7800. Along with the 400, 800, and 1200 home computers. There was also a post 7800 system that came out after the NES, but didn't seem to do much - I do remember seeing commercials advertising that system, comparing the NES robot to the included light gun with the Atari system, and that it expanded into a computer or something like that.

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    4. Re:Stop the Bleeding!!! by antin · · Score: 1

      From my very limited understanding it appears that Japan are really really big on RPGs. Look at what this most recent RPG has done for Nintendo, why couldn't it do the same for the Xbox?

      The Xbox is currently pretty short on RPGs - sure there is KOTOR but that is pretty American, and less likely to appeal to the Japanese. Microsoft should either get a first party to develop an RPG aimed solely at the Japanese market, or better yet, purchase an established developer that already has a big name in RPGs.

      Square and Enix recently merged - I wonder if MS had a chance at purchasing Enix? They spent $300 million (or similar) on Rare, I would think that spending much less, would buy a much more important company, at least from the Japanese perspective.

    5. Re:Stop the Bleeding!!! by MaverickUW · · Score: 1

      You're right, the XBox2 should do much better in Japan, now that they'll be entrenched... especially if they can get more Japanese developers behind them. Now as long as Microsoft doesn't repeat mistakes of the past and codename XBox2 Project Hiroshima, they should be fine.

    6. Re:Stop the Bleeding!!! by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 1

      Misnamed Atari 5600's aside, the Jaguar failed because it had shitty software. Doom was the only one worth playing.

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    7. Re:Stop the Bleeding!!! by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Hi Saige... surprised this discussion hasn't been archived yet, but I know this one anyway.

      The system was the "XE games system"; basically, a 65XE computer without a keyboard (the 65XE was a 400/800-compatible machine with 64KB).
      Of course, the 5200 was based on a slightly improved 400/800 design, but I guess they weren't 100% compatible (??!).
      I remember reading that circa early '87 they were going to sell the 7800 in the UK, but the UK operation wanted something that utilised the existing 800/XL/XE base. Or something. They sold the 7800 in the UK later anyway.

      Looking back, it seems that from Atari's crash in 1983 to their final extinction (well, Atari Corp's) circa the mid-90s they didn't know what the heck they were doing and as a result did many different things, none of them properly.

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    8. Re:Stop the Bleeding!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey fucktard, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=77358&cid=6879 760 -1 redundant loser

  4. Not only Tales of Symphonia... by GrosTuba · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another great RPG was released very recently, which quite boosted Nintendo's both living-room and handheld consoles sales : Final Fantasy : Crystal Chronicles

    In fact, in the charts I read, the GBA SP was first, followed by the Cube, and then by the PS2, and I just thought FF:CC might be more than a bit responsible for this...

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    1. Re:Not only Tales of Symphonia... by PainKilleR-CE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that the GBA:SP often does outsell the PS2, and when it doesn't, it's not by much.

      I think the bigger picture is that there aren't many games that are going to be able to cause a significant spike in PS2 sales any more, since so many people already have PS2s. On the other hand, a single (or in this case a couple of) good game can spike the sales on the GameCube, or even the XBox.

      I'd expect to see a spike in the US sales of GBA-SPs next week, as we see the black and red consoles coming out, as well as FF:Tactics Advance. I plan on buying a black GBA-SP and the game myself at the end of next week, assuming I can find either one at that point.

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  5. Also the GameCube player by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Not mentioned in the article, but also significant for these numbers, was that this is the second week where the GameCube player is being included for free with all new GameCubes sold in Japan.

    A similar bundle has been available in the US for a couple months now, but they held off on introducing this in Japan, presumably because they didn't have as much inventory to liquidate.

    GameCube production has been stopped a while as warehouses were already full of the units. Rumor on the game boards is that if the volume keeps up at these levels, production will start up again before Christmas, and we'll see a few new GameCube colors AND TEXTURES! I don't know if it's speculation or more, but the models are rumored to include a black case with glow-in-the-dark green details and a limited edition brushed aluminum model, either tied to some contest or sold at a premium price.

    1. Re:Also the GameCube player by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 1, Interesting
      My bad, I'm a bit of a mormon. s/GameBoy player/GameCube player/ -- the attachment which goes underneath the GameCube and accepts GameBoy cartridges.

      Incidentally, the GameBoy backup carts work just fine with these. You can probably fit 8 of your favorite GameBoy titles on a Flash2Advance 256 and justify the GameCube/GameBoy Player purchase there alone. If you loved old 2D cart games and would love a break from gratuitous 3D usage, then you know you want to.

    2. Re:Also the GameCube player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know I love playing all of my old school (8-bit) NES games on a GBA cart in my Gamecube on my TV :)

      Of course I own all of the ROMs that I play and I now have the system in a permanent storage now that I don't need it to play games on my television.

    3. Re:Also the GameCube player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can probably fit 8 of your favorite GameBoy titles on a Flash2Advance 256 and justify the GameCube/GameBoy Player purchase there alone

      Buy your video games, goddamn it. Unlike CDs, the good games are worth every penny. Unless you're putting 8 Mary Kate & Ashley games on there, that's ok. But seriously, if you want to play Super Mario Advance 4, buy the fucking game.

    4. Re:Also the GameCube player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bad, I'm a bit of a mormon. s/GameBoy player/GameCube player/ -- the attachment which goes underneath the GameCube and accepts GameBoy cartridges.

      Incidentally, the GameBoy backup carts work just fine with these. You can probably fit 8 of your favorite GameBoy titles on a Flash2Advance 256 and justify the GameCube/GameBoy Player purchase there alone.


      You're a mormon, but you advocate software piracy?

    5. Re:Also the GameCube player by Mr.+Darl+McBride · · Score: 1
      You're a mormon, but you advocate software piracy?

      Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Where did I say anything other than "backup device?" If I advocated piracy, I wouldn't be on IBM's case right now, would I.

      I'm a mormon, yes. But I only advocate barrotry.

  6. Actually the Wonderswan outsold the Xbox.. by stovey · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to this list:
    Nintendojo

    The combined sales of the two wonderswans is 700, where the Xbox is 650. The crystal and color wonderswan is the same except the crystal has better battery life and a nicer screen.

    1. Re:Actually the Wonderswan outsold the Xbox.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not true.

      The SwanCrystal is an upgraded device compared to the WSC. Games can be backward compatible, but there are technical improvements in graphics and other aspects of the system.

      Not GBA over GBC kind of improvements, but certainly more than just GBASP over GBA improvements.

  7. PSOne??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's more surprising than the small number of XBox's being sold is the relatively large number of PSOnes being sold. 960...in one WEEK. Christsakes...you can get these things off eBay for $5!

  8. The numbers don't mean much by lightspawn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If we were talking about overall sales, that would have been remarkable. But let's face it: Most of the people who want a PS2 already have one. I bet a large number of PS2s sold now actually replace worn-out (played-out?) units.

    In contrast, since the Gamecube is much less popular overall, there are many more potential new owners. RPG fans, for example, who must have every major new title, or fans of the "Tales of" series. They might have never seen the "need" to own a cube before.

    It's completely possible that the nokia n-gage will outsell the GBA - for the first week or two. It still won't mean the GBA is dethroned.

    I'll probably pick up the new 'tales of' title once it arrives here. I loved the way the last title I played in the series (Tales of Eternia) let you save almost AT ANY POINT (unless you're in the middle of a fight or a puzzle). It worked great because when you restored the game, you'd continue at the last save point, but you never had to keep playing until the next save point even when you needed to stop playing, under penalty of losing all of your progress (levels+items+puzzles etc).

    Slightly off-topic stupidity:
    Tales of Destiny was published in the U.S.
    Then Tales of Eternia was published in the U.S. as "Tales of Destiny 2" to capitalize on name recognition.
    Now a sequel to Tales of Destiny, called "Tales of Destiny 2" is available in Japan. Is this title going to make it stateside? What will it be called?

    1. Re:The numbers don't mean much by eht · · Score: 1

      Because we all know how consumer electronics like gaming consoles "wear out"

      Except for the old nintendo entertainment system with it's funky tilting connector, consoles don't "wear out"

      uh oh, my toaster is about to "wear out" and so is my microwave

    2. Re:The numbers don't mean much by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 1
      Actually, consoles do wear out. When you consider that there are quite a few moving parts (DVD drive spindle & eject motors are the big ones, but fans can fail as well), and the system may well be placed where it can't get enough cooling, there's plenty to wear out (not to mention the fact that the electronics can degrade on their own).

      If you factor in Sony's infamous customer support, it becomes cheaper and easier to just buy a new Playstation 2 rather than send it in, wait 3 months, and find out it's been lost in a Cambodian rice field.

      While your appliances may not fail, a significant number of toasters and microwaves do so every day; this means a statistically significant number of people will be buying replacement units. The concept is the same for the PS2: while it's fairly reliable, the massive installed base means that many fail every day and must be replaced.

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    3. Re:The numbers don't mean much by GTRacer · · Score: 1
      Are you on crack?

      For the most part, electronics with no moving parts don't wear out, but a PS2, a microwave, and your toaster have non-solid-state parts that wear out.

      CD drive motors eventually burn out, magnetrons burn out, heating elements burn out...

      I've been lucky in that the PlayStation drive failure I had was on a 4-year-old deck with tons of play. My PS2 (notorious for drive and laser failures) has worked great for almost 3 years now, but I'm sure I'm eventually going to have to replace it. When GT4 comes out, and the PS2 is on 24/7...

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  9. Re:Ok, that does it! by Axis+of+Weasel · · Score: 0, Troll

    Canada??!@?!@!!!

    HA-HA

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  10. New Need... by wanderers_id · · Score: 0

    I really see your point on the "new" need of consoles. I bought my first PS for FF7, now I'm planning to buy a GC and GBA:SP for the square enix goodness to be released. If not for those new games, I'd have no need to spend that $300 on nintendo equipment.

    It's all about the console's killer app.

  11. Im happy about this, but... by AzraelKans · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately this means little to nothing outside japan, this is good news for GC owners though because it means they will probably be more japanese support for the console. but chances for this to revive the gamecube worldwide are minimal.

    Is impressive though..

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    1. Re:Im happy about this, but... by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Unfortunately this means little to nothing outside japan, this is good news for GC owners though because it means they will probably be more japanese support for the console. but chances for this to revive the gamecube worldwide are minimal.

      It's a bit early to say it will mean nothing for the GameCube worldwide since Japan is the only place where Tales of Symphonia and Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles has been released so far. I don't expect the GameCube to see the same meteoric rise in the US when the games get here, but it might be enough to edge it past the XBox.

      And as a secondary benefit of course more japanese support for the console means more games that can be ported to other countries to help it sell better worldwide.

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  12. Dethroned? by Auburn_Jack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think the numbers suggest that Sony is being dethroned, in Japan or anywhere else.

    What I think it does suggest is that the American gamers who seem bent on proclaiming the death of the GameCube seem to think that America is the only place where games are played.

    Sure, the N-Gage might outsell the GBA in their first week of release, but this isn't the GameCube's first week of release. It's rising sales are being pushed by a game with high fan interest, just like they thought was going to happen back when Wind Waker was released. Contrary to the belief of the anti-Nintendo crowd, that's a perfectly valid way of demonstrating continuing fan support for a console. Especially a year or two into its release, when hardware specs and whether it looks "modern" or not doesn't matter anymore.

    In fact, though it may not be the reality of the industry, I'd venture to say that a console that sells for the sake of a game that a gamer *really* wants to play has more value than a console that is bought for the sake of owning the console. That's just my opinion, though.

    1. Re:Dethroned? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, the N-Gage might outsell the GBA in their first week of release,

      Oh, I SO doubt that'll happen. Even on launch. I know plenty of early adopters who STILL won't spend $300 on a crappy phone. In fact just about everybody that has expressed ANY interest in getting an N-Gage, even as console collectors, have told me they'll wait the 6-9 months it'll take Nokia to drop the price down to $50-75.

      This has 'Clearance Rack' written all over it.

  13. Hardware sales tied so closely to Software Sales? by Goyuix · · Score: 1

    So why is it in every single one of these articles, they have to attribute high sales to some new-fangled game that was released, or poor sales due to no new (or interesting) games being released....

    I mean, from a strictly mathematical / statistical point of view - and taken to the extreme - this would indicate that most consoles are purchased with only one game ever being bought (which we know not to be the case).

    Now granted, this is just a rant but I get tired of reading that one console sold better *simply* because of a certain title being released for it. In fact, couldn't we extend this to PC sales as well, or at least video card sales? They are planning on bundling half-life 2 with the fancy pants new Radeon 9800 to be released....

    Which of course further skews the numbers...

    Admittedly, I purchased a gamecube looking at what titles were available at the time, what had been announced (Zelda, Metroid, etc.), and planned (Mario Kart?). So yes, in that way software did drive this purchasing decision --- but I also planned on, and in fact have purchased numerous titles.

    Wouldn't it be nice to link in software sales as well?

  14. Fence Sitting by Auburn_Jack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody would ever purchase a console with the intent of playing only one game, with the possible exception of old bargain bin consoles like the N64 or the Dreamcast. Following the logic to that end is pretty ridiculous. But for those who were kind of interested in a console's lineup of games, but not yet willing to buy it, the killer app is the catalyst. I'd think that if a game came out that a gamer had to have and was willing to buy the hardware for it, s/he would rationalize it by saying to themself, "well, I can also get game X and game Y for it, too, eventually." That's precisely what happened when I bought my GameCube, and my PS2, as well. That's most likely what nearly every non-hardcore gamer does.

  15. read your SEGA history book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Likewise with Sega - their SegaCD and 32X hurt sales of the Saturn and subsequent sales of the Dreamcast.

    The SegaCD sold over 500,000 copies in the US alone, making it the most successful console add-on in history. In fact, it convinced SEGA that the future of consoles was 'upgrading,' the same as PCs. We know how well that turned out...

    Also, the Saturn was an unqualified success in Japan, although dwarfed by the Playstation, which simply exploded the size of the video game market.

    The Dreamcast did well in the US and Europe too...and once they dropped the price to $50 in Japan, it sold out. They actually started remanufacturing Dreamcasts in Japan due to demand.

  16. Re:Hardware sales tied so closely to Software Sale by Derkec · · Score: 1

    It's tied because when there is a large jump between this week's numbers and the numbers for the last several months, we are forced to ask "what changed?" One option is that pure randomness took hold. While possible, that is less than likely due to the very large number of people buying consoles tens or hundreds of thousands weekly. Next on the causality list might be that something made gamecube more desirable this week than it was last week. It is in the same colors and at the same price as last week so we can probably rule out the hardware (someone did mention the gameboy linker being included though). That just leaves software. If there is a highly anticipated game coming out, and there is a chance people who were considering buying the console would become convinced by that game, it makes sense to credit that game(s) with the higher sales of hardware.

  17. I call bullshit. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    "Nobody would ever purchase a console with the intent of playing only one game"

    No, but there are plenty of people who buy a console because of one game. In fact, almost every person who owns a console buys it because of one, solitary game.

    Different consoles have different games. For me for the Xbox, it was Jet Set Radio Future. Unless you're a collector or a casual user, you will buy a console because one game will make your decision.

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    1. Re:I call bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how this applies in Japan, but the PS2 was a game-and-DVD machine - the built-in hardware was what persuaded me in to console-owning. The range of games helped, and I wouldn't have bought the Xbox on grounds of prejudice, but the PS2 is an all-round entertainment device, not just a console.

      Now two years ago, that made a big difference. These days, I guess PS2 sales aren't pushed by the DVD thing as much. In that case, we're just going off "software".

      (I'd still say that the range / style is more of a puller than one game. PS has a different style to GC)