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Gnome 2.4 Release (d)
chendo writes "Gnome 2.4 will be released today. Here is the link to the article on Ars Technica. GNOME 2.4 is the result of quite a bit of work toward complying with the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines (HIG), which mainly focus on user interface consistency and predictability. This release has also undergone some general polish, and it can finally be said that the GNOME 2 platform has achieved maturity with this release. The Epiphany web browser, a major new component of GNOME, also makes its debut with this release. (From Footnotes)"
1) Main menu doesn't respond to alphabet keybindings ala IceWM, KDE and Windows 95!
:)
2) Taskbar doesn't reflect order that programs were started in. It inserts new buttons at random positions.
GNOME rules, but these two things (among the Metacity wireframe and animation niggles) are real problems. For all the UI work, it's a shame they can't get such elementary stuff right.
Still, I'll be downloading it tonight
When is _is_ out, you'll have all sorts of release notes and screenshots to look at. Slashdot is announcing non-existant releases again :)
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From the (f*******) article:
Gnome 2.4 ships with GOK, an award-winning dynamic onscreen keyboard. It supports Direct Selection, Dwell Selection, Automatic Scanning and Inverse Scanning, and includes word completion. A detailed overview can be found on the GOK website.
Gnopernicus, the second accessibility application to ship with GNOME, provides a number of assistive technologies for people suffering from visual impairment. Most notably, it includes a screen reader, a screen magnifier and a Braille writer.
One of the big concessions that I've heard about Windows is that it has a lot of accessibility features that weren't present in other previous GUIs.
That's actually not true. The X-Windowing-System has come with xmag virtually for ever. High contrast themes are not hard to create. You can make icons and fonts whatever size you want. We've even got sticky keys. The only thing X is missing as far as accessibility is keyboard control of the mouse cursor. Then again, you can always run ratpoison and be rid of the rodent forever.
You've been lied to my friend.
You know, this logo is the really old one. Any chance of slashdot changing it?
It's an integration thing... Firebird/Mozilla/whatever else has it's own way of doing windowing, unlike Epiphany, which is GTK2 based, and integrated with the Gnome config options.
I'm kinda surprised that Slashdot haven't updated the GNOME category logo, considering that it's been 18 months and three major releases since the logo change. :-)
Try Shift-Numlock, it worked for me for ages
Must...not...respond....to....troll...but can't help it
I lurk on the kde dev mailing lists and the number of changes upcoming in 3.2 is pretty impressive: A lot of new PIM features, the Safari changes to KHTML, speed improvements. KDE is at the stage where new releases are really adding polish rather than making major changes, but there are still a lot of good new things going in.
The Gnome-panel bug is a new one for me; filing a bug report would likely be very appreciated by the devels.
Sawfish: Just run it. There are some people hacking on it, I believe, so it should be maintained. And tell the sawfish devels if there is something you miss.
The terminal: They are all the same application with multiple windows; cuts down on resource use. Of course, if it dies, so do they all - that's the downside. You can, however, start a new terminal, explicitly stating that it should not be another instance in an existing gnome-terminal application:
gnome-terminal --disable-factory
That will give you an independent terminal instance that will not be affected. Of course, you pay by a bit higher total resource use, but that is probably worth it for you.
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
It's true, I've done this by mistake many times. You hear a beep when it is turned on and off. It took me a while to figure out what it does, but it lets you control the mouse cursor with the keyboard. I forget which buttons simulate clicks though. Either Ins, Del, Enter, + or -.
better yet,
su
emerge sync
emerge world/gnome
And you get gnome, all nicely compiled for your system, not a fucking 386 from nineteendicketytwo.
Although I love Gentoo (I got my 1.4 CDs yesterday!!), You are so wrong about MDK. MDK is compiled for pentiums and up. You're thinking of Red Hat. It's compiled for a 386.
Please think before you post.
P.S.
Yes, I'm aware there's a 486 release of MDK (or at least used to be, anyway), but the "default" MDK distro is compiled for the 586.
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
I had some bad experiences with 2.3.5, which caused me to just go and reformat and reinstall again (had too much junk on drives too).
/.! w00t!
One major problem I noticed was that Sawfish wasn't working properly with the pager. Every time I tried to change workspaces, the windows go flying all over the place. And with metacity, I can't seem to position my shaded XMMS window above the empty space in the top panel.
And does anyone know if somebody's doing/done the ebuild for 2.4?
And on another note: My first article on
Founder of Mirror Moon - Tsukihime Game Trans
Both Galeon and Epiphany use Gecko, the Mozilla rendering engine. It's unlikely that they are much older than Mozilla itself.
Programming can be fun again. Film at 11.
5 is a button click and and you change what button it is by clicking / for left, * for both, and - for right. + is a double-click. 0 is button hold, . is release.
-N
I've nothing to say here...
Firstly, Gnome is not an X Window Manager.
Secondly, only two 'desktops' have their own 'integrated' browser; Gnome (Epiphany) and KDE (Konqueror).
The purpose of the integrated web browser is to provide a default for users, and to provide extra functionality through tight integration with the desktop. Think Internet Explorer in Windows.
- Imagine if you installed your new Gnome and tried to browse the web, only to find no browser available
- Epiphany views can be embedded in Nautilus
- Epiphany strictly follows the HIG and other Gnome2 standards (GConf etc)
In a decent desktop, every basic task should be accomplishable through a default suite of applications; playing media, writing documents, browsing the web, checking your email. And each of these components should be substitutable so those requiring extra functionality (or with a simple preference) can drop-in their preferred application. This is part the Utopia the Gnome project is working towards.
Free Gamer - Free games list and commentary
Exit KDE
....
....
edit ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
change:
[Desktops]
Number=4
into
[Desktops]
Number=32
restart KDE, voila.
Actually, Mandrake is compiled for i686 but only using the i586 instruction set, while Red Hat is compiled for i686 utilising the i486 instruction set for compatibility. Why it's still called 'i386' is anyone's guess.
Michel
Fedora Project Contribut
dropline will supply users with 2.4 soon!!
Maybe this one of the areas where free software really has a hard time catching up: small market, highly sophisticated software, small "coolness" factor, and very smooth desktop-integration a requirement...
If the mirrors are updated it should be as simple as issuing
urpmi gnome
from a root shell. Update your sources with http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/
As much as I like gentoo, it doesn't release packages immideatelly after they are released.
/etc/make.conf
nano -w
Advanced Masking
# ================
#
# Gentoo is using a new masking system to allow for easier stability testing
# on packages. KEYWORDS are used in ebuilds to mask and unmask packages based
# on the platform they are set for. A special form has been added that
# indicates packages and revisions that are expected to work, but have not yet
# been approved for the stable set. '~arch' is a superset of 'arch' which
# includes the unstable, in testing, packages. Users of the 'x86' architecture
# would add '~x86' to ACCEPT_KEYWORDS to enable unstable/testing packages.
# '~ppc', '~sparc', '~sparc64' are the unstable KEYWORDS for their respective
# platforms. DO NOT PUT ANYTHING BUT YOUR SPECIFIC ~ARCHITECTURE IN THE LIST.
# IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF YOUR ARCH, OR THE IMPLICATIONS, DO NOT MODIFY THIS.
#
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86"
You'll get stuff a LOT faster. I've been using that "unstable branch" (if you will) for a year and a half or so with zero show-stopper problems on 5 or so machines. OK, OK, there's a bad realease from some developer from time to time, but Portage will down-grade it next emerge -u world if there's something really bonked with a package or ebuild.
I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man,
I'm just a mortal with potential of a super man.
go to Breakmygentoo.net
You get ebuilds on the bleeding edge. I'm running the latest gnome as of yesterday thanks to the wonderful efforts of Matt and Lovechild and the rest of the BMG team.
Download BMG ebuild
emerge ebuild
enjoy latest bleeding edge
This person left GNOME. Read his reasons! How comes more and more people leave the sinking ship?
Your message shows how very badly informed you are about the reasons why new browsers get developed, and Epiphany in particular. Moreover, your highly-flammable words takes away any bit of credibility and respect I would have given to your post. The reasons why this has been mod'ed up as Insightful are beyond me.
Any way, long story short: Epiphany's raison d'etre could be resumed as follows:
> Most imortantly it doesn't have a javascript console, if a javascript error occurs you have no idea what, where or when it went wrong, it just doesn't work.
It's there in CVS..
> And secondly, while close it doesn't support a few important CSS things, like overflow:scroll for one.
I beleive this was implemented a few weeks ago with one of the safari merges.
I have a Athlon XP with 1Gig of Ram, and how much if free? 0. Why? Because linux is designed to use all its RAM for file caching and buffering. Free ram is a waste of resources. The best indicator you can get on Linux is to use the free command and look at the numbers that filter out buffering and caching.
What are you talking about? I don't have a single GTK 1 application on my desktop...
All the core Gnome applications have GTK2 ports that are now released or very near release. Firebird, Epiphany, Galeon, X-Chat, Abiword, Gnumeric, Eclipse, GStreamer, Gimp 1.3... We even have Nautilus CD burner now so don't need to use Toaster.
What more do you want? I don't use a single GTK 1 or QT app at the moment.
Why did they remove the option to change mouse
focus policy in Gnome?
I've been using Sun's since the late '80s and Linux
from the late '90's and the focus policy has always been focus follows mouse.
Click to focus is totally unusable if you are used to focus follows mouse.
uh, gnome-terminal already has tabbed support, has for a while. shift+ctrl+t for a new tab. ctrl+pgup/pgdown to cycle. Or right-click in a terminal window and select New Tab. It's in the file menu too, if you leave the menubar enabled.
Short of recompiling evolution to use .evolution for its datastore, I have to live with it.
That is ridiculous. And I see it all the time in Linux apps. Things that should be simple configuration options, mere checkboxes, are instead compile-time parameters! So much for usability when you have to recompile the entire program every time you need to change a simple option like a filename...
"Sufferin' succotash."
For the [obviously] non-technical person who wrote this comment .... it's still called 'i386' because that is the platform name. It really should be called 'ix86' as, yes, the 386 went the way of the dodo bird a long time ago, but most people know what they're talking about when an i386 is mentioned -- an Intel 32-bit x86 architecture chip. Even [gasp] Windows users know this -- have you recently looked at a Win NT/2000/XP/2003 setup CD-R ... there are two folders to note in the root of the CD: "ia64" and "i386". These hold the setup files for the 64-bit Intel architecture chip and the 32-bit Intel architecture chip, respectively. Just because you think it strange to use the old platform id doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to the rest of the computer world.
Don't forget to add Breakmygentoo. They've got lots of great ebuilds and i've been using the gnome 2.4 beta ebuilds all the way through. They're very quick at releasing them too.
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Go canucks, habs, and sens!
gVim. The latest version (6.2) has gtk2 support, so it matches your gnome2 theme. Take a look at the huge repository of scripts on vim.org, while you're there. They have tree-view code browsers which make gvim much more useful for code editing. I currently use a LaTeX plugin, which contains a number of shortcuts for editing LaTeX files, and vimspell, which pipes text through aspell and red underlines errors as I type. I haven't needed to use a wordprocessor since I installed those two.
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GNOME doesn't have its own file selection dialog box for file open and file save. Instead, it just uses the standard one in GTK. GTK is developing a new release, GTK 2.4, and that will have a much improved file selection dialog box.
I don't think it makes sense for two big projects (GNOME and GTK) to try to release updates in lockstep. GNOME is ready to release now, and GTK isn't, so that's that.
Also, I'm glad that GNOME doesn't paste a layer over GTK for things like the file selection dialog box. Re-implementing basic features of GTK would just lead to bloat.
If you only get updates all at once, you might have to wait for GNOME 2.6 to get the improved file selection dialog box, but those of us who run Debian unstable or some other incrementally-updated distro will get the new dialog when GTK 2.4 is released.
Meanwhile, Debian unstable already has an improved file selection dialog box, but it isn't the same one that will ship with GTK 2.4. It's a bit nicer than the default GNOME one but I'm still waiting for the new one in GTK 2.4.
steveha
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely