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Victor G. Sommers writes "Daniel Soong, who lost his programming job to Indian offshore companies, is willing to relocate to India. 'It would be really interesting to work in Bangalore,' he says. 'But I was told, "Daniel, it is against the law for you to work here. You can come here on vacation, but you can't work here."' Indian officials have told him they don't hire Americans." An article in ComputerWorld talks about the possibility of getting more than you bargained for in outsourced code.

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  1. Re:Outsource or Insource? by multiplexo · · Score: 1, Funny

    Could this be slightly more buzzword compliant?

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  2. Answer: Telecommute for India From the US. by abstrakts · · Score: 0, Funny

    hey :)

  3. What about convenience stores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should let Americans work at Indian conveinence stores!

    That way, no matter where it is in the world, it'll be fucking impossible to get a big gulp and a chilli dog.

  4. Re:Duh... by (startx) · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are two types of people I hate in this world. Those who are intolerent of other people's culture, and the Dutch!

  5. OK, no programming job in India. by Tool+Man · · Score: 2, Funny

    But what about the taxis?

  6. TPS Report? by mkldev · · Score: 5, Funny
    Something I found amusing from the article:

    However, the SEI is introducing Team Process Software (TPS), which brings traceability of specific code modules to individual programmers, said Humphrey, a former IBM software engineering executive. Indian software companies and a few U.S. developers, notably Microsoft Corp., are aggressively implementing TPS.

    To which my immediate reply was, "Did you remember to include the right cover on your TPS report?" :-)

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  7. TPS Reports are Here! RUN AWAY! by computersareevil · · Score: 2, Funny

    "However, the SEI is introducing Team Process Software (TPS), which brings traceability of specific code modules to individual programmers, said Humphrey, a former IBM software engineering executive. Indian software companies and a few U.S. developers, notably Microsoft Corp., are aggressively implementing TPS."

    Does life imitate are or what?! I never thought I'd actually see TPS reports, but now I expect my next boss will be named Lumberg...

    wurst sig evr.

  8. TPS Reports by ImACucumber · · Score: 2, Funny

    However, the SEI is introducing Team Process Software (TPS), which brings traceability of specific code modules to individual programmers, said Humphrey, a former IBM software engineering executive. Indian software companies and a few U.S. developers, notably Microsoft Corp., are aggressively implementing TPS.

    The guys at Microsoft better make sure they put a cover on those TPS reports!

  9. Re:citizenship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The fact that they need to import money ...

    Man, I would love to import money into my home... unfortunately that usually involves exporting goods or services. Damn.

  10. Re:Duh...(a job for you) by gosand · · Score: 4, Funny
    Well, duh... As a dutchman it's also not possible for me to relocate to the USA. Unless I prove that there's no way my skills can be found in the States.

    If you know how to spell, use proper English, and can recognize that two stories are duplicates, you could probably be the editor of some tech news blog.

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  11. Why work in Banaglore? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 4, Funny

    Look how bad the working conditions are there!

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  12. Re:Duh... by El · · Score: 3, Funny

    Have you tried marrying an American? It worked for my wife...

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  13. Re:Duh... by dipipanone · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I'm a British tourist
    And I'm very very rude.
    I hate the foreigners
    I hate their stinking food.

    I don't like French or Germans
    Or care for Belgians much
    But most of all, most of all
    I hate the Dutch!

    The Dutch, the Dutch
    With fingers in their dikes
    They use the wrong side of the road
    And ride around on bikes.

    They don't have any manners
    They don't say "thanks" or "please"
    And all they eat is tulips
    And stinking gouda cheese."

    British Tourist,
    John Dowie

  14. Re:Duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Did you order her from a web site?

  15. Re:How do you afford your right wing lifestyle? by zero+time+ghost · · Score: 2, Funny

    I look forward to the day when economists are offshored. We'll see how the free market ideologues hold up, then.

  16. Re:hidden malware story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    However, the SEI is introducing Team Process Software (TPS), which brings traceability of specific code modules to individual programmers, said Humphrey, a former IBM software engineering executive. Indian software companies and a few U.S. developers, notably Microsoft Corp., are aggressively implementing TPS.

    "Did you get the memo about the new cover sheets on the TPS reports?"

  17. Re:an ironic twist by sys$manager · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mmmmm, sacred...

  18. Not slashdot! by jbottero · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you know how to spell, use proper English, and can recognize that two stories are duplicates, you could probably be the editor of some tech news blog.

    Which blog would that be? Not Slashdot, we know that!

  19. Re:Of course he can't work there... by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 2, Funny

    The laws are probably similar to the US:
    You can't immigrate to work unless you can prove that you can do a job that no one else in the country can do.


    I dunno, I see a lot of Indians here in the US doing jobs that I could be doing. Must not be too hard for them to immigrate here.

    Basically here's the phone conversation between the US Dept. of Immigration and the HR person for the company trying to hire an Indian worker:

    Immigration Officer (IO): "So there's nobody else in the US who can do C++ programming and who can fill your position?"
    HR Person: "Yeah, that's right."
    IO: "OK, you can hire Asok."

    It seems that in India they don't let people from the US (or other countries) come in to work at all - that's much different from how it works in the US.

  20. How about quickie mart store clerk? by ShizzleWizzle · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cab driver?

  21. Re:Duh... by micromoog · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...too bad it is at 70% of my current salary thanks to the H1-B's.

    Are you sure it's not because you're an incompetent hack?

  22. Re:Duh... by rmohr02 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Semi-related quote: "There are two things I hate in this world: racial profiling, and Arabs on my plane."

  23. Re:Duh... by micromoog · · Score: 2, Funny
    The programmers I interacted with were the biggest bunch of no-nothing losers I've ever met.

    Did they "no" how to spell "know"?

  24. Generation of Reduced Expectations by Greyfox · · Score: 1, Funny
    We expect too much here in the IT Industry and here in the USA, I think. A lot of people have to work jobs that they hate for a lot less money than is common in the IT Industry. We seem to feel we're entitled to the huge salaries and benefits just because we can bend computers to our will. Turns out people living in abject poverty halfway around the world can do that too. Hell, even the people here in the USA who work jobs that suck and make less than half the average IT Worker's salary have high expectations -- that they can eat meat on a regular basis (The US has 1/15th the world's population and consumes 1/3rd the world's meat) and that everyone should own a car. Stuff like that. Turns out people living in abject poverty halfway around the world might be willing to do without the car and may or may not go for the meat on a regular basis as long as they can at least eat on a regular basis.

    We need to live with a reduced set of expectations if we're going to open up our trade to the world. Corporations will naturally migrate to the lowest cost areas, all else being equal. The suffering is spread across the board -- imagine how the poor CEO who has to pay upkeep on his "expensive wife" must feel having to make do with only $25 Million or so in severance bonusses. Or who has to make do with only one house larger than most city blocks. Imagine the poor politician who has to make do with only $25,000 in campaign contributions from any given company! Who are we, then, to complain if we can't find a job and end up having to move back in with our parents? You don't see them complaining about having to have 27 people living in a one room apartemnt in other countries, so why should we be any different? It's pure arrogance, I tell you!

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  25. Re:Of course he can't work there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    He should've shot his replacement instead... :)

  26. Re:Duh... by gmezero · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ok, so basically, the only future here then is to be a CEO who can run a U.S. company with foreign workers paying them pennies a day, selling their work for dollars (or Euros!)... or pay some "18" year old $50 to prostitute herself on film since she can't find a job flipping burgers... and I make my money charging what $19 bucks a month for people all over the world who do have money to look at those pictures. ...Now I'm wondering... what happenes when all of everyone in the U.S. is running their own porn site?

  27. Re:Duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I for one, welcome our new Indian overlords....

  28. Re:Duh... by (startx) · · Score: 2, Funny

    Rich people that are dumb, don't remain rich for long.

    hello?