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Microsoft Money Leads To Street-Legal Porsche 959s

Ken Greenebaum writes "Soon there will be a 'new' Porsche 959 racing down highway 520 in Redmond. This article in autoweek describes how Bill Gates, Paul Allen and Ralph Lauren teamed up with Bruce Canepa to make the 959 street legal. Best quote: Gates 'suggested to Canepa that perhaps they could federalize the car by buying a number of sacrificial 959s to "crash and test."' They modernized and increased the performance of the already super car to: 575HP making the 15 year old cars race to 60 in 3.3 seconds with a top speed of 215MPH."

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  1. tagging bills together by zeoslap · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The thing that struck me about this article was how screwed up the US political system is whereby bills are all bundled together, I won't even get into the fact that with enough cash you can get your own laws considered. This particular law was denied twice (which in of itself should see it permanently denied) but on the third try it was ushered through because the bill it was riding on was a sure fire winner, lame.

    All that being said it's cool that they finally got the cars into the US, only wish I could afford one :)

    1. Re:tagging bills together by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Car safety is interesting. It's not a simple thing to solve as there are so many dependencies amoung numerous factors.

      a) Speed does not kill. If it killed then people would be dieing all the time in F1 and World Super Bikes. There is an increase in risk but nothing like you would expect. Inapproprate speed kills. 70mph on a dry road with little traffic is safer than 50mph in fog in the rush hour.

      b) There's primary safety verses secondary safety. For example there are some types of accident where a motorcyclist is better off than a car driver as the biker will come off and slide down the road where as the driver is contained. Also on a motorcycle you're more likely to be able avoid a collision. My bike, which is relatively slow, will accelerate to 100mph and brake back to zero within 15 seconds. Together with it being thin and it's handling means that I'm more able to avoid accidents than in a car.

      I should also introduce risk compensation theory here. A Volvo or SUV should, in theory, be safer than, say a classic mini, but the driver either consciously or unconsciously knows this and so drives less safely.

      c) Personal responsibility is another factor. US air bags are far more explosive than european ones because in Europe we assume that drivers and passengers are wearing seat belts. US car manufacturers assume their customers are not. In fact new US regulations have killed the classic lines of cars like Aston Martins as they now have to be designed so that idiots who drive without safety devices don't hurt themselves too much.

      d) Experience of drivers. Although technically the UK national speed limit is 70mph provided coniditions are right speeds up to 100mph are sort of tolerated on motorways. If you ask any driver over here, most would say they've driven at atleast 80mph, and probably 90mph at some point or other. And yet our road death toll is proportionally far less than the US and motorways are the safest roads in the UK. In Germany on the autobahns speeds of 150mph are not unknown. It's because we're used to these speeds.

      e) The vehicles themselves. Sports cars are always safer than regular cars or SUVs at the same speed because they have better brakes, better handling and better acceleration. Accelerating out of trouble on a road (to avoid a collision) is just as valid as braking to avoid one and in some cases more advisable. It's similar which sports bikes and sports/tourers.

      Judging from what I've seen on these US reality COP TV shows the average European car has better braking, handling and acceleration than the US equivalent. The narrators express horror at vehicles travelling at speeds which are normal in Europe.

      Arguments against high speed cars are generally flawed because in the end a car is as fast as you drive it and if you're rich enough to own one you can afford to go to track days at a local circuit (which are very popular over here and great fun).

  2. well by toddhunter · · Score: 5, Funny

    suggested to Canepa that perhaps they could federalize the car by buying a number of sacrificial 959s to "crash and test."
    How about spending that crashing and testing time on windows instead???

    1. Re:well by Scorchio · · Score: 5, Funny

      But they're trying to find something that will crash faster...

  3. And no Skyline? by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft Money doesn't help me buy anything. It does tell me that I'm way over budget and will be bankrupt within 3 months of the start of the fiscal year.

  4. The Fast and the Furious III by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bill Gates in a Vin Diesel like role? The influence, the respect, the mystery...

    Robert Love as the guy undercover as the Porshe employee investigating Microsoft's under-the-table dealings with Porshe, to see if more than "Microsoft Money" is involved...

    Natalie "Hot Grits" Portman as his love interest who is also a Porshe racer...

    Steve Ballmer, who screams "On your mark, get set, go" over and over like the crazed monkey he is...

    Darl McBride running around, making sure the cars are using street-legal parts else pay him a special fee to make sure their cars don't "have problems" before a big race?

    Who knows... It wouldn't be any worse than if Hollywood tried to make this!

  5. Re:Microsoft money buys laws by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What has always struck me as idiotic is that the 959 wasn't street legal in the US while other, non-crash-worthy super cars like the Ferrari F40 and F50, Pantera and Shelby Cobra have been.

  6. Elsewhere... by mcpkaaos · · Score: 5, Funny

    John Carmack is seen hastily building a new rocket, loaded with weapons-grade plutonium, mumbling something about being "one-upped" about his Ferrari and some reference to a "last laugh".

    Easy, Ashcroft, I was kidding about the plut++++NO CARRIER

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  7. It's obvious why M$ pulled this shit by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once they heard Ford was switching to Linux they figured they had to do something to compete in the auto market.

    1. Re:It's obvious why M$ pulled this shit by BLAG-blast · · Score: 5, Funny
      Who better to get a Porsche to crash than Bill Gates?

      It wouldn't be that bad, all you'd have to do is close all the windows and try again...

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  8. Re:Microsoft money buys laws by WalterSobchak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would you have a list of the various legal and non-legal "non-crash" cars? What are the requirements.

    And if I please may rant a little bit: The 959 is good enough for the Autobahn, it is good enough for you. Crash data for the car exists, the Kraftfahrtbundesamt has strict specs for giving the "street legal" verdict.

    Alex

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  9. Re:Microsoft money buys laws by abmurray · · Score: 5, Informative

    What has always struck me as idiotic is that the 959 wasn't street legal in the US while other, non-crash-worthy super cars like the Ferrari F40 and F50, Pantera and Shelby Cobra have been.

    Whether or not a car is 'street legal' in the US is entirely up to the manufacturer. The car must adhere to emissions and safety regulations. The car must also be crash-tested and all relevant information throughly documented. There's a host of hoops the manufacturer must jump through that can add significantly to the cost of the car.

    It's not the government that was keeping the 959 from being street legal, but Porsche itself.

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    a.b. murray

  10. Why isn't anyone pissed about the import part? by Excen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Currently, it costs $90,000 to import a USED Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 to the U.S. and to make it street legal. For those of you who don't know, it's the silver and blue car that Paul Walker drives in 2 Fast 2 Furious. (Yeah, it's the one with the steering wheel on the wrong side. . . ) Mind you, it costs a third of that in Japan BRAND SPANKING NEW! You can buy a 2-year-old Toyota Corolla equivalent for 6 thousand in Japan, however, due to the asinine import laws governing foreign trade, it costs two times the cost of the car to get the tests done to prove that the car was street legal and emmisions compliant in the first place, and to pay the import duties. To get the car released from customs to do the emissions testing, a bond of 250 PERCENT OF THE PRICE OF THE CAR must be put up to ensure that you will get the emissions done. You get that money back, but who has the cash to pony up like that when you are buying a car?

    Anyways, that's my rant on Stupid American Laws.

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  11. Hmmm... by wetson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gates 'suggested to Canepa that perhaps they could federalize the car by buying a number of sacrificial 959s to "crash and test."'

    ...so I assume they'll be installing Windows on them?

  12. Re:Too bad for them... by BJH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's see exactly how much a Porsche Carerra GT would cost Bill Gates (relatively speaking).

    His net worth is currently $US34,234,884,352.40 (according to the Bill gates Net Worth Page).
    A brand-new Porsche Carerra GT costs an estimated $US400,000.
    That means that the cost to Bill Gates is approximately 0.0012% of his total worth.
    According to the US Census Bureau, the median net worth of a US household in 1995 was $US40,200. Let's adjust that upward by, say, 10% to take into account the past eight years - the amount is now $US44220.
    0.0012% of 44220 is 53 cents.

    Conclusion: A Porsche Carerra GT for Bill Gates is equivalent to a couple of cans of Coke for the average American.

  13. Microsoft Money? by bastard42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I had no idea MS Money was that good. Is anyone going to patch gnucach for this? Will I have to wait for Quicken to do it first?

    I mean, just think how useful it would be if I could have bills introduced into the Senate from my OSS program anytime I couldn't legally use (or afford) something. Hell, maybe they could implement it for the EU as well. That would be kick ass.

  14. This is how America works, and why it's an outrage by alpha · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Is it because Bill Gates is involved, or did (almost) everybody here
    decide to trade in their aspiration for freedom and pursuit of happiness
    for this pitiful whining about how there ought to be some law to stop
    these "rich bastards" from buying faster cars than most of us here can
    afford. It reeks of ill masked jealousy and outright socialism.

    There IS an outrage in this story, and it's the fact that there already
    WAS a law like that, and that it took these people 10 YEARS and hundreds
    of thousands of dollars to obtain PERMISSION from their own government
    (the government "by the people", charged with protecting "our rights") to
    import a few rare cars! It's an outrage that customs considers these cars
    contraband because of some ill advised regulations that clearly shouldn't
    apply in a situation like this.

    Would the same laws make anyone who builds a custom vehicle a
    criminal? Saying that it's for private use off public roads clearly wasn't
    a defense, since the cars that were imported under "race" classification
    were impounded as well!

    It would make a lot more sense for crash-test/emission laws to impose an
    additional tax on non-compliant cars. That way mass producers would make
    sure their cars comply, but enthusiasts willing to pay the fee wouldn't be
    turned into criminals for possessing "illegal" cars. Based on the
    principles of freedom that are supposed to govern this country, that's
    what i (apparently wrongly) assumed must already be the case!

    This article shed some light on a very disturbing example of how our
    government appears to have lost its appreciation for who are the servants
    and who are the masters, the government or the people that elect and
    employ them?

  15. Re:nonononono..... by toopc · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A purist would tell you all Porsche sucks since 87 (?) when they stopped making their own engines but it's hardly a mystery that Porsches recently have stopped being cars for sportsmen and people who enjoy a good driving experiences, but cars for MS CEOs and rappers.

    Purists? Try snobs. Every generation of Porsche owners has it's share.

    There's your example.

    Then there is the 964 owners who say the 993 isn't a true 911 because Porsche got help from the Japanese to reign in costs and thus produced a lower quality car (the 993 actually sold for $5000 less that the previous year's 964). They also point to the swept back fenders and headlights as more proof

    Then, of course, is the 993 owners who say the 996 isn't a true 911 because it has a water cooled engine. They are many, and probably the most vocal of the snobs.

    And no doubt there will be 996 owners who find something wrong with the next generation. I'm pretty sure there are even a few 356 owners who think anything else isn't really a Porsche.

    Basically these are the people who are insecure about their decision to buy their car and try to make themselves feel better about it by convincing others they own the 'real deal'. These truly are the oft mentioned people who buy a Porsche to make up for a lack of manhood.