Father and son team, as I remember that they don't have a lathe. The spend most of the time on using their router as well. I only seemed to catch it late at night, so it was probably after a night of drinking that I watched. So I'm not even sure if they are still on.
I believe that one of thier sponsors was porter cable (or dewalt). A little on the high end, but you can always get the black and decker version as well. Plus, I forget who owns who in the consumer tools market.
Still looked like something I could try and fuck up.
But you have to admit, using "The Creator's" compiler has a certain ring to it. I'd love to see plan9 in more places. Too bad the communities don't match up. Or what little is left of plan9's.
Initial funding to develop XORP is provided by Intel and the National Science Foundation. Further funding has been provided by Microsoft Corporation. We are extremely grateful for their support.
I would take it than it's more than just a BSD license that allows MS to use the code. Probably helps though.
I get BBC news on my PBS station. Only a half hour, but I'm not paying for cable. They do a DW (Deutch World?) as well. And if I knew more spanish, I could get several stations over the air.
But other than that, I agree. Everybody is the same, why try?
But, in real world IPv6 land, you can only get to the network (TLA/NLA) and subnetwork (SLA), if the user is assigning his own EUI (host) addresses, and you can't get any further without tracing on the subnet, when the activity is occuring.
That's what I'm arguing. Your ISP (uni., city, network solutions, hurricane electric, sprint) is going to know what they provided you. Unless you provide connectivity to other people, and have a lawyer to prove it, then they will go after you. They'll find your/48 just as quick as your ipv4/32 because it resolves to someone elses AS (who are the people getting the notices to forward).
The technology of I2 and IPv6 do not add to your anonimity. And no the "privacy enhanced" provides nothing to some one looking for you on an allocated IPv6. You can change your MAC/EUI address all you want, but someone knows how to route to you. Plus you are registering for/working on classes using some sort of authentication.
In your university setting, they probably will provide you a/48 (yeah/64 was wrong in my previous post).
A/48 (or smaller if they only got a/32 from the RIR) to your dorm room. It would really only provide anonymity if they don't keep track of who logs in.
Tunneling just adds a level of indirection. It helps, but is not a solution for anonimity. Encrypted tunnels are much better.
Just because the university is willing to go to bat for you doesn't mean the problem is solved.
What I'm saying is that IPv6+Internet2 is not anonymous, but perhaps as anonymous as the Internet 15 years ago. It is not attempting to be freenet
They already send notices to ISPs. I assume they just use the whois data.
With IPv6, that data will still be available. And your ISP will still know which/64 it gave to you. So logs are going to be kept (just like logging your dynamic IP). You'll still get a notice from your ISP. If you are doling out parts of your/64, then you will probably need to notify them. Just like your open wireless behind a NAT.
only one person or "release group" has to do it in order to make it available to millions.
Yep, I totally depend on other people from keeping me "mentally engineered like consumer cattle".
Or did you mean that no one noticed "Acme". I always use Acme. It saved the Road Runner because it required a clueful user. Every once and a while it saves me too.
RIP ODB. The Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothing't to fuck with.
Pornography... should not be grouped in with them as an "abuse" of the Internet.
Yes, it fact it is part of the reason the internet is popular. If it weren't for the infringing of pop music and hollywood, all traffic would be pr0n. (OK couple of percent email and http software downloads, plus some small percentage of "informational" web sites (pr0n reviews and such)). Doesn't everyone remember the first pr0n search you did. "HOLY F**K, that's a lot of naked pictures. And all I got to do is pretend the internet is useful??? Hell ya!"
Isn't there a saying that no medium will be popular w/o porn (think cable and VCRs). I would bet that the second guy after Guttenberg printed porn, not the bible. I'd look it up, but it might slow down this damn interesting mpeg file I'm downloading.
Of course some people, like Cerf, might try to do real things, like communicate, with this network of autonomous networks. Thanks for letting us pretend, though.
"This here InterWEB is making me sore."
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> >"Using Unix is the computing equivalent of listening only to music by David Cassidy"
> To continue the musical comparison. Windows, 15 different variations of the same mass produced pop song whos only existance is to make money for a company that already has a lot of money.
Windows is like Madonna? And couldn't unix be Led Zeppelin. Something cool, and still appreciated today?
And what's Plan9? David Byrne?
Starts geek dancing to talking heads while mounting someone elses network stack.
i.e. shouldn't all such modules - crypto, image, parser run within some kind of privilege jails and communicate with the involved application using something like a socket?
No. It's slow.
You have to copy the data back and forth. Not only that, you double your memory for that "operation" (sender has a copy and receiver has a copy).
OTOH, it's a cool abstraction, and it's called pipes. All programs should pass data as file. Your file can be a pipe. Sockets are named pipes. GUI and speed be damned.
To stay on topic, I'm off to see GITS2 at the one screen in my state. Yep, totally wide release... but better than nothing. After the movie, perhaps I will consume some copyright infringed Iron City, by wearing a Guinness shirt while drinking it. Won't be the first time.
PS Some places will let you buy singles, but that's illegal in some places.
PPS You could always ask for a sample at the brewery. YMMV.
If you can't handle Quicksilver, then never, ever read Asimov. Sure Aismov has some good short stories, but have you ever looked at the page count of of the Foundation series, let alone the Robot series. (Remember that the answer to the mystery is in the first chapters. The rest of what you read was a mystery novel trying to get you away from that fact.) You can't tell me that every book in these series is worth it.
Give the guy a break. One bad (and it isn't that bad) book and you've given up on all his books?
PS I haven't read The Confustion yet either. I like The Diamond Age, but Snow Crash is cooler. I'll read the Confusion just for that.
So, a box can only have one worm and two spyware programs? Sweet.
User doesn't notice worm. Check.
User is annoyed by one set up ads. Check
User clicks yes and installs something else. Check.
User can't run MS Office. Awesome.
I only have to get rid of 3 things.
Rinse and Repeat as necessary.
Why can't we get this here. Or at least post the registry hacks so I can limit user functionality too.
They were both truck bombs that killed american soldiers. Similar enough, I guess.
I did find the Somalia reference though, it's in the 9/11 report. Apparently, some people were heard bragging about it. I never saw it as a terrorist event, but I must have missed this new.
> Reagan pulled US troops out of Beirut after the Khobar bombing
No it was the Marine base that Reagan would have known about. Not Khobar Towers, which was well after Reagan left power and the public eye.
I really don't know that much about what happened in Somalia, but I'm still pretty sure maelstrom's "Black Hawks in Somalia" has little to nothing to do with terrorism, or the increase in terrorism. Seems as if the attacks in Yemen were related to Somalia, but I guess I'll read up on it.
s/Reagan/Clinton/ or s/Khobar Towers/Beruit/ right?
I think I get you drift though.
> The US retreat from Somalia was one of the key factors that convinced bin Laden that the US would be both vulnerable and non-responsive to an attack on its own soil.
Didn't the first world trade center bombing happen before Somalia? As an attack on civillians? By a terrorist group?
Perhaps an actual attack on US soil would give a good indication on how we would react?
Wasn't bin Laden involved with that? Or at least more involved than in the warlord's attack US troops in Somalia.
I just disagree with the parent posters correlation between these events (Somalian warlords and islamic terrorist groups).
As for "key gating factors", Didn't they see us bomb Bosnia? Is that a key factor, too?
And isn't there a big enough difference between losing serveral lives in a limited combat action and several thousand lives in New York City (I know they didn't expect that many). A factor, sure, but then maybe the WTO riots were as well. Or Vietnam. Or Korea. Or the Civil War. I don't know. Got any links to change my mind?
"Was al-Qaeda involved in the 1993 attack on U.S. forces in Somalia?"
"Not directly. But according to a 1998 U.S. District Court indictment of bin Laden and other al-Qaeda members, al-Qaeda issued a fatwa, or religious ruling, calling the 1993-95 U.N. humanitarian mission to Somalia an act of American aggression and urging Muslims to attack U.S. troops there."
Is the future of competitive sports an elite cadre of genetically engineered athletes?
How is this different than now? If everyone uses this, then there is a "level playing field", right? If we're ready to engineer our food, then we should engineer our bodies. You are what you eat.
--or--
I hope so, but only if they go against robots at least half the time.
--or--
Aren't they supposed to be amateurs anyways? Perhaps that's the problem.
Attend them, and note the guys who are in multiple groups.
Yes, they are the creepy ones. Avoid them at all cost. Try to pretend you are someone else at each meeting, or at least arrange so you don't go to the same meetings.:)
Alright brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer. Homer
I try to use beer as a motivator for my brain (Do this and you won't have to think for a little while). I don't think it works.
Been there, done that.
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I'd rather alternate my cheap beers with skittles. drink. chew. drink more. Much more satisfying IMHO. Besides, how can you trust someone who thinks Coors Light is a decent light beer. That just makes me want to bang my head against the wall.
A way better treat is a Guinness float. Ice cream in your beer kicks ass, try it with you favorite stout.
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PBS' Router Workshop
Father and son team, as I remember that they don't have a lathe. The spend most of the time on using their router as well. I only seemed to catch it late at night, so it was probably after a night of drinking that I watched. So I'm not even sure if they are still on.
I believe that one of thier sponsors was porter cable (or dewalt). A little on the high end, but you can always get the black and decker version as well. Plus, I forget who owns who in the consumer tools market.
Still looked like something I could try and fuck up.
Too bad the plan9 compiler license isn't compatible with openbsd.
But you have to admit, using "The Creator's" compiler has a certain ring to it. I'd love to see plan9 in more places. Too bad the communities don't match up. Or what little is left of plan9's.
Especially since the website says this:
Initial funding to develop XORP is provided by Intel and the National Science Foundation. Further funding has been provided by Microsoft Corporation. We are extremely grateful for their support.
I would take it than it's more than just a BSD license that allows MS to use the code. Probably helps though.
I get BBC news on my PBS station. Only a half hour, but I'm not paying for cable. They do a DW (Deutch World?) as well.
And if I knew more spanish, I could get several stations over the air.
But other than that, I agree. Everybody is the same, why try?
But, in real world IPv6 land, you can only get to the network (TLA/NLA) and subnetwork (SLA), if the user is assigning his own EUI (host) addresses, and you can't get any further without tracing on the subnet, when the activity is occuring.
/48 just as quick as your ipv4 /32 because it resolves to someone elses AS (who are the people getting the notices to forward).
/48 (yeah /64 was wrong in my previous post). /48 (or smaller if they only got a /32 from the RIR) to your dorm room. It would really only provide anonymity if they don't keep track of who logs in.
That's what I'm arguing. Your ISP (uni., city, network solutions, hurricane electric, sprint) is going to know what they provided you. Unless you provide connectivity to other people, and have a lawyer to prove it, then they will go after you. They'll find your
The technology of I2 and IPv6 do not add to your anonimity. And no the "privacy enhanced" provides nothing to some one looking for you on an allocated IPv6. You can change your MAC/EUI address all you want, but someone knows how to route to you. Plus you are registering for/working on classes using some sort of authentication.
In your university setting, they probably will provide you a
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Tunneling just adds a level of indirection. It helps, but is not a solution for anonimity. Encrypted tunnels are much better.
Just because the university is willing to go to bat for you doesn't mean the problem is solved.
What I'm saying is that IPv6+Internet2 is not anonymous, but perhaps as anonymous as the Internet 15 years ago. It is not attempting to be freenet
They already send notices to ISPs. I assume they just use the whois data.
/64 it gave to you. So logs are going to be kept (just like logging your dynamic IP). You'll still get a notice from your ISP. If you are doling out parts of your /64, then you will probably need to notify them. Just like your open wireless behind a NAT.
With IPv6, that data will still be available. And your ISP will still know which
What's the difference?
only one person or "release group" has to do it in order to make it available to millions.
Yep, I totally depend on other people from keeping me "mentally engineered like consumer cattle".
Or did you mean that no one noticed "Acme". I always use Acme. It saved the Road Runner because it required a clueful user. Every once and a while it saves me too.
RIP ODB. The Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothing't to fuck with.
Pornography ... should not be grouped in with them as an "abuse" of the Internet.
Yes, it fact it is part of the reason the internet is popular. If it weren't for the infringing of pop music and hollywood, all traffic would be pr0n. (OK couple of percent email and http software downloads, plus some small percentage of "informational" web sites (pr0n reviews and such)). Doesn't everyone remember the first pr0n search you did. "HOLY F**K, that's a lot of naked pictures. And all I got to do is pretend the internet is useful??? Hell ya!"
Isn't there a saying that no medium will be popular w/o porn (think cable and VCRs). I would bet that the second guy after Guttenberg printed porn, not the bible. I'd look it up, but it might slow down this damn interesting mpeg file I'm downloading.
Of course some people, like Cerf, might try to do real things, like communicate, with this network of autonomous networks. Thanks for letting us pretend, though.
"This here InterWEB is making me sore."
> >"Using Unix is the computing equivalent of listening only to music by David Cassidy"
> To continue the musical comparison. Windows, 15 different variations of the same mass produced pop song whos only existance is to make money for a company that already has a lot of money.
Windows is like Madonna? And couldn't unix be Led Zeppelin. Something cool, and still appreciated today?
And what's Plan9? David Byrne?
Starts geek dancing to talking heads while mounting someone elses network stack.
i.e. shouldn't all such modules - crypto, image, parser run within some kind of privilege jails and communicate with the involved application using something like a socket?
No. It's slow.
You have to copy the data back and forth. Not only that, you double your memory for that "operation" (sender has a copy and receiver has a copy).
OTOH, it's a cool abstraction, and it's called pipes. All programs should pass data as file. Your file can be a pipe. Sockets are named pipes. GUI and speed be damned.
P.S. I still think plan9 is supercool.
steel a beer
:)
Only if it's Iron City beer. It's crapalicious
To stay on topic, I'm off to see GITS2 at the one screen in my state. Yep, totally wide release... but better than nothing. After the movie, perhaps I will consume some copyright infringed Iron City, by wearing a Guinness shirt while drinking it. Won't be the first time.
PS Some places will let you buy singles, but that's illegal in some places.
PPS You could always ask for a sample at the brewery. YMMV.
If you can't handle Quicksilver, then never, ever read Asimov. Sure Aismov has some good short stories, but have you ever looked at the page count of of the Foundation series, let alone the Robot series. (Remember that the answer to the mystery is in the first chapters. The rest of what you read was a mystery novel trying to get you away from that fact.)
You can't tell me that every book in these series is worth it.
Give the guy a break. One bad (and it isn't that bad) book and you've given up on all his books?
PS I haven't read The Confustion yet either. I like The Diamond Age, but Snow Crash is cooler. I'll read the Confusion just for that.
But how will you get rid of them? Norton, Spybot, etc., wouldn't run either.
;>)
Boot, hit reset, repeat. Until bad things have fs/registry corruption?
Or, install Linux, and say it must be the new advertising scheme/Service Pack 2 you downloaded.
So, a box can only have one worm and two spyware programs? Sweet.
User doesn't notice worm. Check.
User is annoyed by one set up ads. Check
User clicks yes and installs something else. Check.
User can't run MS Office. Awesome.
I only have to get rid of 3 things.
Rinse and Repeat as necessary.
Why can't we get this here. Or at least post the registry hacks so I can limit user functionality too.
OK, found this http://www.faqs.org/docs/911/911Report-77.html, so there was some connection. I guess I sould pay more attention. Oh well.
They were both truck bombs that killed american soldiers. Similar enough, I guess.
I did find the Somalia reference though, it's in the 9/11 report. Apparently, some people were heard bragging about it. I never saw it as a terrorist event, but I must have missed this new.
> Reagan pulled US troops out of Beirut after the Khobar bombing
No it was the Marine base that Reagan would have known about. Not Khobar Towers, which was well after Reagan left power and the public eye.
I really don't know that much about what happened in Somalia, but I'm still pretty sure maelstrom's "Black Hawks in Somalia" has little to nothing to do with terrorism, or the increase in terrorism. Seems as if the attacks in Yemen were related to Somalia, but I guess I'll read up on it.
John,
s/Reagan/Clinton/ or s/Khobar Towers/Beruit/ right?
I think I get you drift though.
> The US retreat from Somalia was one of the key factors that convinced bin Laden that the US would be both vulnerable and non-responsive to an attack on its own soil.
Didn't the first world trade center bombing happen before Somalia? As an attack on civillians? By a terrorist group?
Perhaps an actual attack on US soil would give a good indication on how we would react?
Wasn't bin Laden involved with that? Or at least more involved than in the warlord's attack US troops in Somalia.
I just disagree with the parent posters correlation between these events (Somalian warlords and islamic terrorist groups).
As for "key gating factors", Didn't they see us bomb Bosnia? Is that a key factor, too?
And isn't there a big enough difference between losing serveral lives in a limited combat action and several thousand lives in New York City (I know they didn't expect that many). A factor, sure, but then maybe the WTO riots were as well. Or Vietnam. Or Korea. Or the Civil War. I don't know. Got any links to change my mind?
Catch ya on the flip side,
a bastard
"Was al-Qaeda involved in the 1993 attack on U.S. forces in Somalia?"
9 93
"Not directly. But according to a 1998 U.S. District Court indictment of bin Laden and other al-Qaeda members, al-Qaeda issued a fatwa, or religious ruling, calling the 1993-95 U.N. humanitarian mission to Somalia an act of American aggression and urging Muslims to attack U.S. troops there."
http://cfrterrorism.org/havens/somalia2.html via http://www.google.com/search?q=al-qaeda+somalia+1
Black Hawks in Somalia ... did not effectively respond to this terrorist group
Huh?
What did the events Somalia have to do with any terrorist group?
Is the future of competitive sports an elite cadre of genetically engineered athletes?
How is this different than now? If everyone uses this, then there is a "level playing field", right? If we're ready to engineer our food, then we should engineer our bodies. You are what you eat.
--or--
I hope so, but only if they go against robots at least half the time.
--or--
Aren't they supposed to be amateurs anyways? Perhaps that's the problem.
And sell the rich their own fat back :)
3) PROFIT!!
PS Fight Club is way cooler than the Matrix. Tyler Durden would kick Neo's ass, virtually or not.
Attend them, and note the guys who are in multiple groups.
:)
Yes, they are the creepy ones. Avoid them at all cost. Try to pretend you are someone else at each meeting, or at least arrange so you don't go to the same meetings.
Alright brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
I try to use beer as a motivator for my brain (Do this and you won't have to think for a little while). I don't think it works.Homer
I'd rather alternate my cheap beers with skittles. drink. chew. drink more. Much more satisfying IMHO. Besides, how can you trust someone who thinks Coors Light is a decent light beer. That just makes me want to bang my head against the wall.
A way better treat is a Guinness float. Ice cream in your beer kicks ass, try it with you favorite stout.
Have fun,
chris