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New Microsoft Worm Coming Soon?

Seft sent in a solid article running on the BBC discussing the next potential worm explosion on the heels of a recent Security Bulletin from Microsoft. The article is a somewhat general topic piece on worms in general.

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  1. The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article:
    US computer security firm iDefense discovered the code being circulated from Chinese websites. It said some computers were already being broken into using the new exploit code.

    This puts a bit of a different spin on the previous story, in which Taiwan accused China of organizing a cyber-attack. I think this validates the position that Taiwan's government was simply disseminating a little cross-channel FUD... there may indeed be Chinese hackers trying to break into Taiwanese systems, but they're doing it on an ad-hoc basis, not as part of a government-sponsored attack.

    Think about it... you're a hacker in mainland China, and you want to attack someone. Do you go after your own government? Only if your family doesn't mind paying for the bullet when you're convicted of espionage. Much safer to hit a country that your government wouldn't mind giving a black eye?

    Hackers in China... hey, it looks like China is the new Russia!

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    1. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by ramzak2k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      does this have anything to do with Microsoft opening up its code to China ?

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    2. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by bigjocker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Now that you mention it, probably.

      It's a lot easier to write a worm having the Windows' source code available. This bug came from China, and Microsoft has sent the source code to China ... maybe they should start looking for the Blaster writer over there ...

      Also, the last attack agains Taiwan by some chinese crackers may have something to do with this. Maybe Microsoft was right when they said that it would be a major security risk to publish the Windows source code.

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    3. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by The_K4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm waiting for the virus taht cause Windows XP to believe that it's not "activated" and cause hunders of thousnds of people to call to re-activeate their OS. :) Talk about DDoSing them. :)

    4. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by RobertB-DC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sort of Buddhist, although I'm not so sure about Confucius. I ought to fit in, more or less.

      Hmmm... I think you'd better check the first few paragraphs of the link I found for my original posting. Or, just pin a note to your back saying "Persecute Me".

      You made a good point, though:
      Remember the "one child" policy? Well, all those little princes are growning up.

      Yeah, and they don't have many princesses to marry. The one-child policy led to a very suspicious decrease in the number of baby girls, so we now have a lot of young men with no way to get a wife. I think it looks something like this:

      1. Excess male population
      2. ???
      3. Conquest!

      where ??? = [War | Prosperity], and Prosperity isn't looking like the most likely choice.

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    5. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive.

      Not a great idea -- the user would probably get a blank screen warning that something tried to modify the boot sector from the BIOS. No damage done.

      The ones that abused the BIOS update to render the motherboard useless were neat, but there are now motherboards with dual BIOS just in case something like that happens.

      Scrambling bits in all files in "My Documents" would probably be devistating enough.

    6. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Isomer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      True. It would have to run for x hours, trying to infect other hosts before "delivering its payload".

      What would be a good value for x? When the critical mass has been infected obviously.

      You can take the payload and split it up into "n" smaller chunks, then infect "n" initial machines with your virus each with only a small part of the payload. Then every time a virus infects a new host it splits it's payload in half until it's down to one byte/bit/whatever, then it just copies it's payload. When it finds another machine thats already infected, they both give each other their own payload.

      If the other side have data that conflicts with your own, throw theirs away to prevent poisoning

      So when there are lots of hosts to infect around the world, the payload gets split up, but it's not until almost all the machines are infected that the payload starts being reassembled.

      If the payload is encrypted in such a way that you need the entire payload to decrypt the entire thing, then Antivirus researchers can't tell what the payload is going to do before it actually occurs.

      You probably want to make sure that there are multiple copies of the initial data in case machines get cleaned that contain the only copy of one bit or so.

      We need to organise things like automated detection of abnormal network activity, and some kind of automated way to slow down (but perhaps not stop -- you're not sure if it is an actual virus) the flow of virulent activity.

      A technique like this could be used for something like Freenet to hide information until everyone has the information, then release it.

    7. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by Nintendork · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The assholes that wrote the exploit are one step above talentless script-kiddies. The hole is just a buffer overrun and the patch gives away exactly where it is. All they had to do was write code that stuffs the buffer, pushing executable code into another memory area.

      It's funny that you mention that it would be easier to hack the OS with the source code available. That's exactly why the chances of a zero-day exploit are higher on open source software than closed source. *OUCH*

      -Lucas

    8. Re:The Amazing Flying Hackers of China! by innosent · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's exactly why the chances of a zero-day exploit are higher on open source software than closed source. *OUCH*

      You've got a good point, except that it also means that someone can notice the problem and fix it. Besides, given the recent string of M$ security holes, wouldn't it be easier to just start throwing strings at all the services until one crashes? If throwing random data at a service crashes it, it's probably a good bet that there's another buffer overflow there. Apparently Microsoft doesn't seem to find bounds checking to be important. Maybe they should write Longhorn in Ada (actually, that might not be a bad idea). Hell, if you're going to write bloatware anyways, why not start with the most bloated language? (Don't get me wrong, Ada is a great language, but the standard library is rediculously large).

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  2. Am i the only one? by madcoder47 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I the only one who noticed that the woman in the BBC Article's picture (directly above the "The MSBlast worm hit some users hard" Caption text) is using an old mac, and therefore, is not struggling with the MSBlast worm?

    The power button and display/contrast knobs on the side of the monitor give it away....

    Also, from the article: "But viruses that take advantage of new found flaws in the chunk of computer code exploited by MSBlast look set to arrive even sooner." -- Does this mean that even though microsoft cleaned up the code that was used by MSBlast as a backdoor, they still overlooked some code in the same region?

  3. Already Here by Fletch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to C|Net's News.com.com, two new woms have surfaced exploiting a 2 year old hole in IE 5.x.

  4. Where's the update? by lord_dragonsfyre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Okay, I've read about three emails so far, plus this article, about this new security hole. So of course, I go to download the patch.

    And there is no patch. Headed to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com, hit Scan for Updates.... nothing shows under Critical Updates.

    Anyone know what's up with this?

    James.

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  5. I think there's already something new going around by ncc74656 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My suspected-spam file had something like 50-60 new messages in it since last night. Except for one Nigerian-scam message, they all claimed to be security fixes from Microsoft (how original of them :-| ). I saved the attachment from one of them and let Nortan Antivirus take a look at it. It didn't identify any virus (even after updating signatures), but it has to be malware of some sort that just hasn't been cataloged yet.

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  6. Related? by Yoda2 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Not sure if it's related, but I've gotten this freaking thing about 10 times today. It's brand new and claims to be a Windows patch. I can easily see how a n00b would open it.

    Only the latest virus definitions catch this thing.

  7. Here they come.... by mgarriss · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Microsoft User

    this is the latest version of security update, the "September 2003, Cumulative Patch" update which fixes all known security vulnerabilities affecting MS Internet Explorer, MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express as well as three newly discovered vulnerabilities. Install now to maintain the security of your computer. This update includes the functionality of all previously released patches.
    I've received about 20 (with some variation) of these in the last few hours. Strange because SoBig ignored me for some reason.
  8. Curious. by Chompster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "US computer security firm iDefense discovered the code being circulated from Chinese websites."

    Chinese websites, as in from mainland China, or from Hong Kong?

    If it is Hong Kong; then perhaps it is the same fellows that run the bootleg operations. Oddly, it doesn't seem that the new Chinese rule has done anything to stop this. I guess crimes against the US and other world nations and their computer systems don't count for as much as saying that thuggish tyrants shouldn't rule.

    Mainland, on the other hand, would indicate something occuring directly under the pervue of China, and their 'government'.

    Neither is particular suprising or unusual, but these kind of folks usually get ignored for swapping copyrighted data and running illegal porn sites. I wonder if swapping viruses will put them on the criminal radar?

    Anyone have any information on this particular factoid? It would be interesting to know if these are HK or Mainland.

    Eh.

    -Chompster

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  9. Praise for Auto-Update? by Houn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After reading this article, I immediately checked WindowsUpate... only to find I installed this already a few days ago. This is the positive side of the Auto-updater, being able to set it to tell you when there are new updates available.

    I'd never set it to auto-update, and I sincerely hope it never gets forced upon me. But as long as the company I work for has a know-nothing IT guy and a reliance on windows-only software, I guess I'll have to live with patching my 2K install.

    (Though don't tell my boss, I've got a Knoppix CD in my desk drawer and am currently exploring how feasible a switch to Linux on my work box might be!)

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  10. Ironic by MrEnigma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it's kind of ironic...on their page it goes through the products affected, NT, XP, etc.

    And then they say Windows Me is not affected, not is 98, or 95, but you should upgrade to the newest versions. To the end user, that would kind of be like, I could upgrade to the newest versions, and then be vulnerable to all of this...why would I.

    Just thought it was funny.

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  11. Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.

    You're thinking software, not biology.

    A virus like Ebola is bad news for its host. It spreads pretty easily and quickly causes violent, bloody death. But it kills its host so quickly that the host doesn't have time to infect anyone outside his immediate contacts, and the severe nature brings all Man's medical defenses to track the contagion to its source and eradicate it.

    The common cold is a virus, too. It causes relatively minor discomfort to its host, only killing a small number of previously weakened hosts. This gives the cold time to spread widely before it is detected, and by that time the infection can no longer be contained -- or even traced back to its original host.

    Early viruses were more Ebola-like, wiping out boot sectors, killing the host. But when was the last time you heard of a new infection by the Michelangelo virus?

    Evolution, of a sort, has led to new viruses being more like the common cold -- annoying, but not deadly, and therefore common as a sneeze.

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    1. Re:Survival for Virus: Don't Kill Your Host by bfields · · Score: 2, Interesting
      To be honest, I hope it just trashes boot sectors before writing random crap all over the hard drive. That might actually get the message through. All these soft viruses just make people think of it as an inconvenience. When something bad happens, people might just start sitting up and taking notice.

      You're thinking software, not biology.

      A virus like Ebola is bad news for its host. It spreads pretty easily and quickly causes violent, bloody death. But it kills its host so quickly that the host doesn't have time to infect anyone outside his immediate contacts, and the severe nature brings all Man's medical defenses to track the contagion to its source and eradicate it.

      I'm not sure this analogy works any more for a "virus" that can infect a large percentage of the worlds computers in a few minutes....

      --Bruce Fields

  12. Symantec AV just found this on my system by bryhhh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bloodhound.Exploit.1

    Which according to Symantec is "likely to be a new worm or Trojan that makes use of the DCOM RPC vulnerability.".

    I'm pretty sure it's a false positive as the machine is patched, firewalled, and the file was found in the offline file cache (I've seen a few false positives in that directory).

    For a minute or two I though the worm we are all expecting RSN, had been released.

  13. HIV by Detritus · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Another approach is to have a long incubation period, like HIV. It slowly multiplies over a long period of time before causing symptoms.

    A computer virus could wait several weeks before it nuked the hard drive.

    If I wrote a virus, I would add anti-tamper features so that removing the virus would also trash the system. The virus could encrypt selected parts of the hard drive and decrypt them on-the-fly when the operating system accessed those sections of the hard drive.

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    1. Re:HIV by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The virus could encrypt selected parts of the hard drive...

      What's really scary is this:

      Think of all the vbs worms/viruses, now mate that with windows scripting (similar to vbs, I think) and windows' abilty to encrypt the file system (built in functionality, right?).

      How hard would it be to, oh, say infect a system, encrypt the entire drive (or "my documents" or delete select files/user data), change the admin password, and reboot the system when done?

      I think that'd be the rudest awakening ever.

      I give it a year or so before it happens somewhere important, because some people never learn...esp Microsoft.

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    2. Re:HIV by HiThere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Make that random parts of the system, and random *.doc files (and a few other extensions). Nobody would *dare* get rid of it. A bad system file can be replaced, but a bad doc file can be very bad.

      It might teach people about hierarchcical backups, but I doubt it.

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    3. Re:HIV by bigfatlamer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But did you read the rest of the post? I agree...an incubation period would likely only work for the first wave of infected machines (if that) causing a low number of high profile destroyed machines. 30 seconds on one evening news program, if that.

      Contrast that with what the parent said which was that fucking with the virus, by trying to remove w/ an AV tool for instance, would cause it to drop its payload immediately and do whatever evil it was planning to do.

      NB that I know exactly fuck all about programming so I have no idea how difficult this would be but it would certainly get folks to sit up and take notice and I have no doubt that it will happen sooner rather than later.

      Eric

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    4. Re:HIV by slyxter · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If it spread as quickly as slammer, it could infect a large number of computers in 8 hours. At the 8 hour mark, nuke the hard drives. Then it could be launched again on a new set of computers. 16 hours later, there would be a lot of unpatched windows boxes smoldering.

    5. Re:HIV by Nintendork · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Virus companies can't possibly know every trojan that can be posted to a random web page and downloaded by the worm.

      I encourage you to subscribe to some SecurityFocus mailing lists. We (White hats) analyze traffic trends and would notice any odd activity. We would analyze the data passing in the packets and see what exploit it's implementing. We'd then set up a honeypot so we could analyze an infected box, disassemble the virus, etc. and there would be updated virus defs as a result. All within one or two days.

      -Lucas

  14. Received 5 messages with payloads in last 2 hours. by frkiii · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have patch, firewall, etc. here at my company.

    In the last 2 hours, I have received five messages all noting that my "message was underliverable" or similar wording.

    No "attachment" (use Netscape 4.7x here at work for e-mail handling). But, a look at the source showed the payloads.

    One was a ".bat" file, others were randomly named ".exe" files.

    In analyzing the headers, most (three of five) appear to have originated from a "Comcast" server.

    The time stamp on the messages of the messages ranged from 19:30 GMT to 16:30 GMT -4.

    Something is spewing on the net.

    Regards,

    Fredrick

  15. Re: *Sigh* by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Interesting


    > Its a shame the only people who read these articles are the ones who aren't affected in the first place.

    Nope, the rest of us will have our network service will be degraded due to all the worm traffic.

    ...at least until ISPs start kicking infected machines of the 'net, at which point we might actually see a network speedup.

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  16. One paper to bind them all... by daveaitel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That exploit was written closely based on my papers at http://www.immunitysec.com/papers/

    Dave Aitel
    Immunity, Inc.

  17. Already getting emails for 3 days by dodell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've already been getting emails for 3 days with crap from 'Microsoft' and people sending me the patches in .exe form... like I'd trust that.

    But thankfully, I run FreeBSD and don't have to deal with that crap. Just the email overflow :P.

  18. You ain't seen nothing yet by ralphus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The current array of worms making the rounds on the Internet are pretty fundamentally simple worms and not much more than teenagers throwing eggs at the wall on a large scale. Blaster was crashing systems because of it's sloppy coding, it wasn't even doing damage other than eating up resources and planning on attacking MS (which it stupidly did based on DNS entry and then even the WRONG ONE).

    Worms today all have limited vision in what they can do and a greedy philosophy which results in limiting their possible damage.

    I'm one of the good guys, but I can certainly see the potential that an evil genius can do. Please read these two papers and get a idea of what is possibly coming.

    Warhol Worms

    Curious Yellow

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  19. I wonder... by dolson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was just thinking... I bet Microsoft is getting people to write these worms that exploit these security holes in Windows a week after the patch is available... It helps dispell the "myth" that Windows is insecure and all that, and nicely places the blame on the sysadmins... "You didn't patch??? Too bad..." You know what I mean? "It's not Microsoft's fault; they had a patch out a week ago." Brilliant. Microsoft++