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Apple Pulls 10.2.8 Update

Posted by pudge on from the oopsie dept.

physicsnerd writes "Apple has apparently pulled the Mac OS X 10.2.8 update from Software Update. The standalone updates have also been pulled. There have been reports of problems with 10.2.8 on iMacs and eMacs." People have also reported network problems.

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  1. Odd... by the+Man+in+Black · · Score: 2, Informative

    I finished the update earlier on my PowerBook G3 with no problems.

    *knock wood*

    Are we certain this is an [e|i]mac-specific issue?

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    1. Re:Odd... by TMFUberman · · Score: 3, Informative

      I finished the update last night on my 15" FP iMac. No problems.

      However, the complaints on Apple's internal boards indicate issues with Ethernet connections. I use Airport, and it's fine.

    2. Re:Odd... by DJMeatBall · · Score: 3, Informative

      there are a number of bitchin' comments on Apple's Support discussion boards about wacky screen behavior on PowerBook G3's.

      Which I also have been hitting since updating my Lombard.

      Three or four reboots ago.

      blah.

  2. Re:Even with extensive beta testing... by suyashs · · Score: 2, Informative

    By "all the bugs" I mean most of the big bugs...cause there seem to be some major bugs surrounding this update....

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  3. Awww Crap.... by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just installed the updates this morning on two computers. PowerMac Dual G4 1Ghz MDD and a PowerBook G4 550Mhz.

    No problems, encountered but I installed the updates and ran a Repair Permissions afterwards.

    The only problem:
    The PowerMac screen saver went to sleep and would not wake up after the Software Update mandatory reboot. I had walked away from the machine after telling it to reboot and did not even login to it. It froze with the screen blanked. I ended up SSHing into it from another computer and doing a sudo shutdown -h now then powered it back up. This is when I ran the Repair Permissions.

    The PowerBook was upgraded after this and it didn't have a single problem. I didn't have a chance to test it though.

    Hope they roll out an updated 10.2.8 soon so whatever major bug(s) were let loose; would get reined in quickly.

    Serves me right in not waiting 2 days before I applied the updates. Some were having problems but most were do to people running haxies.

  4. Well.... by solistus · · Score: 4, Informative

    As far as I know, the problem is limited to a few iMacs/eMacs. I have no problems on the iBook, powerbook g4, or powermac G4 in my house... all on 10.2.8. I would expect Apple to put it back up as soon as they fix the apparent failure, either through a modified 10.2.8 or a patch for the systems affected. This update is nothing all that exciting, so it's not a mistake that it ever went up. In other words, don't worry if you have 10.2.8. You'll be fine.

    1. Re:Well.... by babbage · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, this is not an iMac/eMac problem. Far from it. Most reports I've read so far seem to be focusing on dual G4s in the 500mhz range, possibly restricted to ones with Intel's gigabit ethernet chipset. However, some reports talk about Powerbooks as well, so the scope of the problem isn't quite yet clear. The main consolation seems to be that Airport & dialup connections do not seem to be affected, just standard, traditional wired ethernet. Broadly, this is a nasty bug for those unlucky enough to be affected -- consider yourself lucky that you're not seeing it on your machines.

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    2. Re:Well.... by CyberDave · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Dual 500 G4s have Gigabit Ethernet. As do the 400 Mhz and Dual 450 machines that were released at the same time, at MacWorld New York 2000. I know. I own one.

      Good thing I was too busy to get the 10.2.8 update when it first came out that I completely missed it. :)

      CyberDave

  5. Seems to work for me by highcaffeine · · Score: 3, Informative

    With one weird, but possibly-not-related, exception.

    I did the 10.2.8 update on my G4 PowerMac. After the initial reboot and before I had a chance to actually do anything, my keyboard and mouse stopped responding. But a power cycle later and things seem to be working fine. I've since run a couple Classic apps (mainly the scanning software for a Canon), plus OS X Photoshop 7 and connected to a couple Samba shares on a Linux server. The only network connection is wired Ethernet.

    I should have thought to try and ssh in before cycling the machine, but I didn't. So, for all I know it could have either been just the kb/mouse, or it could have been the entire machine, that froze up.

  6. Software Update by pjteeter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Baited breath huh? I updated a 1GHz G4 Powerbook and a WallStreet Powerbook today. Everything looks ok for now...

  7. Ethernet problems... by singularity · · Score: 3, Informative

    Quicksilver G4/933 running 100Base-T through DHCP:

    I upgraded last night and then rebooted. Everything worked fine. Then this morning I suddenly lost all Internet access. Tried to renew the DHCP lease, and that failed. I rebooted and things are working (for now).

    Other problems: The Firewall pane of the System Preferences says I already have a firewall running and therefore it will not let me change/configure it.

    All in all, most OS X upgrades have been pretty problem-free for me. It sucks these things happen, and they should not happen, but...

    Something else funny - right before the machine went down I was complaining on IRC about the new SSH patch and how I was going to have to take down my machine again for that.

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  8. Glad they pulled it! by matt_j_99 · · Score: 3, Informative

    My 17 inch powerbook was rendered useless overnight. Upon rebooting, the video display renedered the grey screen of death. Hopefully, doing an 'archive and install' and going back to 10.2.6 will fix my woes... At least they are doing the responsible thing and pulling the plug on it.

    1. Re:Glad they pulled it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      From what I've heard, several builds were seeded to select members of ADC. However, these seeds were released simultaneously with seeds of 10.3.


      There is a much more extensive program than just seeding this to developers. Developers are mostly responsible for the leaks that hit the rumour pages, but Apple has a core group of hardcore users that it uses to seed pre-release software to.

      I was part of the 10.2.8 group, and we had no problems with it; the ethernet problems I've heard about only happen when you have a 10bT hub. There may be other issues. We're going to keep testing, there should be a new update soon.
  9. MS Office v.X problems... by snafu · · Score: 3, Informative
    According to MacWindows users, "...Now Excel and Power Point Crash after the splash screen..." (and more comments)

    This may imply something important is broken in the OS, or in the latest Office. In either case, it's important for Apple to keep it working.

  10. Re:How about an explanation? by physicsnerd · · Score: 4, Informative
    Apple gave MacCentral got a short answer: (from the article)

    "We have temporarily removed the Mac OS X v10.2.8 software update while we resolve an issue affecting Ethernet networking on small number of Power Mac G4 desktop systems. We anticipate that the issue will be resolved soon," said the statement in its entirety.

    The full article can be found here:
    http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/23/102 8pulled/index.php?redirect=1064334986000

    Physicsnerd

  11. This update was a disaster for me by babbage · · Score: 5, Informative

    Like a lot of other people, this update seems to have completely screwed up ethernet networking for me. A lot of the reports I've read (Apple's site Slashdot comment, MacFixit article, MacSlash, etc) suggest that people with dual processor G4s running 400-500mhz are having a lot of problems, and a broken driver for the Intel gigabit ethernet chipset has been blamed -- though I haven't seen anything that conclusively says that this component is at fault. Other reports have come from people running faster G4s & PowerBooks, so if the Intel ethernet driver is a cause, it doesn't seem to be the only cause. All I can say personally is that my dual G4/450mhz is definitely messed up right now.

    The best remedy I've seen so far is to restore the pre-10.2.8 version of the AppleGMACEthernet ethernet driver. If you can -- and for most people it'll be too late for this advice to do any good -- make a backup of the .kext driver before updgrading to 10.2.8, then use that to rebuild is things go awry. For everyone else, your best bet is to download it from Andrew McPherson's MIT site, either by establishing a dialup connection, by booting into OS9 and getting it from there, or by grabbing it with another machine and transferring it to your broken Mac by e.g. a burned CD, a Zip disc, etc.

    Here are the repair steps, as slightly modified from McPherson's suggestion at Apple's site:

    mkdir ~/enet_backup
    cd ~/enet_backup
    wget http://web.mit.edu/apm/www/AppleGMACEthernet.tar.g z
    # note -- doing the above without network access is left
    # as an exercise for the reader. i happen to have a flash
    # card reader, so can transfer it that way, but I was
    # getting pretty desperate before that occurred to me.
    # others might want to try burning a CD, or getting
    # online from OS9, or a zip disc, or...
    # ...in any case, `wget` is about the only method that is
    # almost guaranteed NOT to work right now...

    cd /System/Library/Extensions
    sudo mv AppleGMACEthernet.kext ~/enet_backup
    sudo cp -r ~/enet_backup/AppleGMACEthernet.tar.gz .
    sudo tar -zxvf AppleGMACEthernet.tar.gz
    sudo chown -R root:wheel AppleGMACEthernet.kext
    cd ..
    sudo mv Extensions.kextcache ~/enet_backup/
    sudo mv Extensions.mkext ~/enet_backup/
    sudo shutdown -r now

    This advice is close to that which McPherson suggested, but he recommended deleting the broken driver, and the commands I give above make a backup just in case. If all goes well you may remove that ~/enet_backup directory, but I have a hunch that somehow you're going to have to end up re-installing it, so keeping a copy around seems prudent to me -- and it's not like it even takes up that much space (well under a megabyte).

    Other people have reported success with other solutions. One proposal was to run the command "ifconfig en0 media autoselect", but in my case that didn't work. Others have suggested rebooting, zapping the PRAM a few times, then letting the machine boot again; others have said that that didn't work either.

    Replacing the driver, as described above, seems to be the remedy that has had the most success for the most users -- but even still, it isn't working for everybody. In my case, it has allowed me to reconnect to my PPPoE/

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  12. 10.2.8 kernel panics with MOTU drivers by klez23 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have a MOTU 828 audio recording interface, and since i installed 10.2.8 this morning, i get a kernel panic every time i plug in the MOTU. Hope they get that one fixed in 10.2.(x|x>8)...

  13. No problems here by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Informative
    white 700mhz iBook, connected to the net with ethernet, no problems with connectivity or the system that I've seen so far. Also no problems on a dual 867 g4 mirrored doors which is connected via ethernet to DSL.

    I've used the ibook quite a bit since I updated it and everything seems fine so far. The battery indicator has the same problem someone else here mentioned of showing only half as much battery power as you would expect, but my battery has been flaky lately anyway due to another problem so I didn't attribute that to 10.2.8 until I read the comments about it. All in all, I'm having problems with these computers but I haven't noticed anything significant due to 10.2.8 yet. (keeping fingers crossed...)

  14. Problem on a G4 dual 867 mhz by Cleetus+Freem · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was downloading the update this morning (via Software Update), left the room, came back a few minutes later and my screen was blank...as if the machine were sleeping. Nothing would rouse it, however.
    I ssh'd in and tried killing various processes but nothing worked...couldn't even reboot!
    Only thing that worked was a hard restart (holding down the power button) and then running fsck a couple of times.
    Everything is OK now but that was most un-Apple like.

  15. Re:Cost my wife a day of her time! by mkldev · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hold down command-s at boot time. At the prompt:

    touch /testfile

    If this gives you an error that says that the filesystem is mounted read-only, then do:

    fsck_hfs /
    mount -uw /

    Now do:

    rm /testfile
    /usr/bin/update_prebinding -root / -force
    (wait a few minutes for a prompt)
    shutdown -r now

    And the applicaiton launch problems should be gone.

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  16. Re:Cost my wife a day of her time! by mkldev · · Score: 2, Informative
    Yes, I couldn't remember if it was read-write or read-only, so I didn't want to say "fsck -f /", and I didn't want to reboot my machine mid-message to find out.

    You're right that most of the time, Jaguar does do a prebinding fixup in the background when it something incorrectly prebound. That assumes that the prebinding isn't so badly hosed that it can't launch, however.

    At least in my case, when 10.2.2 (or was it 10.2.3) did this to me (after crashing during optimization), doing an update_prebinding fixed the problem. Whether it will help for the 10.2.8 early adopters or not, of course, is anybody's guess.

    As for the exit, updating prebinding does some scary stuff in the VM system. If it were me, I might continue booting, but giving advice to others, rebooting is a good idea. :-)

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  17. Revolution 7.1 by QuantumSpritz · · Score: 5, Informative

    DO NOT INSTALL IF YOU HAVE A REVOLUTION 7.1 SOUND CARD INSTALLED! The update disables the driver, because the .kext driver specifies a Darwin version below that of OS 10.2.8 I wonder what they'll call the 10.2.8 update when they re-release it? 10.2.8.1? This brings them awfully close to 10.3, and they usually roll some fixes in to the old OS when they release a new one.

  18. Re:Pulled? Wow. by Trillan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, they pulled System 7.5.4 after some problems were discovered with the updater. It barely made it into the market, though.

    I believe they also pulled one of the 10.1.x updates, but I can't remember which.

    I'm quite happy with 10.2.8. It finally fixed my USB!

  19. Re:Wacom problems by The_Grue · · Score: 3, Informative

    Turn it off. In the Bluetooth Preferences.

  20. M-Audio card owners: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    As you might have noticed, 10.2.8 killed your M-Audio Revolution. They posted an updated driver last night, and on my system at least, the card works again.

    If you want to know -
    G4 800 dual
    1.5 GB RAM
    GeForce 3 / ATI Radeon
    OS X 10.2.8
    M-Audio Revolution 7.1

    Get the update here...
    http://www.midiman.net/support/driversear ch.php

    jaz

  21. Re:new OpenSSH vulnerabilities? by johnjosephbachir · · Score: 3, Informative
    10.2.8 fixed the ssh vulnerability, even though the version number might not suggest it:

    $ ssh -V
    OpenSSH_3.4p1+CAN-2003-0693, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090609f

    "CAN-2003-0693" refers to the vulnerability.
  22. Found it!! by Sophrosyne · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/apple/Mac_O S_X/MacOSXUpdate10.2.8.dmg

  23. OpenSSH vulnerabilities not a likely reason by lars-o-matic · · Score: 2, Informative

    No indication of that in the articles (did you read them?) -- an Ethernet driver bug and boot problems on some models of Mac would be reason enough.

    Beside, why pull the update? Smarter to release a separate (much-smaller) openssh patch afterwards rather than hold back the entire, ~40 Mb 10.2.8 package.

    As a fellow dialer-up I feel your pain at the ever-larger updates. Fortunately, I have bandwidth at work and can bring home the standalone packages on a ZIP disk from an office Mac.

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