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Reliance On MS A Danger To National Security

An anonymous reader writes "A panel of leading security experts Wednesday blasted Microsoft for vulnerabilities in its software, and warned that reliance on the Redmond, Wash.-based developer's software is a danger to both enterprises and national security." (Even OpenBSD might be bad if it was the only game in town.) M : The report (pdf) makes good reading.

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  1. forget the fluff... by NumLk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the most important line in the article:
    "And simply patching the vulnerability--as Microsoft has increasingly had to do on the fly as vulnerabilities are disclosed--only exacerbates the problem."

    Finally someone realizes its not enough to just fix the problem, problems should be avoided in the first place! (I know, I know, easier said than done, {insert OS here} isn't perfect either).

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    1. Re:forget the fluff... by SkArcher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The entire strategy of MS (and for that matter closed source software as a whole) makes vulnerabilities more likely, more severe and harder to patch. While Open source DOES have issues, it is easier to fix (or even simply rewrite) things, right down to replacing large portions of the kernel if need be.

      The major difference between something that might go wrong and something that cannot possibly go wrong is that when something that cannot possibly go wrong eventually goes wrong it usually turns out to be almost impossible to get at or repair
      -Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy

      SkArcher

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    2. Re:forget the fluff... by NumLk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I partially agree. Without starting the world's largest flamefest, there have been very successful closed source OSs. Notably OS390 & 400. Granted, you paid an arm, leg, and reproductive organ for the privledge, and therefore they were never designed for the masses, but for their market they are very well designed, traditionally (although this is changing) closed source software.

      Oranges-to-oranges I do agree though, for the same machine, Open Source OSs do have security advantages.

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    3. Re:forget the fluff... by fuzzix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft have a "richer" history of patches not working/breaking previously working functions than any Open Source project I employ.
      They seem to test their patches the same way a headless chicken tests for the ground - "It's there, lets go!"
      As well as the ASAP patches, the maintenance patches, which have a greater time-span for testing, have occasionally been disasterous (NT SP 6)...
      My experience with OSS indicates to me a solid development method with a fast, reliable response to bugs/vulns. My experience with Microsoft is laughable at best.

  2. diversity by endx7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This article help explains very well why diversity in computers is a good thing.

    (It's harder for virus makers to affect more computers at once if less computers use the same OS)

    1. Re:diversity by OECD · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This article help explains very well why diversity in computers is a good thing.

      There are downsides as well: tougher administration, increased chance that any particular vulnerability will be present in your organization, etc.

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  3. The Real Problem Is... by airrage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find the argument against Microsoft as a problem for national security ringing a little hollow. First, The US government is a complete hodge-podge of computer systems, databases, technologies from various epochs; all of which is unfunded. In fact, the latest US CIO is not going to get the funding need to create a central IT.

    So the problem, as I see it, is that the US government has some severe, indemic, structual problems relating to IT policy which makes citizen privacy, national security, and proprietary knowledge at risk.

    Of course, put Microsoft on top of the quagmire and you've simply opened the door to the vault for every hacker in the known universe.

    I have a hard time blaming the problems of US IT policy on an OS; it's hard to fathom.

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    1. Re:The Real Problem Is... by twistedcubic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They probably just use the national security angle to get the government to listen. However, the fuzzy math and some of the recommendations in the PDF don't help their argument, in my opinion. Requiring MS to publish the interfaces to its software is what's needed, like they mention, but requiring MS to make "Office for Linux" is kinda useless, especially if it costs $300+, no one buys it, and the interfaces are not published. Both would work fine though, but requiring a compnay to produce a product no one would buy just won't fly.

    2. Re:The Real Problem Is... by Milo77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're not blaming the problems on an OS - they're blaming them on a lack of diversity. Bruce talks about this in his latest book, Beyond Fear. The topic of interest is called a "class break". The idea is that anytime you have a bunch of system sharing common security pieces you're increasing the chances that it will be attacked indirectly. For example, no one may be immediately interested in your secrets, but they might be interested in someone else's - and when that other system is attacked, yours is by indirection (since you share a common infrastructure). If the other system is compromised so is yours. The article was not about replacing windows with linux. It was about standards that would allow for a diverse universe of OSs. The security concept here is known as compartmentalization. If one type of OS is compromised, the others hopefully will not share enough in common such that they'd be compromised as well. Again, this was a call for more and better standards...

  4. The problem with monoculture by banky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (trying desperately to remember the quote from Ghost In The Shell)

    It's not Microsoft, specifically. The problem is monoculture. No matter what the dominant OS - Windows, Linux, Mac OS, BeOS - the number one guy gets picked on the most, and exploited the most. That creates weakness all the "trustworthy computing" in the world can't fix.

    What I fear is some kind of mathematical "reduction" of the problem. "OK," they'll say, "we'll mandate that 30% of stuff move to Linux". OK, great idea: which 30%? "Hmm, you're right. We'll say 10% of web servers, 10% of desktops, and 10% of back-end (DB, etc) stuff." Getting warmer: which 10% of the web servers? Which 10% of the DB servers? Can you get rid of some of your MSSQL on W2k and replace it with Sybase on Linux (easily, with not serious cost and porting problems)? Etcetera, etcetera. I call that "going nowhere fast".

    I guess what I'm trying to say here is, I don't really see how to undo the monoculture, when it is backed by 1)such amazing industry power and 2)such entrenched mindset. Figure out how to get people to seriously believe they can run Linux, or Mac, or whatever, and you've gone a long way to solving the problem; but isn't that what people like Microsoft are working just as hard to undo?

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    1. Re:The problem with monoculture by Isomer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While doing this within one organisational unit completely screws with your TCO (now instead of sitting smugly every time there is a Linux exploit, you now have to patch servers every time there is an exploit on Windows/Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD/....), having different departments or different companies have different distros.

      If you really need fault tolerance, having two redundant systems running different software is an excellent idea if you're willing to pay for that level of support.

      You can also avoid the monoculture effect by making your "strain" subtly different, for instance prelink lets you randomise the addresses in memory of dynamically loaded libraries making automated exploits harder (since all the addresses changed), or using something like gentoo where you compile everything from scratch with subtly different USE lines, or optimisations.

      Even recompiling your kernel with certain options can change the machine enough that common automated exploits won't work.

      This is why the proliferation of Linux distros are a good thing, you can have some level of diversity by installing different distros without getting so much diversity that you your support costs go through the roof.

      Portability of Linux means you can run Linux on intel and powerpc chips causing almost all automated exploits to fail, but only requiring a recompile as far as software is concerned. This can be a good solution for having two servers in a load balanced, failover cluster by having each server running on a different architecture.

      In general, Windows doesn't have these advantages, Windows isn't portable across platforms. Windows doesn't let you recompile large chunks of the OS with different options, Windows only has a limited range of "Editions" and different editions are usually unsuitable for running the same task. Windows is often lacking equivilent software (How many replacements for exchange are there? How many Linux MTA/MDA/MAA's are there?)

    2. Re:The problem with monoculture by mav[LAG] · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No matter what the dominant OS - Windows, Linux, Mac OS, BeOS - the number one guy gets picked on the most, and exploited the most.

      If only this applied to IIS. Not even nearly the dominant player and still defaced/cracked/prised open ten times more often than all the others put together. Defacement sites eventually stopped keeping mirrors of IIS hacks because there were so many.

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  5. No shit, Sherlock by Bistronaut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reports like this frighten me deeply. The possibility that people exist who don't already know that "operating system monoculture = bad" just boggles my mind. Of course, there are the people who do know this, and pretetnd not to (read "Microsoft, MCSEs, maybe government kick-back-takers"). Those people make me angry, but I think that we are in more danger from the first group (idiots) than the second (the willfully evil). OK - that was some good spleen-venting.

  6. Moncropping by phoneyman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree with the report authors that the monoculture of Microsoft is dangerous. Any one of us can see that, particularly after this exceedingly expensive summer, the MS monoculture we're enduring is costing us billions.

    However, I cannot agree with the recommendations that require MS to do this, that, and the other thing. Recommendations such as releasing Office for other platforms at the same time as for Linux and MacOS for example. The only recommendations I could see supporting would be those that explicitly break up the company into OS and application divisions - in order to shatter their monopoly.

    The recommendation that they must release their apps onto different platforms is, IMO, dangerous. It means that they will then unleash their "user friendly" nonsense on OSes such as Linux, and we'll end up with the absurdity of the Windows platform paradigm trying to seed its ugly crop of security problems in a new field instead.

    For National Security purposes Governments should insist on only using applications that they can also purchase the source code to. They should insist on using applications that are proven to be secure, not just popular. And they should insist that software companies be held liable for flaws that cost them security.

    Pierre

    1. Re:Moncropping by joe_plastic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that what the authors wanted to accomplish with requiring porting the apps to other platforms was to make MS be more modular in their programming practices. They talked a lot about monoculture but also adding featues and using "intergration" to enforce their monopoly position. Like :

      MS ... added complex code to it's OS not because of necessity but because it ties people to there platform. pg. 4
      Tight intergration ... violates core teaching of software engineering. pg. 13

      They made that suggestion to counter these concerns, I believe.
      Plus porting various apps to other platforms can help challenge some of it's assumptions. Like that /home/foo/my_documents/email_attach.jpg.exe can be executed.. /home/ might have been mounted noexec

    2. Re:Moncropping by G+Samsonoff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Under Microsofts "Government Security Program" (GSP), certain governements are allowed to fully inspect Windows source code. While this is in some ways a benefit, it also is in itself a huge security problem, since some of the countries that are included under this agreement are sure to be looking for vulnerabilities to exploit (see //zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-990526.html).

  7. Yes, but its going to change WHAT? by timelady · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't see companies suddenly rushing out to switch to Linux from this alone. The recent virii, worms, and trojans have had a cumulative effect, and this will add to it, but I can't see it making a difference on its own.

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  8. How about open standards? by RT+Alec · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree with the article's conclusions, but I am not sure I agree with their proposed remedies. I think the most appropriate thing to do (for a government) is to require the use of open protocols.

    For example, if the various departments and branches of the U.S. government would stop exclusively using MS Word as their ubiquitous document exchange format, that would make a big difference. Right now, if you want to do business with the U.S. government, you pretty much have to purchase and use MS Word. Then your office needs to purchase and use MS Word. Well, as long as your Washington office is using MS Word, I guess that field office that decided to save some money by using Word Perfect ought to "upgrade" to MS Word as well. Seems the import filters for Word Perfect don't quite get the latest version of MS Word just right.

    OK, you can use Open Office or Word Perfect to create your documents, but will the pagination, headers, footers, and other tid bits come out right? No. These software products cannot make a "perfect" MS Word file because they don't know how. Microsoft has not published the specs for such a file. When the import filters get close, the MS Word format (the default format that the latest version saves to) changes ever so slightly.

    How about the U.S. standardize on an open document format (egads-- not SGML but maybe even Microsoft's own RTF... anything!). Then, make sure their e-mail systems, VPN protocols, encryption formats, etc. remain based on open standards. Where Microsoft (and to be fair, others) "embrace and extend"... don't allow such non-standard extensions for dealings with the government.

  9. Copyrights - a danger to national security by argoff · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Any false property right is a danger to societies security. Just look at how slavery led to the civil war. Today many are betting trillions of dollars on a false premise, that works of knowledge can or should be owned without any understanding of what that implies. Because information is becomming so easy to copy, change, and manipulate - the "middle" gound is quickly evaporating, either all information will half to be controlled or none of it.

  10. Re:Oh really? by Strudelkugel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ed Black, the CEO and president of CCIA, whose members include Microsoft competitors such as Sun and Oracle, was even more blunt.

    Always like an unbiased opinion, too. Slow news day, I guess.

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  11. Because it has little to do with them. by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even with perfect administration the danger of monoculture exists.

    A single MS RPC exploit would make all machines vulnerable until patched.

    A single WMA buffer overflow makes all machines vulnerable until patched.

    No matter how perfect, the problem isn't the administrators, but the monoculture. If one in 3 machines was Mac, and one in 4 were Linux, you'd have enough diversity that a virus would slow down drastically enough to be contained.

    1. Re:Because it has little to do with them. by Sxooter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please note that the machines do not suddenly become vulnerable when the vulnerability is first reported. The vulnerability was there from the beginning, and may well have been exploited long before publication.

      I.e. the fact that MS is fairly quick to patch doesn't get them a free right, the fact that they produce an OS with so many vulnerabilities means that someone, somewhere, right now, is being hacked via a vulnerability they don't know they have, and since MS OSes tend to have more than their fair share of remotely expoitable vulnerabilities, AND there are scads of those machines around, it is far more likely than not that the box being hacked as we speak, is a MS box.

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  12. News must come a little late for the State Dept. by ejaw5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    http://www.iht.com/articles/111195.html

    WASHINGTON A virus seriously disrupted computer systems at the State Department this week, including the database for checking every visa applicant for terrorist or criminal history. The failure left the government unable to issue visas worldwide for nine hours.

    The virus, which struck Tuesday, crippled the department's Consular Lookout and Support System, which contains more than 15 million records from the FBI, the State Department and immigration, drug enforcement and intelligence agencies. Among the names are those of at least 78,000 terror suspects.

    A State Department spokesman said the virus, known as Welchia, did not affect any data on the name-checking system, and the agency's classified computer network - used to send its most sensitive messages and files - was not affected.

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  13. Re:It's About Time by connsmythe96 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    China doesn't seem to be falling for this. They're probably the closest thing to an enemy I can think of that can actually afford enough computers to make it worth hacking into them.

    How many computers was Iraq's government relying on? (that's a serious question, I really don't know)

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  14. Re:Here we go again! by feldsteins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some people persist in saying that Windows isn't less secure, it's just a bigger target! Just today someone forwarded this to me from a David Pogue column in the New York Times. Sorry I don't have a link.

    ***

    I also wrote that Mac OS X and Linux are virus-free because
    they offer virus writers a much smaller "audience" than
    Windows -- a notion that's been much repeated in the press,
    most recently last week's BusinessWeek cover story.

    That, as it turns out, is a myth, no matter who repeats it.
    There's a much bigger reason virus writers don't like Mac OS
    X and Linux.

    "Unix [which underlies Mac OS X] and Linux ARE more secure,"
    wrote one reader. "They have been developed, open-source
    style, by people who know exactly what they are doing. Unix
    and Linux have had at least 10 years of battling hackers to
    better themselves. This leads to an extremely secure
    environment."

    Many of you also pointed out simple design decisions that
    make Mac OS X and Linux much more secure than Windows XP.

    For example:

    * Windows comes with five of its ports open; Mac OS X comes
    with all of them shut and locked. (Ports are back-door
    channels to the Internet: one for instant-messaging, one for
    Windows XP's remote-control feature and so on.) These ports
    are precisely what permitted viruses like Blaster to
    infiltrate millions of PC's. Microsoft says that it won't
    have an opportunity to close these ports until the next
    version of Windows, which is a couple of years away.

    * When a program tries to install itself in Mac OS X or
    Linux, a dialog box interrupts your work and asks you
    permission for that installation -- in fact, requires your
    account password. Windows XP goes ahead and installs it,
    potentially without your awareness.

    * Administrator accounts in Windows (and therefore viruses
    that exploit it) have access to all areas of the operating
    system. In Mac OS X, even an administrator can't touch the
    files that drive the operating system itself. A Mac OS X
    virus (if there were such a thing) could theoretically wipe
    out all of your files, but wouldn't be able to access anyone
    else's stuff -- and couldn't touch the operating system
    itself.

    * No Macintosh e-mail program automatically runs scripts
    that come attached to incoming messages, as Microsoft
    Outlook does.

    Evidently, I'm not the only columnist to have fallen for
    this old myth; see
    http://www.sunspot.net/technology/custom/plug gedin /bal-mac082803,0,1353478.column
    for another writer's more technical apology. But the
    conclusion is clear: Linux and Mac OS X aren't just more
    secure because fewer people use them. They're also much
    harder to crack right out of the box
    ***

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  15. I wonder if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...it would cost less for the government to rent all that juicy unused fibre all-across america and build a large private intranet.You want security?Well disconnecting from the internet would be a good start.

    JaredSyn.

  16. Re:Other OS's Much Better? by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To think that problems won't be found in any large software project at some point is, I think niave. The point however is one of culture and scale
    1) Microsoft's OS is ubiquitous.
    2) Its a user-friendly desktop OS which people plug straight into the Internet
    3) You have no choice but to wait for Windows Update to supply you with a patch for any holes
    4) Everything is intigrated to such an extent that a hole in one part can lead to exploits system wide and patches can just as easily break one thing as they fix another

  17. Re:It's About Time by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This isn't a government report, it's an industry report

    With Bush in office, what's the difference?

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  18. Re:Here we go again! by gothicpoet · · Score: 2, Insightful
    And as we all know, Microsoft works hard to make sure that everything seems as "eeeeaaaassyyy" as possible to the bosses upstairs to that they'll buy and STANDARDIZE on Microsoft products.

    For reference, look at the recent discussion here about all ATM's moving to a hacked down version of Windows because it would be compatible with the rest of the banks' networks.

    Microsoft is a company. It's reason to be is profits... as much profits as possible. Just like every other company.

    The problem is that they are too good at corralling all the business. (Someone somewhere is going to blow a gasket at the idea that could be a bad thing -- "Free Marketeers, unite!")

    We sometimes look at this as though Microsoft's goal is to make the best operating system. That's only true as long as you define that in terms of whatever will get the most only marginally clueful management folk to swing the business in Microsoft's direction.

    I think Microsoft feels that it's only in their best interests to provide the most security in their OS that they can as long as it contributes to the bottom line. If it comes to a choice between making things "easy" to sway the business, and making things more "secure", the choice has always gone with the money. They don't really have to make a truly secure operating system because they get the business through marketing tricks without going to the extra trouble.

    And of course, once they have an iron grip on one market, they look for any way they can to use it to drop a hammer on competition in the next market they set their sites on.

    This is why we have anti-trust laws. They are the check-and-balance of capitalism. There *is* such a thing as being too good at creating a profit. There's a point where you haven't *explicitly* broken any laws but you've driven the competition out and there's no incentive for you to produce good products because you're now in a position to create barriers to entry so high that no one can challenge you.

    Unless the newborn competition can wish on a genie's magic lamp and instantly have equivalent marketing muscle to the company that already has a monopoly. Uh... yeah... right... that's going to happen. At that point, the market doesn't fix things anymore. A new set of rules apply.

    Writing papers to point out the fact that a monopoly is bad hasn't worked so well for anyone so far. This isn't the first one published.

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  19. This is easy to fix by silconous · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just don't let Microsoft Computers connect to the internet directly With properly placed firewalls there shouldn't be a problem

  20. Re:"Linux most attacked server" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That study showed Linux was the most breached-by-humans (rather than automated worms) OS on computers known to be doing web server duty on the net. But Linux/Apache is actually more popular than MS/IIS as web servers on the net, and the breached-by-humans figures were in line with their proportional market shares, with a slightly higher proportional breaching for MS/IIS !.

    The millions of automated-worm-infected MS client PCs that have been filling my inbox with 150k mails (thank god for delete-on-server!) over the past few days were completely ignored.

    Remember, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics...

  21. Overstating Their Case by Rimbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have a good point here, because the point was ringing in my ears as I read the report.

    On the one hand, it is true that the combination of Windows' lack of interoperability, closed-source nature, tight integration, and near-monopoly status make it uniquely qualified to spread damaging viruses quickly, better than other operating systems. If you don't take great consideration to how you set up your IT infrastructure, you're going to get burned.

    As you say, the problem is ultimately one of policy, not technology. If you know what you're dealing with, if you know what you're doing, you can establish and enforce policies in your IT infrastructure that prevent the spread of viruses. Every time a virus strikes, we hear about it from the ones that don't. We aren't hearing about the places that haven't had problems. They are out there!

    Is Windows adoption by itself a danger to national security? Hardly. Bad IT policy is, regardless of OS. So when a group like this overstates their case, it really damages the valid point that Windows IS more difficult than other OSes, that certain things about Windows DO make it dangerous to adopt by a government.

    I'd rather hear them talking in more moderate and modest terms. Making overblown claims that aren't easily and obviously supported by the evidence is going to make people think that the pro-OSS/anti-Windows folks are a bunch of frickin' loonies when the slightest bit of investigation can find flaws in the claims.

  22. why doesn't Microsoft do a better job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Seriously.

    I read a lot of folks saying that "any OS will have problems". Sure, that's true to some extent.

    However think about this: Microsoft code is on 90+% of all the systems out there. Your doctor. Your lawyer. Homeland security. The bank. Your friends. Everybody that does anything important with your life is probably using Windows to do it. That means Microsoft has a HUGE responsibility to society. It goes beyond the responsibility that Apple or IBM or anybody else has.

    And think about this: Microsoft has vast capital. Imagine it: one billion dollars (barely a scratch in microsoft's bank account) could pay ONE THOUSAND developers ONE MILLION dollars apiece to find security holes. That's just one example.

    And finally this: there IS software that is more secure. OpenBSD and qmail are two examples.

    Put these things together and you'll realize just how ashamed Microsoft should be. How on earth can a company with so many resources, so many PhDs and billions of dollars, and so many customers fall so short on security? Why do people say with a straight face that this enormous company is "just the same as Linux/BSD/Mac" in terms of security?

    Microsoft should be FAR AHEAD of all these other companies in terms of security and quality code. The best they can do is Palladium, which locks everything down completely?

    THere are several possible explanations:

    1) microsoft is incompetent. (I don't believe this one.)

    2) paying through the nose for software doesn't buy you anything. Infinite resources can't improve software. You might as well use free software. (I kinda believe this one myself).

    3) Microsoft is playing a game, knowing exactly what they are doing at every step. They know not to give their customers any more than the bare minimum to keep them as customers, and not one feature more. They know that if software quality legislation is passed, only they have the resources to survive. So they hang tight and hide behind the EULAs. (This is probably the real reason).

    So what do we do?? We better do something FAST before the government steps in.

  23. You're underestimating them by nomad_monster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would usually be the first to jump on the bandwagon here, especially since the US Govt/Bureaucracy is notoriously stupid/slow/inefficient. However, I do know a few things.

    1. Information which has military and security significance is not kept on Microsoft based computers. And before you go off and say that this VISA system contains top secret information, or whatever....first, this system isnt internet connected. Second, this worm was probably introduced via poor security practices. Third... BIG F*CKIN DEAL...so your cousin cant get his visa issued for a few days. Like I said, this is not a critical system, and they just send everyone back home, and new visas are able to be issued in a few days. If nothing else, we should be happy this happened, as it reiterates the security problems in Microsoft's OS. The high level thinkers here aren't idiots, far from it. Remember, the government employees you interact with on a daily basis aren't necessarily representative of the intellect on high.

    2. There is a good general practice of not connecting these networks together. Not only that, but anyone slightly familiar with places like the NSA and CIA will tell you that there are separate networks for classified, secret, and top secret. Even when these computers all sit on the same desk, they are not allowed to move information between them, since there is theoretical possibility of data leakage.

    3. Anything deemed secret or higher is run on things like virtual vault, trusted HPUX or Solaris. NSA has some stuff with Linux, but this isnt widespread yet.

    Remember, the big thinkers in the Govt, arent in the fucking post office, VA, IRS, etc...

    Geez people, do you think we got this far by being a nation of morons. Why do most wealthy foreign nationals send their kids here to the US to be educated?

  24. Re:What monoculture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Windows XP Professional - normal XP
    Windows XP Home Edition - XP with features crippled
    Windows XP Media Center Edition - XP with media player 9 as the shell
    Windows XP Tablet PC Edition - stripped down kernel

    Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition
    Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition
    Windows Server 2003, Datacenter Edition - These are all the same OS with features disabled
    Windows Server 2003, Web Edition
    Windows Small Business Server 2003

    Windows 2000 Professional
    Windows 2000 Server - all the same OS
    Windows 2000 Advanced Server

    Windows 2000 Datacenter Server - 2000 with memory hacks (PAE)

    Windows Me
    Windows 98 - all the same OS (you forgot 98SE)
    Windows 95

    Windows NT Workstation
    Windows NT Server - same OS

  25. Overall contribution of SSH is huge by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    SSH is amazing. Sure, I have to block it at the router at the moment, pending updates, but are you really considering it a net disadvantage? I'd say the presence of OpenSSH in the *nix world (and it's fine port Putty for win32) is a huge plus.

    The equivalent in win32 is to throw a bunch of poorly implemented and largely documented controls at the world and let the kiddies run wild. A big piece of the evolution of windows is the increase in ways for strangers to do stuff to your machine. Dcom? What the hell is that? Why is it running? Why does it take a registry hack to eliminate it?

  26. Re:News must come a little late for the State Dept by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We hear about this kind of thing constantly, from around the world (remember those two mainframes stolen from that Australian airport a couple weeks ago.) And every time they say something like "... while the computers involved were important, no confidential information was exposed or affected by the attack." Baloney. If they were so important then something valuable was stolen. Tip of the iceberg time, my friends. I think that information theft on a Biblical scale is going on all around us, from stealing actual computers to remote exploits ... we just hear about the ones that the media happens to cotton onto, and that only because the people doing it were clumsy enough to leave traces. The bulk of this theft goes unmentioned (and probably unnoticed as well ... the best system compromise is one that flies under the radar, leaving the victims blissfully unaware that it ever happened.)

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  27. Actions Not Words ! by burdicda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    47 billion dollars Cash
    Greater than 95% of the desktop market
    A greater monopoly than Al Capone
    Security is their number one priority

    BULLSHIT!

    What a bunch o losers LOL

  28. Re:Computer Security 101 by tuba_dude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you're accurate on most of your points, but which incarnation of windows are you talking about? 95/98 both have multi-user capabilites kludged on, meaning everyone is admin. I'm not sure about 2000, but on XP, when new users are created, they default to admin status. Microsoft's got some responsibility there. Maybe not all, but that is still a problem.

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  29. Re:Is it really even that bad? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Long distance communications during wars before the internet used various means of encryption to keep national secrets secure. Why can't they do the same for electronic communications?

    And there is no way to prosecute modern warfare with a sneakernet.

    Real-time imagery, intel, decisions, and targeting cannot happen without real-time communications.
    The ability of the Chiefs in the Pentagon to see exactly what a tank commanders sees is invaluable. And for them to tell him that there are in fact enemy tanks just over the next rise, and in what direction they are moving.

    Cannot do that unless the two are directly connected and passing data back and forth.

  30. Bad enough on MS by AJWM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    this situation would pertain to any other OS if 90% of machines were using the same OS

    Yes and no. For example, I'm running the same OS (SuSE Linux) on several of my machines, but they're not a monoculture: one's a Sparc, one's a PPC, the rest are x86s. Of the latter, no two are running the same set of services, nor necessarily the same executable for the same service on different machines.

    The former (different architectures) isn't even possible with MS (not since NT4, anyway), and the latter (different apps for the same service) is discouraged by the OS vendor. (Sure, some folks are probably running Apache on Windows instead of IIS -- but why not just swap out the OS while you're at it.)

    The fact is that no other OS is likely to be the sort of monoculture that Windows presents even with a 90% share, for the reasons outlined above (not to mention the differences introduced by the different distro vendors). It'll be close enough for applications that the user wants to install, but tough for viruses and worms that have to be tweaked to target different holes in each's armor.

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  31. Re:It's About Time by Meshach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why should the government have the responsibility of cleaning up ms?! MS should clean themselves up or people should switch to alternatives for critical systems

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  32. Re:Computer Security 101 by jakupovic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously you do not deal with real world where a cracker will create a tool to infect Linux and then spread to Windows or vice versa. Crackers are getting better every day, today's script kiddie might be an uberhax0r of tommorow.

    The point is don't whine about such and such thing being better because there is less damage. Such reasoning will get us into another bind in a few years, instead lets get some answers make things better.

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  33. Re:It's About Time by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. If you think that Unix is such a great security architecture take a look at the C language and the APIs in the standard C runtime. The buffer overun problem was almost non existent before C. Fortran, Algol and even Basic always supported array bounds checking (OK some fortrans made you turn it on). Then along came C with the loosey goosey null terminated strings and array pointers without bounds specifiers.

      The APIs of the standard C runtime are not much better, look at the way that functions like atoi signal that the user gave invalid input (they don't). I just spent an hour chassing down a bug in some code I wrote that turned out to be due to a math overflow when multiplying two integers. Fortunately I caught the problem because I had some assertions set up to check for wierd results. But every other language would have signalled a math overflow.

    But before C came along operating systems and OS utilities (editors, compilers, ...) were written in assembler. C did not really change things much as it is effectively a machine independent assembler - with all the power and speed, but all of the pitfalls. Having the compiler check array bounds slows run time speed. It can all be done properly in C, it just needs a bit more work.

    A lot of the problem is poor programming. Some of it is due to bad coders, much of it due to commercial pressures (get it out to market quickly). The result is that many programmers don't check the result of system calls, array bounds, etc.

  34. Re:An interesting factor highlighted by the report by temojen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My drivers license test did not involve changing brake disks or inspecting the steering rack for wear. Did yours?