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Nintendo Creates Piracy-Proof Console For China

Thanks to Bloomberg for their story discussing Nintendo's announcement of a new console for China, apparently based on N64 technology. According to the article, "Nintendo will sell the console, called the 'iQue player' for 498 yuan ($60)... To prevent copying... users will download software onto a 64-megabyte flash-memory card at a local [retail] store, paying 48 yuan for each title" - a little like the Lawson partnership Nintendo had in Japan? The piece goes on to explain: "Nintendo will sell Chinese-language versions of software originally designed for the company's older-generation game players such as Nintendo 64."

47 comments

  1. Piracy-Proof by Selfbain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love it when they claim something is piracy-proof.

    I give it a week.

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    1. Re:Piracy-Proof by n0wak · · Score: 1, Funny

      I hope you didn't give the GameCube "a week". With analysis like that, you'd be a great partner for poker night.

    2. Re:Piracy-Proof by elite+lamer · · Score: 1

      Sure, like Nintendo's current console, Gamecube. Yep, that was hacked in about five days. It's so easy to pirate games and run them on your Gamecube...so easy that I've already done it twice today!

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    3. Re:Piracy-Proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, kind of like how it's currently not possible to burn GameCube disc images, which are only now surfacing because of an exploit in a third-party developed game (from Sega, no less).

      A week my ass. The GameCube is more than halfway down its lifespan, with Nintendo already prepping its console successor, and no pirates have been able to crack the Cube. Nintendo knows what they are doing.

      And no, nothing is piracy-proof, but the Cube has proven that you only have to be piracy-proof long enough for it to matter.

    4. Re:Piracy-Proof by Selfbain · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I could've sworn that I had read about pirated copies being made using a DVD writer of some kind. Ah well whatever, I was thinking of the claims that DVD's were piracy-proof.

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    5. Re:Piracy-Proof by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      NOTHING is piracy proof. I mean hell, they figured the cartridge systems would be, and then someone came up with a disk based device that plugged into the cartridge slot. VOILA! Instant free games.

      I mean hell, Nintendo chose a proprietary format for Gamecube games, and those have been cracked (though as of the moment, they can't be played, but they've been copied.)

    6. Re:Piracy-Proof by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1

      Gamecube games have not been copied. People have been able to get the data off the disks, which is a totally different thing.

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    7. Re:Piracy-Proof by Matrix272 · · Score: 1

      And no, nothing is piracy-proof...

      I found a console that's 100% completely, absolutely, and permanently piracy proof! It's called the Phantom! It's piracy proof because it doesn't, and never will exist! Try to crack THAT protection...

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  2. I want one! by Pink_Robot · · Score: 1

    It's too bad this is only coming out in China. I've thought that something like this would have serious potential for a while. I would gladly pay $50 for even a Super Nintendo and $5 each for some of the better games for it. I realize you can buy a system on eBay and elswhere for cheaper than that, but the good games aren't there. If this were released on a wider scale, I'll bet it could make some good money, especially if it had the best of N64 + SNES + NES. So many great games for so little!

    1. Re:I want one! by wcbarksdale · · Score: 1
      Nintendo is managing to do quite well, oddly enough, with its $30 Game Boy games that are direct ports of old Mario (NES/SNES) games. I've already bought most of those games twice...

      There's also the e-reader, a Game Boy gadget that reads packs of cards you can buy for about $5 that have old NES games (like Donkey Kong Jr. or Tennis) on them.

      Also WarioWare is a fairly recent GBA game that involves playing hundreds of little games. So Nintendo is following similar strategies in many places.

  3. Re:Nintendo is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mac games? What kind of parallel-universe China have YOU been visiting?

    (That's not a dig at the Mac, or at China, but the fact is that the Mac is not quite popular in that country.)

  4. It's still thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If this were released on a wider scale, I'll bet it could make some good money, especially if it had the best of N64 + SNES + NES. So many great games for so little!

    If you want to play SNES+SNES+Genesis+SMS etc games:

    1. Buy a used Dreamcast for $40 or so.
    2. www.dcemulation.com.
    3. Got a good NNTP client?
    4. Burn
    5. Play
    6. Support the companies (the ones that still exist, at least) by buying their current products (since the morons aren't set up to receive payment for electronic versions of discontinued products).

    1. Re:It's still thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or he could just use the computer he posted the comment on. SNES and Genesis emulators work quite well even on a Pentium 3.

  5. Dumb Idea? by Prien715 · · Score: 1

    If the problem with piracy is rampant, as Nintendo thinks it is, why would people buy a console that's designed around piracy prevention? Since software piracy is legal in China, why not buy a PS2 and burn games for a couple cents each?

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    1. Re:Dumb Idea? by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Because they won't sell anything else. If you want to play a Nintendo title, then you're going to BUY it.

      I agree that there are other consoles to switch to, but that doesn't realy mean it'll effect Nintendo's sales.

      You see, Nintendo is to Sony as kumquats are to watermelons. Just because watermelons are larger doesn't mean everyone is going to stop buying kumquats...

      ...unfortunately I've lost track of the point I was trying to make, but I hope you'll agree that both kumquats and watermelons have their seasons, and that either or both make a fine addition to any table. </DrScience>
      =Smidge=

    2. Re:Dumb Idea? by WuWarrior · · Score: 1

      In Asia piracy is very rampant. In some countries, the piracy rate is close to 100%. It's much harder to find a legit copy than a pirated one.

    3. Re:Dumb Idea? by AllenChristopher · · Score: 1

      Because entry price is absolutely critical in China. The PS2 is mind-blowingly expensive to the rural Chinese. They're in that mental space you were in back in the 80s where you were willing to buy an NES and play Super Mario three hundred times, because it was a video game, god damn it, and you'd never had one.

    4. Re:Dumb Idea? by Sits · · Score: 2

      why not buy a PS2 and burn games for a couple cents each?

      Because they won't be translated into Chinese. I'm sure Sony doesn't like ignoring such a large market but since they make a loss on the console it is very unattractive market to spend money on given that profits come from selling games (which you pointed out will only be pirated).

      It looks like Nintendo is willing to go to the effort of translation since they are confident that they have eliminated the piracy problem (whether the whole unpiratable part turns out to be true is anyone's guess though).

  6. Re:Nintendo is dead by Hedonist123 · · Score: 1
    What, the mac has games?!?! Those Chinese kids definitely know something that I don't.

    By the way, Nintendo is not dead. I won't get into the arguments (profits on the consoles, GBA, piles of stored cash) because they've been done to death here. Of course, I'm not totally aware of the situation in China, but I have a hard time believing that the X-Box is just blowing it away there, or Microsoft would have some loaded press release out about it and the death of Nintendo there.

    hed.

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  7. Re:Nintendo is dead by BurgEnder · · Score: 1

    Having spent a significant time in both China and HK for my company, I can assure you that the mainstream of gaming over there takes place on MegaDrive and Super Famicom "clones". Fanboy-ism rears it's ugly head once again.

  8. Famicom Disk System by shoptroll · · Score: 1

    So its the Famicom Disk System Mk 2?

    Interesting... Of course they won't get the really good games, cause the biggies like Ogre Battle 64 are kinda on the large size

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    1. Re:Famicom Disk System by Bagels · · Score: 1

      Yes they will. The largest size carts available for the N64 were 64MB (such as Resident Evil 2), the same size as the flash memory used in the iQue player. Ogre Battle 64 itself was indeed one of the larger carts, though not 64MB; however, I would be more worried about the chip technology, because the cartridge included a special chip for decompressing sprites, which a flash card can't replicate.

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  9. Umm, names been taken by redune45 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gamin has had a line of iQue GPS enabled PDAs for a little while now, check out the link

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    1. Re:Umm, names been taken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a Japanese company selling a device in China. They won't bring it here, so I don't think there's going to be a problem.

  10. In other news... by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
    ...GameCube usage in China drops 400%

    1. Re:In other news... by code_echelon · · Score: 1

      400% thats quite a bit, maybe they will start giving them away for free. I would like that cause I always like new toys and I damn sure wouldn't buy one. Also if they do can you tell me how I can burn those mini disc games that the game cube uses.

  11. stop piracy how? by evilWurst · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not seeing how writing to flash cards would stop piracy. If they're already mass producing copied hardware and software, what's to stop them from reverse engineering the custom flash card writer? What's to stop the pirates from running a business selling the service of writing games to your card for 50 cents each?

    Hell, this might make it *easier* to pirate by making it all digital. Customer supplies all the equipment, pirate vendor downloads all the games, and the flash writer is probably cheaper than a cd burner and stockpile of CDs, too. They wouldn't need to haul a cart full of CDs around, just a laptop.

    1. Re:stop piracy how? by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      They will probably encrypt the stuff.

      Nobody has found the key to the Xbox yet. If people are going to be able to copy and run the software, it will be via some hack or weakness in the software/hardware.

      I'd imagine each card to have a special hard-coded ID that would be imprinted on the game image when it's written to the thing. All encrypted on the fly by the store's machine.

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  12. Picture? Details? by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1

    I can't find anything on this console except for the foggy details we see here. Anyone?

    1. Re:Picture? Details? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found a render here, but obviously this could change before release. Different than I expected, too bad it lacks four controller ports like the N64 had. Goldeneye won't be the same without.

    2. Re:Picture? Details? by gamgee5273 · · Score: 1
      Ahhh...you know, that redirect crap doesn't work for those of us who pay attention to the URLs before we click, Sparky.

      Go link up with that port and knock yourself out.

  13. Re:Nintendo is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nicely done, troll...hook, line, sinker

  14. Mod parent up! by Kethinov · · Score: 1

    Great post, AC no less. Piracy protection is not about perma protection, its about the here and now. As you said GC has been unpirated for how long now? Long enough. If it were pirated literally a week after release they wouldn't have made nearly as much money as they have. Despite the fact that GC isn't the most popular of the consoles, it's still made a crapload of money in retrospect.

    Putting this in perspective, I'm an emu enthusiast and a rabid pirate. I would love to see a GC emulator along with a solid way to rip the disks so I can actually play the damn games =P

    But alas, Touche Nintendo; you're anti piracy efforts are the most valiant of all console makers indeed.

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  15. why not the gamecube? by Sarin · · Score: 1

    it's not been cracked yet, right?

    1. Re:why not the gamecube? by M3wThr33 · · Score: 1

      Well, the main reason is price-point. N64 games are smaller and fit on encrypted flashcards easier.

      And as for the other posts with mine, every "crack" of a console has to work BOTH ways. Meaning a way to emulate it on something else and a way to play simple media on the actual device.

      When a news release for a disc browser is big, you know any sort of EITHER-WAY piracy is a ways off.

      On top of that all, you'd need the Panasonic/Matsushita Q($500), which is the only Cube device that takes DVD media directly.

  16. Actually... by Sits · · Score: 3, Informative

    The custom DVD format the Gamecube uses has been broken and in a manner Nintendo is unlikely to be able to block. Take a look at the fledling GC home brew scene on Dexrose.

    1. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but can they write the custom dvds? I didn't see anything like that there. GCN isnt really cracked if you cant run burned games.

  17. I find it hard to believe.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    .... any statement of a console being secure against piracy when the words 'download' & 'flash cartridge' are in the same article.

    It'll just take time.

  18. Not really.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The emulators exist (they just don't claim to play anything other than home brew).

    If you've got the emulator, and as you claim, the data, what else is there?

    Just because you can't outright copy the disc doesn't mean it isn't piracy.

    1. Re:Not really.... by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1

      Piracy means, basically, being able to buy / download counterfeit software, and play it in my console with a minimum of hassle. Running homebrew software on an emulator does not constitute piracy, I think.

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    2. Re:Not really.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't claim to run anything but homebrew because they can't run anything but homebrew. Not yet, anyway. Running disk images is a long way off, and running copied games on the original hardware (which, as the other poster said, is the true definition of piracy) is also a long time coming.

  19. read between the lines... by AzraelKans · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The reason why ordinary people (not devoted hackers that can crack it, download it, burn it themselves mind you) buy pirated instead of original software is because is substantially cheaper. However they know this comes with a degrade in quality (no manual, no internet key, no license, etc) what if a company was able to sell their original software at almost the same price than pirated somehow? per example what about if Nintendos next console (or handheld) came with dvd-rws (or other kind of recording device) that could be recorded at your favorite store? additionally you could get a licence, guarantee and a printed manual? for lets say $10?
    Maybe Nintendo is using this as a testbed for such a system before launching it at a bigger scale.
    Piracy wouldnt be stopped (thats practically impossible) but it would be seriously hampered though

    Reading between the lines this idea is not so bad, I hope though they are considering the testbed they've choosen is bound not to succesful since the software they are "protecting" has already been pirated "ad-nauseum" before. This has a much better chance to succeed with new software that users can freshly obtain at a much better price with a marginal difference to pirated.

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  20. Why not just sell the Gamecube? by goldcd · · Score: 1

    It's current US retail is $99 (not that much more). It's had the greatest success of piracy protection of any console in the last decade and they're got warehouses full of the damn things. Surely the production costs of the actual disks can't be that high (and if you're tapping the chinese market you could easily justify a fab plant for them there).

  21. Re:Nintendo is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought you were supposed to post troll comments anonymously. Not that I do that, but I assumed that's just how it worked. You know, so nobody knows who's making the idiotic comments.

  22. PARENT HAS GOATSE LINK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just a warning. Man, I think I saw the backs of his molars.