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Linux Kernel 2.6.0-test6 Released
lamont116 writes "The latest in the series of beta kernels was just released by the fine folks who have given us Linux. Enjoy!" The Changelog has a hefty 240K of miscellaneous changes... LWN has an overview of the updates.
Well, since most likely some varation of the 2.6 kernel will be out when Longhorn is released, this puts Linux in a good position with 2.6's better memory management and IDE support and whatnot...
- Linux Kernel 2.6.0-test6 (full) [32MB]
- Linux Kernel 2.6.0-test6 (patch only) [1MB]
It still seems wrong to improve performance through a Slashdotting, but the more the merrier!UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
I expect Arjan to have updated Red Hat packages soon at http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/
p age=kernel for the information for making these kernels work on RHL.
Remember though that some things have changed between 2.4 and 2.6 that can't just be worked around by installing new packages. (USB module names, some mount points, that kind of thing.) If you want a clean boot you will have to change some of the init scripts, and this will break booting 2.4. So it's a bit all or nothing at the moment, and I recommend people who aren't convinced it will do everything they need it to do (I couldn't get my network card working under 2.6) stay on 2.4 until it's released proper.
Check out http://thomer.com/linux/migrate-to-2.6.html and http://www.fearthecow.net/index.pl?section=guest&
Actually, while I can hardly wait for 2.6.x to stabalize for many reasons, desktop use is not one of them.
2.6.x will being some very real improvements, but in the big picture of where gnu/linux is still lacking on the desktop, linux (the kernel) isn't really one of the problems.
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It does make Linux more responsive on the desktop too, although many of the performance improvements will be most noticeable to those running clusters.
Since you tried out a development kernel you seem to be a developer or at least part of quality assurance. Therefor you are not allowed to ignore bugs like that and go back to the working version. Instead you have to find out the source of the problem, write a nice bug report and file it. For sheer hard work supply a fix as well.
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Is there someone except me who is missing ataraid? Yes, i know those are crap etc. but i am using one with my Abit KT7A-Raid (HPT370). I guess it got lost somwhere in the 2.5 kernel tree, but it looks like noone feels responsible for that.
I mean 2.4 is not bad at all but i also want to test the new features / performance of the 2.6 kernel series.
BTW.: Is Someone with experiences in original Highpoint drivers in here? If, could you tell me sth. about performance and stability?
No, you don't need to be using Gentoo.
I had that problem with -test1. Got around it by turning off ACPI support.
Since you tried out a development kernel you seem to be a developer or at least part of quality assurance. Therefor you are not allowed to ignore bugs like that and go back to the working version. Instead you have to find out the source of the problem, write a nice bug report and file it.
If I had the time at the moment to find the source of the problem, I would... However, that's not an option today. I have, however, sent along a nice bug report describing the problem and my system configuration.
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On the contrary one of my biggest complaints with the desktop currently is the complete lack of responsiveness when doing any CPU intensive processes and choppy media because I'm doing something else at the same time and it takes too long for the CPU to get back to noatun. The 2.6 kernel will be a significant boost to linux usability on the desktop.
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the newer -mm patches (for -test4 and -5) are supposed to fix this. These are the Andrew Morton kernels, you can find them under /pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm IIRC. They also claim to fix the "make RPM" target (haven't tried that one myself yet tho).
/dev/hda losing its interrupt. I switched off ACPI and all power management since I default to 24x7 SMP use.
Might want to have a look at those, since he's the next "stable" maintainer.
Also (In reply to a previous post) I had similar probs with
Yes, some rc script hacking is required.
Overall: this stuff blows my mind, I thought just SMP was fast when it came out, but this is in another league. FWIW, my base system is RH9 with updates from RH.
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When will we ever see LVM-support out-of-the-box in the default kernel ?
They're fast to adress common problems of today, like SMP, hence they don't seem to find the use for LVM that UN*X's did 10 years ago...
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I've just switched from -test5 to -test6, and the difference is remarkable.
Xmms doesn't skip, Mozilla doesn't snag, even during a kernel compile and SETI@Home running in the background.
Looks like Con Kolivas's interactivity patches are definitely something.
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Two weeks ago I paid SCO compliance fee for the 2.4 kernel. If I download and use the new edition, would that entail another $699, would it be free, or is there some upgrade fee somewhere in the middle?
I decided to play around with the 2.6.0 tests after the last release (test5). After a bit of effort, I got nearly everything working except for wavetable MIDI support with my SB Live! card. Rather irritating, since it can't seem to create /dev/sequencer properly (and I had it working just fine with the alsa driver module in 2.4.x).
Otheriwse, things run smoothly with occasional bugs (the bttv driver sometimes flakes out under heavy load if I'm not using 'overlay').
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Um, yeah, see... I don't doubt that's exactly what's going through the minds of the kernel developers. /Hopefully/ before the official /stable/ release, a major facet of Unix filesystems will be working again. If not, well, nobody would dare criticize the Holy Linux Empire.
This is why the wise man continued to use 2.2 while the "stable" 2.4 was corrupting IDE partitions, until 2.4.2x finally calmed things down. This is why the wise man will continue to use 2.4.2x until 2.6.2x gets all of the killer bugs out -- the ones that should have gotten out before a "stable" release was even rolled.
Don't mind me, this is just my regularly scheduled rant about the spectacularly shitty quality of "get it out the door fast" software, OSS included. Flame on, my reading threshold is set to hard-ignore ACs.
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Until recently this would all have been fine but now I have my new Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 I am actually concerned about other architectures appart from x86 ;-) At the moment for just generic ARM support in 2.4 you need a large patch from Russell King and then more patches for the Zaurus specific stuff. The last rmk patch was a month and a half ago for 2.6.0-test2 and as far as I know, no one is even working on porting the Zaurus
specific stuff to 2.6.
I don't really know what the arguements are for the present development model where most of the non-x86 architectures are kept separate from the mainline development but I really don't see how it can be a good idea. I guess I don't see what the difference is between individual subsystems, for instance, and support for different architectures. In both cases individuals or teams work on their own but in the subsystem case everything gets merged back in, by the time the kernel it declared stable, whereas for non-x86 architectures this never happens.
It seems to me that given the large size of these architecture patches, their maintainers must spend most of their time just updating them to keep them in sync with the new kernel versions, rather than actually fixing bug or adding new features. Also the fact that ARM users cannot test the latest kernels because there are no rmk patches for them can only lead to a "negative feedback" situation which will hurt kernel development. In general anything that unnecessarily fragments kernel development cannot be a positive thing.
There's no real sense to make 10 years plans, when you have no idea what hardware will be available then, what will people need, what do they require. Most of GNU software follows the evolution system. Submit a "bug" to Mozilla, submit a patch, get it revieved and it will be included only if people won't decide it's generally a Bad Idea and ditch it. Similar with kernel - think of a wise feature, create a module, submit it, and maybe in a month after you first thought of it, people will be downloading it from ftp.kernel.org - if your idea was really good. Nobody knows the future and there are no specific plans... except to make things better - more stable, more compilant, more effective, more whatever... Maybe in 20 years ix86 will be completely abandonned and Linux mainstream will move to some new hardware (quantum computers?), maybe in 10 years Linux will become the leading platform in graphics and Kernel will require better gfx handling procedures, maybe someone gets enough balls and brains to integrate X with Kernel in some intelligent way. And maybe Linux will get forgotten, like nowadays VAXen are, replaced by something better? Maybe Microsoft will abandon its old kernels and build its new OS on top of Linux kernel? Nobody knows. What we know is, that as long as at least one nerd on this planet breathes, Linux will be developed and made better :)
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That way we can get a whole lot more testing done with very little disruption on nornal system?
I tried to make one but I couldn't get it to boot, so maybe someone better qualified can try and if successful post Torrent file.
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>> They've never even announced a date for Longhorn. What on earth are you talking about?
I quote from one of their Press Pass documents they have online at microsoft.com:
"Over the course of 2004 you'll see a couple of releases in the betas for "Longhorn" and we'll see that coming to market in 2005.
Now, I'm sure that many of you have heard about or wonder about the possibility of whether we're going to do something before "Longhorn," is there an interim release, and that's something that I don't expect us to do. Currently we have some additional releases that are coming out as follow-ons to the XP Media Center Edition and the Tablet PC Edition so we've got some great advances and fit and finish and addressing additional international marketplaces with new handwriting recognition, new guide data for Europe for the Media Center and so on.
So you'll see some good incremental moves there but really the weight of the company, the weight of all the people in the Windows client division and across the platform's division, the weight of that effort that we're doing is around "Longhorn" and that's what we're focused on and we hope to get you all really pulling the same way so we can come out with a huge wave of excitement for the industry when "Longhorn" ships in 2005."
(quotes and italics mine.)
Several online sources have credited varying target dates for Longhorn, but all generally agree that 2005 will be the earliest that it will be available to the mass market:
Longhorn Betas in 2004, GA in 2005 (ENT News)
Analyst Pegs Longhorn Release at 2006 (ENT News)
Microsoft Pushes Back 'Longhorn' Release (Open Tech Support)
A Longhorn Delay? Not Quite (WinInfo)
Microsoft announces Longhorn release date (CNet News.com)
(I have no affiliation with these sources.)
Microsoft themselves show that 2005 is the target date of Longhorn in a slide picture. (png image)
>> As if that matters. Those are early, early alpha shots, as we all know. All the cool builds with the 3D acceleration are in a different Microsoft lab anyway that hasn't had one of their builds leaked.
First, can you prove there are "cool builds" that will have 100% of the suggested features in a shipping version of Longhorn? Secondly, the history of Microsoft's software release stategy has been plainly made clear numerous times. Hype, Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, Buzzwords-o'-the-day, Gross Appropriation (oh sorry, I mean Innovation), and just downright unfullfilled expectations litter the computer timescape.
For a company that has been in the software business of well over 25 years, one would think that with their talk of innovation and "exciting new time-saving" features, we would all have an operating system on our machines that used voice controlled openGL hyper speed interfaces, smart enough to do your work for you while you browsed sites like slashdot. Isn't the entire point of using a computer to save time and be more productive? This sadly is not the case today .
>> I'm not really sure what breathing room you're talking about. The developer preview of Longhorn is coming out later this year. The list of features Longhorn already boasts is staggering, and I doubt within two years that ANY Linux projects will come close. We'll still be stucking using X11 with a hacked on desktop simulator, business as usual.
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Oh, for fuck's sake.
.NET!!" Fucking morons, every one.
Every Windows release has been grossly overhyped and called "revolutionary." Before WinXP came out, I heard people saying the same goddamn thing: "WinXP will be as big a change as Win95 was from 3.1!" It wasn't. It simply wasn't a major improvement or change from currently existing software.
I don't blame Microsoft for this. All successful companies overhype their products; look what happened to OS/2 when IBM basically sat on it.
I don't see any point in being polite here. You're swallowing the entire load. You're a fucking cockchoker, just as bad as the "l00nix!!! penguin power" fucknuts and the frothing Apple zealots.
OS zealotry is refusing to see limitations. Linux zealots say "WITH WINEX YOU CAN NOW ALMOST PLAY MORROWWIND AND IT ONLY CRASHES EVERY 2 MINUTES!!!" Apple zealots say "OS X IS UNIX BASED AND THE MOST POWERFUL OS EVER AND THE G5 IS THE FASTEST COMPUTER EVER AND STEVE JOBS IS HUNG LIKE A HORSE!!!" And Microsoft zealots say "THE NEW WINDOWS RELEASE WILL IMPROVE EVERYONE'S LIFE AND CURE CANCER!!! JUST LIKE