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yellowTab Announces Complete BeOS/Zeta Systems

Allman writes "The return of the BeOS? Seems like Bernd Korz is delivering what he had promised (and more). After all these years it seems that yellowTab ("the new BeOS company") is finally ready to release and sell new BeOS-based products. Surprisingly, they're not only selling software, but in some way following the footsteps of Be Inc. by also selling hardware - will these things eventually become the new Be Box-es? Hehe.. who knows? From their website: yellowTab is proud to announce the "Complete Zeta Solution". Both in laptop and desktop forms, yellowTab will sell, to Europe only, complete and compatible systems. All systems come with a 2 year Warranty included.""

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  1. BeOS FAQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you like me, that know nothing about BeOS, here is the FAQ

    Davak

    Tech-Recipes.com

    1. Re:BeOS FAQ by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, I think it can be pretty much summed up in one word, sans FAQ. Amiga.

    2. Re:BeOS FAQ by guile*fr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think Jean Louis Gassee described the Bebox as the Amiga of the 90'

  2. Re:whut? no comments yet? by dead+sun · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd comment but can't even get to the article. No, I'm not new here...

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  3. Google Cache by OctaneZ · · Score: 4, Informative
  4. Where is the market? by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is there really a market for these solutions? Sure, BeOS was great a while back, but Mac OS X, Linux and even Windows have all catched up in many respects. There's also OpenBeOS, even though it's not finished yet.

    So, is there a market, or not?

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    1. Re:Where is the market? by ninthwave · · Score: 5, Informative

      Having been a big BeOS fan and trying to work with the OpenBeOS project I would say there is a need for someone to takes BE's place in the market. My BeOS system is still my favourite machine. The Audio tools in Windows and Mac have caught up but the power per machine spec has not. The things you could do AV with BeOS on lower spec machines is the same as the comaparision of Linux server's power per processor spec versus Windows.

      An operating system taylored around just AV file system and hardware access concerns is not a bad thing. Windows is too generic, MAC too resource intensive, Linux lacking but catching up in the AV realm.

      But the problem with this a company such as Yellow Tab needs to take the BeOS product and have it sit on modern hardware and software improvements it can not just be BeOS 5 professional released on modern hardware.

      As the page is dead will not complain about the new product until I read the specs but is there a market yes there is, is it a large market no, should Microsoft be worried no, should Apple yes and the sad thing about Be being killed by MS OEM scare tactics was MS saved Apple's market share more than their own.

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    2. Re:Where is the market? by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Audio tools in Windows and Mac have caught up but the power per machine spec has not. The things you could do AV with BeOS on lower spec machines is the same as the comaparision of Linux server's power per processor spec versus Windows.

      An operating system taylored around just AV file system and hardware access concerns is not a bad thing. Windows is too generic, MAC too resource intensive, Linux lacking but catching up in the AV realm.


      But will this solution really be cheaper than a more powerful machine running Windows/OS X and suitable audio software?

      Also: Can you get Logic/Cubase/Cakewalk/Reason/Sound Forge/[comparable product here] for BeOS?

      I'd suspect the budget-concious consumer would end up opting for Linux, at least after 2.6 is with us (major realtime app speedups I've understood).

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    3. Re:Where is the market? by whataputz · · Score: 2

      Oh, there is a market indeed.

      To explore it or not, that's the question. People want new things, filled with coloured stuff and bla bla bla's but they want their work done. They also wanna see ads and people saying "Hey, I use BeOS" and then, they'll be convinced it's worth using it.

      When I first saw the BeOS a few years ago I was so impressed that I immediatelly purchased it. I never regreted it. It's an awesome system even for today's standards. I love it and use it till today.

      The problem, as I see it, is that it has to have software that people will need to get their work done, just like they do in any Windows.

      If it's compatible enough, and with enough software to make whatever people make with windows and the company explores all it's potential and all, I think it can actually survive.

      The BeOS I run has still many features still to be really implemented on most operating systems. I won't uninstall it anytime soon.

    4. Re:Where is the market? by mmu_man · · Score: 2, Informative



      There is already a niche market for BeOS, with the TuneTracker radio automation system, the one that runs http://BeOSRadio.com :
      Check it at http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/ !

  5. Complete Zeta Solution? by Ciderx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, even Hollywood actresses are into open source.

    Oh, hang on...

  6. Slashdotted Already? by Davak · · Score: 3, Funny

    CGI-limits reached, please try again later!


    Great for highbandwidth stuff. Right. :)

  7. Somewhere, somehow... by vasqzr · · Score: 5, Funny


    "Richard learns to quit being sarcastic"

    Marketing/Sales meeting - yellowTab corporate offices:

    "So, any idea on how we're going to increase sales and save this company?"

    "Anyone?"

    "Richards? What's your idea?"

    "We could sell....BeOS systems....I guess"

    *snickers*

    "Great idea, Richards. Lets get started this!"

    "Sir, I was just..."

    "You were just saving this company! You're going to go places here! I like your style!"

  8. Audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cool. So, when does Cubase, Pro Tools and other cool nice audio software get ported? That's why I became interested in the OS, and why I gave up when they changed direction so set-top vapourware.

  9. Yes! by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can't keep a great OS down!!!

    As an aside, I've installed BeOS on every laptop I've run across (to me, the ability for an OS to run successfully on a laptop is the ultimate test of the capability of the OS) and I've found far *fewer* laptops that BeOS *cannot* run on, than I have found in regards to *nix. Yes, I was surprised, but very pleased. Nothing looks cooler than firing up BeOS on a laptop.

    Looking forward to an ultra-modern laptop with YellowTab.

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  10. Re:Europe only? by C_nemo · · Score: 4, Informative

    YellowTab is based in Germany. They have both software and hardware for sale. I belive they will ship you the software anywhere (they haven't stated othervise), but sending hardware all over the world is quite expensive. Scince Zeta will run in (almost) any x86 machines, you could just order the OS and install it wherever you like.

  11. Review of Zeta Beta 5 on beosjournal.com by invi · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.beosjournal.org/index.php?ct=r&ru=2003- 06-03-zetab5

  12. Beos by Kandel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...and I quote from the yellowTab website...

    "Latest BeOS Software,
    xstarfish
    Pulse
    GTKBeEngine
    Office Vorlagen fur GobeProductive2
    FreeCraft-1.18"

    Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Freecraft project recieved a "cease and desist letter" from Blizzard and was shut down. What does this say about yellowTAB, as they are publicly announcing they have binary packages of Freecraft on their servers for BeOS?

  13. BeOS on a laptop, Centrino and more.... by benmhall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that it's remarkable that Zeta managed to get Centrino working for BeOS. I mean, I can't buy a new PC laptop because Linux doesn't like the chipset. I wonder how it is that some little, tiny company has drivers for the Intel wireless adaptor, when they simply DO NOT EXIST for Linux. Very strange.

    Anyway, the systems are only for sale in Europe. Too bad for us Canadians. Well, maybe I'll have to give the new BeOS a spin. It's been ages.

    BTW, I have an old NEC Versa LX that I've tried to run BeOS on. I can't find drivers for my DWL-650 wireless NIC, and the keyboard won't work unless I upgrade to Dano. Any reasons for this? I'd rather run straight 5.0 Pro (which I purchases) but find it rather challenging to use an OS with no keyboard.

  14. /. lags by mmu_man · · Score: 2, Informative

    Now, I've been wondering when /. would talk about it, it's days old already :P
    Feels good to be /.ed anyway !

  15. Interface widgets by cosmo7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I really like the hierarchical menus; they actually indicate where a complex selection begins and ends. Very nice detail.

  16. Re:BeOS and VMWare by Jaysyn · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's a pain in the ass but it's possible

    Jaysyn

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  17. Closed source by wowbagger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Simple - BeOS is able to use closed source drivers, Linux drivers tend to be open source.

    Due to the design of the Centrino chipset, Intel asserts they are unable to release the specs for the chip, or source for drivers for the chip, and maintain FCC type certification. For part 15 certification, the device cannot operate outside specified limits on frequency and power. For a closed source driver, Intel is able to insure that is the case. For open source drivers, the user could alter frequency and power outsiee the limits imposed by the FCC.

    This was always the case for BeOS - it could play files, access hardware, and in general do more than a free system could, because Be could sign NDAs and the Free development community could not.

  18. How it came to be. by remor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some people here seem to not know, or be a little confused about how this company named yellowTAB came to be the BeOS people, and what is happening in the BeOS world at the moment. Also, I'm not associated with yellowTAB at all, this is all my observations.

    yellowTAB
    Bernd Korz first appeared in the BeOS community when he released a magazine named InsideBeOS. Only one or two issues were translated into english from the native German of the magazine (I purchased the first english edition!). This magazine stopped publication sometime around when Be flopped and as far as I saw, Bernd sort of disappeared again. When Be filed for bankruptcy, there were many outcries from the community for the source to BeOS so that it's legacy could continue. There were several formal proposals from people to purchase the source as well. Then came the announcement that Palm had purchased Be's intellectual propert(IP)... and were not going to continue development of BeOS. Luckily (in my opinion), Bernd was smart enough apparently to ask for a license to the source and not to purchase it. So, before Be sold their IP to Palm, they gave some sort of full license to yellowTAB to release new products based on the source code. Presumably that license just transferred to Palm's ownership with everything else.
    So, here we are today, yellowTAB is about to release their new OS named Zeta (sort of BeOS R6) which contains unreleased code from Be plus new stuff and bug fixes that they have added. The article does not make it very clear, but yellowTAB is actually selling RC1 (Release Candidate 1) of Zeta now to the world. The R1 (Release 1) will be available to people who purchase RC1 for 10 Euros.

    BeOS rewrites
    There are a number of projects that are aiming their sights on rewriting the BeOS. Some totally opensource from conception, others planning on releasing their source after they have a public binary release under their belts. The main contenders that are around at the moment are OpenBeOS (soon to have a name change), BlueEyedOS , and Cosmoe .

    OpenBeOS is taking the approach of totally rewriting the entire system. New kernel, new appkit, new interface kit, new storage kit... everything. They're not changing the basic structure of the system, in fact, they're attempting to completely duplicate the system even down to binary compatibility. As a basis for their project, they have used Be's old header files, and written API documentation. They are hosted at source forge and are using the MIT license for all their source.

    BlueEyedOS is taking the approach that they perceive the Linux kernel and XFree86 as suitable for building less traditional system on top of them. They are using the Linux kernel as their Be kernel, and X windows as their display. They've released a demo CD so far that is quite interesting and appears very promising. Their code is not available to anyone but their developers at the moment because they've chosen to start their project closed. I've believe that I've heard though that they are planning for a source release later on. The demo CD can still be downloaded from their website.

    Cosmoe is a primarily one man show that has taken the Syllable (was Atheos) source code and altered it to run on top of Linux and X. It's author's primary goal seems to be to give the Unix, Linux community a new user interface and the Be API. Code for this system is occasionally released under GPL and LGPL.

  19. Hands off!! by Ratface · · Score: 2, Funny

    Remind me not to let you anywhere near my laptop then! ;-p

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  20. Why Europe ? by vlad_petric · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe because Europeans (and I believe Asians as well) pay a little bit more attention than Americans to true quality and show less "herding" behaviour when doing purchases.

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