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Chinese Taikonauts Arrive at Launch Facility

CylonSlave writes "It seems the recent rumors about China's first manned flight occuring in the next couple of weeks may be for real. Spacedaily.com reports (courtesy of AFP) 14 Chinese trained taikonauts have arrived at the launch facility in Gansu province in Northwest China. Earlier space.com and one of the Chinese state's news organs, the People's Daily, reported on the possibility of a manned flight next month. Note that this Wednesday, October 1, is China's National Day. This mission would be titled Shenzhou 5 being the fifth mission with the Chinese made Shenzhou space capsule. Personally, I hope the competition will jolt the US space program back into more visionary ideas such as the manned Mars mission. Two sites about China's space program can be seen here & here."

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  1. Ready, Set, Go! by kabocox · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Let the race start.

    I think the Hare (US) won't beat the turtle (China).

    1. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by Luigi30 · · Score: 0

      Didn't we beat them to the moon like... 35 years ago? When we beat Russia along with everyone else?

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    2. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was ouviously talking about who ever will get first to the edge of the universe.

    3. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whats your point, fool? this isnt 35 years ago, this is NOW. this is not just about getting a man on the moon, this is about domination of the solar system.

    4. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think China could get a ton of money pumped into NASA. NASA would do something stupid like a man-mission to Mars. While China figures out how to cheaply and reliably send men to space. US gives up for lack of interest until the annoucement of Chineese planned Moon Base or Space Station. I think the US would ignore a Space Staion all together no matter how large. A Moon Base would cause the US geeks to cry in outrage an few Billion would be pumped into NASA and we'd have a token Base on the Moon with less than 20 human there. China will beat US in the long run. It is our outlook on life. In the short run we will always be ahead but oh in 2 or 3 hundred years China will either have control of the high orbitals or there will be a Taiwan in space that everone will have to deal with. :)

    5. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by Mod+Me+God · · Score: 1

      The US only went to the moon because the USSR was kicking their ass all over space and they wanted one, just one, victory. Funny thing that despite the Soviet Union falling Russia is still kicking the US's ass, ESA is coming up secong and China are on the inside straight positioned to overtake all if they play it right.

      All this while US citizens prefer to become obese than challenge themselves, riding on the economics of an immigrant population that will stop soon leaving the US a mediocre has-been.

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    6. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing with 3rd world country is, they value human lives less than their american counter parts. Let's take russia for example (being a poor country and all that), Russia's main conern was sending people to space and they cared less about the safety of the astronouts. A few rokets even blew up, before they reached they entered orbit. I wouldn't be supprised if China is willing to shoot people out cannon, or attach them to a missle to get them to mars.

    7. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by cosmo7 · · Score: 1

      The thing with 3rd world country is, they value human lives less than their american counter parts.

      I value trolls less than their human counterparts too.

    8. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by jameskojiro · · Score: 0

      Hmmmm.... Didn't Firefly foreshadow this? They showed people in space and chinese seemed like a second launguage.....

      Something to think about

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    9. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A few rokets even blew up, before they reached they entered orbit.

      A few shuttles even blew up, before they reached the ground or they entered the orbit.

      Grow up you hatemonger!

    10. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by M1FCJ · · Score: 1

      Firefly also predicts that you will have cows and cowboys in space. How stupid can a show get? Transporting cows in a spaceship... Come on...

    11. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by Zarf · · Score: 1

      How stupid can a show get? Transporting cows in a spaceship... Come on...

      How else would you get cows into space?

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    12. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by M1FCJ · · Score: 1

      The same way as Pigs In Space...

    13. Re:Ready, Set, Go! by Zarf · · Score: 1

      In the short run we will always be ahead but oh in 2 or 3 hundred years China will either have control of the high orbitals or there will be a Taiwan in space that everone will have to deal with. :)

      I guess I'd better learn Chinese next. By that line of logic everything will end up Chinese in a few hundred years... give your descendants a hand-up now! Move to China!

      No, I meant just you... You there... you go and move to China! Go tell all your friends too! Whee more for me! :-P

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  2. On board the spacecraft... by stienman · · Score: 3, Funny

    This mission would be titled Shenzhou 5 being the fifth mission with the Chinese made Shenzhou space capsule.

    Among other instruments onboard, they will be deploying the world's first open relay SMTP satellite, usable with a directv or primestar dish and a common 802.11a/b/g bridge.

    Later 2005:
    In other news, a Chinese satellite exploded over asia yeasterday. Authorites are investigating, but an unnamed internal source indicated that the "... server couldn't handle the 3 billion emails per second ..." that apparently up until yesterday were flowing through the relay.

    Next day:
    Microsoft is claiming victory as hundreds of US Spammers declare bankruptcy.

    -Adam

  3. Taikonauts? by Otter · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I'm picturing them playing drums in space.

    Really, isn't inventing a new nationalistic terminology for space travelers about 50 years past its time? There's no race anymore.

    1. Re:Taikonauts? by Yokaze · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to one source, the Chinese aren't to blame for this, but the imperialistic press.

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    2. Re:Taikonauts? by Yuan-Lung · · Score: 1

      taiko, or the great drum, is Japanese. Tai-Kon, which is really the root of the word taikonaut, means "space" in Chinese.

    3. Re:Taikonauts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, isn't inventing a new nationalistic terminology for space travelers about 50 years past its time?

      Considering it was coined by the Imperialist Capitalistic forces of the Evil Empire, namely, the United States press, why would you say that?

      Ofcourse, your statement is extremely racist, since it means that you're not allowed to come up with new terms in other languages.

      Why shouldn't there be a word for it in swahili, or urdu, that isn't "COSMONAUT"?

      Incidentally, according to you, they should all be called COSMONAUTS, because the USSR was first.

    4. Re:Taikonauts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Really, isn't inventing a new nationalistic terminology for space travelers about 50 years past its time? There's no race anymore.


      Well... it's not a Chinese term, so I don't see how it could be nationalistic. I think Popular Science coined it.

      Also, the root "-naut" isn't Chinese. Why would a nationalistic Chinese term-maker use a barbarian term from a bunch of defunct civilizations, whose height of glory never even rivalled that of China? :) What has the primitive Mediterranean civilizations have to compare to the great Chinese civilization?

    5. Re:Taikonauts? by Tablizer · · Score: 1


      Too bad there is not a country named "Forgetme". Then they would send up "ForgetMeNauts" (Taiko comediac drum rift)

  4. Overheard... by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Funny

    "...hey, I can see the Great Wall from here!"

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  5. Time is getting short by Cuchullain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The US's time as primary space-capable superpower is growing short. We need to kick it into high gear and get cracking if we want to keep the honor.

    Time to get moving, and fund Nasa appropriately. Heaven knows that the payoffs from the R & D alone will be worth the money spent. The materials tech from the first space race is still filtering down to civilian life.

    Regardless, It is 1957, and shenzou 5 is China's sputnik.

    Cuchullain

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    1. Re:Time is getting short by lommer · · Score: 1

      No, it's China's Vostok, and these taikonauts are China's Yuri Gagarins

    2. Re:Time is getting short by Cuchullain · · Score: 1

      Good point. Roll that clock forward several years.

      Cuchullain

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    3. Re:Time is getting short by cosmo7 · · Score: 1

      It's more like China's Soyuz, as that's pretty much what it's based on.

    4. Re:Time is getting short by utd-blaze · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think its more like China's Freedom 7. Launched on a Redstone 5 on 5/05/61, Alan Shepard was sent in to space too late to be first, and too low to be best. After the Russians had already put a man in orbit, the United States only managed a suborbital flight, but they had succeeded. From that humble beginning America's manned space flight program reached the moon in 8 years, 2 months and 16 days. Go China.

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  6. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by GypC · · Score: 1

    Hopefully, they won't set up a mass base on the moon and threaten us with big rocks dropped from the top of the gravity well.

    ;-)

    1. Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by laertes · · Score: 1
      Why oh why oh why does this keep coming up? Sure, you're joking, but seriously: this rock crap was just a way for Heinlein to justify a moon-base. We call it "poetic license." He knew it was BS, too. The fact is that if China did set up a moon base, then the US, the EU, Russia and India would have telescopes in lunar orbit before China even got their Porta-Potties set up. Not to mention the other 500 tracking systems that would be deployed. So, no surprise attack, no secret construction, no military reason to build a mass driver.

      So, it's not like China will be able to launch a surprise attack on their enemies with this.

      Now, just for argument's sake, say China had a beef with the US; they wanted a bunch (possibly all) Americans dead. So they hurtle a bunch of rocks our way. Assume that the US wouldn't be able to do anything to divert the rocks, so that they'd hit their targets. What would happen if one of these rocks fell down? It depends on the target. If China targets a(n)...

      • overseas American military target, they'll get nuked off the moon.
      • domestic military target, their military will get nuked off the face of the planet, the US military will probably invade China and they'll get nuked off of the moon.
      • small town in the US (continential or otherwise) or other small civilian target, then Beijing will cease to exist, as will every other major city in China, their military will get nuked off the face of the planet, the US military will probably invade China and they'll get nuked off of the moon.
      • large city (Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, etc), then every person in China will die, there won't be any military or country to invade and they'll get nuked off of the moon.

      If China mounts a full-scale attack of the US, then it will be then end of the world.

      But, you might say: "The moon is strategically superior to the Earth, so the US military would be at a disadvantage." The US military will never be at a disadvantage when it can launch a thermonuclear warhead anywhere on the globe with mere minutes of notice. The US military has the hardware and the will to do this.

      China will not be able to eliminate the US retailiatory capacity before it can be used; even if (big if) they could destroy the long-range bomber capacity and/or the nuclear missile silos, they'd still have to destroy the submarine fleet. They won't be able to do that, because they won't be able to find the subs.

      Still, if China were dumb enough to waste the $25-35 trillion dollars it would take to build a military base on the moon, it would spark an arms race, and we'd suddenly find that the doors of space had been thrown open. Would that be good IYHO?

      PS: Sorry to get so heated, but I don't think some things are appropriate to joke about.

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    2. Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by barawn · · Score: 1

      overseas American military target, they'll get nuked off the moon.

      How? What missiles do we have that could reach the Moon? Oh wait - we don't have any. And even if we did, they'd take more time than the "rocks" launched from the Moon, and would be relatively trivial to intercept/divert/destroy. Plus with the lack of atmosphere on the moon, you'd pretty much have to have a nearly-direct strike in order for it to physically destroy whatever's there.

      domestic military target, their military will get nuked off the face of the planet, the US military will probably invade China and they'll get nuked off of the moon.

      How would this fix the basic problem of "they have a base on the moon, and can drop stuff on us"? China might be gone, but, hell, that'd make whoever still controlled the Moon base even MORE powerful. "They just invaded our country! Oh well, hope they can defend every major city, all at once." I'm sure NORAD would love to see "50,000 incoming projectiles".

      I'm even ignoring the basic physics of "how do you divert something that's huge and has a ton of kinetic energy".

      If China mounts a full-scale attack of the US, then it will be then end of the world.

      That, I agree with you on.

      But, you might say: "The moon is strategically superior to the Earth, so the US military would be at a disadvantage." The US military will never be at a disadvantage when it can launch a thermonuclear warhead anywhere on the globe with mere minutes of notice. The US military has the hardware and the will to do this.

      That's like saying that a dying man isn't at a disadvantage just because he can bludgeon a healthy man to death. If the Chinese would set up a base on the moon, with the capability to launch projectiles at the Earth, the US has two options: armageddon, or talk treaty. A base on the moon, with military goals, is a massive advantage, simply because all of the weaponry, upkeep, etc. are virtually free (in the long term), whereas the Earth-based defense is expensive. You'd win by attrition.

      Then again, the US military tends to be nuts, so they'd probably choose armageddon.

      The fact is that if China did set up a moon base, then the US, the EU, Russia and India would have telescopes in lunar orbit before China even got their Porta-Potties set up. Not to mention the other 500 tracking systems that would be deployed. So, no surprise attack, no secret construction, no military reason to build a mass driver.

      Sure, set up telescopes. Set up tracking systems. What're you going to do? Oh, no, you knocked down one of their projectiles. Big deal. Now prevent the other several hundred that are coming your way as well. Go ahead. Keep preventing them. Knocking them down takes fuel, money, and accuracy. Sending down projectiles, though. That's virtually free.

      The point of the mass driver in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress wasn't that they couldn't be blocked. It was that the relative cost for blocking one was much higher than the cost for sending it down.

      I'm not arguing that it wouldn't be a bad thing. Not at all. It would be another arms race, and another chance for humans to kill themselves. Not good. I'm however talking from the pure militaristic viewpoint, and there is a pure advantage to a military Moon base there.

      There are things more militarily powerful than a nuclear weapon . This shouldn't come as a shock.

    3. Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Lshmael · · Score: 2, Interesting

      An interesting read is the 1967 "Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies:"

      Article IV
      States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner.

      The moon and other celestial bodies shall be used by all States Parties to the Treaty exclusively for peaceful purposes. The establishment of military bases, installations and fortifications, the testing of any type of weapons and the conduct of military manoeuvres on celestial bodies shall be forbidden. The use of military personnel for scientific research or for any other peaceful purposes shall not be prohibited. The use of any equipment or facility necessary for peaceful exploration of the moon and other celestial bodies shall also not be prohibited.

      Article VII
      Each State Party to the Treaty that launches or procures the launching of an object into outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, and each State Party from whose territory or facility an object is launched, is internationally liable for damage to another State Party to the Treaty or to its natural or juridical persons by such object or its component parts on the Earth, in air or in outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies.


      Yes, China has ratified it.

    4. Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by PierceLabs · · Score: 1

      Yeah yeah, as if nations don't break or leave these treaties all the time. Just because it exists today (when there is no viable means to build such facilities) doesn't mean that when the capability is there that people won't leave the treaty framework... much like the US said 'hmmm I think we can build a national missle defense - why have a treaty that prevents it!'.

    5. Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The moon and other celestial bodies shall be used by all States Parties to the Treaty exclusively for peaceful purposes

      The Chinese need only to set up their moon base (run by the Chinese civilian space agency of course) with a mass-driver whose purpose is simply to propel lunar ore to an earth-orbitting processing facility. A purely peaceful purpose.

    6. Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Haeleth · · Score: 1

      > Yes, China has ratified it.

      Looks like the Vatican hasn't, though. Protestants beware!

    7. Re:The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I had a mod point today... :-)

  7. Since the Chinese copy everything... by narratorDan · · Score: 1

    ...where did they get the cloning machines to clone the astronauts??

    NarratorDan

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  8. Talkonauts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, I gotta remember that one! My wife is a talk-o-naut whenever she gets within a phone!

    1. Re:Talkonauts? by jpr1nd · · Score: 1

      so then... big phones or small wife?

  9. Go China! by ralphclark · · Score: 1

    Everything depends on you now. We need you to succeed so that others, such as the US, will be stirred to follow.

  10. Who cares if China beat us? by bluGill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not against it, but what is the point of Space exploration today? We can do it, we have proven that. It is very expensive though. Satalites yes, but they are self funded, and profitable for private industry. Very little scientific research needs to be done in space.

    Sure it is neat to say you went into space, for the small group of people who have done it, but otherwise what value is there in it? Sit in a small space for a few days with nothing to do but look at the earth. I hope you can get some good books/movies, because once the novilty of seeing the earth from above is over with you need something to do.

    Scientific research sounds good, but most of it can be done on earth. Few scientific research projects going on in space now even have value to science. If you can come up with a good space research project, good. Except it is so expensive to get into space, you better be sure that you can't get results any other way. Even then, a unmaded probe would be better.

    ISS has value, but only because it gets a few russian scientists a job so they don't have develop mistles for evil dictators just to survive. A worthy cause to be sure, but otherwise of no important use.

    I say let the chinese get to Mars first. We have enough probes there to be pretty sure that there is no value in sending people there. If a probe discovers something of value that we need people to check out, fine, but until then why have a highly trained person waste months on the trip?

    That isn't to say we should stand still. Lets develope something of use here. We can catch up to the Chinese anytime. (if only because the spys mean they can't keep the technology secert for very long...)

    I have other things to spend my money on. I hear many retired folks complaining about socal security, I always respond that my parents were not old enough to vote when they sent their socal security money to the moon, so don't blame me for the mess we are in. (Yes that situation is complex than that) I'd like to keep my tax money. Selfish perhaps, but if you won't let me keep it, at least spend it on something that is of use, not waste it on space.

    1. Re:Who cares if China beat us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America goes to space: Yahoo!!!@!@!
      China goes to space: What's the point?

      Yes, I probably missed the point of your post, because I didn't even read two sentences of it.

    2. Re:Who cares if China beat us? by andrewski · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The point of deep space research is simple. Humans are going to all die someday if we keep hanging around on this rock. Space awaits us - we have a much better chance of surviving as a species if we can spread out a little. Aside from that, the earth is taken. Divided up. We have the technology, and could certainly improve on the whole 'big rocket, little spacecraft' paradigm that has dominated for the last 50 years.

      Space travel and exploration is a long-term investment the effects of which we can't begin to comprehend. Social Security is a mismanaged money pit.

    3. Re:Who cares if China beat us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I'm not against it, but what is the point of Space exploration today? We can do it, we have proven that. It is very expensive though. Satalites yes, but they are self funded, and profitable for private industry. Very little scientific research needs to be done in space.

      I say let the chinese get to Mars first. We have enough probes there to be pretty sure that there is no value in sending people there. If a probe discovers something of value that we need people to check out, fine, but until then why have a highly trained person waste months on the trip?

      That isn't to say we should stand still. Lets develope something of use here. We can catch up to the Chinese anytime. (if only because the spys mean they can't keep the technology secert for very long...)


      I highly doubt the spies can do anything. The CIA is still a Russian obsessed clique who couldn't figure out some other language if they had a universal translator. Look at how effectively they process Arabic.

      The payoff of anything challenging, is that in developing solutions for a challenge, you may come up with novel methods that can be applied to other fields, totally not to do with what you do.
      Look at materials research. In developing heatshields, you could end up with better semiconductor ovens, coatings for your car's cylinders, etc.

      As for Mars... whether you believe it or not, a big rock from space will smash into Earth one of these days (like what happened in those Indian villages a few days ago, only bigger), and create environmental havoc. If we have a selfsustaining colony on Mars *and* on the Moon, we may survive what should be our death knell.

      Ofcourse it's debatable whether humans deserve to survive or not.

    4. Re:Who cares if China beat us? by barawn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have other things to spend my money on. I hear many retired folks complaining about socal security, I always respond that my parents were not old enough to vote when they sent their socal security money to the moon, so don't blame me for the mess we are in. (Yes that situation is complex than that) I'd like to keep my tax money. Selfish perhaps, but if you won't let me keep it, at least spend it on something that is of use, not waste it on space.

      Here's the hint: humans are all selfish - it's in our nature. However, humanity can't afford humans being selfish - and thankfully, people in our government managed to realize that.

      The problem is that humans are lazy . You all want flying cars, and cures for cancer, and a cure for aging, but you don't really have a damned clue how to get there.

      The destination doesn't have to be the goal - it's the trip that matters . This is the real reason for "pure science" research. Pure science is more valuable than anything else you can possibly spend your money on. Anything.

      That isn't to say we should stand still. Lets develope something of use here. We can catch up to the Chinese anytime. (if only because the spys mean they can't keep the technology secert for very long...)

      If we don't keep pushing the envelope of what we can do, we might as well roll over and die as a country - at least as a technology leader. We pretty much already are as far as space goes - in five to ten years, I think people'll be talking about the "heyday of the US", and talking about the amazing new fighter and spy plane designs coming out of Europe, Russia, and China.

      Very little scientific research needs to be done in space.

      Ah, the voice of ignorance. You mean, very little research like, oh, astronomy (SNAP: Supernova Acceleration Probe, which requires the IR, which you can't see through the atmosphere), basic physics (Gravity Probe B), solar flare monitoring (SOHO), searches for terrestrial planets (the Terrestrial Planet Finder), etc.? Good call. No scientific research needs to be done in space. Sure. Can you do us a favor and let scientists decide what needs to be done in space? Most of us think that there's a metric crapload left to do.

      And then if you've just got objections to human space exploration, the point, as always, is that the technology required to have human space exploration massively increases your ability to do things in space. It makes you far better at doing things, and more importantly, it means that you have more flexibility, more capability, and more possibilities than if it's purely robotic.

      Hubble'd be half-blind without human intervention. What, you want us to stick around on the Earth until the need arises to leave? Infrastructure can't be built out of nothing. The smart man plans for contingencies.

      I mean seriously - where to start. Fusion, alternate propulsion mechanisms, pure material generation, exotic material searches, and then in time, asteroid mining and resource searching.

      Look at it this way. If you're one of those nutballs that thinks that Earth has enough of everything it needs from now till eternity, get a clue. Do a Web search on how much helium we have - by the end of this century, it's likely to be gone . Yah. Helium. You know. The stuff they put in balloons. No kidding. Gone.

      That's not to say anything of the more exotic heavy metals. We will run out , eventually, and want more. Now, the smart man says: does he look for more materials before he runs out, or after? What you're suggesting is "let's wait a bit, we've got plenty of time!"

      The problem with that argument is that it's always valid. Until, of course, we run out of time. And then, we're screwed.

    5. Re:Who cares if China beat us? by bluGill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who said anything about standing still, or not doing pure research? I said that Space based reserach is for the most part not worth it. When the US only has the shuttle (for all practical purposes) which isn't even able to get far out of the atmosphere for 20 years, you know that research in space isn't being done anyway. If real science has a need for science I don't object. Most of the science we are doing in space now is not science, but rather science fair. That is neat, but not advanceing science very far.

      There is plenty of research that can be done a lot cheaper on earth. It isn't like we do an expiriment in space, or all science stops. Instead it is we do this neat expiriment in space (which may significantly advance science, don't get me wrong, some space based science does), or do something different on earth and advance science that way.

      Let the chinese get a few wins in space. They are wins not worth obtaining at this point. Someday I hope going to Mars is a routine thing, just like going to Europe (from North America) is today. Someday it will be worth while to mine asteriods. That day isn't today, or in the near enough future that we will behind if we don't start building those rockets now. That day is far enough in the future that we are better off a) figgureing out how to make do with what we have on earth until that day, and b) advancing science in all directions until it is advanced enoguh that we can engineer ships cheap enough to make the trip worthwhile.

    6. Re:Who cares if China beat us? by kinnell · · Score: 1
      I'm not against it, but what is the point of Space exploration today?

      I read an article a while ago in wired about someone who had done a feasability study into retrieving minerals from asteroids, and concluded that using current technology it would often be cheaper than prospecting for new mineral seams on Earth (think about the Japanese mission to retrieve a rock sample from an asteroid). The first nation to develop this capability, by setting up a mining capability on the moon, for example, will have a massive economic advantage over the rest of the world.

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    7. Re:Who cares if China beat us? by stedlj · · Score: 0

      I firmly agree!

      To stagnate is to die! Any civilization that has
      stagnated has been left in the dust and over ran by others.

      Lead, follow or get stepped on!

      The real world!

  11. In the News: Chinese Austonauts Injured in Mishap by jameskojiro · · Score: 0, Funny

    Late thursday 200 miles over Bejing the first Chinese Austonauts in orbit suffered a mishap involving a saftey drill aboard their Shenzhou Spacecraft.

    Program manager Mr. Chin Hou stated today that the in flight combustion safety drill ended in tradegy today when the Astonauts in an attempt to perform this manuever opened the pressureized door of their spacecraft and attempted to perform a space walk around the vessel and then return to the confines of their craft.

    Mr. Chin Hou later regretted that they hadn't allowed for the fact that when the tests were performed on the ground no one mentioned that there was a vaccum in space. "The Taikonauts in orbit in orbit did not have the nessassary equipment to perform the spacewalk manuever and they suffered from exposure in space as a result," Mr. Chin Hou went on.

    The Chinese space agency has reported that they will not schedule any more fire drills aboard their spacecraft until they are equipped for spacewalks and the astonauts are in their suits before such drills are performed in the future.

    In other news a Russian based Linux distribution is sueing SCO for infringment.

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  12. Re:In the News: Chinese Austonauts Injured in Mish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You ridicule them because you're scared of them, because maybe they're just as good as you, maybe better. But then again I think I just bit your bait.

  13. Chinese Talkonauts? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else misread the "i" as an "l"? The Chinese are about to be launched onto Oprah!

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  14. Mod Grandparent Up! +5 Funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you missed the joke... he's alluding to a Chinese Fire Drill.

  15. misread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Did anyone else read the subect as

    Chinese Takeouts Arrive at Launch Facility

    Hey, Taikonauts must get hungry too.

    1. Re:misread by schnits0r · · Score: 1

      I tihnk it was supposed to be: Chinese Takeouts Arrive at Lunch Facility

  16. Re:In the News: Chinese Austonauts Injured in Mish by jameskojiro · · Score: 0

    Oh, Come on..... At least i didn't do another Soviet Russia Joke....

    I hope the Chinese Space programs puts a fire under our lazy american asses to get serious about space exploration again.

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  17. "nasa" is Toki Pona for "foolish" by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Time to get moving, and fund Nasa appropriately.

    Time to convince taxpaying citizens that Nasa doesn't mean "foolish".

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  18. Obligatory... by smithmc · · Score: 1


    I, for one, welcome our... oh, wait. Go NASA!

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  19. My 0.02$ by MikShapi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. China is laying down lots of money on its carbon nanotube research - they were mentioned as the 2nd most serious research after CNI.

    2. They're beefing up their space program. Collecting the knowhow. Launching their own vehicles. Tackling the being-in-space problems on their own.

    3. A little prophecy from the Space Elevator's Phase I NIAC paper:

    "Let's consider two roughly equal entities (governments, private enterprise etc.). At year zero, entity one begins building a space elevator behind closed doors. The second is looking at building a space elevator and thinks it is important but has not begun building it yet. At year five the news gets out that the first entity is building the space elevator. The second now jumps into its program and starts building. At year ten the first entity has its first elevator operating and the second entity is 18 months from launch of its initial spacecraft. At year fifteen the first entity has six cables up including two 106 kg cables, has a manned station at geosynchronous, has recouped much of the construction cost through selling two cables and through hundreds of launches on its eight cables, and is beginning construction of a Mars cable. The second entity has up its first cable. Note that two additional entities also have cables now because of entity one's sales. At year twenty, entity one is making billions from the tens of cables it has produced, has a manned station on Mars, has a hotel at Geo station which now has a permanent population of over one hundred. Entities two, three, four, five,E each own a handful of cables and are trying to compete with entity one."

    Is anyone adding this up?

    Here's some ideas for future slashdot headlines:
    2004: NASA announces new-and-improved winged-spacetruck candidate.
    2009: NASA launches first new winged spacetruck
    2015: NASA announces last shuttle of their new shuttle fleet has been delivered.
    2015: NASA disassembles shuttle, sends it to space in pieces using chinese elevators to save up on launch costs.

    We can all safely assume that one sixth the population of our planet would very much like it to happen _just like that_.
    I'd be amused.

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  20. Taikon(g)auts Etymology by bruthasj · · Score: 1

    Chinese Portion
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    Tai - extreme, very
    Kong - space, area, emptiness

    Greek Portion
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    naut - sailor

    Have fun!

    1. Re:Taikon(g)auts Etymology by ucsckevin · · Score: 0

      taikong [tai4kong1]i'3/4o) is one word, meaning space, as in outerspace.

    2. Re:Taikon(g)auts Etymology by bruthasj · · Score: 1

      No. Taikong is a compound word, composed of two characters with two meanings. I broke it into the two meanings. Just like "naut". No one says naut, so obviously I was breaking it down into the constituent parts. Everyone and their dog probably realizes taikong means outerspace, since they paired with the Greek suffix "naut", which is found in words such as Astronaut and Cosmonaut. Usually, people use these words to encode both the meaning of "a sailor in space", and an ethnocentric pointer to where that sailor may be located.

      (BTW - People that do not know the etymological breakdown of a Chinese word have no clue what the tones are so adding a 4 and a 1 are superfluous elements that only add to the confusion.)

  21. How funny by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    China decided several hundred years ago to not explore the rest of the world. they decided that there was more important things to spend their money on in the local area. Europe decided to move forward. Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it again.

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  22. into colors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    god, i want to make this comment yellow dame it how those that work?

    COME ON slashdot, add some color!

  23. Re:In the News: Chinese Austonauts Injured in Mish by Deflagro · · Score: 1

    Personally I thought it was pretty damn funny. Insulting to their race but it wasn't the Chinese that made up the fire drill thing, it was the americans. Seems people were always afraid of the chinese. Chinese finger trap? Think a british salesman made that one up. Chinese = queer or strange.
    I just pictured the taikonauts doing a fire drill, freaking hilarious.

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  24. In other news.. by inteller · · Score: 1

    ...shortly after achieving orbit, the Chinese capsule was disintegrated by what U.S. officials are describing as a "freak solar flare".