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Hydrophilic Powder Used To Save Library Books

VersatilePrimate writes "Wired News has a story about a polymer that can instantaniously suck 2000 times in its body weight of water. Super Slurper, a starch-based polymer with a powerful thirst, has been employed in diapers and filters, but researchers want to turn the page and develop a different application: drying waterlogged books."

55 comments

  1. The ultimate battle... by greenhide · · Score: 4, Funny

    This stuff vs. the Super Big Gulp...

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    1. Re:The ultimate battle... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:The ultimate battle... by pmz · · Score: 1


      How about the Super Big Gulp vs. someone's pancreas?

      Whenever I see a Super Big Gulp, I smile and think "I love being an American" (seriously, freedom to do good also allows one to shoot one's foot off, as long as it hasn't been deemed terrorism :( ).

    3. Re:The ultimate battle... by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 1

      I prefer the 128oz Nauseatingly Huge Gulp

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    4. Re:The ultimate battle... by Mr.+McGibby · · Score: 1

      what ever happened to the DOUBLE GULP?

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    5. Re:The ultimate battle... by MeanMF · · Score: 1

      How about the Grotesque Gulp from one of the Leisure Suit Larry games?

    6. Re:The ultimate battle... by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Was that the one that looked like a bucket? Seriously, AM-PM had this disgustingly huge drink "The Monster" or something like that, which looked, of all things, like a bucket of soda. I would get one of those and drink it over a weekend, and be wired on caffine. Man, its amazing sometimes the things glutony in the US gives rise too.

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    7. Re:The ultimate battle... by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 1

      I would get one of those and drink it over a weekend, and be wired on caffine.

      I know you were probably serious about that but when I read it I busted out laughing... and I'm at work (got a few strange looks)

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    8. Re:The ultimate battle... by capnjack41 · · Score: 1

      Those were amazing. They were about 4 feet tall but could still fit in your pocket!

    9. Re:The ultimate battle... by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 1

      Sadly, yes I was. Those things were huge, bucket shaped, handle and all. I seem to recall that it held something like 2 2-liter bottles of soda, or there-abouts. It was great for those all weekend D&D sessions (which were wonderfully common in my highschool days). We would run down to the AM-PM and fill them up (for like a buck, I think) and take them back to my friend's home, and spend the weekend in caffinated hack and slash bliss.

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  2. What books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do people still read printed books?

    1. Re:What books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they do.

      What do you say to that, smart guy?

  3. Do you believe this? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Insightful


    "... a mere teaspoon of the stuff can absorb a gallon of water"

    Somebody has been pulling a reporter's leg.

    1. Re:Do you believe this? by morcheeba · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nope. I bought some stuff like this at a magic store for practical jokes. A small packet in someone's drink will turn it to slurpee-consitancy. I'd guess a tablespoon would do a gallon, but I haven't tried that much - usually a teaspoon is plenty for a glass.

      When it absorbs, the particles greatly increase in size, like a virgin sponge. The result will be the same volume as a gallon of water, but it will be jell-ified.

    2. Re:Do you believe this? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      This stuff is 98% water, 2% cellulose gum, and some aluminum sulfate. It's commercial, not revolutionary, but the ratio is 44:1. How many teaspoons are in a gallon? Hmmm... weight/volume ratios... too much math. Anyway, use this as a benchmark.

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    3. Re:Do you believe this? by PD · · Score: 1

      I believe it. One little hagfish can turn a big bucket of water into slime. I wonder if you can eat it.

    4. Re:Do you believe this? by Royster · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Do you believe this? by meridoc · · Score: 1

      It is possible.

      Here's a link to an article on how a similar compound works (sodium polyacrylate). This compound only absorbs 600 times its weight of distilled water, not a few thousand times.

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    6. Re:Do you believe this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>How many teaspoons are in a gallon? Hmmm... weight/volume ratios... too much math.

      which of those two measurements do you consider to be a weight?

    7. Re:Do you believe this? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      which of those two measurements do you consider to be a weight?

      Hah, hah, you're so smart and funny... you didn't even bother to follow the link I posted before you thought to post a snide remark, did you?

      Ingredients are listed by weight on a product, which I linked to. The article cited volume ratios (teaspoon to gallon). Work it out.

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  4. Consequently by kurosawdust · · Score: 4, Funny

    In a related story, the number of borrowable copies of Short Stories to Read While You Kayak jumped up 7,000%...

  5. YES!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    YES!! Super Slurp versus Super Slurpee!!!

  6. Re:MMMMMM by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can hear the ice click against the plastic sides, and he fizz in my drink. 66 sloshing ounces of Diet Coke!

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  7. Acid, Heat, UV Eats Paper by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Informative

    From what I understand, one of the big problems for libraries is that mass produced paper in the last 150 years or so is acidic and degrades the paper. I've looked at 100 year old newspapers in local libraries that were practically crumbling.

    Leave a newspaper out in the sun a couple of weeks and you'll get the idea of what happens in a shorter time frame.

    I've heard of efforts to treat books with a base to help balance the pH and halt degradation, but I think it's somewhat expensive.

    Sometimes I've thought that some of my old comic books might better be treated with a base or else stored in a freezer. Meanwhile, they're yellowing with age.

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    1. Re:Acid, Heat, UV Eats Paper by ForestGrump · · Score: 1

      Yea, acid is a problem. Makes the paper brittle and hard to handle as it ages.

      Another problem (esp for college libraries) is post-it notes. That glue is acidic and kills the paper.

      -grump

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  8. Slurp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Super Slurper ... has been employed in diapers ...

    I don't know whether to be horrified or aroused at the prospect of Super Slurper in my underpants.

    1. Re:Slurp? by mechugena · · Score: 1

      Considering "Super Slurper" is Commander Taco's other nickname, you may think it's a good thing!

    2. Re:Slurp? by vegetablespork · · Score: 1

      Damn you! You beat me to that :)!

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    3. Re:Slurp? by mechugena · · Score: 1

      Or, did CT just beat you off?

    4. Re:Slurp? by acceleriter · · Score: 1

      I don't think CT's into sporks, though I have to admit I never asked.

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  9. Fact or fiction? by KD4DCY · · Score: 1

    Something about this sets off my bogometer. Perhaps it's the assertion that a teaspoon of the material can absorb a full gallon of water. Even if it could expand enough such that its volume approximated a gallon, the resulting substance would be only slightly less viscous than the water itself ... it just isn't possible to get enough structure from so little mass. In other words, if a teaspoon of the stuff absorbed a gallon of water, it would damage books just like a gallon of water would. We don't generally call that ABSORBING water. We generally call it DISSOLVING IN WATER. :)

    1. Re:Fact or fiction? by Muhammar · · Score: 1

      " would be only slightly less viscous than the water itself "

      Not quite correct, sir. If the stuff is crosslinked, the resulting solution will have a consistency of a gelly. It can be fragile and shaky, but not liquid.

      Which brings the question whether gelyfish-like material would be good thing to have in the books, since water evaporation from jelly is greatly reduced.

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    2. Re:Fact or fiction? by Rxke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      too viscous? just add another spoonful of the-cheap- stuff. Problem solved (no pun intended) BTW I sent the article to 4 paper restaurators, 2 already answered me in very enthousiastic ways... So it might be a killer-app in the making...

    3. Re:Fact or fiction? by Rxke · · Score: 1

      i guess they'll make some kind of nappie like things, that absorb the water, preventing the product itself to come into contact with the paper itself. Some kind of like the Gore-Tex sandwiches, already in use, but filled with 'normal' absorbants today.

    4. Re:Fact or fiction? by meridoc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's a link to a Sci. Am. article on super-absorbing stuff. At the bottom is a picture of water molecules associating with the polymer chain.

      It'll help to remember that the water/polymer association is just that: an association. This isn't a 1:1 bonding situation, so the carboxyl groups can attract more than one water molecule.

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  10. Hurricanes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would it be more cost effective to disperse this into the atmosphere and retrieve the jelly-like by-product than it would be to cover the damages of a hurricane?

  11. Hydrophilic? Hydrophobic! by Tom7 · · Score: 1

    Why don't we just infect the books with rabies-induced hydrophobia in the first place?

  12. Dynagel by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of the stuff called Dynagel used for that same purpose. However, preventing hurricanes from forming is a dangerious idea. After all, that's alot of energy that must be released. If you don't let the weather do it's job, it might just make for some nasty side effects later on that would put global warming to shame. It's basic thermodynamics really, you can't destroy energy. So your better off just getting rid of it naturally. And hurricanes seem to do the job just fine.

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    1. Re:Dynagel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...energy that must be released."
      "...getting rid of it naturally."

      *sigh*

    2. Re:Dynagel by Jonas+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      What? You can't destroy energy, like you said. Hurricane's move energy around, they don't get rid of it.

      But yeah, preventing hurricanes might be a bad thing.

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  13. Not dry as the article says. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Yes, but the result is still very wet.

  14. Oil Rig Pranksters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This stuff is often used to initiate new oil rig workers.
    1)You get them to hold a bag of it over their heads (e.g. ask them to hand it up to you)
    2)Take a knife and slice the bag open, covering them with the powder
    3)Dowse them with water, turning them into a gelly, goopy mess.
    4)Laugh your head off.

  15. Absorb liquid or water? by novakane007 · · Score: 1

    What about the pages in national geographic that are warped and stick together? Wil it be able to save those as well?

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    1. Re:Absorb liquid or water? by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      Not if those pages have bare-breasted native women on them.

    2. Re:Absorb liquid or water? by Rxke · · Score: 1

      nope, those glossy pages are a nightmare to restore into their original splendour; they're for a big percentage made of loose filler material, and optical whiteners, etc. all stuf that gets displaced when soaking wet... you could try to humidify them *slowly* and then carefully try to peel them, but chances are it'll not work. Afterwards, dry each page separately, between blotting paper, under weight ,remove blotting paper after 10 minutes, replace with dry, then same thing after 30 min, 1 hour, 2,4; a day, till dry... you get the picture:very time and labour consuming, and given the worth of a nat geogr secondhand, not practical to consider...

  16. Plastic by Triv · · Score: 1
    For historical books I understand this stuff completely, but I'm still trying to figure out why we don't print new books on plastic yet.

    It's not like it's not possible - there's a book of water-related erotica (called Aqua erotica, I think) that's completely waterproof and not in a kid's floating bath-book sense. It's printed completely on plastic and it's not all that much more expensive than a normal trade paper novel. The pages almost feel like paper, too.

    Just something to thing about.

    Triv

    1. Re:Plastic by quartertone · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't this result in the inability to recycle the material? If I remember correctly, even most color-printed magazines (the ones that have a glossy coat feel to the paper) are difficult to recycle.

      I believe the reason newsprint is of relatively low quality is so that it can be recycled easier. "Plastic paper" (oxymoron?) would be near impossible to recycle, if it is intended to be permanent and not degrade over time.

      On the other hand, so-called paper plastic might be used as an archival-quality print media... q

    2. Re:Plastic by TheLink · · Score: 1

      "Wouldn't this result in the inability to recycle the material?"

      They're trying to keep books not recycle them. Lots of people keep books. So far I've seen newspapers and some magazines regularly sent for recycling but haven't seen people chuck books in. Perhaps it's for the same reasons why book-burning seems a bigger deal than newspaper burning to many people.

      In any case if it's plastic which you can no longer recycle (you can recycle some) you just incinerate them in a power generating incinerator.

      After all, plastic comes from oil, and most countries burn oil for power anyway.

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  17. Excuse me? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1
    suck 2000 times in its body weight
    So this polymer is a living organism then?
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  18. This stuff is great by K-Man · · Score: 2, Informative
    I got a 5-lb bag from watersorb.com, and it has to be one of the most amusing substances I've seen in a while.

    A handful of the stuff will turn a gallon of water into gel almost instantly, and it has a shimmering, translucent appearance.

    Good for cleaning up toilet overflows, too.

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  19. Hyrdowhat now? by Xenothaulus · · Score: 1

    I read that as hydrophallic. And my WTF and subsequent peals of laughter must've been heard for blocks. Then I read the rest and realised that it didn't work, so I re-read it.

    To the researcher(s) who discovered we don't read letter by letter but rather by whole words, sometimes that is obviously not a good thing.
    1. Re:Hyrdowhat now? by BlastQuake · · Score: 1

      Nooo..keep the dancing badgers awaaaaay!

      Coren is clueless just like Tink.

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  20. Melcher Media by Cotton_S · · Score: 1

    So, I own that water proof book that you skeak of. Also another, "Cradle to Cradle," which describes an attempt to develop a better reycling ... well, cycle. Bill McDonough (architect) and Michael Braungart (chemist) have some really sound ideas about saving the planet while still producing stuff. The paper replacement is a plasic and natural resin combo - prototyped in the Melcher Media "Durabook"s. The need next is for an ink that can be boiled off, and reclaimed leaving a blank page and a batch of ink. (The "paper" might be re-used as is, or re-processed both without bleach or loss of structure.) But, as said, I'm not throwing this book away. Get your own, please! and Read it!

  21. Another way to preserve books... by dnahelix · · Score: 1

    ...is with a computer. duh.
    Why aren't all books digitized, yet?
    It must be done.
    NOW!

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  22. A few pages missing by annisette · · Score: 0

    like when you have a wet book, add a dry powder and then you have a drying book with a wet powder. Is the wet powder removed? and if so removed from each page seperatly? There would still need to be heat to dry the book and the powder to have it fall away from the pages. Sounds like a good way to save a book but saving alot of time could be a goal not achieved.

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