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Nintendo Announces Net Loss, New Prices

Daetrin writes "As reported by CNN/Reuters, Nintendo announced that they expect a net loss for the first half of the financial year, from April through September. Nintendo claims this is mainly due to exchange rates, as the yen has appreciated against foreign currencies during that period. This is reported as the first loss for Nintendo since its establishment. The projection for the full fiscal year was reduced to a [still significant] net profit of about $542 million U.S. Nintendo also announced further price cuts in other territories to follow the cut to $99 in the U.S.: 'Beginning on October 10, the console will have a suggested retail price of 79 pounds (approximately $131.8 U.S.) in Britain, and 99 euros (approximately $115.4 U.S.) in continental Europe. The new price of the GameCube in Japan is now 14,000 yen (approximately $126.5 U.S.)'"

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  1. Yen Problems by BigDork1001 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Taken from a story at planetgamecube.com : Nintendo blames much of the losses on the unexpected appreciation of the Japanese yen, citing roughly 40 billion yen in foreign exchange losses for the time span. Nintendo also disclosed it had originally planned to reduce the GameCube's price earlier in the year, and expects the new price to vastly improve sales during the holiday season.

    Nintendo just dropped the price of the GC. Now sales have gone up significantly. And with the sales of the consoles are sales of games. I'll bet that Nintendo will be back in the black real soon.

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    1. Re:Yen Problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also: On top of the price thing, very soon we have Super Mario Kart coming out, followed immediately by the christmas season.

      The N64 was not a great game machine, but it was used widespread, and for 90% of the people who played it, if you asked them what the N64 mean to them, it was Goldeneye and Super Mario Kart. Maybe Mario Party.

      This means, if nothing else, revenue.

    2. Re:Yen Problems by 0x0d0a · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Unbelivable. A Nintendo fan has just changed "Nintendo lost out in the market, is getting financially hammered, and is having to drop prices on its products to get them to sell" to "Nintendo is about to kick ass". Amazing. Even Linux doesn't get this degree of mindless dumb faith.

    3. Re:Yen Problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The projection for the full fiscal year was reduced to a [still significant] net profit of about $542 million U.S.

      Sounds down and out to me. There is no blind faith with Nintendo it is just a fact they make money and a lot of it. As long as Nintedo is brinning in 500 million is profits they will stick around.

      Oh and it you understood my comment don't complain about grammer, spelling or typing mistake!

    4. Re:Yen Problems by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Nintendo just dropped the price of the GC. Now sales have gone up significantly. "

      I'm probably going to buy a second one when Mario Kart comes out for it. My gf and I still play MK64. We're looking forward to the new game, plus the ability to play on two seperate TVs.

      Part of me wonders if the broadband adapter + multi player games + cheap GC will = impressive demand for the system. That'd kick ass!

      In the mean time, I hope the next system from Nintendo comes with a dual-monitor/TV adapter. Splitscreen is painful. Also makes it hard to play games where you can't hide from the other player.

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    5. Re:Yen Problems by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "The N64 was not a great game machine,"

      What? It had good games and four controller ports. (also it didn't start skipping 1 day after the warranty ran out.) Not a great game machine?

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    6. Re:Yen Problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Mike, you are one silly mofo.

    7. Re:Yen Problems by digitalsushi · · Score: 1

      i wonder if you'll be able to hook more than 2 cubes together. we play so much kart where i live (since '92!) that, for an extra 200 bucks a head (99-cube, 50-game, 50-used-tv) i could almost cost justify it. almost. cept its a video game. i'd still spend it, though.

      anyways. i heard a nasty rumor that you can only play these over a local lan. they wont go into the internet. if that's true, we're going to look at using openvpn to bridge our lans together. wonder how it'll perform with slightly larger latency.

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    8. Re:Yen Problems by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      I read 16 players, which is 4 game cubes @ 4 controllers each.

      I haven't heard anything about internet play, if I were you, I'd plan on no internet play.

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  2. Because Nintendo is back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nintendo will be back in the black

    They hit the sack. It has been too long; they are glad to be back. Yes, they are dead loose from the noose that has kept them hanging around. They are just living on the side because it is getting them high. Forget the hearse because they never die. They have nine lives (cat's eyes). Each and every one of them is wondering why. Because they are back.

  3. Bad Press by sirmikester · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its too bad that stories like this keep getting posted about Nintendo. In this case the losses come from the depreciation of the yen against the dollar, but I'm sure that some people will just glance at the story and assume that Nintendo is hurting financially. I hope that this bad press doesn't discourage anyone from getting a gamecube right now, its a great machine at a great price :)

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    1. Re:Bad Press by mausmalone · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah... for those of you just glancing and wondering how much the Yen-Dollar conversion factors in, here's the rundown (off the top of my head... everything is estimated; $USD).

      1) This is the first time Nintendo has posted a loss ever. Also, this is a mid-year estimate, not an end of year report. It basically means squat.

      2) Nintendo expected to gain about $150 million, but lost about $25 million. That means somewhere along the way Nintendo "lost" about $175 million.

      3) With Yen conversion losses, Nintendo lost about $360 million. That means that if the Yen conversion had stayed stable, Nintendo would have $360 million more, putting them at $180 million above estimates.

      So, yeah, they're doing A-OK, just didn't forsee the Yen doing so poorly. If the Yen picks back up for the second half of the fiscal year, they'll easily beat estimates.

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    2. Re:Bad Press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this will make Metroid Prime unplayable?

  4. How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I wonder? To which degree did each of the following contribute to this loss, and is there any way to know?
    1. The currency exchange rate changes, like Nintendo says
    2. This last six months has been a very dry spell for Nintendo games. There were some itermittant cool things for GC (Mega Man!) and a handful of GBA masterpieces (Wario Ware, Castlevania AOS), but by and large after Wind Waker there wasn't a lot of activity on the new Nintendo games front until September. September marked the beginning of a huge three-month wave of really really good Nintendo titles, but still. Has this affected Nintendo's sales?
    3. There have been vague rumors of Nintendo announcing the GC2 and/or GBA2 at the next E3. Could some of their potential profit have been eaten up by the development costs for that over the last six months?
    If Nintendo really lost money because of the Yen thing, then we should be able to go back, look up the changes in Yen over the last six months, and determine exactly how much money Nintendo would have made if not for the Yen thing and see if it would have been a profit, right?
    1. Re:How much? by iainl · · Score: 1

      "This last six months has been a very dry spell for Nintendo games"

      Artistically, maybe, though I'd argue that WarioWare is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

      Financially, there is the "small" matter of new Pokemon releases, which made a fairly huge splash.

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  5. But not only that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because they are back.

    But an important thing to keep in mind is that they are back once again with the renegade master. Deep thought damager, power to the people. Back once again with the renegade master.

    Deep thought damager with the ill behavior. Back with the equal. Power to the equal.

    The importance of this cannot be underestimated.

    1. Re:But not only that by Sevn · · Score: 1

      With the master? Somebody better call the doctor so he can tardis his ass in to help.

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    2. Re:But not only that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a Dr. Who referance but a referance to Blaster Master

  6. Nintendo v. Sony v. MS by superultra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's fairly important not to forget that Nintendo is the only company in the console manufacturing business whose only business is consoles (including handhelds). Nintendo doesn't have a line of electronic devices or movies or operating system to fall back on. We'll never really hear if the Xbox or PS2 divisions of Sony and MS are losing money because those are largely internal divisions, whereas if Nintendo is losing money it's solely because of poor console/software sales.

    It *is* notable that it's the first time Nintendo has posted a loss, but I think that this may be slightly representative of the gaming market at large. We're on the downhill from here to 2005 in the sense that the market is no longer hard-core first adopters but largely families or potential multiple console owners.

    The good news is that Nintendo will probably just keep on being Nintendo. That means we'll continue to see one or two extremely high quality Gamecube games until and perhaps even into the next console lifespan. The bad news is that, well, Nintendo will just keep on being Nintendo. That means that if there's one of the three companies feeling a bit like a third wheel, it's Nintendo. What with the PSP on the horizon that may potentially do to the portable market what the PSX did to home console market,

    I think Nintendo's in a rough spot here. They're stubborn bastards though, and I don't think they'll go down without a fight, nintendo-style. The problem is that while Nintendo-style is good for those of us here and the serious gaming community, I don't think it's a viable strategy for the post-PSX/GTA market (regretably).

    1. Re:Nintendo v. Sony v. MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's fairly important not to forget that Nintendo is the only company in the console manufacturing business whose only business is consoles (including handhelds). Nintendo doesn't have a line of electronic devices or movies or operating system to fall back on.

      *cough cough trading cards cough*

    2. Re:Nintendo v. Sony v. MS by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "It *is* notable that it's the first time Nintendo has posted a loss, but I think that this may be slightly representative of the gaming market at large. We're on the downhill from here to 2005 in the sense that the market is no longer hard-core first adopters but largely families or potential multiple console owners."

      On the bright side, it does light a fire under Nintendo to do even better next time around. Might even see their next system before everybody else....

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    3. Re:Nintendo v. Sony v. MS by Adam+Jenkins · · Score: 1

      Well they did have a history of going with whatever makes money at the time, whether it's playing cards, "love hotels" or game consoles.
      Maybe Nintendo can run a few lapdancing clubs til the Gamecube market picks up? :-)

  7. Expected by Omega037 · · Score: 1

    With Microsoft jumping into the market with XBOX, you can expect Nintendo to be hurting. Nintendo has always stood for quality, adn often "better" systems. The N64 clearly surpassed PSX and Saturn. However, Nintendo didn't have the resources to compete technologically with someone like Microsoft, who was willing to take a huge dive on this console. However, Nintendo still has a lot of things going for it. Besides the obvious name recognition and willingness to drop prices often, Nintendo has over a decade of classic games and franchises from which it can exploit. Zelda, Kirby, MegaMan, Mario, Castlevania, and Metroid are just a few of the classics that Nintendo owns. In recent years the number of new classics has decreased, but there still are games like Pokemon, Super Smash Bros., and Mario Party. Eventually, Nintendo may end up like Sega, without their own console, but with enough clout and game franchises to still do very well. Besides, in this economy and given how badly the other systems seem to be generating revenue, I don't think Nintendo has too much to worry about yet.

    1. Re:Expected by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      2 questions...

      Is Sega doing "very well"?

      Does the limits/benifits of a cartridge make a better system?

      My personal answers are no and no (wasn't Sega desperate to be purchased and doesn't lack of textures, voice and music make for less of a gameplay expierience)

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    2. Re:Expected by Omega037 · · Score: 0

      Sega is surviving, which it wasn't doing while trying to support a console. As for the second question, the hardware does not make a ton of difference so long as it is used correctly. PSX used discs to make great sound and visuals. N64 instead focused on fast loading games and games with savable memory.

    3. Re:Expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fucking moron. Nintendo doesnt own MegaMan, Capcom does. And Castlevania, Konami. Check your facts before you open your mouth and make a complete ass of yourself.

    4. Re:Expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nintendo has over a decade of classic games and franchises from which it can exploit. Zelda, Kirby, MegaMan, Mario, Castlevania, and Metroid are just a few of the classics that Nintendo owns.

      MegaMan is Capcom, and Castlevania is Konami. Sorry.

    5. Re:Expected by Omega037 · · Score: 1

      I was just throwing out examples, I knew that not all of them were Nintendo, just most of them. I didn't feel like looking up whether they were or not since it made no difference to my point.

    6. Re:Expected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Zelda, Kirby, MegaMan, Mario, Castlevania, and Metroid are just a few of the classics that Nintendo owns."

      Megaman is Capcom and Castlevania is Konami. Sure they were on N consoles, but N doesn't "own" them.

      Also you should have ordered them alphabetically or by original release date of first title. It looks like you were going for reverse-alpha and forgot all about it when you came back from getting some more of that cheese that comes in a spray can.

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  8. Re:Hate to say it... by MIKE+HAWK+TROLL · · Score: 0, Troll

    How many N-Gage units has Nokia shipped?

  9. Do these prices include sales tax? by aldoman · · Score: 1

    For UK/Europe pricing?

    1. Re:Do these prices include sales tax? by nano2nd · · Score: 1

      I would say yes. VAT (value added tax - 17.5% in UK) is implicitly included in all pricing for consumer goods that it applies to. Looking at the pricing in Euros, I would say the same goes for Europe.

  10. X-Box by nippinout · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The X-Box has yet to turn a profit for the Home & Entertainment division at Microsoft. -2.3 billion in video games.

  11. Re:Hate to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you insinuating that you are not yourself a fanboy, of the pro-Nokia, pro-Microsoft, anti-Nintendo type? Your posting history shows that you are a troll who attracts other trolls.

    I don't know why you you still have positive karma.

  12. Re:Pounds & Euros? by BigDork1001 · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are incorrect, they do not use Euros in the UK. They still use Pounds there.

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  13. Re:Pounds & Euros? by vtechpilot · · Score: 1

    ya, I got curious after I posted and went to Europa and found out for myself.

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  14. Anti-fanboy by Daetrin · · Score: 1
    You know, the anti-fanboys like you are just as irrational and tunnel-sighted as the fanboys.

    There are two reasons i submited this article. First, if a Nintendo anti-fanboy noticed the report and submited it first, they would have done their best to play up the negative side as much as possible, such as you do with every report about Nintendo, good or bad. (Note how eager you are to post in response to this article, but remained strangely quiet about the quadrupled sales of the GameCube.)

    I thought it was better to have the article submited by a (more) neutral party who would actually present the whole story. Nintendo is facing a likely loss for the first half. That loss is partly due to poor sales, and partly due to the currency market. Nintendo is projecting lowered profit expectations for the full year, but is still expecting a pretty significant profit. And finally they're implementing a new price point in many countries, the similar cut in the US having already caused a huge surge in console sales here.

    Second of all, unlike you fanboys and anti-fanboys, i'm interested in finding out the facts without concern for whether or not they fit a pre-conceived notion of what i want the facts to be. This is interesting news, whether or not i like what it means (and what it means is open for debate of course.) How many times have you posted anything about Nintendo doing well? Or have you only sought out information that supports your own view that Nintendo is doomed?

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  15. Idea time by DumbWhiteGuy777 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I still say that if any console released an SDK, they would beat the others overnight. They'd lose all their income from licensing fees, but their console sales would be through the roof with all the games that would be popping up, and games really do make the system.

  16. Re:Hate to say it... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

    "TOLD YOU SO. Alright y'all, fanboy up! "

    That might bother the fan boys if you had read the article and still felt good about saying that.

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  17. Re:Pounds & Euros? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear vtechpilot,

    You are a fool.

    Love Mr. Limey

  18. yen/dollar bullshit. by grimani · · Score: 1

    as if nintendo is the only company based in japan.

    what the fuck is sony then?

    1. Re:yen/dollar bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It hurt them too. They were just far enough over the break-even mark for it not to show up as a loss. Did you know that other than it's gaming and camera divisions, Sony isn't so hot?

    2. Re:yen/dollar bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ummmm, Sony is a HUGE company that sells a large line of electronic devices so they have plently of room for their video game sales to drop and dont make a big fuss if they lose some money

  19. You're actually right by yerricde · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if any console released an SDK, they would beat the others overnight.

    That would be PS2 and GBA, the top two non-PC game systems in the States. The PS2 console has Linux for PlayStation 2, and the GBA handheld has the unofficial DevKit Advance and a community around it. So the systems with publicly available development tools have the biggest market share, even if the relationship isn't exactly causal.

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  20. Nintendo is about one hundred and seven years old by blackeyes · · Score: 1

    This is the first loss Nintendo has posted since it started making video games or in its entire 100-plus year history?

  21. Final Fantasy by Dragoon · · Score: 1

    If they'd release Final Fantasy: CC faster.. they could recoup any losses :)

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