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The Best Frying Pan Ever

caulfield writes "Nano-tech saves the day again! Czech out the newest non-stick surface. Applications include: faster submarines, effecient raincoats, and coffee-proof keyboards."

59 comments

  1. Czech out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That has to be one of the strangest misspellings ever in a /. article. A salute to you, sir!

    1. Re:Czech out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally I try to be careful when spelling, but lately I've been making some creative misspellings. Examples: should instead of showed, buch instead of buck.

    2. Re:Czech out? by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      I was just Rushin' to Czech this out but I china went too fast and missed the pun.

  2. What, Praha tell, is with the spelling? by babbage · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Czech out the newest non-stick surface.

    Is there any particular reason that the original poster mentioned the name of the Czech Republic, rather than the English word "check"? At first I thought it may have been some kind of pun on research done in Prague or something, but no -- a quick scan over the BBC article and I see no mention of any places other than the UK and USA.

    Simple, typical Slashdot spelling, or some kind of dangling reference?

    THE WORLD MUST KNOW.

    1. Re:What, Praha tell, is with the spelling? by caulfield · · Score: 1

      Wow, I wasn't expecting such an outcry wrt this novel spelling. The reason I used 'czech' instead of 'check' is really because my cool big brother does it. I asked him why he does it and he says, "I do it cause it's my thing. Dunno. It's a cool homophone error that no one would make by accident." So there you have it. I guess I don't deserve all these accolades for the coolest misspelling even on /.

    2. Re:What, Praha tell, is with the spelling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir, thou art an inspiration to all of us whose goal it is to impede unserdanting and dispurt normal thought prossseces!

    3. Re:What, Praha tell, is with the spelling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you deserve accolades for the stupidest misspelling and stupidest reason for misspelling ever.

      Your brother is just as stupid as everyone that misspells something because they think it's "cool" (hint: it's not). You're stupid for emulating him.
      Now stop it and grow up, please?

    4. Re:What, Praha tell, is with the spelling? by TheDude2084 · · Score: 1

      Arbiters of cool:

      More fibre.

      - The aforementioned brother

  3. frying pans? by russellh · · Score: 1

    Sheesh. uncoated iron, steel, tinned copper.

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  4. not just subs... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but any watercraft. And not just watercraft, but anything that would be more efficient with less friction. If they can get the cost down to that of, say, automotive paint, then they'll really have something with huge market impact in an incredible number of industries.

    1. Re:not just subs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      think about all the water saved if they put it in toilets.

  5. Reality Check! by 0x69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, the bottom of your fry pan is covered with jillions of those teflon microspikes, so your eggs can't possibly stick. But will all those microspikes (and the air trapped between 'em) conduct heat well enough for your eggs to cook decently?

    Now comes time to take up your eggs, and you slip your trusty pancake flippy in to move 'em to your plate. Did you just damage a bunch of those skinny, fragile-looking microspikes?

    Next, you put the microspike coating on your boat's hull. How long does it take to degrade it to uselessness? Lots of microorganisms might find the little spaces between those spikes to be a cozy home...you've got a not-so-special familiar kind of slimy slipperyness once they displace the air in there.

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    1. Re:Reality Check! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should that be Reality "Czech"?

    2. Re:Reality Check! by BobGarcia · · Score: 2, Informative

      Couple of points...

      1) The posting title notwithstanding, cooking applications are not mentioned as an application for this material; however, Teflon is used to coat heat exchangers. I think your eggs would do just fine. TEFLON -- it's not just for breakfast anymore.

      2) Little living bits don't stick to Teflon. It's used in medical apps -- and those heat exchangers -- for just that reason.

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    3. Re:Reality Check! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually ive found most tefloncoatings rapidly degrade..its because teflon doesnt stick to anything .. not even your frying pan. so you scrape it off gradually since its stuck on by mechanical bonding.
      thats why teflon fry pans rarely last > 1 yr.

  6. automotive paint by cgenman · · Score: 1

    Actually, what the nanocoating does is prevent the water from flowing down into the spaces between the spikes, but (if I'm reading this correctly) the flow friction is a combination of the teflon surface and the air flowing between the nanospikes. Hence, if you grew microcrystals on your car, it air would flow around and through the spikes, and you would slow your car down significantly. In addition, the most significant negative forces on your car (and in many flow situations) are drag from turbulence and air pressure. If the military wants a racing submarine capable of beating a traditional water-born craft, it will have to find a way to create perfectly smooth flow over a non-smooth surface.

    Not to say that either of those are what the poster implied. But the technology does not solve the only problems with liquid movement. And it certainly won't find its way onto the family station wagon.

    1. Re:automotive paint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct.

  7. I second that... by morcheeba · · Score: 1

    The raincoat idea ... we already have completely waterproof raincoats. What people really want is a surface that is more breathable, too. Does this have the potential to be better than Goretex?

  8. Even better use by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Funny


    three-words: high speed condoms.
    I'm looking forward to condoms made from this because There's two things I've never gotten used to and that's the smell of burning rubber and screaming women.

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    1. Re:Even better use by Gruturo · · Score: 1

      three-words: high speed condoms.

      Make sure you wear them correctly, and not upside down!!!!

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    2. Re:Even better use by Cuthalion · · Score: 1

      Yes, all the friction produced with regular condoms leads to potentially embarassing "sensation", which we would all clearly be best without.

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    3. Re:Even better use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But will it be a symmetric connection?

    4. Re:Even better use by Tracy+Reed · · Score: 1

      If you smoke after sex you're doing it too fast.

  9. How strong/durable is this? by goombah99 · · Score: 1
    Would these teflon micropoints be robust under wear or heat? For example can I make a downhil Ski out of them? What about as a bearing lubricant or coating? would the forces or heat involve crush/melt these tiny points?

    I dont know. I'm just asking.

    Obviously if they were bigger objects then their bulk points of failure and ability to dissipate heat would not be adequate (for teflon) but perhaps on the molecular scale these things have non-bulk shear strengths and can rapidly shed heat given a huge surface to volume ratio??

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  10. Sniff this post by orthogonal · · Score: 1

    Note that the substance being used is Teflon, so as to start with a good non-stick surface and make it even less sticky by crafting its surface into "nano-spikes"

    Now Teflon is poisonous to birds in quantities small enough that pet birdscan be killed just by fumes given off by Teflon cookware in normal use.

    It can also cause flu-like symptoms in humans (see above link).

    I would imagine (but don't know) that if you form the Teflon into "nano-spikes", you increase the service area and thus can expect more fumes to be produced.

    So how important is non-stick to you?

    1. Re:Sniff this post by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Informative

      I didn't know that. For another source on hazard to humans, check this out. Yikes...

    2. Re:Sniff this post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Now there are reports that temperatures as low as 285 degrees can cause death to birds.

      According to that site, the heat can kill the bird before the fumes do!

    3. Re:Sniff this post by poptones · · Score: 1
      It doesn't stop there. Worse of all, I think, are those "no stick cooking sprays." Ever bother to read the ingredients of PAM? The stuff has cooking oil with TEFLON held in a liquid suspension!

      I can't stand it. My father uses it to cook bisquits but the guy is 80 and I doubt anything he eats now is going to shorten his life. But I can taste and smell that shit when it's been sprayed onto a pan, and if you can taste it there's no doubt you're eating it.

      I think it's hilarious how crap like this is put into food but it's illegal to smoke a doobie all in the name of "protecting the consumer." Ah well... when all the idiots have been killed off by cancer, maybe there'll be someone left with some sense to do something about the idiotic laws.

    4. Re:Sniff this post by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      NONSENSE!

      Ever bother to read the ingredients of PAM???????:
      Canola oil, grain alcohol from corn (added for clarity), lecithin from soybeans (prevents sticking), and propellant.
      (c) copyright international home foods
      Parsippany, NJ 07054
      yeah, it tastes nasty, but man, don't spew ignorant shit like that

  11. Hey, I know that guy! by lfm_the_couch · · Score: 1

    I work for UCLA's MAE (Mech & Aerospace Eng) Dept. Prof. Kim's a pretty cool guy and it's great to see his work featured on Slashdot! w00t!11!!

  12. Similar discovery in Isreal quuite a while ago by bob_calder · · Score: 1

    A surface treatment was discovered in Isreal last year that uses an arrangement of spheres. The REALLY cool thing about it is that by spacing the spheres the right way to tune the wavelength, you can change the color. V-cute

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  13. Yes but... by El · · Score: 1

    have they solved the problem of you to get the non-stick surface to stick to the frying pan?

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    1. Re:Yes but... by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Yeah. A long time ago. They use a primer that physically holds on to micro-scratches in the surface. Marginally more details from The Straight Dope.

  14. needles? by Transcendent · · Score: 1

    If they can get all those tiny needles.... wouldn't the surface be smoother WITHOUT the needles, and therfore have less friction?

    1. Re:needles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody else posted this, but it explains it much better than I was going to.
      http://www.sharky-jones.com/Sharkyjones/Slow/ QandA /QA6%20-%20scales.html

      And no I'm not making it a clickable link. If you cannot cut & paste in 3 simple steps you are need to put the keyboard down and step away from the Slashdot.

    2. Re:needles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you cannot cut & paste in 3 simple steps you are need to put the keyboard down and step away from the Slashdot.

      If you cannot type <a href=...> in a matter of seconds, then you should put the keyboard down and step away from the Slashdot...

    3. Re:needles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no. friction is dependant on surface area - a flat surface creates more friction than a bumpy one of even height.

    4. Re:needles? by 68K · · Score: 1

      Friction is INDEPENDANT of surface area. Check your physics books. If there's less surface area there's higher pressure, so the friction stays the same.

      http://zebu.uoregon.edu/1999/ph161/friction.html

      As a general rule, of course. This can change depending what materials you're using.

  15. Something tells me this doesn't compare to NFC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  16. Nanotech? by MarkusQ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nano-tech saves the day again!

    This isn't nanotech. While it may be a nifty advance in materials technology, it's still produced "in the large" by relatively conventional methods. Calling this sort of thing nanotechnology is like calling someone a computer scientist because they know how to send e-mail, or perhaps calling an abacus a "high speed digital computer".

    Yes, it is technology, and yes, it involves very small things, but the technology isn't at the nanoscale, even if in some sense the product is.

    -- MarkusQ

    1. Re:Nanotech? by Bourbon+Man · · Score: 1

      But this technology could be used to reduce friction on an abacus, making it faster!

  17. ... condoms too. by torpor · · Score: 1

    Imagine that!

    Of course, you'd have to make the instructions for use idiot-proof, which is where the *really* amazing science happens ... ;)

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    1. Re:... condoms too. by softspokenrevolution · · Score: 1

      I believe that you actually want friction in your prophelatic devices, unless you're one of those types where your partner just wants it over and done with as quickly as possible.

  18. Submarines by Alsee · · Score: 1

    If you think about submarines in a marine environment, the defence department will be very excited to hear about this," CJ Kim, an engineer at the University of California at Los Angeles, told BBC World Service's Discovery programme

    On the other hand...

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  19. Anything but submarines by Caractacus+Potts · · Score: 1

    It seems that for the nanoturf to work, there needs to be air surrounding the spikes so that a minimum solid-liquid interface occurs. If you attempt to use this principle with a submarine, the air pockets are going to shrink significantly as depth increases. Also, corrosion loves pointy things.

    1. Re:Anything but submarines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In water the spikes would hold a layer of water around the skin and the effect would still work. Shark skin has similar spikes but on a much larger scale. Speedo has even made some body swimsuits based on these principles.

  20. almost as deadly as DHMO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.dhmo.org

  21. Frictionless keyboards... by netsharc · · Score: 1

    wouldn't it be a pain trying to type on them? I imagine it would be like handling wet soap, your fingers would slip everytime they try to push down the keys.

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  22. A Toilet would be the best use of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the modern world would buy one.
    I for one would pay much more to have a
    toilet that would not need to be cleaned.

    I think this would make an excellent
    demonstration. (Kidding aside, perhaps
    a frictionless toilet would require less
    water to work - now thats a idea!)

    1. Re:A Toilet would be the best use of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, I really don't mind the cleaning, but I would pay double for one that flushes the first time, everytime.

    2. Re:A Toilet would be the best use of this by softspokenrevolution · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but how the hell are you going to sit on it?

  23. I'm not suprised by weeboo0104 · · Score: 1

    There's two things I've never gotten used to and that's the smell of burning rubber and screaming women.

    Somehow I doubt that ANY slashdotter has had the opportunity to get used to a woman screaming in ecstacy.

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  24. An even better surface 1000's years old by mindslip · · Score: 1

    Get a really nice cast iron frying pan (or for eggs and pancakes, a flat griddle.

    Pour a handful of table salt and a tablespoon of olive oil into it. Heat it up until it's hot but not quite frying. Take it off the heat.

    Grab a few pieces of paper towel, and fold over a few times until you have a nice thick paper towel pad.

    Sand the heck out of the frying pan's surface with the hot oil/salt mixture.

    Rinse well, and immediately put back on the heat to evaporate the remaining water (to prevent the pan rusting). By the way, *never* wash an iron pan unless you do it this way. You'll rust it out.

    Voila. You've got a *much* healthier, and *much* smoother surface than a teflon pan, and it can take all the abuse you can hurl at it.

    mindslip

    1. Re:An even better surface 1000's years old by annisette · · Score: 1

      The same treatment also works (and like you say, should be done) for steel woks

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  25. Gosh 'n gollies, that's fabulous! by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    Wow, what a world-changing revolution!

    "with [regard to] "modern improvements"; there is an illusion about them; there is not always a positive advance. The devil goes on exacting compound interest to the last for his early share and numerous succeeding investments in them. Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. They are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which it was already but too easy to arrive at; as railroads lead to Boston or New York. We are in great haste to construct a magnetic telegraph from Maine to Texas; but Maine and Texas, it may be, have nothing important to communicate."

    --Thoreau, "Walden"

  26. Non-stick is not always desirable by McSpew · · Score: 1

    Ask any cook worth his/her pinch of salt and they'll tell you that non-stick pans are not good for a lot of things. Specifically, any time you want to cook a meat to a nice brown color and then make a sauce, you specifically don't want a non-stick pan. You actually want little bits of the meat to stick to your pan as you cook.

    Why, you ask? Because, those little bits that stick to the pan undergo something called the Maillard reaction (similar to sugars caramelizing) which results in deliciously complex flavors you can't get otherwise. Plus, when you're done cooking the meat, you can deglaze those little stuck bits with some water, alcohol, vegetable or fruit juice and the deglazed bits will form the basis of your sauce.

    That's one of the reasons why chefs will pay $200 and up for a clad saute pan that appears to be stainless steel (definitely not non-stick).

  27. Mazola by poptones · · Score: 1

    My bad... try mazola. Methyl Silicone

    1. Re:Mazola by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      yum yum, a lubricant and also used for insulators in some capacitors and transformers. Non-toxic and inert in the body ( we hope) according to MSDS, but I wouldn't really want to be eating that crap.