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142 Directors Appeal MPAA to Repeal Screener Ban

Londovir writes "Nearly 150 directors, including heavy hitters such as Robert Altman, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Redford, and others have sent a letter to Jack Valenti & the MPAA. In the letter, published in the Friday issue of Variety, they call for an end to the ban on screeners, suggesting that the lack of screeners will harm the potential of movies that take risks and rely on critical acclaim. Despite the star power behind those signing on the letter, and after a conference call with 3 studio executives, what was the MPAA's response? "...the screener policy remains as it was originally announced." Will this mean an end to Academy Awards going to movies that open in only 100 theaters nationwide, or will it take an entire studio chain such as Universal or MGM to knock some sense into Valenti's mind?"

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  1. Re: Story {Score; -6, Dupe) by Ianoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When does slashdot ever post stories that haven't appeared on other sources first? It's a news aggregation portal, not CNN, damnit.

  2. MPAA accountability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since the MPAA isn't directly accountable to the directors I don't think this will have much of an effect. What it would require is for the studios themselves which are members of the MPAA to take stands against these actions.

  3. Who needs the MPAA? by t0rnt0pieces · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will this mean an end to Academy Awards going to movies that open in only 100 theaters nationwide, or will it take an entire studio chain such as Universal or MGM to knock some sense into Valenti's mind?"

    I doubt it will mean the end of Oscars going to art films, but it could mean the end of the MPAA. Who needs them anyway? The Academy Awards are given by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. Why does the MPAA even have any say in who sends AMPAS screeners movies?

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    1. Re:Who needs the MPAA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      MPAA is a watch dog just like RIAA in the record industry. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe MPAA's board members are current or ex studio execs. There is absolutely no way studios like Universal would ever "knock some sense into Valenti's mind," as both share common interests.

      But really, while artists' (directors') interest is to have their films widely distributed and acknowledged, MPAA and studios have completely different interests, economical only. Studios push their films for Oscar nominations, but their motivation is only to make bigger gross in pre- and post oscar periods. Of course they will stop sending DVDs if that discs are the main source of piracy.

      Thanks MPAA for keeping illegal DVD copies off the street. I feel so safe now that I no longer feel that I need to find DeCSS for my laptop.

  4. Duh by dolo666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Screeners comprise only about 49.847723% of the actual pirated software on the net. It's like this because it's convenient for pirates to snag a copy of the film and use it, before the film is released.

    Banning screeners would mean that the industry is starting to cave in from the piracy movement. Is that what you want? Do you want Hollywood to crumble? But wait a minute.

    Ten dollars for a bag of popcorn and a pop?

    Five dollars for a box of candy?

    Maybe there is more here than meets the eye! Maybe it's not that pirates want to ruin Hollywood. Maybe the public is saying somthing to the movie industry about other possible reforms that should be considered.

    Like going to the theater when there are a couple of goofs talking through the whole movie. Or when some smelly guys wears flip-flops that are five years old, and sits near you while he adjusts his seat every five seconds.

    The whole experience of the movies has declined since the eighties, while a lot of other industries have improved (like the video game industry).

    Banning screeners is the way to go, if you want to hurt the little indy film maker, but maybe some smart person will release their films ONLY to the internet, and become the next Bill Gates.

    1. Re:Duh by Multics · · Score: 4, Insightful
      WAIT, STOP, Hold your horses.

      In reality, most screeners are needed because the movie company has not put a movie in general release and thus if you're a voting member in say Lake Tahoe, there is no way to see most of the movies that you're supposed to be voting on (Smelly kid or not).

      No, the solution here is to allow screeners, but to digitally mark each one of them such that they can be identified (not just on the markable/scratchable skin of the DVD). That way, when one is 'discovered' in the used market, the person who released it can be fined or removed from getting any others.

      They'll use technology against us customer scum, but they won't use it to clean up their own house.

      Jack 'Boom Boom' Valenti's time has long past. He is second only to the RIAA in creepyness both by policy and in person. Thankfully at age 82, he'll be done soon anyway.

      -- Multics

    2. Re:Duh by neonstz · · Score: 4, Insightful
      No, the solution here is to allow screeners, but to digitally mark each one of them such that they can be identified

      This is already being done. However, most release-groups remove the serials (by blurring or just placing a black box) on the movies they release.

    3. Re:Duh by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful
      No, the solution here is to allow screeners, but to digitally mark each one of them such that they can be identified


      Every time this comes up, someone mentions that same thing, and there is also someone like myself who replies to say that they have already been doing this for a good long time.

      Release groups already know how to detect and remove this information. There isn't all that much you can do to mark a copy in a way that will remain when it is re-encoded, but won't turn the quality of the movie to complete crap.
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    4. Re:Duh by kenthorvath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am an avid movie-goer and I find the cost is well worth the experience of the movie theater. I admit that Friday and Saturday nights I usually don't plan on seeing a movie because of the tendency of immature teanie boppers to flock together and act boisterously, however this is not something that is easy to deal with - nor would the theaters want to, because they are a LARGE part of the audience. Instead, I find myself going on evenings and midday after work. Sometimes I take an extended lunch break. I almost always get in on a matinee, but when I can do that, my university ID gets me in to AMC for only $6. As for popcorn and soda, I will pay $3 for a large diet coke, but I'm no big fan of popcorn anyway, and the money that I spend on concessions helps keep the theater and not the studios in business. I'm happy to pay that, I might even make a donation of a few dollars every time I go, if I felt it were warrented. The big screen experience is an indispensible part of my repetoire of entertainment.

    5. Re:Duh by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good preaching, man. I HATE the movie theatre experience. Ever since I moved to Atlanta, it's been a nightmare every time.

      If it's not the droves of gangsta wannabe teenagers, it's the middle-aged overweight women who can't stop talking. The $6 soda. The drive. How about the 6.1 audio system with a blown rear-channel speaker?

      The smell of most theaters alone is enough to get me to not go. A combination of a society who's more talk than action on it's hygene and lazy immigrants who don't care about their jobs enough to actually clean the theaters properly on occasion. Then there's the whole SARS season rolling in on us soon.

      And my friends think I am messed up for buying a 56" DLP HDTV for my movie watching.. I get similar visual quality as I would in the theater, but I get to pause the action for a potty break, pop some popcorn for $0.30, drink a soda for $0.25, wear my Pj's and do whatever lewd cuddling I want with my woman without having to be discreet.

      Here's the funny thing. The same people who think I am a bit nutty for spending some bread on this stuff are the ones who eat out at staple food resturants 3-5 times a week, go to the movies 2-3 times a week, then go have desert at specialty shops, etc. That adds up to hundreds upon hundreds a month, especially if you are dragging along a member of the opposite sex.

      If they would only get into the pattern of learning to cook and do these things for themselves, work on making life at home better instead of funding mega-corporations every chance they get, they'd learn that when doing these things in your own home results in better foods, better coffee, better deserts, better movie watching experiences, and a more relaxed life (having not dealt with crowds or rude people).

      I say all this, having stopped at Starbucks a few minutes ago because I was late leaving the house and did not have time to brew my own coffee.

      I think the RIAA had planned on directors complaining. They are, of course, the people who have expensive theaters in their homes specifically to impress guests with DVD screeners. Don't just think of the awards, the directors aren't, either.. :)

      What gets me, Hollywood actually thinks people are satisfied enough with watching a Divx of a screener instead of renting/buying the DVD. I guess they've never watched a Divx on anything bigger than 36" display. There's no comparison. Now, if people were posting the raw, unencrypted DVD on Kazaa, that'd be a different story. Most movie pirate types I have encountered seem to deal with quantity instead of quality, so I doubt that'll happen anytime soon, not on a large scale. Though, you occasionally see an uncompressed screener go through usenet on occasion..

      Rent a DVD, skip the theater, drive them out of business through natural selection.

    6. Re:Duh by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 2, Funny

      No need to be Mr. Inflammatory-Point-by-point-Man, I'm not bragging or have much of an attitude about this stuff. I'm just honest with my words and don't have a PR department to filter what I've got to say.

      So, let's see.. I'm an asshole for mentioning that immigrant labor in my area is the pits. I'm an idiot for stopping at Starbucks because I was thirsty for coffee made with filtered water. But apparently, my sexuality is in question because I don't stink. I'm not sure how derogatory gay comments and stereotypes make one less an asshole than not caring for dealing with non-english speaking immigrants. I'd hate to think of the quality of female that would share bed with a man who attacks people who support good hygene, anyway.

      Phat stuff? Nah, the new Pioneer systems have LCoS, which is superior to DLP systems, IMO. They don't use a color wheel, so they'll last a lot longer (if designed properly, no moving parts), they also support 1920x1080(progressive!) native. The DLP only supports 1280x720p. I wish I could afford one, but I was trying to make a point that you missed: If you don't piss your money away feeding social habits, then the financial opportunity to make life at home a bit more entertaining and fulfilling becomes available. That's the only wisdom I was trying to extend to the masses. Anything outside of that and you are blowing hot air up my anus for little cause..

      I'm well aware that raw DVD is traded online. I just have serious doubts about it happening more than Divx. In terms of 'traffic' I can see it passing more bits, but not in number of movies since a Divx is about 1/10th the size of a raw DVD. That's like comparing WAV file traffic to MP3 traffic. Sadly, I am no expert here. I didn't claim to be. I'm also not a pirate, so I am slightly ignorant about the quantities of traffic outside of what I have seen on Usenet and Kazaa.

      I really don't see much of a point in all that 'trading'.. Just wait until it comes out on NetFlix, rent it, then if you want to be a theif, just copy the DVD then. I guess some people live for the 'cool' factor of being a leet haxx0r pirate.

      Sorry, I'm an adult and don't care about that stuff. You'll understand this some day when people depend on you, too. Until then, please don't consider showering a gay activity. I know standing there nekkid might make you feel uncomfy, but acceptance of your appearance is one of the wonders of the human experience.

      Here's some suggestions for ya, mr. stinky:

      1) Avoid anti-bacterial soaps, they leave behind only the most ruthless of bacteria. This will cause your BO to come back with knockout power once they start breeding.

      2) Get a shower head with a 6' hose. This allows you to really get the funk out of the cracks. It also makes getting the feet clean much easier.

      3) Scrub the genitals. I know this part may make you feel abnormally homosexual feelings, but the hair and folds of skin in these areas are breeding grounds for funk. If you don't do an appropriate job cleaning these areas, you might end up with infections in the hair roots. Rinse well too!

      4) Use whitening toothpaste and listerene. I suggest a short pre-rinse with listerene (medical data shows no effect on cavities when it comes to pre-rinsing, but it sure makes the gums feel nice). Brush well, using a soft bristle brush to prevent damage to your teeth and gums. Make certain to really get in there and brush the hell out of those molars. Then give yourself a good flossing and rinse with antiseptic mouthwash for no less than 30 seconds.

      5) Wash your clothes after each use. Make sure to follow the instructions on the tags to the T, otherwise you'll end up with faded or shrunk trunks. Recently, Febreeze released a product to help eliminate the permafunk clothing can get if left in a damp pile after too many wears. If you've had hygene problems in the past, I'd suggest getting a bottle of this to start a fresh slate.

      6) Avoid colognes and perfumes. These are out-dated leftovers from a

  5. Velenti is not the likely decision maker here by werdna · · Score: 2, Funny

    will it take an entire studio chain such as Universal or MGM to knock some sense into Valenti's mind?

    Make no mistake, MPAA is simply a trade association -- the studio chains call the shots -- and likely called this one.

    On the question how to lobby or make speeches, Valenti is king -- probably one of the best legislative advisors in the nation. But when they want Jack's opinion on film business and policy, they will give it to him.

  6. Yawn by Now15 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is just another nail in the coffin of the more-glamour-less-substance Academy Awards anyway. When deciding which movie I'm going to watch, I look at its score on IMDB, and occasionally read what my local movie critics say.

    Award ceremonies have absolutely no bearing on anything, other than to give a dubiously limited selection of celebrities to flout their wealth and pat themselves on the back.

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  7. Stars are the enemy by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Stars and big-name directors are the studios enemies as much as the pirates. They take huge chunks of the profit margin and in many cases the studio doesn't have a choice but to pay what they want.

    So "star power" in demanding business decision changes isn't going to go very far. Business managers at studios probably just see this as rich Hollywood employees whining about having to buy DVDs instead of getting them free before anyone else.

    Furthermore, since when is the Academy Awards the arbiter elegantiarum of quality filmmaking, and not just a bunch of shills for studio crap?

    1. Re:Stars are the enemy by nfsilkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are many academics who have analyzed "star power" and its relatioship to the major studios in Hollywood. There seems to be a consensus that commercial endeavors in Hollywood are high-risk due to the difficulty at predicting success of films. Studios are HEAVILY reliant on the use of "star power" as a commercial tool for marketing films. Studios are fine with paying a large sum of money or cutting a percentage of revenue for stars given the studios' fear of flops with no-name stars and the desire to replicate prior successes of films.

  8. Bah! by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not to be crude (well, actually *TO* be crude) about it, but who gives a fuck?

    The Oscars are just money driven politics used to shove more bad movies down our throats.

    I pay *NO* attention to the damn things.

    Look, if you want a copy, rent the damn thing and rip it. You have to wait 6 months, boo hoo! At least then someone is getting a little change out of your cheap ass.

    Damn moves take too long to dl, the quality generally sucks and assholes get off on renaming files so you dl the wrong one.

    Get all the movies off kazaa so I get have the bandwidth for Sealab 2021 and pr0n, dammit!

    Damn hangover...

  9. In related news by Snaller · · Score: 2, Funny

    In related news Robert Altman, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Redford have urged the members of Academy of Arts and Sciences to download the new movies from Kazaa so that they might be better equipped to pick the nominees for the Award show next year.

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  10. At Least It's Art... by Fringe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe not the movies they're producing, nor the records produced by RIAA memebers, but between the MPAA and the RIAA we have some high satire worthy of Jonathan Swift. Valenti and RIAA President Cary Sherman will be remembered long after "House of the Dead" and Brittney Spears have been left in the dustbin of pop history. And isn't that what art's about?

  11. Re:why is anyone surprised? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

    (and that's what downloading and sharing is folks regardless of what you may want to believe)

    Um .. no, it isn't automatically considered theft, although it is probably illegal. Keep in mind that your opinion, my opinion, and every else's opinion is irrelevant in this matter. It's how the law is actually written, and has previously been enforced, that counts. People seem to lose sight of that at times.

    The RIAA's legal approach recognizes the way the law is written, and thus they are avoiding any actual court time. They would love to win a couple of nice, high-profile, court cases against file-sharers but they don't dare try. The best they can do is scare people into settling out-of-court (and the effectiveness of that tactic is questionable.)

    You, personally, may not consider the distinction between "copyright infringement" and "theft" important, but believe me, if you were currently under threat of copyright litigation you would. You should read the applicable section of U.S. Copyright laws: I did and it was very informative. Your own personal sense of ethics may consider limited copyright infringement to automatically be punishable as theft, but U.S. law apparently does not.

    The law is very specific about what types of infringement are considered theft, and which are not, and intent to profit financially is a very big factor in all of that. As the average file-sharer doesn't earn anything by his efforts (in fact it costs him money) it's very difficult, if not impossible, to prove a charge of "theft" in court. And forget about making a claim of true piracy: that wouldn't stick either unless the individual was, say, burning CDs from his MP3 collection and selling them.

    A lot of noise gets made over that "$150,000 per infringement" number, but remember when that law was made ... it predates the advent of the Internet by a long time. It was intended to deter actual pirate organizations: those that took a copyrighted work, mass-produced it, and sold it for a profit (i.e., those that the law does consider to be thieves.) Furthermore, that number was set in the light of a single work being pirated in a large way for profit. That's another key distinction. It was never, ever, intended to be used against individuals in the context that the RIAA has been using it, and is just one more example of the way that group has been abusing both the letter and intent of the law. Their treatment of the law is even more disrespectful than that of file-sharers. Now ... should the law be changed? Perhaps. But I would like to see a little more popular influence in Congress the next go 'round, rather than having drafts of new bills sent directly from the RIAA and MPAA's legal departments.

    Sorry for the rant, but that issue is one that I perceive as central to the entire brouhaha. Other than that I agree with your commentary. Over the years, the RIAA and MPAA have done a very good job of insulating their member companies from the usual costs (and risks) of doing business. Unfortunately, by doing so they've pretty well shafted the consumer. Very little good will come of all this on either side, I suspect.

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  12. Why don't they jump ship? by JayBlalock · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Look at the list of names on the E Online article that was posted higher up.

    Scorsese, both Coppolas, Barry Levinson, Redford, Sam Raimi, Darabont, Altman, David Lynch, Spike Jonze, Cronenberg, the Coen Bros... It's virtually a who's-who of all the best filmmakers in Hollywood, and a mix of old greats and up-and-comers.

    If those people decided to jump ship and form their own movie collective, they could. Easily. Hell, many of them ALREADY have their own production companies and\or studios. Sure the MPAA technically controls distribution - but do you see any of the huge theatre chains saying 'no' to the latest Redford or Scorsese flick? The Academy - which is a separate entity - refusing them entrance? I don't think so.

    The fact that so many truly great directors (and writers) are on that list, I think, proves just HOW misguided Valenti is being. He and the studios see films as nothing more than Product - made as cheap as possible, peddled out to the brain dead masses. But the people who signed that list are the ones who *know* better. And if they ever decided to leave, they could, never look back, and the MPAA system would likely crumble in their wake. (I mean, really, who's the MPAA got left? Speilberg... Uh...)

    The question is whether these directors would be willing to take that chance - and whether the studio heads even REALIZE the importance of visionary directors in their schemes anymore.

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  13. The screener ban is good thing... by qtp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't help but think that the screener ban is a good thing, as long as it applies only to movies produced by or distributed by the members of the MPAA.

    The group of producers who are protesting the ban may believe that they are helping independant artists, but the truth is the opposite. How independant can you really be if your work is being sponsored or distribution is dependant on the powers within the MPAA. If MPAA members are not supplying the screeners then there is a greater chance that films not accompanied by a note from a Redford or Scorsese might just be reviewed by the Acadamy members, instead of sitting at the bottom of the pile of submittals that includes all of the MPAA high budget crap, the "independant" work of the children and relatives of Hollywood executives and other MPAA insiders, as well as the truly independant screeners that are submitted by talented artist but will never be watched for lack of time.

    If these 142 directors and producers really want to promote somebody's independant work, maybe they should shell out the bucks for a theatre screening instead of attempting to drown out the work of truly independant artists that they don't happen to know (instead of flooding the screener market with films of "independants" that they happen to be sponsoring).

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