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FCC Commercializes More Bandwidth for 3G services

prostoalex writes "Federal Communications Commission opened up 90 MHz of previously reserved bandwidth for next-generation wireless services. The FCC news release (MS Word, PDF, apparently no HTML) specifies the following ranges to be available for commercial exploitation: 1710-1755 MHz and 2110-2155 MHz. Currently the licenses are issued to the business capable of providing "substantial service by the end of the license term", later on the licenses will be sold to the highest bidder. There's also this announcement about millimeter wave broadband frequencies."

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  1. Slashdot Band by Davak · · Score: 0


    We know what's the best. We should be buy a band, setup our own protocal, and... rule the world!

    We have open source software.

    Why not open source an entire unique communication project?

    Davak

    1. Re:Slashdot Band by IAR80 · · Score: 1

      92Ghz? Good luck then.

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    2. Re:Slashdot Band by Talez · · Score: 1

      Uhhh... it said "sold to the highest bidder".

    3. Re:Slashdot Band by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      No, that's later. Right now they're being issued to the ones who can provide substantial service by the time the license period ends. THEN they'll be sold to the highest bidder.

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    4. Re:Slashdot Band by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called a 'protocol' you stupid fuck. Linux is excellent for this comms project, but I will wait untill the kernel hackers decide to write Linux themselves and not by ripping off others' code.

  2. Any worldwide coordination? by weave · · Score: 1
    Is this going to be a standard around the world, or am I going to be SOL (like with so many other things) when I travel abroad?

    (Rant from someone who carries a Verizon cell due to coverage in US and a T-mobile phone that sucks in U.S. but works fine in other countries.)

    1. Re:Any worldwide coordination? by CaptainAlbert · · Score: 1

      What's that you say? A world-wide cellphone standard?

      Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

      <pause>

      ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

      Sorry, no. The US will insist on using CDMA-2000 as the physical layer of its 3G networks. Europe and Japan are using W-CDMA. Whatever frequency band you use, you'll have to wait for someone to develop a dual mode phone. For which they have no incentive, because damn, cellphones are so small nowadays that you could be carrying six of them in your jacket and not even notice the weight. And the sort of person for whom this is an issue tends (tends, mind you!) to be the sort of person who can afford a second phone.

      Standards, eh? Doncha just love 'em... :)

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    2. Re:Any worldwide coordination? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The US following an international standard??? Sounds too good to be true....

    3. Re:Any worldwide coordination? by Smitty825 · · Score: 1

      Ummm...CDMA2000 is more of a world standard right now than WCDMA is. You can pick up a CDMA 2000 signal in all of the US, most of Asia, and just about all of South America! Right now, you can only find WCDMA signals in a few areas of Europe, and Japan.

      IMHO, by legislating what cell phone standards are being used, Europeans are possibly allowing buerocrats to decide what technology is better!

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    4. Re:Any worldwide coordination? by weave · · Score: 1
      I carry three phones... sigh...

      1. Verizon, personal, best coverage over the entire US.

      2. T-mobile. Shitty U.S. coverage, works overseas, decently priced unlimited wireless internet access (well, at least in areas I go) via bluetooth from my laptop. (No bluetooth phones for verizon, and their express network is $80/month...)

      3. Nextel. Work supplied phone. Expected to carry it 24/7.

      So, two phones on the belt, one in pocket, and when I carry my ipod around, I start to look like the Borg! :) I shudder to think what all of that rf energy is doing to my jewels... :(

    5. Re:Any worldwide coordination? by Durrik · · Score: 1

      Ummm...CDMA2000 is more of a world standard right now than WCDMA is. You can pick up a CDMA 2000 signal in all of the US, most of Asia, and just about all of South America! Right now, you can only find WCDMA signals in a few areas of Europe, and Japan.

      IMHO, by legislating what cell phone standards are being used, Europeans are possibly allowing buerocrats to decide what technology is better!


      [Marketing Talk] But WCDMA is going to be big Big BIG!!! [/Marketing Talk]

      I work in the cellphone industry and I don't know who's bigger right now and who's going to be bigger in the long run. When I first started out I thought it was going to be CDMA-2000. Then I saw some of the monopolistic and protectionist tactics of the company with most of the tatics force away most of the people wanting to do CDMA-2000. TI said they were going to start making a CDMA-2000 chip and got slapped with a lawsuit within days. I think a few others have as well. OF course these are just what I hear from our marketing people who are useless.

      Then I thought it would be W-CDMA would be the way to go, because it uses the GSM upper layers, which I hear are easier to implement and you can get SDL models for. I know for a fact that W-CDMA's over the air messages (upper layer), are a lot cleaner then CDMA-2000, even though I haven't looked at them. Nothing, I mean NOTHING can be as convoluted and horrible to encode and decode as CDMA-2000's over the air messaging (if you don't beleive me have a look at the C.S0005-C document on www.3gpp2.org and look at the Extended Channel Assignment message, and the General Handoff Message). But the same company that has patents on most of CDMA-2000's stuff has some key patents on W-CDMA. And W-CDMA has some technical issues in the physical layer that have mostly been worked out.

      Now there's of course the TD-SCDMA that's coming out of China. There is different company in China that holds the patents, and they're part of a gov't consortium that allows others in that consortium access. I don't know the fees or what not. But the consortium members must have a chinese presence (I'm pretty sure they have to be Chinese owned, but I'm not sure), and TD-SCDMA research is funded by the Chinese gov't and they are trying to push it over the other standards. That's alot of market pressure, and I don't think the Chinese gov't would allow its companies to do protectionist, and monopolisitc practices as the american company does to other chinese companies in the consortium. Other companies are fair ball of course.

      In the future you might find that TD-SCDMA will come to the front because the technology is cheeper. I have no idea if it will be better. But it will come from China where labour and research is cheep compared to the rest of the world.

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  3. great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This is a good thing. There are too many wireless operators in the US so spectrum is stretched pretty thin. Now we may get to see UMTS here in the states.

  4. watter absorption by IAR80 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The watter absorbtion is so big at 92Ghz that you can only use it indoors.

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  5. The right start by schmack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's great to see they're actually looking for companies who are going to do something with the bandwidth.

    The farcical 3G auctions of the 'dot com boom' era was the nail in the coffin of many companies who spent billions of dollars on spectrum they had no idea what to do with.

    Let's just pray some enterprising companies somewhat aligned to PC users get their mitts on it. If the telcos snap it all up you can bet it'll priced out of the market for mobile PC applications (wireless VPNs, general high-speed wireless access etc).

    A CTO impressing his lunchmates with his swanky cell phone displaying video clips of his kids is one thing, but there's a killer app out there right now for a cheap, wireless, ubiquitous service for PC users.

    Bill, Steve, Paul... somebody?

  6. No HTML? by a.koepke · · Score: 1, Funny

    Well for those without MS Word or Adobe Reader here is HTML link provided by Google

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    1. Re:No HTML? by a.koepke · · Score: 1

      Dunno where the flippin HTML code I put in there went but I posted it again WITH the link this time.

      I put the tags in there...

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  7. DON'T DO IT by Neophytus · · Score: 1

    Mobile operators were doing, on the whole, well in the uk until they paid over the odds for the 3G licences and have landed themselves in huge amounts of debt.

  8. Google HTML Link by a.koepke · · Score: 1

    Here is HTML version of PDF provided by Google

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    1. Re:Google HTML Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you can just use the text link on the FCC's website.

  9. What is the advantage over laser? by ahfoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was looking around the web at this last night when I saw the news releases and I saw them talking about pencil beams as though it was very directional. That made me wonder what it's got over laser. At first I thought perhaps it was because it was more resistant to weather variations, is there more to it than that?
    They're talking about Ghz speeds over a mile. But technically you could achieve a similar bandwidth with laser as well, right?

    1. Re:What is the advantage over laser? by IAR80 · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.usa.canon.com/html/industrial_canobeam/ canobeamdt50fea.html

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    2. Re:What is the advantage over laser? by 1fitz2many · · Score: 1

      Over long distances, optical laser beams will scintillate because of turbulent fluctuations in the index of refraction of the atmosphere. Relatively expensive adaptive optics systems using deformable mirrors are needed for correction.

  10. About time by PhysicsExpert · · Score: 1, Troll

    This is great news, the development of 3G services in the US has been held up for long enough by beaurocracy. Countries such as Japan, South Korea and Rhodesia have established a technical lead in this area, which can only harm the already weak economy.

    What might be interesting, however, is when the new 4G technologies come along. These will be different from previous technologies that work by modulating a carrier frequency, but will instead be analagous to ethernet with each phone using the same frequency and collisions being detected.

    The advantages of this is that much lower frequencies can be used (50Hz is being talked about), but by allowing the phones to transmit many millions of times per second, data transfer rates of up to 15Gigabytes can be achieved. That should make video on the cellphone a realistic goal.

    The only worry is that again government beaurocracy will not allow theses low frequencies to be used meaning that even poor countries will be able to have better services than the US.

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    1. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Physics Expert?!

      15 gigabytes over a 50Hz carrier? Without modulation? How does this magic work?

      And why is someone at "cam.ac.uk" worried about legislation in the US?

      I smell fish.

    2. Re:About time by CaptainAlbert · · Score: 4, Informative

      Woooooo - flamebait!

      So much misinformation in that I actually laughed... briefly...

      Ethernet = CSMA/CD, that is, Carrier Sense Media Access with Collision Detection. Only one station transmitting at a time. Works OK for packetised data. 3G uses CDMA - Code Division Media Access - all users share a common frequency band and their signals are spread across all the available spectrum, and scrambled with a code unique to that user so that they can be recovered. No collisions occur.

      Modulating a Carrier Frequency - all broadband communication systems do this. Duh.

      Video link on a 50Hz carrier = snake oil.

      Video on the cellphone isn't a goal, it's available now with 3G networks.

      High speed mobile comms requires microwave frequencies. "Low" frequencies are typically already allocated to AM and FM radio broadcasts, and higher ones to VHF/UHF TV. No beaurocracy needed.

      I'm going to stop now and return to my normal colour. :)

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    3. Re:About time by hoofie · · Score: 0

      Rhodesia ??

      Rhodesia doesnt even exist any more ! It became Zimbabwe in 1980.

      Its currently an economic basket-case !

    4. Re:About time by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      The fact that the poster mentions "Rhodesia" as a country shows how much of a troll he is :)

      Rhodesia is what Zimbabwe USED to be called before the revolution about 20 years ago.

      It's a safe bet the rest of the information in the post is equally fallacious ;)

    5. Re:About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YHBT. He's a known troll, god knows why he gets modded up all the time.

    6. Re:About time by qwertyatwork · · Score: 1

      ...CDMA - Code Division Media Access

      Maybe you mean Code Division MULTIPLE Access :)

  11. Unnecessary Complexity by Xenoproctologist · · Score: 1

    Great...let's add another layer of unnecessary complexity to the mish-mash of frequencies and protocols that is US cellular coverage. Bonus points for the lovely distribution plan which will inevitably result in scatter-shot distribution to any company who can file a vaguely-plausible business plan, regardless of what they plan to run over it. Cellular providers can't even build their network out to fill their existing licenses as it is.

    Technology advances make this even more irrelevant, as high-bandwidth service is possible without this additional bandwidth -- Verizon Wireless has already rolled out their EV-DO network in their Washington DC and San Diego markets, providing 300-500Kbps average, with bursts up to 2.4Mbps.

    The FCC should worry about getting the entire country converted to digital service before tossing out new frequencies willy-nilly.

  12. less for public safety by pvt_medic · · Score: 1

    well the only problem i have with this is that public safety (Fire, Police, EMS, and all those other agencies) have been running into a communication crunch over teh last many years. And there aint no new frequencies being opened up to them.

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  13. Irony by Yawgm8th · · Score: 1

    This is a hypothetical but what if all these waves going through our bodies and brains is slowly killing us and by the time we relise whats happening it will be too late. There was a post some time ago in responce to the mothers who sued a school over this that said there where reports of incresed headaches but higher productivity. What about unborn babies... what is the effect on them. I guesse we won't find out for another 20 years when they grow up and enter society.

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    1. Re:Irony by azuretek · · Score: 1

      I hate it when people say radio waves are going to kill us and our unborn children. We are hit with radiation from the sun and lots of other enviromental radiations, fumes and countless other things that dont affect us. We've been using radio signals and lots of other types of waves for quite a while, why would it start affecting us now?

      I live in a big city and I dont have any headaches from any waves, in my experience the majority of headaches are caused by worrying, and some physical reasons as well.

    2. Re:Irony by Josh+Prophet · · Score: 1

      The sun is causing cancer and Cancer rates have been skyrocketing. I had a friend I went to college with a while back (now he works at the Mayo Clinic) and he once told me way back when when I was prophezing about wireless internet that it would be highly dangerous for humans. I never really followed up with him about it, but it always stuck in my mind.

    3. Re:Irony by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      "I never really followed up with him about it, but it always stuck in my mind."

      Didn't have a tinfoil hat back then?

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    4. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right about sun's rays and chemicals having been here for a long time. But that long time didn't have wireless networks and millions of cell phones. I am not one of those overprotective people who doesn't want technology to progress. I even like the idea of wireless networking. But there is no way this is good for our health.

    5. Re:Irony by Josh+Prophet · · Score: 1

      Say what you want but he is one of the most intelligent men in the U.S. and was working on brain research when we had the discussion. I'm a confirmed idiot on the matter so I lack to skills to debate the issue.

  14. No HTML? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

    So what?

    Last time they landed a story on Slashdot, there was only a link to a Word document. I think a link to a PDF file is an improvement...

  15. unlicensed spectrum by pinguirico · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Releasing spectrum is good. Releasing unlicensed spectrum is better.

  16. "substantial service" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    aka .. "profitted enough to fork over serious cash for a license"

    FREE THE SPECTRUM.

    LOW WATT BROADCASTING FOR ALL.

  17. market vs technology by reverb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I won't claim to be omniscient regarding 3G, but having recently been laid off from a RF component company I've had some insight into 3G basestation deployment in North America and Europe.

    My opinion is that one can throw all the spectrum you want at 3G and it will continue to flounder as it has been for the past three years. Companies such as the one I worked for have been looking for the take-off of 3G for quite a while and have now resigned themselves to the fact that it may never really happen. One of the only things pushing deployment in Europe is the fact that licence holders will loose their licences if they don't put any basestations in the field by a certain deadline.

    The problem is not a lack of spectrum or too much beauraucracy. Rather is it is a general lack of demand for services that 3G can provide. Here is an abbreviated list of links to stories that support my hypothesis. I acknowledge that there may exist evidence to the contrary out there.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2248376.stm
    http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/April
    http://www.tiu.ie/3 gdream.htm2003/5179.htm
    http://www.ovum.com/go/pr oduct/latestresearch/0083 76.htm

  18. The FCC makes me sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Broadband in the US is as expensive as it is because of the rules and regs of the FCC. Other countries have broadband for what we pay for dialup here in the US. It's obscene!

  19. 3G in Europe by spectrokid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In Denmark, they rolled out 3G commercially last week. But after a new investigation on radiation in Holland and complaints from people living close to antenna's, there is talk about banning it near kindergardens... House prices are comming down for houses close to an antenna.

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  20. 92 GHz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Piece of cake.

    (Shameless plug for my employer)

  21. The advantage is fog penetration by KC7YRN · · Score: 1

    The aviation industry's been looking into millimeter-wave systems for landing in fog. You can "see" a completely fogged-up runway with millimeter-wave radar.

  22. Fine print by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Fortunately the licenses are "nonexclusive". You'll use a narrow beam, you'll get a license for the path it follows, and if you're the first to apply for a license between those two points you'll be protected against someone else pointing a beam directly at you. The FCC is relying on directionality to prevent multiple users from interfering with each other.

  23. Auctioning off licenses Spectrum is a stealth tax by vivian · · Score: 1

    The problem with auctioning off spectrum to the highest bidder, is that it is basically a variation of the old "window tax" that the UK instituted back in 1696 (not to be confused with MS one where you at least get something for your money). That tax was so unfair it probably resulted in the expression "daylight robbery" as a phrase for being grossly overcharged.

    Mobile phones used to be used by just the privileged wealthy few - who could afford their high costs. For everyone else there was land lines, and public telephone booths for when you needed a phone away from your house. The world has changed now though, and you are practically a hermit in most of the developed world if you don't have one.
    When the UK auctioned off the spectrum for 3G services to the highest bidder for GBP 22.47bn ($35.4bn)
    The press and general public seem to think it's a wonderful way of collecting "free" revenue from mobile phone companies etc. Unfortunately, since everyone these days practically had to have a mobile, that's basically a GBP 400 tax per man woman and child - a tax that will have a hefty profit margin added to it also by the mobile phone companies - so you'll probably end up paying something like GBP 600 per person.

    It is time that the general public saw spectrum auctions for what they are - a blatant rip off by the government against the public. Yes, spectrum has to be allocated, licensed, or kept localised (as in unlicensed low power short range transmissions only) to prevent total chaos in it's usage, but selling it to the highest bidder is NOT in the interest of the public. Perhaps there should be an OPPOSITE mechanism - where the company that can guarantee the lowest cost service to the public gets the use of the spectrum.

    On another note, why don't pound symbols come out in Slashdot posts?