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More Looks At Far-Off 'Longhorn'
b17bmbr writes "According to eWeek, the first builds are out, with an SDK. The Register notes: 'Microsoft builds leak regularly, Microsoft knows this, and Microsoft knows that the wider the distribution of the software, the faster it's going to spread all over the internet...The timing is impressive for an alpha build of a product that is not scheduled to hit the streets for another two years, and which could quite easily stretch to three.' Methinks this is just vaporware." And Cleverone writes "Several days before PDC 03' attendees will obtain their copy, screenshots of the new build have already made their way to the net. For those inquisitive few, the build stamp is 6.0.4051.0."
The only people really hyped are Microsoft fanboys and Microsoft haters like the ones on slashdot.
It's typical slashbot mentality that Microsoft is leaking builds to build hype and promote this. I bet you think Bill Gates was on the grassy knoll too.
Strange comment considering that there is a download available. Wouldn't that make it "non-vaporware"? I would say chances are very good that you will see Longhorn released.
Methinks this is just vaporware.
Vaporware? You think the next version of Windows is vaporware? Somehow I don't think Microsoft is going to hype a new Windows version and then never come out with one. "Sorry! That project got killed! You'll have to stick with XP!"
-- Dr. Eldarion --
We have seen this all before. Remember the hype machine for Chicago? How about Cairo? The finished product never resembles the hype but it keeps the trade press talking about Microsoft's product that will never be instead of competitors products which are shipping now.
Democrat delenda est
Your assuming the recent market trend will stop and MS won't continue to lose desktop market share like they just did for the first time in a decade ;)
Theyr'e talking about a 2006 release for longhorn. Operating system updates have traditionally been nice cash cows for them. The same is true for office. Now, no one feels a pressing need to upgrade their office suites. Office 2003 is not very compelling. Anyone who sends me an encrypted document and expects me to spend nearly a grand so I can read is going to get a rude document back in plaintext.
So, they have their next upgrade is due in 2.5 years, their competitors are upgrading at an ever faster and regular pace (witness apple 4 upgrades in 2 years the latest being 64bit). It becomes a little bit obvious why they are leaking this.
The problem now is they will promise whatever they think the customer wants to hear at this point. When it comes time to ship they will need an OS that delivers features while still maintaining backward compatibility. Microsofts installed base has become the anchor around its neck. If they do big feature changes that obsolete products no one will upgrade, if they don't no one will upgrade.
OSS has the same problem when picking up new features but it doesn't have the same petty extortionists trying to sell the same thing all over again.
How about being the first OS to use a RDBFS? That is the only reason I am looking forward to this. It will make my 40,000+ mp3/ogg collection 100x easier to manage.
Things may change by 2007, do you think that in 3-4 years Linux wont have competitive marketshare? At the current rate Linux will have competitive marketshare to Windows within a few years, Microsoft will not be able to bully companies like they do now once Linux becomes mainstream and trust me, 3 years from now Linux will be mainstream. It might not start here in the US, it might go mainstream in China and Europe first, but it will have enough of a market share that Windows simply wont be needed.
People don't exist to serve systems, systems exist to serve people.
You have a lot of nerve. Why did you link directly to the forum site? They obviously can't handle the server load or the bandwidth, especially for screenshots.
This is not due out for another two years.
* The interface is not Aero.
* WinFS is not fully functioning.
* Obviously, things will radically change in two years.
There is no way to predict what the final output will be. This build is just to keep the Longhorn name in people's minds.
But, of course, I fully expect people here to treat this like a final product (two years...) and bash away. Because it's Microsoft!
"Sufferin' succotash."
Remember the betas for Windows NT 5? I think I still have them, somewhere. Point being, a lot can change in the span of a year, nevermind 2-3.
Not to be overly critical, but if you look at the theme of the gui of an OS as an indicator of it's maturity, that's frightening...
I've worked with lots of very advanced OS's with no gui.
Then again, OSX is a good example of a mature OS w/ a slick gui.
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
And yeah, I'm not looking forward to a possible new IE6 CSS either, that would be like MS Java all over again.
One thing I would like to see in IE is a possibility to have several proxies and IE automaticly selecting the proxy with the lowest latency.
Melius mori in libertate quam vivere in servitute.
They are marketing to the same people who buy $60,000 SUVs based on the $10 dashboard clock. This is asinine from a technical point of view, but sadly good marketing. I'm surprised the taskbar doesn't have "Bulgari" embossed over simulated Connolly leather with burlwood accents and bling-bling galore.
"Windows Longhorn will feature radical changes in the GUI, maybe making todays' Windows XP look like Windows 3.11 in comparison"
Somehow I find that really hard to believe. If these screenshots are even sightly Representative of the way MS is going then its going to look a lot like XP with just different colored/sized widgets and maybe a stupid "infobar" that most people will disable because it takes up 30% of your screen. I know MS is holding some visual aspects back, but there is nothing I've seen that's far off from what has already been made by the modding community.
Will it be different then XP, Yes. Will it be some radical shift that someone working with XP won't even recognize? Doubtful. MS has invested too many years in getting its users used to the way Windows works. My guess for the GUI is XP & 1/2, ie more "things you can do with files" will pop up when browsing folders and of course a different theme and wallpaper. Remember that last radical shift GUI-wise was win 3.x to 95. The only thing massively different between 95 and XP gui-wise is the Start Menu. Underneath there may be a lot going on, but on top MS can't go too crazy because secretaries need to be able to find their programs and my docs folder just as easy as they did with XP and 95.
"I personally think MS is putting a lot of eggs in one basket with Longhorn. If it's a failure, MS will be hit hard by it, but with the market dominance they have, they're probably sleeping well at night anyway."
But like you inferred they can't really fail can they? I mean when 90% plus of all desktops ship with whatever OS you want how can you fail? Once these new desktops ship you'll need to upgrade all your apps etc and the treadmill will continue except for the 10% of users who realize that there are alternatives. MS may fail in a technical sense if they somehow fuck up Longhorn, but given that they have so much time I don't see how they could. Worst case they scale back features because they a)don't work or b) aren't wanted by beta testers, and then they ship win2003 plus minor updates as a desktop.
Isn't it great having a monopoly?
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
not that i know of, although i think being the code/test owner of a feature that has a BO in it is looked upon pretty poorly (they're going to ask why you didn't find it, i think)
Let me ask this question:
If your employment was contingent on you writing 100% bug free code, would you have a job ?
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Stop the Slashdot effect! Don't read the articles!
if you have realistic, actionable suggestions on how MS can write software thats more secure and still meets customer expectations, MS will hire you and pay you a lot of money. Enough so that you wont be so angry all the time, I'd suspect.
try them - http://www.microsoft.com/careers/
Include in your resume "you are fucking morons, i can improve your products. if you hire me you can fire all your stupid developers because i know how to fix all the problems". Just be prepared to know what you're talking about when they ask.
Nobody at MS will argue with you - our stuff needs to be better than it is, we make a lot of stupid mistakes, and fixing them is a big pain for everyone, not least of all us. If you've got realistic ways to help fix that, we'll hire you and you'll be paid very well if you actually know what you're talking about, can change things for the better.
However, im guessing you're just mad about something. The ball is strictly in your court though - either you're not able or not willing to fix microsoft's problems. in which case, you're just wasting bits by posting this.
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