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Dreamweaver MX, Flash MX With CrossOver Office
AstroDrabb writes "It seems that CodeWeavers' CrossOver Office 2.1 now supports Dreamweaver MX and Flash MX. So for those who have been waiting to ditch MS Windows because of these two apps, now is your chance. The announcement from CodeWeavers can be found here
and the changelog can be found here.
The list of supported applications is also getting pretty impressive."
iIs it possible to sync a ipaq using codeweavers? I tried multisync but it is still buggy.
I am stick on win4lin now, but I have to admit that cw seems impressive.
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In all fairness, that's never going to happen.
Personally I'll be happy to move when there's a viable alternative for all the applications I run. Except there already are...so I guess I'm just idle.
Anyway the point is, or at least how I read your comment, that you aren't looking to ditch Windows because it suits your needs. I am, I just need the push. This could be it.
Running Internet Explorer on Linux?
That's pretty impressive/terrifying indeed.
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Obviously you know nothing about what CSS is, or are just stupid. Let me enlighten you.
In the beginning, there was the Web.
All was good. Bandwidth was, on average, low, but sites were small and to the point, and loaded quickly.
People began to use frames and many other things, marring the content with style.
But then, in this dark hour, when web pages loaded slowly and all hope was lost, a light appeared in the darkness.
It was CSS.
CSS is based on the idea that content, which is the actual information of a web page, should be entirely seperate from the style of a web page, which is defined by the CSS. If you disable CSS, the webpage should load as plain text and pictures and form elements, no spiffy navigation bar here, no sidebar here. Something that text-readers can understand and that loads very quickly. The CSS file also loads quickly, and by combining the two into one a web page can be made small, while still full of content and aesthetically pleasing.
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Remember to have an open mind !
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Try others applications, try many applications ! Never say "I wan THIS application" or you will maybe loose a better apps.
I you want to run Outlook, Internet Explorer and MS office, I don't see why you would switch to another OS ! !
There' two kind of people
- people that want to STAY ! Those people are static. They think that it can be worse. They just follow others people...
- people that want more. They think that it can be better. Those people always look for the best.. Those people SEARCH !
So, if you want to search for better thing, say "I want to switch to another OS than Windows but I cannot since I use this and this software". Maybe someone know an answer or mayber someone will work on it.
If you want to stay, please don't post to say it, it's your choice, not the choice of people who are using tools like crossover office.
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along with photoshop, macromedia products have been the most requested for codeweavers support, bar none, so this is excellent news... (btw, all you dreamweaver-bashers; yes, flash is often a bad idea, but no dreamweaver doesn't produce bloated code unless you have no idea what you're doing
however, note that dreamweaver/flash are only at 'bronze medal' status still good, as they promise to bring all bronze apps up to silver in future versions, but don't all you web designers delete that windows partition quite yet
You'll be wanting to get a Mac, then. In all seriousness, you honestly believe that Windows serves you better? That not having to update your OS's security holes five times a week and constantly sorting out what e-mails are good and what are viruses doesn't count as a beneficial "thing"? What beneficial "thing" do you need?
Some smaller developers may well take up the older versions under linux - certainly there could be benefits for testing on a local machine that's already running Apache, PHP & mysql, but bigger developers will want latest releases to stay up to date in the marketplace.
I dunno - the list of supported apps includes a lot of "known to not work" apps in it.
call me stupid, but, if they don't work how the heck
can you say they are supported?
looks like somebody was just trying to fluff up the list so they could get attention.
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Mostly people who commission corporate websites are impressed by aesthetics, and are not informed enough by the designers of what is functionally possible, to increase the companies trade. You're right it is lame but it's lameness on the side of the designers, because rather than design a site that is functional, quickly loaded and informative, they go the way of bells and whistles because they think it 'looks good'.
Dreamweaver does not build annoying bloated webpages.
I don't know if this is god or bad.
It's good as it allows people to use a popular windows app in Linux x86. But it's bad because now there is less pressure on Macromedia to develop a native port or for somebody else to write a free Dreamweaver killer.
I personally would have preferred if some good programer had enhanced Mozilla composer to the same level of feature richnes as the Macromedia suite. That way not only x86 Linux users would have a content development tool but also users of other Linux platforms would have a good content development tool. Not to mention that it would also likely have run on Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, MacOS-X and windows.
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DreamweaverMX was a pretty horrendous application. But Macromedia got their act together with MX 2004 version which was released not too long ago. Old tags were depreciated and new standards took their place, such as complete CSS-based wysiwyg code generation. [table] tags are not default anymore, although I suspect you can revert back to standard HTML 4.1 transitional if you want. It has better integration with FireworksMX 2004, and x-browser compatibility development has greatly benefited.
Now, the bad part is that DW/FW MX 2004 are very unstable and bloated compared to the previous MX versions. Of course, if you're doing serious web development, Dreamweaver is not for you, but for casual users and people who aren't keen with site design and CSS, it could solve many problems.
MM_Script JS was quite possibly the worst thing in Fireworks and Dreamweaver had to offer. I haven't checked for its presence in the new version, but avoid it at all costs if you want your sites to be robust and unbloated.
Also, the content tags you speak of can be easily turned off in the preferences. Both in MX and MX 2004. Your rant about Flash presence is offtopic.
Our free and open GNU/*nix world is really missing some kind of Dreamweaver. As a Web developer I have not found something similiar in the free software and open source world. As the Dreamweaver/HomeSite/TopStyle pack is the one and only, there is still this big gap in the free software world. I would really appreciate a free software alternative before using any emulation.
Please developers of free and open software here is a great work to do for your fellow hackers!
I'll ditch windows when someone comes up with an OS that supports ALL the applications and games I currently run, and is faster or has some other 'thing' that would be beneficial to me.
This did exactly that for me, of course the downside is that you have to shell out a thick wad of cash. These Wine ports are nice if you are doing relatively light-weight stuff but as soon as you are working on a major website or a 100mb+ sized Photoshop document with a few dozen layers it is crash city. I prefer native software any day which is why I bought a Mac. That having been said this sort of software will certainly help generate Linux converts since it will more than do the trick for most people.
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I can't recall exactly when, but I remember setting up dreamweaver MX under Wine a while ago (let's say about a year). It is listed in the Wine Application DB, It worked pretty well back then, the only problem was that it crashed when you used the color selection box. I no longer use it now, I've come to my senses and use VIM.
It's very different. I suggest you try their trial version and see. For starters, you get practically 100% performance, there is no slowdown due to emulating a CPU or holding an entire copy of Windows in memory. Secondly, you get much better integration - apps appear in your Linux menu system, they use your native window manager (so they support virtual desktops etc), you can copy and paste between native and emulated apps ... the list goes on and on.
I'll bite. It's a funny thing these days but some people actually get PAID real money to create web media. Hobbyists may have time to hand code everything and don't need anything more than text and a gif or two to communicate but professionals (getting paid $50 - $200 per hour to create) need a little more.
On the other hand pros also know enough to do plugin checks and provide alternative content for those who choose not to use proprietary plugins and can also provide text only versions for alternative browsers, if there is a need. Not all paid developers are pros, unfortunately.
The bigger problem is web developers who use platform specific plugins (anything DirectX essentially) and don't provide alternative content or provide it so poorly that the pages are rendered unusable.
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You only pointed out hardware, and we're talking about software here. RTFA.
I guess you can defend mac vs. pc hardware debates and almost always win on price, but when you're talking about the OS and software, that's a whole different ballgame.
I dunno, but having a built-in Caching nameserver seems pretty useful to me. Makes web browsing faster, more convenient. One click install seems to be pretty much a linux only sort of thing, too. More directly related to the speed issue, the ability to compile everything from source means that you can do a shitload of optimizations to your system, and it'll probably run a lot faster. Plus, if you have a lot of network shares, Samba is faster, and a helluva lot nicer than windows for SMB shares. Plus, Linux has a Far nicer looking, more powerful windowing system than windows, to boot.
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If you, on the other hand, are having problems with Windows, or find that it "kind of works", but would love to find something better, you should be more open-minded and realize that you probably won't be able to use all your apps on the new OS. And why should you? It is good for you to try out alternatives to the applications you are currently using if they do not suit your needs. But if they do, feel free to stick with them. Whatever suits your need.
CrossOver tries to run Windows software under Linux, which is probably useful for those who really want Linux but also would like to run certain Windows applications. Nothing wrong about that of course, as the Linux environment is quite different from Windows.
But in the end, is it really necessary to post trollish remarks like yours? I cannot see how it could possibly be useful. Then again, looking at your posting history, the comment does not surprise me :)
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It's a shame that we need to use tools like CrossOver Office 2.1 to support the Lotus Notes R5 client under Linux. With a company like IBM pushing Linux, it seems to me that getting a Notes client would be the obvious choise... (Lotus Domino servers already run on Linux).
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Look at how viruses spread. Then compare to flash. If one additional box had been included on the popup that asks you if you want to install flash, that says, no, and don't ask me again (instead of asking every time your mouse passes over an imbedded flash file), it wouldn't have spread so far so fast.
Flash is simply an animated gif enhancement for viewing more annoying banner ads. And for locking out users from web sites designed by designers that think it is more important to show off their flash programming skills than capturing a greater percentage of users through a more user-friendly site for the business or individual that the site is promoting.
As for Dreamweaver, regardless of the naysayers, it's bloated, not stable, and it still is not fully w3c compliant, even if you do know what you are doing. There is still non-compliant code that is inserted into source code, regardless of the settings.
For those who aren't chained to cold fusion, a better, more w3c compliant, and freer solution (as in freedom, and as in beer) is Quanta+. While wysiwyg is not in the stable release, it is in the cvs tree, and will launch when the new kde launches very shortly (check the mailing list for more updated info on the feature). And the other features are numerous, but the support for xml, and other technologies is all there. And the response from developers on the mailing list is fantastic, in features, in bug fixes, in help, and in just about everything else. I once thought I couldn't leave windows solely because of Dreamweaver, but Quanta+ enabled me to move to a much more stable and less restrictive operating system.
Sun, Adobe, and Macromedia, among other proprietary companies are the old guard. And they are the future SCO's of the tech world. The future is gpl'd source code for all applications. The rest of the world has already realized this, small businesses are catching on fast, and anyone looking to stay competitive and productive needs to admit this to themselves or they will be left behind, just like Sun, Adobe, and Macromedia.
Watch what happens to Sun in the next 18-24 months. Adobe and Macromedia will follow the same path shortly thereafter, maybe sooner.
And Oracle is not far behind...
- Linux - say, $50
- Crossover Office - $59.99
- MS-Office - $400
Option 2:- WinXP Home Edition - $120
- MS-Office - $400
is this worth a saving of $10 (~2%) ? Or even $60 (~12%) given that, whatever you say about MS, Office (and all the other applications) are highly more likely to work better on XP than any emulated environment?Maybe for some corporate customers, but I doubt it. Even as a small business owner, I wouldnt take the risk.
Actually, if I had any mod points left, I'd mod him up.
Why? Because sometimes it's necessary that someone comes and rains on one's parade, just to remind one that reality is that-a-way. Otherwise, if all posts are along the lines of "woohoo, now we emulate Mini-Notepad-Lite v0.01, so Linux is ready for the desktop", some people might actually start believing it.
The reality, however, is more complex than that.
For the vast majority of people, an OS is just a funky loader for the applications they need. The _only_ reason to have an OS at all, or to have a computer at all, is to run those apps. That's all.
Real users (including corporate users) are really never Windows fans or Linux fans. They just have needs along the lines of "but I need a spreadsheet which can run all those macros and stylesheets we already have". (Something where, incidentally, OpenOffice fails miserably.) Or "but I need something which still runs all those ActiveX and Flash games on the MSN site." Or whatever.
Having Windows or Linux or OS/2 or even SCO Unix on their machine is _not_ their goal. Being able to keep hanging around with their buddies in EverQuest or with their ActiveX Backgammon buddies on Microsoft's site, on the other hand, might just be.
Normal users also don't like to learn new stuff or experiment. "Change" almost means "trauma" for the normal user. You have to give them a damn good reason to go through it. "You sorta can run some of your old apps" isn't even starting to cut it. They can run their apps without switching, too. Now if you gave them a killer app that they _can't_ run without switching, _that_ might count.
The normal user sees no thrill in experimenting. They don't want to try a car with the pedals in completely different position every week, and sometimes with a joystick or gamepad instead of a steering wheel. Same here. Ideally they'll want to learn once where the buttons are, and then find them in the exact same position in every single app, from now until doomsday.
I.e., again, you have to give them a damn good reason to switch to another OS.
Incidentally, it's another reason why Linux is still utterly unfit for Joe Average's desktop. Each app coming with a different set of widgets, and its own completely original interface, is _not_ what Joe Average wants. You can talk about the greatness of the Bazaar model and the advantages of free experimenting with new ideas all you want, for normal users all that's just unneeded stress. But that's a whole other topic.
Incidentally, the same applies to the browser flame wars. Same as Joe Average doesn't really care about the OS, only about the apps, he also doesn't care about the browser. He cares about the web sites. The browser is just a window to see the web through. It's just a tool, like his TV. And just like his TV, he'll not switch to another one, as long as the old one works reasonably well. But that's again another topic.
Basically all I'm saying is that the Real World (TM) works by completely other rules than the code-centric "woohoo, look at what cool gimmicks we've coded" view that's rampant on Slashdot. And sometimes someone has to come and rain on your parade. Call it trolling if you will. Personally I call it a "reality check."
Of course, that's not to say that I don't admire the work of the Wine coders. Damn impressive achievement, from a coder point of view. But also far from the point where it'll get Joe Average to switch. That's all I'm saying.
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It sounds like whoever is using Dreamweaver has two problems:
... and tell DW exactly which one you wanted the class on.
A) Using an old version (newer versions really do check for those multi-tags as you do edits and cleans them up.)
B) Doesn't know what they are doing. Dreamweaver is GREAT, in that it SPECIFICALLY does EXACTLY what you tell it to. It's meant for the person who DOES understand HTML. It is not a true WYSIWYG in that sense. You have you know the different effects that assigning a class to the table, versus tr, versus td, versus the paragraph tag, versus the span means
If the person doesn't understand that, you will get crap, because they will be clicking in random spots, and DW will THINK they know what they are doing.
When it comes to browsers, the same users are actually thrilled to get away from MSIE's very basic user interface once they get to know it - in my experience. The user doesn't just care about web sites. You see, the user experiences a number of annoyances on the web, and finding out that other browsers can get rid of these annoyances is a huge plus! What good is a web page which works as it should if you get bombarded with ActiveX installation requests, popup ads and similar?
In the Real World, it does not matter which system you set the newbie to use, as he or she can use anything. You just need to tell them what to click to get what they want.
The problem with Linux vs. Windows is basically the intermediate user which is, say, used to Windows and expect Linux to behave the same. This intermediate user doesn't just click an icon to run a program - he installs new programs and knows a little about how the system works. And so, he's stuck with one system because other operating systems are so different from what he's used to.
I'm one of the people who are used to Windows and stick with it because it gets the job done. And it gets the job done because I'm used to it.
On the other hand, I've found superior alternatives to Microsoft's offerings when it comes to browsing, e-mail, newsgroups, and so on. The OS is just used to organize my files and launch the software I use every day, as you say. I have lots of minor and not so minor problems with Windows, such as problems with Explorer.exe crashing in Windows XP (something I've heard is not exactly uncommon, judging by other people's comments).
I'm a Linux user as well, but it's more because of curiosity than anything else. I use Windows as my primary OS. It's been like this for a few years now.
Would I switch to Linux full time if I got my favorite apps working under Linux? Probably not. I'm just so used to how Windows handles things, and I simply do not have the time to "master" a new OS (Mac is out of the question for me). For one, Linux is developing rapidly, and I am worried that I would be spending a lot of time configuring things again and again. Also, I am a gamer, and as a gamer, Windows is really the only choice for now.
But I don't go around posting trollish comments like the one by Sir Haxalot here...
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No sir, I assure you that you are the idiot.
The open source equivalent to dreamweaver is: a text editor (vi, emacs etc) the w3c recommendations for xhtml, css, dom level 1 Many professional web developers and designers choose not to use an application like dreamweaver because their knowledge is such that they can work faster and more precisely with a simple text editor.
I use my Gentoo Linux partition for just about everythnig, but have to reboot to windows when I need to get some work done and work with Macromedia Studio 2004. I know I'm not the only one who has repeatedly e-mailed and faxed and called Macromedia about Linux versions of their programs. I'd buy them in a heartbeat, and I know I'm not the only one.
Now that the MX versions of Flash and Dreamweaver can be run on Linux what incentive does Macromedia have for porting Stuio 2004 to Linux? While I compliment the Wine and Codeweavers teams in their effort, I wonder even how possible it will be to continue the progress they have started. MX 2004 comes everyone's favorite "feature," activation which will be a big hurdle for the Wine/Codeweavers team. They will either have to re-enginer the activation code (Hello DMCA) or work around it which will may further incite Macromedia reducing the chances it will get ported.
P.S. if we are going to have to go the compatability route, wouldn't it be easier/better to create a compatibility layer with OS X? This would open not only the Macromedia apps, but also the Adobe apps.
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In fact, I'd say Fireworks is *more* important than Dreamweaver on Linux -- certainly it would be to me. Because the strength of Dreamweaver centers around two things: (1) It makes it easy to design/edit web pages when you don't know HTML and (2) It makes it easy to futz about with design before you've settled on one.
Thing is, for most Linux users, #1 isn't going to be much of an issue. And #2 is better done in a graphics program suited to it. Which is exactly what Fireworks is. It's *much* better than Photoshop, because of the wide variety of vector oriented tools, better slicing facilities, all while having a good set of raster/bitmap tools and effects as well.
I'd also imagine this wouldn't be too hard for Macromedia. Their products seem to give the impression of a unified underlying toolset/library, though I couldn't speak authoritatively to that.
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I've used Wine for many obscure applications, including: Nero, PowerDesk, LC2 Assembler/Simulator, and ePSXe. All applications worked with varying degrees of glitches, but I think if I extracted the registry entries from windows natively, most of those issues would not be present.
I'm not certain if Crossover Office this has any direct relation to the regular Wine codebase, but to me it sounds like a "Wine plus support" release.
Documentation is another story. Frank's Wine Corner is a good start though. Among other things, he documents how to get Office 2000 and Baldur's Gate working. Also, I found a howto for Photoshop, which I've heard works quite well. When I get around to it, I would like to start a similar howto site with full registry tweak details.
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