i posted the following about Japan, it is still relevant to this discussion
living here in Osaka has been fun for the last ten years. EXCEPT for when the government wrote the law that said that the consumer must pay the cost of recycling air conditioners, washers, dryers, and now computers.
The reason why it has not been fun is because in the beautiful park nearby - and in the corners of some of the rice fields! - there are piles of dishwashing machines, refrigerators and old "wapro"s (japanese word processors). The city governement becomes responsible after several months of no one claiming them but then the tax payers money gets used for the disposal.
You see, the problematic point is not so much that the little sticker on new machines is there to show that you have prepaid (hence adding to the price of new machines) BUT that all the old machines are levyed for a fee to recycle them.
Many people don't want to spend 7000 yen to get rid of their old air conditioner so they junk it.
what would be really cool is if we could get a bunch of truckers from some massive trucking company to put these on their rigs and film different routes.
same thing - put cameras/VCRs on UPS delivery trucks in cities (hey UPS - would you like to make a deal?) and then collect all of the video, edit it, make it interactive... so you can direct the vehicle...
or at least create a program that allows for you to give an address and a destination and "voila" there is an automagically created video for you of a possible route.
That way you can use visual cues so as to avoid getting lost. I bet there are lots of people who can't read maps that would love something like that.
maybe if i get a gmail account and everyone emails me their video we could use up that terabyte!
Course, I haven't googled for this so if it already exists...don't crucify me.
am I the only one who thought they meant Linux has more balls when used through Windows?
Until I saw the picture of the penguin baseball player at the top of the article
Duh!
I was thinking of putting CoLinux on a "have to use" W2K machine and thought maybe they were saying that Linux runs better within Windows. (Definitely a "What the...?")
(This article was posted this morning so no one will read my comment but, just on the off chance...)
I had this pop up about three months ago when I was looking at their sight and the sales guy pops on, offers to give me some help, answer any questions, etc. and when I asked him a question he promptly said "Oh...I am multi-tasking." 10 minutes later - after I went on surfing somewhere else (tabbed browsing rocks) he shows up again to "assist me"... when I commented that his pop up was a bit intrusive he tried to give me a spiel about how "its no more intrusive than shopping in a mall and having a salesperson come up to you" I called bullshit by saying " Yeah but this is my house and usually salesman don't just pop into my bedroom to ask if they can help AND even if I was at a mall the salesperson sure as hell wouldn't offer help and then immediately withdraw it with some ridiculous claim of handling other customers simultaneously. (like multi-tasking.)
So, as you can imagine, he closed the chat room!
Grrr!
Pissed me rtf off and I made sure all of my clients, associates and co-workers knew about his comments. Needless to say it was not a sale capturing moment for them.
Phew! Thank god we had the people at OpenSource to add all of those pretty green comments because otherwise I would have no idea what the hell he was talking about.
Lons? WTF, considering what a bitch they are to payback usually I fig-red just about everyone new how to spell the freakin' word.
If you think I am being a Spealot (spelling+zealot) then RTFA. It was horrible.
Right up there with the CEO ov EV1[L] hosting.
Course, this time round we don't know if anyone just made this up or not... but it seems like par for the course.
I think the general public might actually be tiring of SCO - my Grandfather (who does not even own a computer) said they remind him of his neighbors "yip" dog.
Yip yip yip all day long, bites you hard if you get too close but its basically just f******g anoying and you avoid it most of the time. Gramps is usually talking about poisoning it...
Anyway, the whole point of this article "86 million!!!" is not surprising. In fact... I think I might start a company with the sole intent of bashing on Windows opponents in the media....good revenue stream...
and not really tech gear, so yeah this is off topic a little, but holy sh*t last month I actually saw the ground staff for United tell a first class passenger they were sorry "but you have been randomly selected for a strict security check." this is just bad.
First off, if it is random that is good. however, the positive part to the randomness disappeared when you TOLD him about it! wtf.
assuming terrorists are stupid is sooo easy and so deadly....
how much do you want to bet you can get on an airplane with a battery powered grinder (instant deadly weapons made in the first class bathroom)
or multiple cans of shaving cream (one empty, the other three with chemical components that mix into something in the empty one and then are easily sprayed about killing others or at least putting them to sleep...)
A diabetic with insulin shots? ooops, that wasn't insulin, that was CYANIDE!
etc.
the rest of the nonsense we all have to deal with is ridiculous when anyone with a little intelligence and a great amount of desire can bypass any of this..
(like cracking in a microsoft world.?...)
national security needs to be open source! (at least in the sense that the "software" running airport security is determined by a management core at the Homeland Schmorgishbord. And said software needs to be edited or re-programmed.)
anyone know of a place to submit security related thoughts in an effort to help improve safety?
You must not be reading slashdot very often.
Regular readers like me know he is going to win because Diebold is going to hand him the votes.
(negative votes for Mr. Gore was my favorite from all of those articles.)
hey all,
just saw this on the morning news here in Japan. Given the time this article was posted probably no one will read my comment, but anyway -
to solve the mystery -
It was tethered!
They demonstrated it that way while saying it should be able to use a battery.
The really weird part was that the researcher who was demonstrating it said that it had potential uses for going places people usually can't like going to look at Grandma or the kids out in the yard while Mom is continuing with the housework!
My wife and I simultaneously said "Huh? What the....?"
Otherwise, they only said they would "like to use a wireless technology for control" but the actual flying prototype was controlled via the tether too.
- Jeff -
On the off chance that Redhat, as a corporation, reads all of these messages regardless of whether or not they make it to the interview session, I want to add my twenty cents.
First off, although there are many ways to exit a market, your comments pissed almost everyone off. Why you would trash the efforts of so many developers who worked their butts off to help build an alternative desktop is beyond me. You can be sure that 90% of them will refrain from helping spread any Redhat products in the future.
Second, as a small business owner, I must add my voice to the chorus shouting "ASSHOLES!" for giving us the shaft, along with the education community. I will switch all of my software and advise the clients I have to switch with me to Debian. We probably should have started with it in the first place. As for servers (I run and several and I am responsible for the intsitution of Redhat on several THOUSAND servers here in Kansai, throughout Japan and the world) NONE, I repeat NONE of them will touch Redhat Enterprise with a thousand foot pole if I can help it.
A great many of those machines are dell rack servers - here's hoping that Debian works allright on them too.
So, the overall question is the standard - Why would you ever imagine that we would happily accept your decision and actually switch to the enterprise service?
The DCMA is a grummet if there was one (5 pounds of shit in a 1 pound bag) but all the same....
am I the only who understands Mark when he is disgusted by the fact that this "researcher" was holding him over a barrel - "pay me consultant fees or I publish the hacks to generate CD keys" ???
Seems a little too slimy for a bugtracker.
No offense, but if I was in Marks' situation I would do whatever I could to stop getting blackmailed too.
Of course, then again, I would have started by not making grummet software but that's just me. *grin*
gee, I wonder if they tell you any of this stuff in the book:
1) If you are using pppoe as your internet connection then if you use the redhat version of rp-pppoe that comes with the install you are most likely screwed if you have no previous Linux and/or redhat experience. Why? Because those friendly redhat re-programmers really did a nice job on the setup script. There is this really *LOVELY* bit in the ifcfg-ppp0 (in/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts after you run the adsl-setup in/etc/ppp) file where whoever was responsible for the code that makes the file reversed two important variables (timeout and interval!) so there is tons of fun to be had while it connects for 20 seconds and reconnects for 20 seconds and re...
2) Redhat added this "feature" where if there is no default route (DHCP or a set one) then you get to see that address that microsoft likes to set for you too: 169.254.0.0 Man, that floored me the first time it popped up during the debugging of (1) (looked at route -n) (see http://linux.dbw.org/notes/static-routes.txt)
SO, if you are like me and decided to put redhat 9 on the machine that connects you the rest of the world (which is what most home users are going to do as they usually don't have 4 or 5 computers like some of us *grin*) and you have a pppoe connection - well! - redhat NICELY adds the 169.254 as your default route to whatever NIC has an address SO that after that when ppp0 comes up and tries to set the default route to itself the routing tabled stays wonked OR ppp0 simply does not come up.
It took three days of free time (i.e. normally sleep time) for me to take care of all of that and I work with servers ALL the time.
So: 1) I can see why redhat might say that Linux is not ready for the desktop. It ain't if they can't handle stuff like internet connections. Then again, maybe they were confusing Redhat with Linux. (cause, shit, if I did this on Slack or Deb I would have used the original stuff from roaring penguin!)
2) I hope that this book is aptly titled because there sure as hell better be a section explaining everything I found above. Otherwise the word in the title - "Mastering" - is suspect.
hi everybody. umm, gosh, don't know if i missed this news elsewhere in western media but last week on ABC (Asahi Broadcast Corp.) Japan there was a review of recent nanotechnology advances here in Japan and they reported that: 1) A Yamagata University research team has managed to make flexible millimeter thick screens (roll up your TV and stick it in a tube, into your backback, pocket, whatever and away you go..!) ALREADY so I don't understand what the big deal is with these nanowires. Plus the Yamagata people figured out how to use a kind of "nano-dye" for multiple applications like: a) flexible thin solar cells (your tent is a battery charger!) or b) a blue "lens" to increase the data storage on those recently reknown expensive blue laser cd's that store gigs of date. (20 times more (?))
Sorry for the lack of net based info but it looked pretty amazing - heck, I saw it on TV so come on, it must be bran' spankin' new!
just have to call you on this one: Yes, I would and do say "alittle". I just don't spell it that way, and who gives a shit anyway? Alot of the people who read alot understand it just as much as a lot.
living here in Osaka has been fun for the last ten years. EXCEPT for when the government wrote the law that said that the consumer must pay the cost of recycling air conditioners, washers, dryers, and now computers.
The reason why it has not been fun is because in the beautiful park nearby - and in the corners of some of the rice fields! - there are piles of dishwashing machines, refrigerators and old "wapro"s (japanese word processors). The city governement becomes responsible after several months of no one claiming them but then the tax payers money gets used for the disposal.
You see, the problematic point is not so much that the little sticker on new machines is there to show that you have prepaid (hence adding to the price of new machines) BUT that all the old machines are levyed for a fee to recycle them.
Many people don't want to spend 7000 yen to get rid of their old air conditioner so they junk it.
Same thing may happen to computers too.
Hopefully some people will be unable to afford the cost of recycling and dump some pentium class stuff!
Hey, anyone want to help start an NPO to help me collect Japanese machines and send them to Asia/Africa?
slash. finally finds a way to write articles that force us to read the links!
It seemed like someone was stupid for a minute there and forgot his name...
Anybody got any ideas on what his name is?
My bets on Joe. as in Shmoe.
It seems at Ipswitch his photo id name is messaging.jpg.
Whereas at Plesk he is Mr. productPhoto.jpg.
Then over at SCO is the auth_guy.jpg.
All Hail AUTH_GUY!
He must a transvestite then if SCO is calling him an authentic guy. (No offense to the transvestite reading population, just seems to fit as far as SCO lying goes.)
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i posted the following about Japan, it is still relevant to this discussion
living here in Osaka has been fun for the last ten years.
EXCEPT for when the government wrote the law that said that the consumer must pay the cost of recycling air conditioners, washers, dryers, and now computers.
The reason why it has not been fun is because in the beautiful park nearby - and in the corners of some of the rice fields! - there are piles of dishwashing machines, refrigerators and old "wapro"s (japanese word processors). The city governement becomes responsible after several months of no one claiming them but then the tax payers money gets used for the disposal.
You see, the problematic point is not so much that the little sticker on new machines is there to show that you have prepaid (hence adding to the price of new machines) BUT that all the old machines are levyed for a fee to recycle them.
Many people don't want to spend 7000 yen to get rid of their old air conditioner so they junk it.
Same thing may happen to computers too.
Dude! How come you didn't get modded up for responding to a rhetorical question about a rhetorical question?
( your head hurts?)
Dude! How did you get modded insightful for asking a question about how you get modded insightful for asking a question?
(my head hurts)
Sorry dood.
I coodn't reed the artickle.
Know pictures.
Cept for tizements.
hey, cool verizon swoosh.
picture some gnarly doods.
Whadda ya meen dumbedown?
By the way, wassup with that duck comic?
If its from democracy then Slashdot just voted you out of office.
what would be really cool is if we could get a bunch of truckers from some massive trucking company to put these on their rigs and film different routes.
same thing - put cameras/VCRs on UPS delivery trucks in cities (hey UPS - would you like to make a deal?) and then collect all of the video, edit it, make it interactive... so you can direct the vehicle...
or at least create a program that allows for you to give an address and a destination and "voila" there is an automagically created video for you of a possible route.
That way you can use visual cues so as to avoid getting lost. I bet there are lots of people who can't read maps that would love something like that.
maybe if i get a gmail account and everyone emails me their video we could use up that terabyte!
Course, I haven't googled for this so if it already exists...don't crucify me.
- Grum
am I the only one who thought they meant Linux has more balls when used through Windows? ...?")
Until I saw the picture of the penguin baseball player at the top of the article
Duh!
I was thinking of putting CoLinux on a "have to use" W2K machine and thought maybe they were saying that Linux runs better within Windows. (Definitely a "What the
(This article was posted this morning so no one will read my comment but, just on the off chance ...)
I had this pop up about three months ago when I was looking at their sight and the sales guy pops on,
offers to give me some help, answer any questions, etc. and when I asked him a question he promptly said "Oh...I am multi-tasking." 10 minutes later - after I went on surfing somewhere else (tabbed browsing rocks) he shows up again to "assist me"... when I commented that his pop up was a bit intrusive he tried to give me a spiel about how "its no more intrusive than shopping in a mall and having a salesperson come up to you" I called bullshit by saying " Yeah but this is my house and usually salesman don't just pop into my bedroom to ask if they can help AND even if I was at a mall the salesperson sure as hell wouldn't offer help and then immediately withdraw it with some ridiculous claim of handling other customers simultaneously. (like multi-tasking.)
So, as you can imagine, he closed the chat room!
Grrr!
Pissed me rtf off and I made sure all of my clients, associates and co-workers knew about his comments. Needless to say it was not a sale capturing moment for them.
Phew! Thank god we had the people at OpenSource to add all of those pretty green comments because otherwise I would have no idea what the hell he was talking about.
Lons? WTF, considering what a bitch they are to payback usually I fig-red just about everyone new how to spell the freakin' word.
If you think I am being a Spealot (spelling+zealot) then RTFA. It was horrible.
Right up there with the CEO ov EV1[L] hosting.
Course, this time round we don't know if anyone just made this up or not... but it seems like par for the course.
I think the general public might actually be tiring of SCO - my Grandfather (who does not even own a computer) said they remind him of his neighbors "yip" dog.
Yip yip yip all day long, bites you hard if you get too close but its basically just f******g anoying and you avoid it most of the time.
Gramps is usually talking about poisoning it...
Anyway, the whole point of this article "86 million!!!" is not surprising.
In fact... I think I might start a company with the sole intent of bashing on Windows opponents in the media....good revenue stream...
Ahh, but maybe that would be plaugerism.
and not really tech gear, so yeah this is off topic a little, but holy sh*t last month I actually saw the ground staff for United tell a first class passenger they were sorry "but you have been randomly selected for a strict security check."
.?...)
this is just bad.
First off, if it is random that is good. however, the positive part to the randomness disappeared when you TOLD him about it! wtf.
assuming terrorists are stupid is sooo easy and so deadly....
how much do you want to bet you can get on an airplane with a battery powered grinder
(instant deadly weapons made in the first class bathroom)
or multiple cans of shaving cream (one empty, the other three with chemical components that mix into something in the empty one and then are easily sprayed about killing others or at least putting them to sleep...)
A diabetic with insulin shots?
ooops, that wasn't insulin, that was CYANIDE!
etc.
the rest of the nonsense we all have to deal with is ridiculous when anyone with a little intelligence and a great amount of desire can bypass any of this..
(like cracking in a microsoft world
national security needs to be open source! (at least in the sense that the "software" running airport security is determined by a management core at the Homeland Schmorgishbord. And said software needs to be edited or re-programmed.)
anyone know of a place to submit security related thoughts in an effort to help improve safety?
'course, its probably a round file...
- j -
You must not be reading slashdot very often. Regular readers like me know he is going to win because Diebold is going to hand him the votes. (negative votes for Mr. Gore was my favorite from all of those articles.)
Actual, honest to god, Japanese that works!
As it stands Evolution cannot even READ s-jis, or properly display jis.
These are standards.
It doesn't even seem to work in a Japanese locale. sheesh.
hey all, just saw this on the morning news here in Japan. Given the time this article was posted probably no one will read my comment, but anyway - to solve the mystery - It was tethered! They demonstrated it that way while saying it should be able to use a battery. The really weird part was that the researcher who was demonstrating it said that it had potential uses for going places people usually can't like going to look at Grandma or the kids out in the yard while Mom is continuing with the housework! My wife and I simultaneously said "Huh? What the ....?"
Otherwise, they only said they would "like to use a wireless technology for control" but the actual flying prototype was controlled via the tether too.
- Jeff -
i wonder if they have to help out like Cisco did with the Great Firewall of China?
you know, put in government backdoors everywhere so THEY can watch what you are doing all the time.
I can see it now - Sun will have *special* chinese machines.
On the off chance that Redhat, as a corporation, reads all of these messages regardless of whether or not they make it to the interview session, I want to add my twenty cents.
First off, although there are many ways to exit a market, your comments pissed almost everyone off. Why you would trash the efforts of so many developers who worked their butts off to help build an alternative desktop is beyond me. You can be sure that 90% of them will refrain from helping spread any Redhat products in the future.
Second, as a small business owner, I must add my voice to the chorus shouting "ASSHOLES!" for giving us the shaft, along with the education community. I will switch all of my software and advise the clients I have to switch with me to Debian. We probably should have started with it in the first place.
As for servers (I run and several and I am responsible for the intsitution of Redhat on several THOUSAND servers here in Kansai, throughout Japan and the world) NONE, I repeat NONE of them will touch Redhat Enterprise with a thousand foot pole if I can help it.
A great many of those machines are dell rack servers - here's hoping that Debian works allright on them too.
So, the overall question is the standard -
Why would you ever imagine that we would happily accept your decision and actually switch to the enterprise service?
Just me venting.
- Jeff -
great, so we get more plastic on the planet.
but, whoa, the process for making this silicate stuff is REALLY,
EXTRA-SUPER BAD for the planet AFAIK.
Not so sure bzillions of little sticks of these would be a good idea.
Can't we find a way to genetically engineer trees to have the right cell structure to do this?
Then all you have to do is break a branch off and cut to the right length. Voila! Presto! Another memory stick!
The DCMA is a grummet if there was one (5 pounds of shit in a 1 pound bag) but all the same ....
am I the only who understands Mark when he is disgusted by the fact that this "researcher" was holding him over a barrel - "pay me consultant fees or I publish the hacks to generate CD keys"
???
Seems a little too slimy for a bugtracker.
No offense, but if I was in Marks' situation I would do whatever I could to stop getting blackmailed too.
Of course, then again, I would have started by not making grummet software but that's just me.
*grin*
- Jeff -
gee, I wonder if they tell you any of this stuff in the book:
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts after you run the adsl-setup in /etc/ppp) file where whoever was responsible for the code that makes the file reversed two important variables (timeout and interval!) ...
1) If you are using pppoe as your internet connection then if you use the redhat version of rp-pppoe that comes with the install you are most likely screwed if you have no previous Linux and/or redhat experience. Why? Because those friendly redhat re-programmers really did a nice job on the setup script.
There is this really *LOVELY* bit in the ifcfg-ppp0 (in
so there is tons of fun to be had while it connects for 20 seconds and reconnects for 20 seconds and re
2) Redhat added this "feature" where if there is no default route (DHCP or a set one) then you get to see that address that microsoft likes to set for you too: 169.254.0.0 Man, that floored me the first time it popped up during the debugging of (1) (looked at route -n)
(see http://linux.dbw.org/notes/static-routes.txt)
SO, if you are like me and decided to put redhat 9 on the machine that connects you the rest of the world (which is what most home users are going to do as they usually don't have 4 or 5 computers like some of us *grin*) and you have a pppoe connection - well! - redhat NICELY adds the 169.254 as your default route to whatever NIC has an address SO that after that when ppp0 comes up and tries to set the default route to itself the routing tabled stays wonked OR ppp0 simply does not come up.
It took three days of free time (i.e. normally sleep time) for me to take care of all of that and I work with servers ALL the time.
So:
1) I can see why redhat might say that Linux is not ready for the desktop. It ain't if they can't handle stuff like internet connections. Then again, maybe they were confusing Redhat with Linux. (cause, shit, if I did this on Slack or Deb I would have used the original stuff from roaring penguin!)
2) I hope that this book is aptly titled because there sure as hell better be a section explaining everything I found above. Otherwise the word in the title - "Mastering" - is suspect.
- Jeff -
hi everybody.
umm, gosh, don't know if i missed this news elsewhere in western media but last week on ABC (Asahi Broadcast Corp.) Japan there was a review of recent nanotechnology advances here in Japan and they reported that:
1) A Yamagata University research team has managed to make flexible millimeter thick screens (roll up your TV and stick it in a tube, into your backback, pocket, whatever and away you go..!) ALREADY so I don't understand what the big deal is with these nanowires. Plus the Yamagata people figured out how to use a kind of "nano-dye" for multiple applications like:
a) flexible thin solar cells (your tent is a battery charger!) or
b) a blue "lens" to increase the data storage on those recently reknown expensive blue laser cd's that store gigs of date. (20 times more (?))
Sorry for the lack of net based info but it looked pretty amazing - heck, I saw it on TV so come on,
it must be bran' spankin' new!
- Jeff -
just have to call you on this one:
Yes, I would and do say "alittle".
I just don't spell it that way, and who gives a shit anyway? Alot of the people who read alot understand it just as much as a lot.
I dunno - the list of supported apps includes a lot of "known to not work" apps in it.
call me stupid, but, if they don't work how the heck
can you say they are supported?
looks like somebody was just trying to fluff up the list so they could get attention.
ttwisi
- jeff -
what the hell?
...is informative?
this is informative?
ok, so now everyone who just says things like
"This sucks. You all knew that. Just thought I'd say it too. My boring comment."
ridiculous.
living here in Osaka has been fun for the last ten years.
EXCEPT for when the government wrote the law that said that the consumer must pay the cost of recycling air conditioners, washers, dryers, and now computers.
The reason why it has not been fun is because in the beautiful park nearby - and in the corners of some of the rice fields! - there are piles of dishwashing machines, refrigerators and old "wapro"s (japanese word processors). The city governement becomes responsible after several months of no one claiming them but then the tax payers money gets used for the disposal.
You see, the problematic point is not so much that the little sticker on new machines is there to show that you have prepaid (hence adding to the price of new machines) BUT that all the old machines are levyed for a fee to recycle them.
Many people don't want to spend 7000 yen to get rid of their old air conditioner so they junk it.
Same thing may happen to computers too.
Hopefully some people will be unable to afford the cost of recycling and dump some pentium class stuff!
Hey, anyone want to help start an NPO to help me collect Japanese machines and send them to Asia/Africa?
- Jeff -
slash. finally finds a way to write articles that force us to read the links!
It seemed like someone was stupid for a minute there and forgot his name...
Anybody got any ideas on what his name is?
My bets on Joe.
as in Shmoe.
It seems at Ipswitch his photo id name is
messaging.jpg.
Whereas at Plesk he is Mr. productPhoto.jpg.
Then over at SCO is the auth_guy.jpg.
All Hail AUTH_GUY!
He must a transvestite then if SCO is calling him an authentic guy. (No offense to the transvestite reading population, just seems to fit as far as SCO lying goes.)
Hmm. Anybody know his true identity?
sig shmig
Ok, ok so we aren't supposed to respond to ourselves. So shoot me.
The wife walked in and caught me slashdotting and I panickt and hit submit!
Anyway...
The company I worked at sold an 80 dollar piece of software to Japanese government groups for 3,500 dollars. Ridiculous. And they paid!!
Shit!
Here she comes again....!