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Ghost In The Shell 2: Innocence
timbloid writes "I spotted on Ain't it cool news that Mamoru Oshii's new anime Innocence Ghost In The Shell 2's website is now open! The trailer is beautiful! But I can't help thinking a translated version is some time off from the 2004 Japanese release... Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese?"
Just wait for the universal Esperanto version.
"Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese?"
I think it's better to watch a film in the language it's created in. Who knows if the translation is correct? Isn't it better to hear the real actors, and listen to the sounds they make, as opposed to some translated version?
A large piece of the meaning and fluidity of a film is lost in translation.
I can remember sitting around a table of French friends of mine, not knowing a word of French myself, and it was still interesting to listen to them, like a fly on a wall. You don't know what's being said, but the experience has it's own merits.
There's something really cool about watching anime in Japanese that gives a kind of simplicity to the plot and idea of the film. Because you have no idea what's being said, you can kind of guess, and that adds some of your immagination to the mix. It delivers a kind of Zen, IMHO. And with the visuals in the trailer of Ghost In the Shell 2, who cares what language it's in!! Gimmie!! Gimmie!!
I love the original ghost because it convinces many who didn't think they would like anime that it isn't "just a cartoon". Although today anime is becoming "cool", when I was in high school it was pretty fringe. When ghost came out, I showed it to quite a few people who didn't know what anime was, and most had a much better appreciation for the fact that "cartoons" could tell a compelling story.
Of course, it isn't for the squeamish...
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Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese?
So long as you are not turning Japanese that will be fine.
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Also, I would say that the US will not be seeing the movie until sometime in 2005. I personaly am looking forward to GITS:Stand Allow Complex, both the series and the manga.
Why the hell is this rated Interesting and not Flamebait? Japanese animation isnt all about raping and sex no more than all American films is hardcore pornography.
There are some great and funny, not to mention hardwarming movies and series in this genre. Open your eyes, and stop being so discriminating.
But I can't help thinking a translated version is some time off from the 2004 Japanese release...
The original GitS had a simultaneous theatrical release in Japan, the US and the UK. So, you might not have to wait that long after all. Oh, and I'm sure the fansubbers will be all over it as fast as possible. I saw a TeleSync of the Cowboy Bebop movie two weeks after its Japanese premier.
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I would say that you can't really grasp Japanese language without living in Japan for a while. I can say that after taking Japanese in High School and College and getting top marks in both, my Japanese skills turned out to be pathetic when I finally got to Japan.
That being said, after a few years of diving into the language (by which I mean being thrown in the deep end of the pool), I could function fairly well as an interpreter.
The big thing is to go to Japan and speak Japanese, even if you can't. Hanging around with other English speakers all the time and/or copping out and trying to get them to speak English will get you nowhere. The average english teacher I see in Japan can't speak a lick of Japanese even after several years. Why? because they either do not want to learn or constantly take the easy way out.
You can learn Japanese in about a year, if you are living in the country. If you're not American, look into the Working Holiday Visa option. There are also some excellent exchange programs with generous scholarships to students.
If you want more of the GITS i suggest checking out this anime series. It takes place in a different timeline where Mokoto Kusangi never encountered the Puppet Master.
It has been fansubbed by a few groups and I believe it is licensed for US release as well.
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Learning to read english is probably easier. Then you can watch the movie with subtiles.
I've been asked that before.
My personal preference of Anime is that I feel animation is a more solid medium to present a story. And japenese animation has historically been better than many of the US attempts. Likewise, Japenese animation is more likey to show the darker side of things: people die, blood is spilled, war, etc. Meanwhile, US animation is too "Disney-esque", pandering to the G-rated demographic, or trying to get kids to buy their merchandise.
Some people prefer black-and-white films, other like musicals, and I even know a few people that like silent films. It's just a preference on how the film is portrayed, and I personally like a WELL drawn animation so long as it has a good story and isn't some lame kids show.
In movies, you have wooden actors playing the lead roles because teenage girls think they are cute, and a bimbo playing the leading lady because she has big cleavage.
And most importantly, there are some things that actors can't do (mostly stunts). Sure, you can add special affects, but they sometimes don't look too special.
The settings are another benefit. Some of the greatly drawn anime has settings that you cannot replicate on a stage without it looking "tacky" or fake (CGI), and in some cases look almost heavenly. Lush forests, planet-scapes, buildings, some of it are works of art.
Animation CAN allow a story to be truly delivered the way it was meant ot be delivered. The character can look exactly like the author originally imagined him/her as. The stunts can look more fluid (all-be-it impossible to perform in real life). Essentially the entire film can be presented in a pure unadulterated form.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of bad animation out there. And, like anything else, it can be watered down to some fluff that only kids like (such as Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc). And the tentacle thing (while a stereotypical description of anime) occurs in more "shady" shows, it's not like its everywhere. You must just be downloading some porn like "La Blue Girl" or something.
All I ask is that some of you people not just label it as some kiddy-show or porn. There's a lot of anime out there that's deep and meaningful, all-the-while being beautifully drawn.
I think the biggest problem anime currently faces in the US is not translation, or people not liking sub-titles. It comes down to two things:
People expect anime to be childrens cartoons, because that's all american cartoons are (in general)
or
People look for a traditional western storyline, and they can't handle characters who are both good and bad, and stories that deal with multiple social issues, without offering panaceas at the end.
It takes a unique type of American to enjoy an anime, and until the rest of the country realizes the walls they have up, and takes them down, and appreciates anime for the beautiful deep art it is, anime won't be widely accepted.
What does this have to do with GITS? I would love to see that movie on a big screen, but unless I catch it at a local college, I've got no chance. We need to change American preconceptions so that we can watch our movies the way they were meant to be watched!
I often show friends the movie Princess Mononoke(sp?), and they say, "Wow, that was incredible!", and I tell them, "There are more movies like that, and a lot that are better than that." But no one has ever heard of it, because the american public can't understand or be bothered to try and understand an animated cartoon not aimed at children, or that doesn't hinge on humour. Sure, Pixar has gotten animation into the mainstream, but all of pixars movies are considered "Funny" and "child-safe".
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I never heard of this "Ghost in the" shell.
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trailer is beautiful!
Looks like there's a lot of computer graphics in it...
BTW, Lots of us see the original GITS as the movie that got plagiarized by the Wachowskis.
It's nice to see an incoming sequel of the original thing.
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I was very surprised at what I heard when I opened the trailer--the song that goes through the whole thing is set to the melody of Joaquin Rodrigo's 'Concierto del Aranguez', one of the very few classical concertos for guitar. Interesting to hear the piece arranged for voice and hand drums :)
Bit Torrent link for the trailer: http://www.filerush.com/torrents/gits_2-innocence_ trailer-japanese-480.mov.torrent
Fansubs will come out in less than a month. You can then read your way through, along with the subs of the songs.
The orginal GITS manga was written with the same type of ending, the author orginaly intended for another manga to be out soon telling the rest of the story, but delays kept it from happening.
It only seems appropriate to provide a link to the limited edition Ghost in the Shell Mouse, just in case anime fans haven't heard of it. This mouse was designed by Masamune Shiro and is really quite a sight to behold. I love the ergonomics, light weight, and 800 count resolution, but I'm probably biased. ;)
I'm particularly bemused by your criticisms of "iconic visual style." Apparently you judge a visual presentation based on your assessment of the technical complexities of acheiving it? I judge it based on the visual impact the composition has on me. Who the fuck cares if it was easy or difficult to make (like you know shit about the relative complexity of creating an effect in one medium versus another anyway... offhand I'd say drawing fog beautifully is a fuck of a lot more effort than paying some tech to plug in a fog machine)? Either it works visually or it doesn't. Maybe you're missing some of the subtle nuances because you're peripheral vision is being blocked by that enormous chip on your shoulder.
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Dreamworks To Distribute Ghost In The Shell II
In Spring Of 2004
August 14, 2003
Screen Daily reports that Dreamworks SKG has formed a specialty distribution arm, Go Fish, which will distribute its first film, Satoshi Kon's Millenium Actress, on September 12 in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and San Francisco. Dreamworks set up Go Fish just after Warner Bros. announced the launch of Warner Independent Pictures, which will release films from independents and small production companies. While Go Fish will undoubtedly release its share of indie films, the second film announced by Dreamworks was Ghost In The Shell II: Innocence, the follow-up to the extremely successful science fiction anime feature, Ghost In The Shell, which was directed by Mamoru Oshii and based on the manga series by Masamune Shirow (published in the U.S by Dark Horse). It should be interesting to see if Dreamworks primarily uses Go Fish to compete with Warners for indie films or to gain a beachhead for anime feature films in the rough and tumble arena of theatrical exhibition.
Ghost in the Shell II is in the final stages of production in Japan, and Go Fish plans to release the feature film late in the first half of 2004. Back in 1996 the original Ghost In the Shell film made a major impact in the U.S. and launched a plethora of successful tie-in products including posters, statues, art books, manga, and action figures. With a Ghost in the Shell TV series (see "Bandai Gets Ghost In the Shell TV Series") set to debut in the U.S. and the merchandising potential of a second Ghost In The Shell movie (see "New Ghost In The Shell Movie"), this property is poised to take off once again.
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Dreamworks has already licensed the film, and will release it under their Go Fish label next spring, practically simultaneous with the Japanse premier. So quit bellyaching about a long wait.
In addition, the aforementioned TV series, GitS:Stand Alone Complex, has also been licensed by Bandai Entertainment USA, which actually helped finance it. It should see domestic DVD next year, probably about the same time as the movie is released to theatres.
I've come to realize that paintings and drawings actually suck, because photos have much clearer resolution. In fact, many times the drawn or painted subject looks nothing like the object in question! Those artists are not going to get their obligatory 'wow' from me though. I mean, it's a completely controlled environment. They didn't actually have to arange fog machines or lights. I mean, the nerve of those people, using and communicationg with their imagination! What a bunch of pretentious assholes!
I get the impression that when fans sit down to look at a painting, all standards which they might otherwise apply go right out the window...because it's ART!!
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Bullshit.
The only groups that will be doing the new movie are warez groups, because all the respectable groups won't touch it because its licensed.
Right now fansubbing groups do work that far surpasses commercial releases in terms of translation accuracy and subbing quality.
Right now fansubbing is at its lowest point since its inception, focusing on SPEED and quantity over quality. As I've said before, fansub translations these days are equal or poorer than any official translation.
I've heard no argument to the contrary that can't be whittled down to "I'm an elitist who hasn't a clue" for its origin.
"STAND ALONE COMPLEX" is pretty good too. Its a 26 episode TV series done in the Ghost universe, by Production IG.
It gets better as it goes along. Not as hardcore as the movie or comic though.
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