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Millions Delete ALL Music Files?

Honig the Apothecary writes "CNN is reporting that millions of people have deleted all the music files from their computers in a story here. My question is how the hell would they know? Are they substituting "deleted" for the words "disabled sharing with other users"?"

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  1. Lies, damned lies, and dumb polls... by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hi, this is jim joebob from the NPD group. We're doing a little survey to find out how many households have thrown away their pot. Do you still have a stash over 1oz, or have you disposed of all your contraband since the current crackdown went into effect?

    Either way, please give me your name and address, and the pattywagon will arrive in 15 minutes.

    1. Re:Lies, damned lies, and dumb polls... by sharkey · · Score: 5, Funny
      the pattywagon will arrive in 15 minutes.

      MMmmmmm... burgers.

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    2. Re:Lies, damned lies, and dumb polls... by I+am+Kobayashi · · Score: 5, Informative
      Actually it isn't based on a poll, but rather 40,000 voluntary computer users who allow their computers to be monitored...

      Hmm I wonder if people who know their computers are being monitored are more likely to delete their digital music files... Maybe that would affect the validity of this study, you think? :p

      Here is the official press release

      Note it states:
      "Methodology Note: NPD MusicWatch Digital information is collected continuously from the PCs of 40,000 volunteer online panelists, balanced to represent the online population of PC users. NPD's MusicLab survey was fielded in September of 2003 to a representative sample of 5,000 respondents aged 13 and older."
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    3. Re:Lies, damned lies, and dumb polls... by loginx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Call me paranoid but I wonder if those 40,000 'volunteers' are even aware that they have agreed to install monitoring software on their computer and that someone is checking everything they do.

      I wouldn't even be surprised if the monitoring was handled by Gator :P

    4. Re:Lies, damned lies, and dumb polls... by laird · · Score: 5, Interesting

      'I wonder if clicking "I Agree" in any of thier software installations made them become "volunteers".'

      NPD doesn't sneak software onto people's computers. People on NPD's panels know that they are panelists. They are recruited, surveyed (gender, age, etc.) and qualified into specific surveys, and are compensated for participating in the panels.

      Of course, since the panelists know that they're on the panel, NPD has control mechanisms and statistical models to compensate in this surve, as they do when surveying what magazines people read, what food they like, and so on.I don't know the details of their methodology, but their research is trusted in a huge range of consumer surveys, and they've always had good answers to my questions, so my starting assumption is that they did a pretty good job on this survey as well, unless someone picks out specific flaws.

    5. Re:Lies, damned lies, and dumb polls... by The_K4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      And half and hour after then monitoring software is uninstalled, they can get all their digital music files back off of the iPod. :)

    6. Re:Lies, damned lies, and dumb polls... by shotfeel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I want to know is why did they delete them?

      The fact that people feel they need to delete all the music files on their computer is downright scary.

      Why scary?

      Its not illegal to have music files on your computer! Did they delete "legal" and "illegal" ones alike? If so that means the RIAA has scared people into believing they aren't allowed to have music on their computer.

      To me it means the RIAA, MPAA, FTC, courts and elected officials have us afraid to fully use technology in a way that is beneficial to us. We're now afraid we may be dragged into court and fined $millions for having music on our computer. We're being told more and more what we can't do, and not what we can do.

      Sorry for the ranting, but its sickening to me to think that so many people may be deleting "legal" music from their computer all because of FUD.

      Whatever happened to the pursuit of happiness?

    7. Re:Lies, damned lies, and dumb polls... by ghost-hacked · · Score: 4, Funny

      Q:Whatever happened to the pursuit of happiness?
      A:Hallmark finaly caught it, broke its spirit, and put it on a greeting card.

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    8. Re:Lies, damned lies, and dumb polls... by Lectrik · · Score: 4, Funny
      In the near future, popular music will be made by robots, and the kids won't be able to tell the difference.


      And by 'near future' you mean the 1990's right?
      You'll never convince me the boy bands aren't sing-droids. And don't even get me started on the spice girls or brittany and her clones
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  2. That's the same number of people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    that downloaded the new britney cd. Coincidence?

  3. They're Right!! by MrCaseyB · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well Duh! Of course we are deleting all the music files from my computer. How else am I going to have enough disk space for all the pirated HD broadcasts I will be downloading?

  4. What's the difference? by r_glen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As far as the RIAA is concered, deleting and 'unsharing' are same thing.
    Their goal is to stop filesharing, not convince users to pay for what they already downloaded.

    1. Re:What's the difference? by Mattcelt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Believe you me, if there was a feasible way for them to do just that, they would. Remember the legislation they were trying to get passed which would allow them to legally hack into people's computers?

      Don't ever underestimate greed as a motivating factor.

  5. Deleted or Burned? by Gr33nNight · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Take out deleted and add in burned. With cd writers being under $50, and with blank cds being damn near free, it makes a lot more sence to just burn all your mp3s instead of archiving them on your hard drive.

    1. Re:Deleted or Burned? by G27+Radio · · Score: 4, Funny

      For people that actually leave their computers, burning music onto a CD can be handy ;)

  6. Ya, right. by Mullen · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're just like me, they burn them onto CDROM instead and then delete the files...TO MAKE ROOM FOR MORE PIRATED MUSIC! [Evil laugh...]

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  7. Correction by sulli · · Score: 5, Interesting
    RIAA member Time Warner is reporting that millions of people have deleted all the music files from their computers.

    Also on the page (I'm not kidding, look yourself):

    RELATED
    Music swappers sued, amnesty unveiled
    Why I've stopped sharing music
    Study: CDs may soon go the way of vinyl
    12-year-old settles music swap lawsuit
    Why suing college students for music downloading is right
    Details of RIAA's amnesty program: Musicunited.org

    CNN: The Least Trusted Name In News.

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    1. Re:Correction by Datasage · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yup, cnn is own by time warner. They also own all of these music labels.

      Warner Music Group - Recording Labels
      The Atlantic Group
      Atlantic Classics
      Atlantic Jazz
      Atlantic Nashville
      Atlantic Theater
      Big Beat
      Blackground
      Breaking
      Igloo
      Lava
      Mesa/Blu emoon
      Modern
      1 43
      Rhino Records
      Elektra Entertainment Group
      Elektra
      EastWest
      Asylum
      Elektra/Sire
      Wa rner Brothers Records
      Warner Brothers
      Warner Nashville
      Warner Alliance
      Warner Resound
      Warner Sunset
      Reprise
      Reprise Nashville
      American Recordings
      Giant
      Maverick
      Revolution
      Qwest
      Wa rner Music International
      WEA Telegram
      East West ZTT
      Coalition
      CGD East West
      China
      Continential
      DRO East West
      Erato
      Fazer
      Finlandia
      Magneoton
      MCM
      Non esuch
      Teldec
      Other Recording Interests
      Warner/Chappell Music (publishing company)
      WEA Inc. (sales, distribution and manufacturing)
      Ivy Hill Corporation (printing and packaging)
      Warner Special Products

      Source: http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/timewarner.asp

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    2. Re:Correction by BJZQ8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I love these lines from another CNN Story... "In a culture without copyright, only the rich, or the government-sponsored, could be this culture's full-time creators. Poor artists such as Loretta Lynn would have to flip burgers long into their music careers -- and might even give up on music entirely." So, instead, in a culture WITH copyright, only the rich and government-sponsored (through government-protected monopolies) are this culture's full-time creators. Poor artists flip burgers even though they have multi-platinum selling albums, while the music companies get billions.

    3. Re:Correction by sharkey · · Score: 4, Funny
      CNN: The Least Trusted Name In News.

      Ahem

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    4. Re:Correction by Epistax · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article is from reuters, not CNN, you silly, silly bastard.

      LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- More than a million households deleted all the digital music files they had saved on their PCs in August, a sign that the record industry's anti-piracy tactics are hitting home, research company NPD Group said. ...

    5. Re:Correction by gregmac · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I actually read the article entitled 'Why suing college students for music downloading is right'

      As did I. How does such bad journalism make it to cnn.com..

      Was it not for copyright's ability to build fences around intangible goods such as lyrics and melodies, a performer like Loretta Lynn would not have been able to leave Butcher Holler, Kentucky, and share her gifts with the world.Was it not for copyright's ability to build fences around intangible goods such as lyrics and melodies, a performer like Loretta Lynn would not have been able to leave Butcher Holler, Kentucky, and share her gifts with the world.

      So without copyright, they never would have made it. Oh, ok. I guess I'll just take your word for it, since you didn't provide any reasoning or proof behind that statement - which the rest of the article is based on, I might add.

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  8. Methodology by Snot+Locker · · Score: 5, Informative
    The original press release is here. In it, it states:

    Methodology Note: NPD MusicWatch Digital information is collected continuously from the PCs of 40,000 volunteer online panelists, balanced to represent the online population of PC users. NPD's MusicLab survey was fielded in September of 2003 to a representative sample of 5,000 respondents aged 13 and older.

    Still, you have to believe their volunteer panelists wouldn't fess up to having any downloaded music given the current RIAA intimidation tactics.

    1. Re:Methodology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This note completely explains the situation. These people volunteered to be monitored. They had big MP3 collections and thought "Eh, maybe legal, maybe not, but who cares, nothing will come of it." Then they hear about lawsuits.

      Now, since they *volunteered* to be monitored, of course they want to delete all their MP3's. It's kind of like saying "100% of drug dealers who volunteered to have their houses searched with several hours notice have been found to have NO DRUGS!"

      Yeah, sure, of course. But that number isn't going to be representitive of all drug dealers.

  9. That's simple... by the_skywise · · Score: 5, Funny

    We asked 2 people if they had deleted all their files. 1 said yes, the other said no. We factored that in against the population of the US, # of computer users, # of estimated song downloaders, and then against a .5% factor of error...

    Voila 1.4 million people have deleted their music drives. That'll be 5 cents please.

  10. Obligatory Penny-Arcade Link by FrEaK7782 · · Score: 5, Funny
  11. Re:Don't forget... by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I felt a great disturbance in the kazaa, it was like millions of files cried out at once and then were silent..."

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  12. Deleted, but not defeated! by gorfie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I personally deleted all of my mp3's as well as all traces of said mp3's in the registry because I didn't want to chance being harassed. However, I also have not purchased a CD since then nor will I ever purchase one in the future.

    The music industry stifles musical creativity by picking up the latest britney clones and telling the masses that they are popular. Even the artists that are lucky enough to be chosen don't make anything from the CD sales. It's all about some old man somewhere making 90% profit from each CD sold, just because a group of those guys controls what gets sold to stores, what plays on the radio, and what is seen on MTV.

    I can safely say that I've given up on the music industry and the only time I am exposed is when I'm in the car and the radio happens to be on. Good riddance Recording Industry Ass. of America. You can take your pop music and shove it up your ass.

  13. My bad by Cyno · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sorry about all the confusion. I deleted millions of songs off my computer. I work for Time Warner, so I guess some of my coworkers might have noticed. Sorry about that.

  14. RIAA by bs_02_06_02 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The RIAA is a political organization, looking to ban technology to save their business model.
    The recording industry fatcats want their money, and are scared of new technology. No one wants to split from the group and try selling music in any other fashion than the current model. They feel threatened. The industry is behaving exactly like they did during the cassette tape scare, just like the motion picture industry was scared of the VCR and video tape. Remember movie rentals? VHS videos were frequently $100 or more until used movies became available... and movie houses started dropping their retail prices down to the current prices.
    Movie rentals threatened the movie industry, until they realized that it actually developed new markets for their material.

    The RIAA is not filled with innovative, bright individuals. The RIAA throws money at weak-minded, spineless senators and congresspeople like Conyer, Fritz Hollings, and any politician from California (Berman, Feinstein, etc.). The recording industry sees technology as the end of their business. They are in denial. The emperor has no clothes.
    What's really funny is that they also profit from the downloaders. They research what the downloaders' are trading, and call the radio stations to increase air time, which sells more CDs. Hypocrites! They profit from the very process they're trying to stop.
    I don't fault them for researching the downloaders' behavior. That's the bright people helping the record biz survive.
    The political side of the biz is what I can't stand. This is why most people can't stand politicians or the courts.

    Politicians choose not to understand the technology, they choose to listen to those with the biggest pocketbooks. Ostriches... with their heads in sand.
    With the RIAA and Fritz Hollings' old method of thinking, the school systems should only be using chalkboards and chalk. The police will be stopping by later to pick up your VCR, computer, and cassette tape recorder.
    "No new technology, it ruins our business."

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  15. I doubt its a coincidence... by TerminalInsanity · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The RIAA represents big record labels such as Bertelsmann's BMG Entertainment, Vivendi's Universal Music and Time Warner's Warner Music. Time-Warner is the parent company of CNN.com.
    I wonder how much influence RIAA has on CNN... With other storys titled " Why suing college students for illegal music downloading is right " and " Why I've stopped sharing music ", im guessing alot.

    If im counted in the 'millions' statistic, they are wrong... i, and many people i know have stopped publicly sharing, and started sharing to people we download from and know :)

  16. On Reuters and the AP by Captain+McCrank · · Score: 5, Insightful
    These news services have people who are on staff that are paid to create content. My Aunt is actually a writer for the AP and I learned something very interesting a few months back that has totally improved my perspective on articles like this.

    Editors ask writers to create content on subjects that they think will be picked up by other news services. The union rules state that the writer retains the right to withold their name on a story if they feel the story is inaccurate or if they disagree with what they've been asked to write. Editors hate when writers do this because those in the industry know what a authorless article implies. This is why you will sometimes see stories from the AP or Reuters that do reference the author:

    Move Over Beauty Queens, Italy Seeks Miss Digital

    And others that don't:

    Dog Shoots Man

    So what does this mean to you, the critical consumer of news? If an article carries the author's name, it means they endorse it's content - they believe in the validity of it. If it does not, it means the writer was either forced to create content that they didn't agree with or believe was accurate or that the writer was up against a deadline and failed to provide content that they were proud of.

    The cnn article, interestingly, does not provide an author. Any thoughts on why? The question of how they know content was deleted is awfully vital to getting the point of this article across. It really doesn't seem to stand up to scrutiny.

  17. Good to see someone actually looked up the source by emkman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kudos to you for actually going to the NPD site and finding out the basis of their claims before bitching on /.
    And to answer your question:
    Hmm I wonder if people who know their computers are being monitored are more likely to delete their digital music files... Maybe that would affect the validity of this study, you think? :p

    Yes; this is called voluntary response bias in statistics. People with large collections of illegal files are much less likely to volunteer to have their PC watched, as you implied. Note from the official press release :Eighty percent of the consumers who deleted files had fewer than 50 files saved; just 10 percent had more than 200 files.
    I think most people will agree that 80% having less than 50 songs is not an accurate representation of the file-sharing population.

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