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Spamhaus Guru Steve Linford Profiled
BenLev writes "The New York Times has an article profiling Spamhaus Project director Steve Linford. The feature goes behind the scenes at Spamhaus, 'one of the leading groups that is trying to make the world safe from junk e-mail', showing that it operates from Linford's houseboat on the Thames near London, spammers don't like him, and his volunteer corps likens itself to the X-Men."
I like the idea of the do not spam registry that they mention in the article. But it seems like a real pipe dream considering how much trouble there has been getting the do-not-call registry up and running.
Also, most telemarketing is done from in-country because of LD charges. Not so with e-mail. It's pretty hard to enforce US laws on a Taiwan spamhaus.
Ah well, every little voice against spam warms me a little at least.
I could care less, but not without a lobotomy
What happened to that proposal to add records (as comments, so the DNS protocol wasn't broken) to the DNS saying that a domain was authoratative for the envelope 'From ' header ? That sounded like a good idea, so long as the MTA's took it up...
Simon
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My particular server (a dedicated box) was innocent, but my hosting facility had spammers on other dedicated boxes.
Isn't blocking a /20 like swatting flys with a hand grenade?
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1) That's 3 clicks per email * the rate at which you gets spams. It adds up after a while
2) There's always the chance of a type 2 error - you could lose (either through accidental blocking or unintetional deleteing) an important email.
3) You pay for the bandwidth that they waste, in the long run. They are simply shifting the price of getting in touch with you from themselves to you. In effect, they are calling you on your dime.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
I really believe that we currently have all (well mostly) the laws we need to stop spammers, if only they were enforced. Even if SPAM is still not illegal in most places. What most spammers do is illegal. Instead of fining a spammer for sending Nigerian scams, jail him for fraud. Instead of fining a viagra spammer, jail him for cracking in other people's computers in order to send the spam. Much more effective I think. Why go for "minor" civil offense when the spammer is actually guity of a criminal offense. I know not all spammers commit crimes, many do.
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You get email from someone pretending to be Spamhaus in order to discredit them.
It still only qualifies as an annoyance because I seldom do anything important over email. But the reason I don't do anything important over email is because I know spam makes it unreliable. Bit of a Catch 22 there. Seems like the reason spam is an annoyance and not a serious issue is that it's increasing fairly gradually. If there were this much spam back in '95, there'd be riots. (Among the nerds, which I guess means lots of really heated USENET posts about how Captain Kirk is so much better than Captain Picard.)
I don't know about everyone else but lately I've been trying to find work and I have come across atleast 4 opportunities to make 1.5 times my normal rate if I do some development related to spam. Each time I've interviewed I've told the employer that spam was a bad way to go and that it'd be illegal soon etc... but it seems like they've all had past experiences where spam has been highly profitable.
-- D3X
My latest endeavour... truly free porn www.NeoX3.com 5 mins movies supported by only a 15 sec commercial. No-popups or membership or catches.
I'm surprised no-one has thought through the logical conclusions of where we're going with spam.
... since there is nothing serious happening against any of these directions, the conclusion seems unavoidable. What I'd like to say is that
Spam filters work only for those able to configure them. For the vast majority of Internet users, they are just a dream.
Spam blacklists are unsustainable in a world where most net connections come across DHCP, and most spam is/will be sent from owned home computers.
Spam merchants will continue to harness the 'dark side of the force', paying crackes and virus writers to create the networks of owned machines they need to operate from...
the Net will split into two halves, an "infected" and a "clean" part, and every single transaction from the infected part will be treated with scrutiny and suspicion.
But this is impossible too.
Conclusion: the purity of the net is a thing of the past. We will come to understand that traffic is bad until demonstrated good. Emails will be 99.999% junk, virus, and trojan, and the art will come not from filtering out this junk but from detecting the signal within the noise.
Clearly, whitelists are part of the solution but they are limited since you can't form a network of whitelists, it's a one-to-one solution that does not scale.
I see only one solution that is scalable. Data clearing houses. You register with me, I'll vouch for all your data, and pass it on to those who need it, along with my signature. A trust network, if you like.
Data clearing houses will rate each other, creating a system of moderation in which data is never guaranteed good, but at least you get a measurable index of confidence.
Ceci n'est pas une signature
Try looking up Joe Job.
Why?
Our university had two install 2 new mailservers just to be able to run all incoming mail through spamassassin. Do you think the spammers paid for that "small annoyance"?
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I quite agree that Yahoo! has a great system to filter out spam to the Bulk Mail folder. I've almost never had a spam mail delivered to my Yahoo! Inbox.
Using custom filters in Yahoo! hampers the spam filtering mechanism and spam does manage to elude the Bulk Mail folder and ends up in some other folder.
Attachments will not cause a mail to be filtered out. In your case, probably the person you sent the image used the whitelist feature in Hotmail and your mail id wasn't in it. Or perhaps a custom filter caused your mail (with attachment) to be delivered to the Junk Mail folder.
Spam filters, firewalls, pop-up blockers are not perfect. They cannot ever claim to be (unless of course you have tiny little people inside your computer filtering out spam or pop-ups). They work by casting their nets wide. We have to grant them some leeway. Always check before clearing your Junk/Bulk mail folders so that you don't miss some important mail that might have got caught in the net! And be regular in cleaning your junk/bulk mail folders or you'll have a huge list of mails to scan before you're sure that none of your regular mail gets deleted alongwith the spam.
Also, note that you do not have to query directly against the DNSBL DNS server because it's just another host in the DNS heirarchy.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
0.01 $ to get on my whitelist.
:)
Which spammer has the energy ?
If you really want to mail me, you probably have the energy and the money, or if you really want I could pay you back
SPF. Several proposals have been rolled up in this, under ASRG, including SPF, RMX, DMP, and related proprosals.
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
> I think spam is not that big of a deal. It's just a small annoyance
:-)
> that can be deleted in less than 3 clicks.
I run my own server, and mailhost for a number of friends and family.
In total, the server receives approx 10,000 spams a day which is not at all reasonable.
Secondly, because of 'porn spam' my young niece can't have her own email address.
Thirdly, lots of spam in a mailbox can sometimes make you miss important emails if you just delete them quickly.
Finally, no-clicks at all... GUI mailers are too slow
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I doubt that any progress will be made in fighting spam until Microsoft/Apple include authentication options in their default mail applications.
Unfortunately, authentication is unlikely to do much to stop spam unless people use it with a personal whitelist of permitted senders. It is currently straightforward to track a spam email (SpamCop can do this if you paste the email in with full header information) but nowadays it typically comes from a cable/DSL user whose machine has been hijacked.
Break the Internet? Something tells me that you don't know very well what you're talking about. Spamhaus (or ORDB or any other black list service) cannot block anything if you (or your ISP) don't want anything blocked.
It's the email server's administrator choice to use such a blacklist or not. In other words: if you're running an email server, you can choose whether you want to block these IPs or not.
You could argue that you're a customer of an ISP that's using Spamhaus or ORDB to block spam and you cannot do anything about that. And I would agree with you on that: you should have the choice to use the blacklists on your email account(s) or not. But that, from the system administrator's point of view, is not a simple task, as of now.
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You're an idiot. I get 6 or 7 *hundred* spams a day and 1 or 2 hams. If I was deleting this stuff manually, it would take hours a day. I cannot recommend ASSP strongly enough; http://assp.sourceforge.net
The problem isn't so much the spammers, it's the people buying from them.
If people didn't buy the spammers wouldn't have a market and would go away.
The issue is to educate the general internet populus that are are merely encouring the spam by purchasing from the advertisers.
Well start thinking about things anonymous phonecalls are used for: tips to the police, tips to newspapers, situations where your personal e-mail is irrelevant because you send the mail on behalf of some organisation.
Think too about how many people have their phonenumber shielded so that no one can see it.
And last but not least: posting this as an Anonymous Coward doesn't add to your credibility on this subject;-)
...they wouldn't bother checking against the "do not spam" list. Spammers are, by nature, sociopaths with absolutely no regard for the law. Further, they tend to define "spamming" as anything other than that which they do.
The only sure-fire solution to the spam problem is brutally and publically torturing spammers to death.
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In an unrelated rant, my username is a normal English word and my domain is a popular email domain. I get five or ten spams a week. The solution? Completely fake information when I sign up for things. The New York Times knows me as Pablo Rodriguez from River Forest, Illinois. My email for them is hotsexy69696969696969@hotmail.com. I suggest you all do the same.
HI, MY NAME IS ISAAC.