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iTunes Music Store - 'Coolest Invention of 2003'

Pingsmoth writes "Time Magazine has just named the iTunes Music Store as their Top Coolest Invention of 2003. Also among this year's favorites are 'fish-skin bikinis, a new love drug, the car that parks itself, and the invisible man'."

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  1. Invention ? by mirko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Making some digital media available online is not new.
    I remember having the possibility to purchase media online long before this.
    Now, if, of course, having these integrated in iTunes is cool, I somehow doubt it is that "cutting edge" (even though I am a Mac enthusiast and I love OSX).

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    1. Re:Invention ? by TheDredd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The way the store is presented, easy and powerfull is the invention they are talking about; Making it easy to use for everybody

    2. Re:Invention ? by LordLucless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It may not be new, but iTunes was the first one that worked. Say what you will about originality, in the end, it's not worth a hoot if nobody uses your product.

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    3. Re:Invention ? by TheDredd · · Score: 2

      So they invented an easy-to-use store? Great!?!
      Yeah, that sounds almost as stupid as an easy to use computer

    4. Re:Invention ? by ncc74656 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Who exactly is everybody. I run Linux and I can't use this store.

      There's a bunch of stuff you can't run. There's a bunch of stuff you can. Deal with it.

      I also heard the windows client sucked pretty much breaking other programs and what not.

      You heard incorrectly...no breakage here, at least.

      It isn't exactly "windows native looking" either.

      That much is true...unfortunately, it's also true about Winamp, Windows Media Player, and most other such programs. Why they all have their own non-native interfaces and widgets is anybody's guess.

      It's also only works with Ipod.

      Now we're back to falsehoods...while the downloaded files only play in an iPod at this time, converting them to other formats is trivial.

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    5. Re:Invention ? by danila · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It may not be new, but iTunes was the first one that worked. Say what you will about originality, in the end, it's not worth a hoot if nobody uses your product.

      Is the list called "Coolest Consumer Products of 2003"? I though it was called "Coolest Inventions" and if so, iTunes hardly qualifies, because it is not one. It might be a cool innovative product, but it is not an invention.

      Who do you think invented the radio? It was Popov, not Clear Channel, even though radio was not really used that much in 19th century and so does not qualify according to your definition.

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  2. Hardly an Invention by locarecords.com · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ..

    Much as I think Apple have created an amazing proof of concept in the Apple Music Store I am not convinced it qualifies as an invention.. Downloading music off the internet is not new and paying for it is not new either... Now if they radically opened up the distribution to bypass the majors... now that would be rather revolutionary... but we'll have to see how far they take it..

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    1. Re:Hardly an Invention by Talez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Much as I think Apple have created an amazing proof of concept in the Apple Music Store I am not convinced it qualifies as an invention.. Downloading music off the internet is not new and paying for it is not new either...

      It's not that they did it. It's that they did it RIGHT. It's an elegant solution which people actually enjoy throwing money at.

      Now if they radically opened up the distribution to bypass the majors... now that would be rather revolutionary... but we'll have to see how far they take it..

      Hello, we're Apple and we want to sell your music

    2. Re:Hardly an Invention by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Insightful
      -No DRM. MP3
      -Try before you buy
      -Artists get 50% of the purchase price, artists keep the rights to their music.
      -No RIAA connections.
      -No inventory.

      One unknown record label that seems to be a refuge for bands that aren't good enough for the big time isn't gonna cut it. Imagine a grocery store that only carried generic house-brand items. Wouldn't be very popular or successful, would it.

      iTMS is successful because they've made the proper deals with the right product sources, much like any other successful retailer has to do.

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    3. Re:Hardly an Invention by Ubergrendle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I challenge the argument that they 'did it right'.

      1. Its hardware dependent.
      2. Until recently it was Mac OS dependent too.
      3. Terms of licensing are high with the music labels...recent articles suggest iMusic is a loss-run enterprise intended to drive iPod sales (see #1).

      I've seen nothing compelling about their 'invention'...I've no reason to go and purchase an iPod or iMusic. (www.magnatune.com is closer to what i'm looking for!)

      At $1/song locked into a propietary platform, I may as well stick to CDs. Future Shop in Canada has dropped prices 30-40% in recent weeks to try and drive up sales. $10 canadian per CD will bring me BACK to the CD format and BACK to supporting the 'labels, unfortunately.

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    4. Re:Hardly an Invention by EinarH · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I have not tried Magnatunes so I don't know about the quality of the music.
      But i doubt that its worse than a lot of the crap that the major record companies throws out.
      Imagine a grocery store that only carried generic house-brand items. Wouldn't be very popular or successful, would it.
      A large and significant percentage of Wal-Bart brands are in-house or previously unknown brands.
      Lidl, the largest grocery chain in Germany carries only their own brands.

      90 % of the sucsessful artists on the market producees music that is commodity. What seperates those artists from the less succsessful is marketing. For those that don't succumb to the marketing hype Magnatuse is probably just as good. And it's cheaper.

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    5. Re:Hardly an Invention by Talez · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And being good has absolutely nothing to do with whether they're an independent who hasn't "sold out" to "the man".

      Case in point: 90% of the shit that used to be on mp3.com.

    6. Re:Hardly an Invention by JayAndSilentBob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine a grocery store that only carried generic house-brand items. Wouldn't be very popular or successful, would it.

      You mean Aldi? There's never anybody in there.....

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    7. Re:Hardly an Invention by jtdubs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So...

      > 1. It's hardware dependant.

      If by that you mean that it runs on hardware, then yes. It is dependent on you having a computer. It supports Windows on any supported platform. AMD or Intel. It supports any Mac capable of running OS X. Meaning, G3, G4 or G5.

      If you mean iPod dependent then you are full of crap. Perhaps you haven't actually tried it?

      > 2. Until recently it was Mac OS dependent too.

      This is my favorite complaint. "They did it wrong cause it USED TO have a problem." Jesus, son.

      > 3. Terms of licensing are high with the music
      > labels...recent articles suggest iMusic is a
      > loss-run enterprise intended to drive iPod sales
      > (see #1).

      And your final complaint is based on an unfounded rumor...

      Congratulations! You win!

      Justin Dubs

    8. Re:Hardly an Invention by Trurl's+Machine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Much as I think Apple have created an amazing proof of concept in the Apple Music Store I am not convinced it qualifies as an invention..

      Then - in your opinion - does the work made on steam engine by James Watt qualifies as an invention? He had many predecessors, too - to begin with, there was Heron of Alexandria in the ancient times, there was Thomas Newcomen and various other constructors in the XVIIth and XVIII century. However, it was Watt who designed an universal engine that eventually everyone wanted to use and that was an inspiration for the modern combustion engine. You seem to assume that you have to be the author of the original idea to be called "inventor". It is simply not true. The greates inventors of our times (Watt, Marconi, Daimler & Benz, Aitken, The Wright Bros) were literally standing on the shoulders of giants, i.e. developing ideas of their predecessors.

    9. Re:Hardly an Invention by E-Rock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Honest question since I haven't been to iTunes:
      What portable MP3/Music player will the ACC format play on other than the iPod?

    10. Re:Hardly an Invention by Queer+Boy · · Score: 2, Informative

      This one, these two, this one (and probably most of Creative's new portable adio).

      I'm sure there's a lot more. AAC is an open format, it's based on MPEG4 and the licensing fees are nothing like WMA.

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  3. What, not the Segway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I mean, the amount of technology that went into that thing rivals the scientific output of the smaller industrialized nations. Gyros that keep you from tipping over, flywheels that recharge the battery when slowing down, even the polymers they make the thing out of are fascinating.

    iTunes integrates a music store with a music player. Ooh. Maybe I'm missing something because I'm only using it on Windows, but it doesn't exactly wow me the way I expected the 'Coolest Invention of 2003' to.

    Frankly, I'm even disappointed with the Segway. They shouldn't be handing out this invention to anything that doesn't have wings at this point.

    1. Re:What, not the Segway? by Colonel+Cholling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think all the Segway proves is that throwing lots of cutting-edge technology at something does not guarantee its success. Nobody wants to pay the price of a good used car for an electric scooter, no matter how hard it is to tip over. You can buy a bike for a whole lot less.

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    2. Re:What, not the Segway? by localghost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Notice how it says "Coolest Invention of 2003." The Segway was released in 2001.

    3. Re:What, not the Segway? by dema · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I can say I pretty much agree that the coolest invention of 2003 should be something to "wow" a person. But I'd just like to point out that iTunes itself did not recieve the award, but iTMS did. So I don't think Time saw it as an "integration" as much as they did an alternative to a rising music piracy problem, and the first of it's kind (I think, were there others?).

  4. iTunes? by heironymouscoward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This counts as an "invention"?

    Look, the absolutely coolest invention of 2003 is the USB wristwatch. My watch holds all the essential stuff I used to keep on a diskette. Nothing helps bonding like showing people that your watch can store porn. Or a PowerPoint presentation. Or your latest baby photos. Whatever they need: my watch has it.

    But iTunes? I can't carry it on my wrist.

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    1. Re:iTunes? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and wash your hands once with it on and it's toast.

      USB watch = cool if it can stand the tortures of living on a human... most regular watches cant.

      call me when they make a bluetooth one that is waterproof and shock proof.

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  5. Spot the connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Much as I like iTunes... spot the AOL Time Warner and iTunes connection.

  6. Of the top ten listed... by switched4OSX · · Score: 3, Funny

    my favorite would have to be the snorkel fm radio. Of course, the wet babe in the bikini may be influencing my opinion.

  7. Still! by McDutchie · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:
    When Steve Jobs holds forth in public, it's usually to a mob of fawning Apple-ites--the true believers who still develop software and accessories for Apple products. (emphasis mine)
    I got to admit, there is something cool about being an endangered species facing imminent extinction*. You get so much admiring and attention, you get to be on lots of TV documentaries and in lots of newspaper articles, and everyone wants to be like you because you're beautiful. :-p

    * Especially if you've been facing imminent extinction for some 20-odd years.

  8. No Drooping or Sagging when Wet! by Newt-dog · · Score: 2, Troll
    I just had to check out the Fish Skin Bikini's at Skini.com

    Newt-dog

    1. Re:No Drooping or Sagging when Wet! by cscx · · Score: 4, Funny

      Its only fault seems to be that it doesn't come in sizes for women that actually eat solid food.

  9. Invention? by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A pocket nuclear fusion reactor is an invention, a biplane made out of recycled cheese is an invention, a new kind of breaking system for cars is an invention.

    iTunes is a store. It happens to be on the internet. That's not an invention, no matter how well executed it is.

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    1. Re:Invention? by nacturation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      iTunes is a store. It happens to be on the internet. That's not an invention, no matter how well executed it is.

      Apple is a company which advertises. It happens to advertise in Time magazine. I'll bet if I spent as much advertising in Time as Apple does, I too could win product of the year for my Ronco Turnip Twaddler 2003 Special Edition!

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    2. Re:Invention? by olafo · · Score: 2, Informative

      No such thing as software inventions, right? No reason to contact the patent office right? Logarithms were not invented, right? YOU'RE WRONG (as well as Slashdot) Take a look at the definition of invention: \In*ven"tion\, n. [L. inventio: cf. F. invention. See Invent.] 1. The act of finding out or inventing; contrivance or construction of that which has not before existed; as, the invention of logarithms; the invention of the art of printing.

    3. Re:Invention? by olafo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's a bit more regarding ITunes and patents. Even "double click" is considered an invention and was issued a U.S. patent. It doesn't matter if you don't agree. One of the reasons for computers rapid growth is that no one had a patent on them as the court ruled Dr. Atanasoff was clearly the inventor and he claimed no patent.

  10. Whew... by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Must have slept in longer this morning then I thought. Good thing 2003 is over. Those last 2 months went buy really quickly. Nothing significant must have been invented...

  11. Fuck Yeah by cscx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    iTunes for Windows is my official new favorite MP3 player.

    I am proceeding to rip all my 500+ CDs into iTunes. With one click.

    Winamp has served me well for many, years, but it lacks the snazzy playlist/library editor, and the ability to transfer music from CD, to the hard drive, tag it, and add it to my playlist at the click of a button. Literally.

    Sure, it's a little slow, but who cares. Its functionality is unmatched. The music store is snazzy, too.

    Good move, Apple, with iTunes for Windows. You may see a future Mac / iPod customer soon...

    1. Re:Fuck Yeah by rufo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, you don't even have to click a mouse. You can set iTunes to rip a CD upon insertion, and eject when finished. The only time you would have to click is if iTunes finds multiple matches from the CDDB library, but that doesn't happen very often.

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    2. Re:Fuck Yeah by bojan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      now you understand how I think. I used to use unix for 10 years, windows for even longer, and now I have nothing but Macs in my house, I feel like I have it all in one OS now.

      may not be overclocked, water cooled, but y'know what? I actually use my computer now, isntead of spending my time "modding" it and "upgrading" it, and all that stuff....

      heh... whatever.. right.. but iTunes is cool.

    3. Re:Fuck Yeah by pHDNgell · · Score: 2, Redundant

      Well, it's no fair that you have voice recognition or something on your computer so you can start the application without clicking.

      It might be different in the Windows version, but on the Mac, I can place an audio CD in my slot loading drive, and it will automatically rip with my settings and spit the CD back out. It makes the process about as easy as it can be without creating a robot to change the CDs.

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    4. Re:Fuck Yeah by mbbac · · Score: 2, Informative
      Well, it's no fair that you have voice recognition or something on your computer so you can start the application without clicking.
      I guess its true that the Macintosh's voice recognition capabilities are far better than Windows'. But, that isn't what I was referring to. You can setup iTunes to rip & eject a CD when it is inserted. You can also setup iTunes to start when a CD is inserted. Therefore, all you need to do to rip a CD and have it ejected after it's done is to insert a CD. Zero clicks.
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  12. A New Love Drug? by whig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, but something that gives you a longer erection is hardly the successor to MDMA.

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  13. Debian dselect iTunes implementation by Debian+Troll's+Best · · Score: 3, Funny
    Normally I'm a pretty hardcore Debian user, but at my current contract job at a fairly major publishing house, I've been dealing with quite a lot of Mac systems. While OS X still has a ways to go before I would consider replacing my trusty Debian desktop, things like iTunes Music Store (iTMS) really make the switch worth considering. But if only iTMS could come to Debian!!!

    While writing a little multithreaded print workflow app in AppleScript for the client, I struck upon an idea: what if I could expose the functions of iTunes using AppleScript in a client/server type arrangement, and then make those functions accessible across the network to a Debian system running a modified dselect iTunes browser? AppleScript is pretty powerful, as any seasoned Mac user will attest, so it was quick work to create a handy little mutithreaded fully re-entrant AppleScript based server for the core iTunes functions (load song, play song, browse playlist, buy song etc).

    The next part was to patch dselect on the Linux side so it could connect to my AppleScript server/wrapper on the Mac. I'd previously extended dselect with a Scheme-scriptable plugin, so it only took me a day or two to modify dselect with some Scheme macros so that it emulated to look and feel of iTunes (using ASCII art of course!!), but accessing the actual iTMS functions though the network exposed AppleScript..errr..script.

    It worked a treat!! It is now a simple matter of running dselect on my Debian box to browse the iTMS, as long as the Mac over in the corner running the AppleScript wrapper is turned on of course. I have actually implemented a direct USB->USB cross over connection to get around bottlenecking problems with our Ethernet so I don't have to put up with skipping in iTMS MP3 playback. Now it works great!!!

    The final step will be to patch apt-get with iTMS interface functionality...then buying my favorite music legally will only be an apt-get install Justin-Timberlake away!

    Which is nice.

  14. Fish Murdering Bastard! by illuminata · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stop supporting the murder of thousands of helpless fish! Don't you understand that millions of fish are being senselessly killed and raped of their skin just to support a fashion trend? How would you like it if somebody wore your skin?

    I wish that you could feel the suffering that our friends in the ocean are feeling every time their skin is being harvested for pure capitalist profit. It tears my soul apart when I hear someone advocating such violent acts against creatures that have brains twice as complex than our own!

    I'm going to go listen to some emo and cry about what you said. I hope you're happy, killing fish and sending people like me into deep, dark, depressive states.

    Go to Hell,
    Your Friendly PETA Activist

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  15. Microsoft Server 2003... by MosesJones · · Score: 4, Funny


    Surely that is the coolest thing in the world, I've seen the adverts, its lets me do more with less, I can consolidate all my domains down to just 4. AND I can then slide.

    Microsoft Server 2003 is the coolest invention of the year, and MacDonalds are a healthy food option.

    Wha' da' ya mean dominated by advertising ? Me and Mary Beth were only on Jerry Springer twice.

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  16. Re:Finally, UNCOMPRESSED online music! by Demolition · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ethics:
    iTunes - Apple takes it's (big) cut and then the Artist's (frequently RIAA affiliated) label takes most of the rest.
    Magnatune - The artist gets 50%!!!
    Again, no contest. Instead of feeling guilty about fueling a powermad monster when you buy music you can feel good about supporting the people who actually made it!


    Actually, according to Steve Jobs, Apple doesn't make any profit from the iTMS. Their cut of the proceeds barely covers their costs, apparently, while the RIAA takes the lion's share (leaving the artist with a pittance, of course).

    (This info came from Jobs' recent financial results conference call (of which the iTMS data can be found in this CD Freaks new item (with a link to the original story from The Register.))

    Other than that, I mostly agree with the points that you raised in your post.

    D.

  17. A fish-skin bikini? I don't think so by MissTuxie · · Score: 2, Funny

    Salmon skin bikini? I'd rather go naked to the beach. On a second thought, I already do. And have salmon-skin sushi on the beach. Isn't that a better combination? :)

  18. Re:Apple records? by JulianOolian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    he Fab Four's label, and - according to legend - the appleinspiration for the name Jobs and Woz gave their kit computer

    I heard the apple of Apple came from the story of Alan Turing's suicide.

  19. Greed by Talisman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article:

    "At most, Jobs is left with a dime per track, so even $500 million in annual sales would add up to a paltry $50 million profit. Why even bother?"

    Excuse me? A paltry $50 MILLION dollar profit?!?

    'Paltry' and '$50 million dollar profit' don't belong in the same sentence.

    This mentality is what's screwing the entire downloadable music process. It's not about whether it's profitable, it's about whether it's profitable enough.

    Just for them saying that, I'm going to download some MP3s tonight. WTF...

    Tal

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    1. Re:Greed by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Good point, we are talking here about a 10% profit margin. Something most businesses would consider to be ample. This also says how dumb analysts are for considering 10% profit margins to be nothing and hyping up people who claim bigger, and less reliable, numbers.

      Put it this way, iTunes hasn't bumped up the Apple Share price in any way like the SCO price hike, one has real profits... the other a near suicidal legal case.

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    2. Re:Greed by jwachter · · Score: 2, Interesting
      'Paltry' and '$50 million dollar profit' don't belong in the same sentence. This mentality is what's screwing the entire downloadable music process. It's not about whether it's profitable, it's about whether it's profitable enough. Just for them saying that, I'm going to download some MP3s tonight. WTF...
      If you're being sarcastic (I suppose you are), you clearly have no understanding of corporate finance.

      Apple, like any corporation, is legally responsible to its shareholders (mostly private US citizens) to make as much money possible. To the extent that that they are deciding whether to invest $100m in some new business project (building an online music store, porting OSX to windows, selling flat panel TVs), they choose amongst those projects by determining which will yeild the highest return on their investment. Initiating an investment that is merely "somewhat" profitable can be an enormous mistake for ANY corporation if it means foregoing an investment that could be hugely profitable.

    3. Re:Greed by Talisman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wasn't being sarcastic, but the comment wasn't directed solely at Apple. I understand the principle of maximizing profit on investment, but what I'm saying is that a business model with a 10% profit margin and the volume to generate $50MN in profit should not be considered a failure, especially when the resources needed to accomodate 100,000 users to 1,000,000 to 10,000,000 are a (small) fractional increase. Increasing bandwidth/servers is a relatively easy and low-cost expansion. Such a business can grow painlessly if the foundation is built correctly.

      Downloadable music, in and of itself, is demonstrably profitable. That the records companies are digging in their heels against the technology has to do with greed, even if it is greed in the name of shareholders.

      Perhaps piracy needs to become so widespread that the traditional distribution model becomes unprofitable, or simply less profitable than legal downloads, a la iTunes.

      Tal

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    4. Re:Greed by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This mentality is what's screwing the entire downloadable music process. It's not about whether it's profitable, it's about whether it's profitable enough.

      But in the case of Apple, the issue is whether the return on investment is a good business decision. If they spent $50M building the store and they're going to make $50M from it, it's not a profitable venture. Sure there are yearly residuals, but what if they put that $50M into the newest iApp, or into getting the G5 into a laptop.

      But, the whole question is a red herring; on the last analysts' conference call, Steve Jobs stated that iTMS is a loss-leader to sell iPods. He questions why anybody who doesn't sell hardware is in the business:
      "Most of the money goes to the music companies. We are the largest by far" .... "We would like to break even/make a little bit of money but it's not a money maker. That's why when I look at Roxio with Napster and MusicMatch, These guys can never make money. They've started money losing businesses and I'm perplexed as to why." ... "They don't make iPods, so they don't have a related business where they do..."
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  20. Smart Playlists.. by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Informative

    Smart Playlists is what did it for me. Being able to categorize my music by how much I listen to it and my favorite artists instead of having to add each and every song by hand is a great time saver. Maybe the dudes over at nullsoft can borrow this idea...

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  21. It just works! by camperslo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can see people having trouble with Time's use of the word "invention". It's their language, not Apple's. So many have used patents in an abusive way, it's easy to get into a defensive posture on even hearing the word invention. In the context of the Time article, "creative consumer offering" would better fit what they are talking about.
    A product is more than a list of features. It's also about philosophy. Fairness, paying attention to the overall experience, and caring about behind the scenes detail is all part of this. Most consumers aren't likely to know that Apple is paying for the high-quality Fraunhofer IIS MP3 codec to let them use it for free in iTunes. Don't expeect to see things like that from MS/Napster. As any Linux user can tell you, beauty is more than skin deep.

  22. Invention/Idea Forum on SlipHead.com by Telluride · · Score: 2, Informative

    SlipHead.com is a cool new site following in this trend if any of you are interested. It's basically a free forum for the exchange of ideas with a methodology similar to open-source software. Take a minute to check it out!

  23. Global Community, Restricted Usage? by citizenc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's so cool that anybody who doesn't live in the United States can't use it! THAT'S SO FREAKING COOL, ISN'T IT!? ARRGH!!

    [Breathes]

    Seriously though. One would have thought that, when releasing a product to a world-wide audience, the software would be usuable by said audience. As it stands, when things like this happen, it just demonstrates that the United States still thinks that it's the center of the Universe. Grrr.

    1. Re:Global Community, Restricted Usage? by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 2

      As it stands, when things like this happen, it just demonstrates that the United States still thinks that it's the center of the Universe.

      Err, wow. Talk about pent-up aggression. It's not that Apple doesn't give a sh#$ about the rest of the world (they do sell hardware and software outside of the US, you know), nor is it the USA's fault per se (although I agree, much of what we do has a center-of-the-world attitude to it). I think the real issue here is that the RIAA simply does not want to deal with the "other" countries, currencies, laws, etc. at this point. Apple has to negotiate with the RIAA, and so their hands are tied.

      I don't like the all-too-common American arrogance and exclusionist ways anymore than you do, but try to keep perspective on things like this. It's just like the internet sales tax thing - there's so many variables and differing jurisdictions to take into account, you can't just make a blanket statement about it.

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  24. Fishy Boobies? by gbulmash · · Score: 3, Funny
    The salmon leather thing is neat. And if you visit the manufacturer's designs page, you get to see the bikini model topless twice.

    Ah, those shameless Europeans. :-)

    And now, with fish-leather thongs, I can see millions of women saying "no, honestly honey, the smell's from my bikini."

  25. Re...Restricted Usage? Real World Contracts by borkus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, record contracts are geographically specific. Contractually, a record label gets the rights to sell recordings on behalf an artist in one specific country or group of countries. For example, the rapper Dizzee Rascal is on XL Records in the UK, but will be on Matador in the US. Since labels are responsible for promoting and manufacturing records, they usually limit themselves to a certain region. It makes sense in terms of physical recordings being sold through shops. I have to agree that such a system doesn't make sense online. However, you run into the same issues with books and electronics as well.

    This doesn't make the U.S. the hub for all music. In fact, there is a considerable amount of international music that never makes it to the States. There are even bands from Canada that don't make it to the U.S.

  26. At most != at the least by mactari · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I believe we might be overlooking what the phrase "at most" means. Apple's probably outlaid millions in R&D, hosting, advertising, etc to make -- at most -- $50 million annually. At the least, Apple might not even be making the dimes mentioned above. The return on investment is perhaps not the best as far as Apple's stockholders are concerned, as another post mentions -- if taken at face value.

    That's why iPod sales are so important. When increased iPod sales, or even sustained iPod sales to Windows users in the face of new competition, and only then, is "WinTunes" a good idea and produces a better ROI than buying US Treasury bonds.

    Folks, Apple's a big corporation. A fifty million dollar gain annually is, whether we like it or not comparing it to the scale of dough in our bank accounts/wallets, not horribly big money.

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  27. Re:it's business by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If you had some money, would you invest it at a 10% return or a 20% return?

    A meaningless question in the real world. You need to look at the downside, or the overall risk. For example, what's the odds of either investment resulting in a -100% result? Most likely the 20% potential return is riskier. There's also questions of liquidity.

    There's also the concepts of building a brand image and getting in early to grow a market which is still pretty nascent. *That's* how a CEO serves his long term shareholders properly. The "gimme billion percent profit margin now!" daytrader "I've owned this stock for two hours and I haven't doubled my money yet!" types can go get bent. It's their influence that has led to so many BS products and ripoffs and overpriced junk, especially in the tech market.

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  28. iTunes != iPod (once again) by repetty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "It's a disarmingly simple concept: sell songs in digital format for less than a buck and let buyers play them whenever and wherever they like--as long as it's on an Apple iPod."

    Wrong, wrong, wrong. Again, wrong.

    You can tell the author of this article never actally used iTunes or the iTunes music store. The iPod is completely optional.

    I don't have an iPod and I've been using iTunes for years. I will probably never get an iPod. Still, I'm a daily user of iTunes.

    It was my fault for reading this silly article. I mean, this is Time magazine. What do they know about technology? Just enough to write some copy. The harm here is that it really short-sells iTunes AND the iTunes Music Store by harping on an optional component.

    --Richard

  29. Water Purifiers by heironymouscoward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Purifying water (one of the lauded inventions) is a cool thing, very relevant to billions around the world, but doing it by distillation is just a joke.

    There is a much simpler and just as effective way to purify water in tropical or desert countries: place it in a transparent plastic bottle in the sun for a day. The water heats to 80 degrees and after a few hours is totally sterilised. The mud and gunk settle to the bottom, and what's left is clean and drinkable.

    I spent a few days on this once, trying to improve the process of separating the gunk from the water: the principle was to extract the gunk from the bottle which could then be closed and carried some distance. My design requires a straw and a bit of clay. But even that's not worth doing: to solve the problem of drinkable water in most of Africa, all one would need is to ship a billion or so used PET bottles.

    Sigh. People like complex solutions to simple problems.

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    1. Re:Water Purifiers by heironymouscoward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The treatment is known as "sol-air" and depends on UV to create reactive oxygen molecules which kill the worst bacteria.

      Yes, it's a technique that has been tested in some of the worst African "shit holes", and produces drinkable water which may not be Evian, but is significantly safer than the alternatives (drinking untreated water).

      In most of Africa, electrical means are simply not an option. Sol-air, on the other hand, needs nothing except empty plastic bottles, sunlight (not even direct sunlight), and time. There is no reason why you couldn't build large-scale sol-air purifiers, only it hardly seems worthwhile when you can just as well lay a thousand bottles out on the ground.

      And as what is "obvious", I was born in Africa, grew up there, am married to a Congolese woman, and have spent much time in Congo, Nigeria, Uganda, Rwanda, Kenya, Angola, Burkina Faso, Togo, and a few other places that I thankfully forget. Since you asked.

      Here is one link on sol-air, there are others if you care to research this.

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  30. Invention? by DisKurzion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what this is saying is...

    If I build a mouse (click click, not squeak squeak) that just happens to be the most responsive, comfortable mouse on the market... Does that mean I invented the mouse?

    BMW makes very nice cars... Does that mean they invented "very nice cars"? No, of course not.

    Maybe if I had something truely original and revolutionary in the new design, I could claim to have invented that part of it. But just because you came up w/ a better version of what's already out.

    Nitpicking I know, but I get peeved when people say Edison invented the light bulb.

    Besides, I never considered Time to be a good source of judging ANYTHING. There's better stuff out there.

  31. Your complaint is misdirected by ianscot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    C'mon, you've read the other umpty-lumpty stories about iTMS; It's time to remember all those posts about how the licensing arrangements are what's keeping Apple from selling outside the US.

    You think Apple doesn't want to sell you stuff because of some center-of-the-universe conceit or other? They would gladly sell you anything you wanted, anything they could convince you you wanted, if their deals with the labels allowed it. They don't -- and this isn't different from any traditional music licensing in that way.

    The next company you run into that could make a bazillion dollars in a foreign market, but chooses not to because they're a bunch of arrogant Americans, that'll be a first. You post a story about that one then.

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  32. Greatest disappointment: the car that parks itself by dajak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The "car that parks itself" was the biggest disappointment of 2003 for me. I sometimes drive around for 40 minutes searching for a parking space near my house in Amsterdam. I would love to have a car that finds itself a space after I get home.

    Turns out it only manages the 2 second parallel parking routine. Now that helps. And it "senses kerbs": I wouldn't try this on the canalside parking spaces we have a lot of here. This system isn't even a good idea for tourist rental cars.

  33. Kneo24 vs Steve Jobs and RIAA not involved by nullard · · Score: 3, Informative

    using this to sell iPods isn't exactly the greatest idea, IMO

    I'd trust Steve Job's business sense over yours any day unless you've managed to start a company as successful as Apple and then managed to save it from the administrative blunders of the next few CEOs.

    The iPod is now Apple's highest margin product. If they sell $2000 of computer or $2000 of iPods, they make more money on the iPods. The iPod is the most popular portable mp3 player on the planet, so Apple must be doing something right with their sales strategies.

    The majority of your 99 cents goes to the RIAA. I highly doubt that the RIAA trickles any of that money down to the labels who will spread it out amongst their artists.

    The RIAA's cut is exactly $0.00. The money goes to the label, whose job it is to pay the artists. If an artist doesn't want to deal with a big label, they can always use CDBaby and put their music on the iTMS and get a very large cut of the profits.

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  34. iTunes does *NOT* require an iPod! by sakeneko · · Score: 2, Informative
    It's a disarmingly simple concept: sell songs in digital format for less than a buck and let buyers play them whenever and wherever they like?as long as it's on an Apple iPod.

    This isn't accurate. I installed Itunes a week ago on my Win2k laptop. I've downloaded about fifty songs (mostly old tunes I loved as a kid), and played them a lot. I don't own an iPod. I don't even own a Macintosh, although that will probably change when I buy my next laptop.

    Further, people who have CD burners can burn purchased songs from iTunes onto an Audio CD that will play in any CD player. I *think* the software limits you to making only ten CDs for each tune, but as far as I know that's the only limit.

    Apple apparently is using iTunes to sell iPods, but you definitely don't need an iPod to use and benefit from the iTunes service.

  35. Re:Jobs other companies.. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's Rip. Mix. Burn.

    not

    Rip. Mix. Burn. Distribute on a P2P Network.

    If the R/W/B campaign indicates piracy to you, that says more about you than it does Steve Jobs.

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  36. Bikinis? by Bitmanhome · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who cares about the gadgets, just show me the leather bikinis.

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  37. Re:Bah by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Informative
    Yes, very few players. Let's see: iTunes for MacOS, and iTunes for MS Windows, and the iPod. That's three players. Can you name a fourth? There are literally hundreds of music playing software packages and hardware devices, and I have great difficultly believing that 80% of them can play this music. Even 8% would be an impossible dream, forget 80%.

    Maybe I shouldn't have provided that figure for the lazy people, since you missed the point. I'll spell it out for you: iPods make up 80% of *all* of the hardware mp3-type players out there. You're right, there are hundreds of *kinds* of players, but guess what - only Joe Shmoe runs ShmoeMP3, only Bob Dobbs runs DobbAmp v2.0, etc. Factor out all those, and you've got iTunes for Mac, iTunes for Windows, WinAmp, WMPlayer, and Real Player. 2 of those software players play the AAC files that are used on the #1 dominant hardware player, the iPod... which was the point of my link. I don't give a crap about the software, we're talking hardware, particularly since the software is all free - it's the hardware, and the money you pay into it, that lock you into a solution.

    Here's another take - look at the Dell player. It can't play the open-standard MPEG-4 audio files that the #1 dominant player, with 80% of the market can play. Instead, it plays some sort of closed-standard proprietary WMA files (and the MP3 and WAV which both can play. No AAC, though).

    Again, yes, 80% of the hardware players out there can play AAC files. Give it a year or two, and 19% of the rest will be able to, too, with firmware updates. That's the nice part of open-standards like MPEG-4.

    Surely you're joking. A Bad Guy would just burn the CD once with iTunes. After that, iTunes' limitations and the concept of "playlists" would be irrelevant, because the information would be in an unprotected format. They could then make 10000 copies of the CD, or re-rip it and upload it to a p2p network. He's slightly inconvenienced by the burning step, but that's something he only goes through once per 10000 copies.

    Re-ripping takes time. Nonetheless, yes, once the "bad guy" has the Redbook CD, he can put it into a high-speed mass-duplicator and burn away. I fail to see how this reflects poorly on AAC or iTunes.

    Now look at what a Good Guy goes through: suppose he has a portable player that doesn't know how to play files downloaded from iTunes (as is the case for every single portable player on the market, with the exception one single product: the iPod).

    When you say it like that, you're putting horrible spin on your argument. "Every single portable player on the market, with the exception of one single product: the iPod". Come on now. As I've said, and as I showed in that link you never clicked, 80% of the marketshare belongs to iPod. So, let's just revise and continue:

    Now look at what a Good Guy goes through: suppose he has a portable player that doesn't know how to play files downloaded from iTunes (such as one of the many players that collectively make up 20% of the market, but individually only account for a few percent each).
    He uses iTunes to burn a CDR, then rips the CDR, then encodes it into whatever format his player knows how to play. He's using up a CDR every time he wants to do this, just so he can make one transcoded (with artifacts thanks to twice-lossy encoding) copy of the song. He'll probably do it in batches (10 or so songs per CDR) so he doesn't use CDRs so fast. You don't see this as inconvenient?

    Not terribly because...
    I guess it might not be too bad, if you can virtualize the burn-to-CD part to not actually have to use physical media. (I haven't checked to see if this is possible.) If you can "burn" to an ISO image file on hard disk, then it'll be merely stupid, and only slightly (but still gratuitously) inconvenient

    Yes, you can. Right within iTunes, in fact. There's a "convert to..." selector that converts the track and resaves it on the hard drive. No CDs necessary.

    -T

  38. Re:Mac users are FUCKING RETARDS by cjfoste · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just because some of you prefer to use lower quality software and non-intuitive buggy crap does't mean that us Mac users are retards. I know fellow mac users that could run circles in unix knowledge and/or programming knowledges and I also know mac users who know nothing beyond clicking their icon in the dock. Truth is..you can go any way you want in the Mac world, even if you just want something that 'just works'.