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IE To Block Pop-Ups

smd4985 writes "Next year MS will release a XP service pack that enables IE to block pop-up ads. Only a few years late. Maybe Mozilla.org/Opera should patent the technology to make it hard for Bill 'embrace and extend' Gates to kill those XCam ads...."

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  1. Patents good or bad? by AnnCoulterTroll · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Maybe Mozilla.org/Opera should patent the technology to make it hard for Bill 'embrace and extend' Gates to kill those XCam ads...."

    If Microsoft was patenting this technology, most /. users would call it evil, right? But, you claim Mozilla/Opera should patent it, and that would be good, right? Somehow I don't quite follow the logic here.

    1. Re:Patents good or bad? by Spleener12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, he's not saying that it would be good, just that it would be funny. Subtle difference there.

    2. Re:Patents good or bad? by darnok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If software patents are going to exist, then it makes sense to patent things you invent in order to protect yourself. If not, and your invention is worth anything significant, some other dweeb will come along, patent the thing you invented, then sue you for using it. That becomes a problem if said dweeb has deep pockets (e.g. Eolas, Microsoft, ...) and you don't.

      If you own patents on anything, there's nothing stopping you from licencing these patents for $0 to anyone else in the world. In that light, I'd rather Mozilla *did* try to patent the technology, then licence it out to the rest of the world free of charge. Better yet, get the patent and donate it to the EFF. That way I'd be reasonably sure popup blocking would remain free for anyone to implement/use however they saw fit.

      Of course, if software patents didn't exist, the whole discussion would be moot and the world would be a much happier place IMHO.

  2. Vote with money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I never have a problem shopping online while blocking pop-ups.

    Anyway, the companies that use shopping carts relying on pop-ups will just have to adapt or die. They need our money, right? Not the otehr way around.

    1. Re:Vote with money by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe that the proper reaction is: "About Fucking Time."

      Well, anyone with half a brain already set IE to just ask to allow scripting. On a pop up site you just toss it into the high security zone and block scripting.

      I use IE and haven't had a pop up ad in two years.

      And yes, I'm on windows 2000 and I don't crash every day - and haven't seen the blue screen of death for the entire time either.

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  3. Re:Sue? by radon28 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mozilla should sue Microsoft for theft of intellectual property.

    Right. Sue them for the idea they took from Opera.

  4. Re:Sue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would an intellectual property suit against Microsoft be OK? Just because Microsoft is loathesome doesn't make intellectual property suits right.

    Stand up for what you believe in and don't make exceptions.

  5. spyware by sporty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now it they could only stop spyware and crap that integrated with aps in nasty ways you can't remove.

    Bloody registry entries..

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  6. Bad news by Hi_2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is REALLY bad news for the rest of the world. This means that since most people will be able to block popups, the popup companies will resort to new methods of spawing, such as java windows, automaticaly executed ActiveX controls, and hijacking the browser window through their ads. While the middle wouldnt be a problem for anyone other than IE users, the other two could pose a serious threat to my abiltiy to use the web.

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    1. Re:Bad news by RatBastard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Insightful? How about "bloody obvious"?

      And why was the popup invented? Because we started ignoring banner ads. When they disciovered that banner ads didn't work they moved on to a new model. When popups stop working they'll move to a new model.

      How, exactly, is this even an issue? Sure, they'll come up with some nasty crap that takes over your broswer and most broswers will come up with a fix in very shiort order and MS will take three years to fix it.

      The technology war between the force-feed advertisers and the human race is nothing new. We'll figure out how to deal with it as it comes.

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  7. Re:Proxomitron? by Hanji · · Score: 4, Insightful

    *sigh*

    You people just don't get it, do you?? You could have a massive button on IE's toolbar labelled "DISABLE POPUPS," and I would bet half of IE's users would never think to click it. Unless a feature is turned on, by default, and works without thinking about it, most users won't use it.

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  8. Unnecessary... by SushiFugu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe Mozilla.org/Opera should patent the technology to make it hard for Bill 'embrace and extend' Gates to kill those XCam ads....

    I mean really, why is it necessary to make such an unproductive comment? The only thing that sort of comment accomplishes is making Open Source advocates look bad.

    1. Re:Unnecessary... by SoVi3t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. The problem, as I have stated before, is that open source advocates seem to want anybody who uses Windows, or even looks at it, to suffer. So what if Microsoft is putting in a feature that many of it's users have requested, into their product? OMG!! A COMPANY IS USING BUSINESS SENSE! THEY MUST BE THE DEVIL. Seriously, mod me down as flamebait all you want, but seriously, some of the comments thrown around lack any thought whatsoever.

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  9. Re:Prediction by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Soon pop-up ad companies will be hiring lawyers to attack Microsoft for blocking ads...

    No, the ad companies will just go on to more intrusive advertising, like full page click-through ads like on some sites. This is actually a bad thing since IE's idiot customer base was actually still generating some decent revenue for the popup spammers. Now once that dwindles off they'll need to find new and more annoying ways of advertising. Full screen Java commercials anyone? Yes, I know, shut off Java/Javascript/Flash/animation, etc. We can all go back to HTML 1.0 and Lynx right?

  10. This is about Google by easyfrag · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What's the point?

    I think the point is that MS sees that pop-up killing is quickly become a killer app. I don't think that they are worried about third party apps like Proxomitron because only a small subset of users can/will install them anyway. You could argue that this is being done partly to prevent a drift towards alternate browsers, especially Mozilla, but again only a relatively small audience have the knowhow or desire to change from IE.


    Personally I think this is more about reigning in the power of Google, specifically the Google Toolbar which can block popups. Joe User knows Google (they do not know Proxomitron) and the Toolbar is easy to install and it is very popular. I bet the Google Toolbar is installed all over Microsoft's campus.


    Google used to be just a search engine, now it does much more, including supplying software to Microsoft's end users. Have any of you checked out the new Google Deskbar. Think about it: this is an application which bypasses the browser.

    I think Microsoft is very afraid of Google and thats why they made an offer to buy them. They were turned down, so now watch what happens, on Longhorn there will already be a "MSN Search Deskbar" on bootup. This is an opening salvo in a Microsoft war on Google.

  11. Re:Wow!!! by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wish I could remember the link to this interview. But a while back I read an article dealing with the upcoming new version of IE for longhorn, and the person doing the interview asked if they were going to fix the problem with png transparency. The microsoft representive replied with "No comment". How hard can it possibly be to fix this issue that they're spending years on the new release and once again are likley to not finish png support. You'd think the bad press alone would be cause to fix it.

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  12. No! Now everyone will move to DHTML popups. by WoTG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This isn't going to solve anything, it'll just force pop-up vendors to move to DHTML for their popups. If you've never seen one in action, the once at tek-tips.com comes to mind. It's a pretty reasonable "please sign up" type popup that occurs once per visit, until you register and let the cookie do it's thing. Mozilla doesn't block this, and it might be a long time before it ever does. I doubt that it's as easy to recognize these as advertising algorithmically as it is with JavaScript popups.