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Windows Program Enables MP3 Downloading From iTunes

Joey Patterson writes "CNET reports that an independent software developer has released a program called MyTunes that allows people to share and download each other's MP3s on a network via iTunes." This is very much like a Mac program I saw a while back called itunesdl, which allowed one to download MP3s from friends who were sharing their playlists, exactly as MyTunes claims to do.

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  1. Won't work with music from Apple Store by da_anarchist · · Score: 5, Informative

    This will work just fine with MP3's, but won't work with Apple's DRM'ed files. For those, you need to actually authorize the computer so it can play the AAC file.

  2. Open Source, Email communication by Caharin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mr. Zeller,

    I recently was referred to your web page about your program MyTunes.
    Your program sounds most excellent, however I note that it is only
    available for windows. The internet community would most definitely be
    pleased if you were to make this project open source. Since you are
    charging nothing, you will only gain from this change.
    As open source software, it can be ported by other people, to mac OS X
    for example. Development would allow for greater stability, more
    features. Also, I believe sourceforge (http://sourceforge.net/) will
    host such a page for free.

    --his reply--

    Hi,

    I absolutely support open source software and have been active in the
    community (see www.zempt.com).

    The reason this version was not open source had more to do with the time it
    would have taken to choose the correct license as well as getting all the
    files together, registering for sourceforge, etc.

    I'll hopefully be able to make it open source soon.

    Best Regards,
    Bill Zeller

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    1. Re:Open Source, Email communication by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Informative
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    2. Re:Open Source, Email communication by mehgul · · Score: 2, Informative

      As open source software, it can be ported by other people, to mac OS X for example.

      How about using iCommune instead ? It's been on OS X for about 1 year, IIRC.

  3. Re:Misleading Headline by Caharin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rendezvous Proxy will take care of this for you. Use the two products together, problem solved. Easy as cake. I have used Rendezvous Proxy and it does work.

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  4. Re:Yeah right... by dq5+studios · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sounds like sarcasm to me.

  5. Re:Misleading Headline by single_user_mode · · Score: 4, Informative

    come on! nowhere does it mention the Internet in the headline! you assumed as such and when, god forbid, you had to actually read the article to find out what the post was about it was not as you anticipated... so, should /. start dragging the rest of the story into the headline just so you will not be disappointed?

    besides its a start, i am sure others will build on it, hey maybe you could contribute! & b4 you know it, the sharing of across LAN and Internet will be possible.

    whiner!

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  6. Re:Misleading Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    What would have been news would be if someone had figured out how to make unencrypted mp3s from iTunes music without the round trip to a burned CD.

    They did that on mac long ago, there was a program that dumped aac to aiff (although it doesn't work with the current QT anymore iirc).
    I don't remember /. even mentioning it.

  7. I like it by PortWineBoy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been using it this week and like it quite a bit. My company has about 8 iTunes users on my local subnet and I have been "borrowing" all week long. It isn't exactly feature rich and you must start playing a song to make it available for download. Otherwise, it's nifty!

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  8. You could do this before, even on windows or linux by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 4, Informative

    In addition to iTunesDL, mentioned in the article for mac, there's iSlurp which does basically the same thing in platform independent java. and has been out for six months.

    But now we have a bunch of hype and publicity.
    So the Record companies are probably going to give apple shit and force more limitations down our throats, just like when Apple had to limit iTunes to sharing on the local network only.

    Good job people.

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  9. 64 kbps by fupeg · · Score: 2, Informative

    All this thing does is copy the stream that is coming across Rendezvous. That stream is limited at 64 kbps. Even if you were streaming non-protected AAC files, this is a pretty power quality copy, similar to copying a CD to a tape.

  10. Re:Bad and good by Lightwarrior · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm certainly not. What constitutes sharing? Playing it for myself alone, but loud enough for the neighbors to hear? Playing it in the car when my friends are listening? Playing it for a room full of people? Playing it for an auditorium full of people?

    Is it my fault if some guy is making a recording without my knowledge?

    What if my computer gets hacked, and my legitimate digital backups are compromised? What if my backup CDs are stolen, but not my original copies? What if I still have the backups if the originals are stolen?

    Can I buy "used" CDs? What about purchasing a "mix" CD? A recording of a concert? Can I sell my "used" CDs? The copies if I destroy the originals? The digital copies if I destroy the originals?

    -lw

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  11. Re:whoop dee doo by reiggin · · Score: 2, Informative
    What you suggest doesn't allow encoded or DRM files to be copied or used. This myTunes (as well as the previous Mac software, no longer available) does is record the audio stream as it is played, effectively nullifying any DRM. Nifty, but it'll be gone in a few days.

    "Say hello to Apple Legal."

  12. Re:Misleading Headline by babbage · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to the guy's site, this isn't exactly the case:

    The CNET story on MyTunes described it as a "stream capturer". This is wrong. MyTunes allows you to obtain the exact original file, unlike "stream capturers", which record music that's streaming and save the recorded audio to disk.

    Apparently, MyTunes grabs the actual file somehow, which may or may not involve streaming in the usual "normal speed playback" sense.

    I wonder if that means that it grabs all the ID3 tagged metadata as well. I've been trying to clean up the data in my music library, so it would be nice if this got preserved if I tried to copy some of my music from, say, my desktop to my fiancee's Windows laptop...

  13. Re:Misleading Headline by laird · · Score: 3, Informative

    iTunes doesn't really stream the music in the sense of a bit-rate limited version trickle delivered. It's more like QuickTime's auto-start download, where the full quality file is downloaded and played, only it's never written to disk. But if you capture and save the file, it's identical to the source file, in the same format, with the same DRM, etc.

    This is different from operating a streaming server, where any sound to be broadcast is squished into a single continuous audio stream, at the desired bitrate and stream format. So, for example, I can run Nicecast (great app!) and it'll take whatever sounds play on my Mac, convert it to an icecast stream at 56K bps (or whatever I tell it), and stream it out. So if I play Protected AAC's, or WAV's, or movies, etc., it all ends up in one long stream, no files, no metadata.

  14. Re:You could do this before, even on windows or li by self+assembled+struc · · Score: 3, Informative

    of course, if you'd read the iSlurp page you'd see that it no longer works with anything post 4.0

    LIke 4.0.1 where Apple started doing key passing and he doesn't want to violate the DMCA.

    So, you really can't use iSlurp unless you use old copies of iTunes.

  15. Official bittorrent provided by zelphi · · Score: 2, Informative

    An official bittorrent file of MyTunes can be downloaded here:

    http://www.drunkenaardvark.com/MyTunes.exe.torrent

  16. Re:Misleading Headline by christopherfinke · · Score: 5, Informative
    Apparently, MyTunes grabs the actual file somehow, which may or may not involve streaming in the usual "normal speed playback" sense.
    I just downloaded MyTunes and tried it on the LAN in my dorm. Once you start a song in iTunes, it is added to a list in MyTunes of songs that you can copy. Choosing to copy a song takes mere seconds, and, as far as I can tell, it is a perfect copy: all ID3 data is retained, the size of the files is the same, etc.
  17. TotalRecorder by Otto · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, that page is talking about TotalRecorder. It's available here: http://www.highcriteria.com/

    It's only $12, so it's not like he's charging a lot for it. It does have some nifty features. First, yeah, it sticks a driver in so that it can capture sound data directly. But it's got some other coolness to it, actually.

    -The 30 second auto-buffer lets you hit record after the song has started and still get the song.
    -Choose your own format, of course. But it can send the data to an encoder too (Ogg, LAME, whatever) before saving it off to disc.
    -Detection of the beginning and ends of sound being played so as to trim the silences and save into separate files automagically if you so choose (works surprisingly well).
    -Suppress system beeps and such while it's recording, so you don't get those in the resulting file.
    -Timer based recording so that you can have it record a daily radio show or something similar.

    And some other nifty stuff. It's rather well thought out, actually. It's worth the $12 if you want to convert virtually any DRMed format to something a little less protected. But it's worth the $12 not because it simply saves the stuff to disc like some free drivers might be capable of doing, but because it's a good program overall with some good effort put into it.

    Oh, it works with iTunes too. Just change QuickTime's playback settings to "Playback through TotalRecorder" and it works just fine.

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  18. Re:Misleading Headline by jocknerd · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're mistaken. AAC is an open standard MPEG-4. The DRM is proprietary. Its called Fairplay. If you convert a CD to AAC format in iTunes, it should play on any system that supports AAC. The DRM is only put on those AAC files that are on iTMS.