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Why Personal Websites Matter

latif writes "Lately personal websites have fallen out of fashion. Some term them as vanity sites, and others are scared of privacy concerns. The article Why Personal Websites Matter discusses some reasons as to why they have to be embraced to stay competitive." I see the personal website as the virtual equivalent of the front of one's home, except that most virtual homes have large signs in the front yard that give a running play-by-play of the inhabitants. Just like one's home, it may be prone to vandalism, but it's far easier to make one's website be an expression of oneself, than to put up large signs outside!

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  1. hmm by nepheles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personal websites are a good idea, in theory -- but, in practice, there are far too many useless, egotistical homepages. That was maybe acceptable in the infancy of the internet, but people are getting smarter now. Blogs are better because they give what people care about -- your opinions and knowledge -- without the self-advertising.

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    1. Re:hmm by wiggys · · Score: 5, Insightful
      That was maybe acceptable in the infancy of the internet

      And its no less acceptable now. The net gives you the freedom to do what you like and say what you like, so if you want to publish a page on a Geoshitties website full of animated christmas tree decorations and talk about your pet rabbit then I think that's a perfectly acceptable thing to do.

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    2. Re:hmm by AchmedHabib · · Score: 2, Insightful

      give what people care about -- your opinions and knowledge
      I have yet to come across a blog of any value. Except once I found one with some compilation parameters for a program that I could use.
      Most people writing these things, thinks they have something interesting to say when most often, they do not.
      Reading about, to me, random people's thoughts and opinions are a complete waste of time, at most it can be amusing and if you have a closed mind, it may be able to open it to the world.

      However reading a blog (or the old finger/.plan) was interesting when the work and/or actions of the people writing it, has a impact on aspects of your life.

    3. Re:hmm by jonbrewer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Blogs are better because they give what people care about -- your opinions and knowledge -- without the self-advertising.

      Nobody cares about your opinions. Well, maybe your mom, but really nobody else. Your friends only check your blog because you bother them about it.

    4. Re:hmm by paganizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ..Something I've been having trouble with for several years now.
      I know it's PC to have a specialized label for every fricking thing under the sun, but...
      a Blog IS a personal website.
      You can call it whatever you want, I suppose, and it sure sounds, I suppose, much cooler, but calling a cat a flea transportation system doesn't change the fact that its a cat.

      BTW, Freenet is Fixed, but FROST is fried.

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    5. Re:hmm by themusicgod1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ever consider how many " useless, egotistical " people there are? and furthermore who the hell do you think you are to tell the rest of us what we should and should not do with our home computers connected to the internet? if you don't like personal websites theres an easy solution : don't go to them. if you wind up on one, either click the "back" part of your home browser or enter in some random url, like for example http://www.slashdot.org. i don't CARE what other people care about. the internet allows freedom of expresson, and freedom of thought, and to constrain this in the straightjacket of public morals and thought is self defeating. 'to care about what other people think of you is to be controlled by them'-voltaire

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    6. Re:hmm by lelnet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A worthless personal homepage does not harm anything except the creative reputation of its creator.

      So I disagree with your assertion that there are "far too many" of them...except in the "in a perfect world, there wouldn't be any stupid people with nothing worthwhile to say" sense. "Far too many" implies that the presence of bad homepages somehow diminishes the rest of the net, or at least places some sort of measurable drain on a scarce resource. It doesn't.

      In my more hopeful moods, I sometimes take the risk of supposing that a lot of those uninteresting home pages are built by people as a learning exercise. (In reality it's certainly a small percentage of the total...on the other hand, what _good_ webmaster _didn't_ build a few uninteresting pages during their learning process?)

    7. Re:hmm by EverDense · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Blogs are better because they give what people care about -- your opinions and knowledge -- without the self-advertising.

      WHAT?!

      Most blogs have entries like "I saw Timmy last night. We talked about, you know, that thing
      we did. I was really upset... bla bla fucking bla".

      IMHO Blogs are the almost sole domain of the self-absorbed and emotionally immature.

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    8. Re:hmm by Davak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personal webspace is wonderful if for just one thing only--freedom of speech!

      Your sig, for example, points to a site that is analogous to other sites that try to prove that man has never walked on the moon.

      Knowing some of the doctors that first discovered the HIV virus and seeing the mircle of antiretrovirals work--I, of course, do not agree with your site in the least little bit.

      However, I agree that you have a right to write those things. The web and personally owned pages allow you to stay such things... and gives me the right to disagree.

      Automated or not -- personal websites support freedom of speech... and that's a good thing.

    9. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There's nothing to pick on if the person doesn't react to the way they used to be. If they just shrug it off and say "yeah, well, things change", then you have nothing on them. It's the ones who are totally preoccupied with what others think about them that are easy targets for such things. "Oh! You used to write web pages that called people lamerz (yeah, with the z) if they used such and such OS!"

      The rules are simple: think before you post (even supposedly anonymous stuff like this), own up to what you've said, stay true to your personal beliefs, and never regret it. If you change something about yourself later, do it for a good reason and then you can justify anything - why you were some way, and why you aren't any more, or whatever.

    10. Re:hmm by denisdekat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only blog, you can have password portected photo galleries and mp3 folders for you and your firends. You can have geneology sites for your family members etc.... Lot's of good reasons to host your website, and to do so with savage web servers ;)

    11. Re:hmm by kiwimate · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hear hear. It's no worse than the thousands of amateur musicians who cut demo tapes on their four-tracks so they can play them in their car and maybe distribute a few copies to their friends. At least it keeps them off the streets, right?

      Frankly, I happen to think that a personal web page has rather more point than a personalized number plate, but you don't see those going out of fashion, do you? Who the heck cares that the Beemer in front of them is driven by someone whose initials are apparently JRP? Or they try to get clever and advertise, so you see they're an EYE DOC. Brilliant -- I wonder how many more eye docs there are in my vicinity and how on earth I'm supposed to find the one with the flash number plate on his Mercedes?

      At least a personal web site gives people the chance to hone their HTML skills (if they so desire), share their opinions (in a far more passive environment than if they're standing on a street corner yelling -- I can easily navigate away from an annoying web page), and maybe provide some obscure information that just might come up on a Google hit one day and make the day for someone searching for that obscure information. I've had this happen a few times -- the piece of information I was looking for was nowhere to be found except on someone's personal web page.

      If you think personal web pages are pointless, then ask yourself how many times some poor user's web page has bitten the big one after succumbing to the /. effect?

    12. Re:hmm by GeorgeH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Speaking of self-absorbed, you seem to think that they are writing for you. The writer's opinions on Timmy are very important to that writer's circle of friends; that is the audience they are writing for.

      The amazing thing about weblogs and personal homepages is that it allows people to broadcast to groups of people. Usually that group tends to be the author's social group, and so if you don't care about what's going on in that group it'll come off as boring and self indulgent.

      You probably don't care about my recently born nephew, but when I post to my LiveJournal or family weblog about him it provides useful information and news to friends and family members. Luckily, I'm not writing it in hopes that EverDense on Slashdot will approve of what I have to say on the subject.

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    13. Re:hmm by Reapy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thank you, you took the words right out of my mouth. I agree with you 100%. I created a personal site on my machine that allows myself, and my friends to post on it. We check it daily. It keeps us in touch. We are all in different states, but keep in touch through the board. We post pictures of things that happened, and make little stories or interesting urls. It's just our outlet to keep track of what is going on in our lives, and it matters to me, and my friends.

      That's my corner of the web, I bought the computer, I'm paying for the connection that it's hosted on, and I built it with my own time. I frankly don't care if it offends someone by clogging up a slot on google. God knows what you would have to type to get it to come up anyways.

      Personal web spaces don't need to be praised or critiszed. There's no need to defend having them, it's just one more freedom that we can exercise if we so choose to. Just the fact that the "common man" can create such a powerful outlet for his voice with geocities and 30 minutes of his time is such a wonderful thing.

      Either way, personal websites aren't going away, and hopefully they never will.

  2. I'm not all that surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Some term them as vanity sites, and others are scared of privacy concerns.
    Can you blame them? Now that people are getting fired over what they post in their blogs, I'd say that has a bit of a "chilling effect" on the topics many would be willing to discuss on their personal homepages. Or what about having a coworker discover your personal site, only to discern that you're [insert something the boss doesn't like]? If you can't talk about work, or if you're afraid of being fired when a coworker surfs by... Why bother with a homepage or blog at all?

    I don't know about you, but work is a large part of my life. Seems that the corporate control of the net has kicked in once again...

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    1. Re:I'm not all that surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's absolute bollocks. We have *laws* to handle these situations - slander and libel. (In the case of the bar, it would be slanderous. In the case of a blog libelous.)

      It is up the "victim" to prove that your opinions are in fact harmful (and untrue). This attitude that you are some sort of "slave" to your employer is part of what is wrong with today's society. (Especially coupled with the anti-union sentiment.)

      Just because employers act this way doesn't make it right - or even legal.

  3. Another stick by OP_Boot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    for prospective employers to beat you with. When a cv comes in, do a Google for the person's name, check them out, their hobbies, their faith, their habits..... Result: Interviewer knows more about the interviewee than the interviewee knows about the company.

    1. Re:Another stick by azzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, because companies never have websites with their details on. Companies never operate/trade etc in public view, allowing opinions of them to be formed and perhaps shared/disseminated by mass media or even individuals on their 'blogs.

  4. The problem with personal websites by lingqi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think personal websites are cool back in the day when... well, HTML isn't so complicated, and the average website is a few tables with a few pictures.

    now, if you would just look at the mountains of shit you'd have to sift through to make a site (try webmonkey.com), it's unreal! Just to make a simple but reasonblly respectable* site would need two years of university education if you never done it before.

    And what I mean by respectable is that - on average, websites have became much more feature rich, the graphics much better, the content more frequently updated, etc. That little website you used to use as a homepage that's hacked up in an afternoon looks by today's standards simply pathetic - and people know this. They fudge around with building a site and then find out, man this is a lot of work and not worth it.

    Besides, there are millions of places online where you can do exactly what you would have be doing on your own site anyway - I keep my journal on slashdot; I get a whole comment feedback system without having had to muck with CGI code / HTML / site design / debugging / server troubleshooting, and so on. Now, eventually I would like to port it to something myself just to have a little more control over it, but really, even if I think about it now, it's not worth the trouble - and keeping a blog online would be exactly the same thing I'd be doing if I had my website, so this simply removes a lot of the hassle.

    So, similarly as people don't all do the painting / maintenance of their home by themselves, website I think comes the same way - it's the tradeoff between convenience of something prepackaged (weblog sites, say) vs something custom, and the amount of effort needed for that little custom isn't always worthwhile in all cases.

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  5. Better than some things by tintruder · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Any time an individual does something to get attention, somebody makes fun of them.

    In the case of PWSs, obviously there is often vanity or some form of craziness, but equally often people use them to keep geographically distant relatives up to date on the growth of children etc., or on whatever activity might be of common interest.

    And even in the craziest of implementations, it could be reasonably said that at least it takes a bit more intelligence to design a web page than it does to plunk down $3000 for fancy wheels and tires for a car.

    Of course the guy with the car generally gains some ancillary benefits woefully unavailable to the guy who sits in his room coding HTML.

    "Damn, Paris, why do you have to stop doing that to answer your cell phone? Get back to work so I can finish my post on Slashdot!"

  6. Blogs by zhenlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personal websites seem to be taking off - as blogs.

    Blogs are an interesting thing really - a published diary - in realtime.

    I don't really see them as important though. It is like my preference of topic-oriented discussion vs. person-oriented discussion - so it is natural for me to prefer a site dedicated to a certain topic.

  7. Returning the favour... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I have learned much of what I know about computing and other technological-related subjects from web sites, usually personal ones.

    To repay this benefit, I think it's important that I provide information where:

    1. I am able to provide high-quality information, far above the average SNR of the web
    2. there isn't already a decent resource of this information

    My cases in point are my HTML tutorial and my guitar chord tutorial, both of which address their subject matter in a way not found on (many) other sites. These tutorials have (from my logs) proved to be very popular.

  8. Google's Pagerank is to blame by Powercntrl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I actually had a discussion about this with one of my friends awhile back. It seemed back around '97 or so you could make a web page, submit it to AltaVista, Infoseek, and HotBot and be almost certain of a steady trickle of hits. For example, my younger brother made a web page about all his pets, and then later added pictures of his wristwatch collection. It used to be just having matching keywords was enough to get your page noticed. Pretty much in the same period of time Google became popular, the hits on his site ground to a halt.

    Personal websites are at a disadvantage under Google's Pagerank system. A new page isn't going to have many other pages linking to it, and for the most part, personal webpages won't end up with many other pages linking to them unless the content is very popular. Google has created a kind of catch-22 situation... You have to already be popular to get a good Pageranking. The system is great for indexing an existing web of sites, but poor for allowing new sites to get exposure.

    I just remember running into personal webpages far more often back in the days when AltaVista, and Infoseek ruled, before the spam sites started abusing keywords. I'm sure Google didn't intend to turn the Internet into a popularity contest, but it would be interesting if they added user-adjustable features like Slashdot's moderation modifiers so you could give a higher (or lower) bias towards personal webpages.

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  9. Personal websites for who? by __aafkqj3628 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I originally created my website to share my ideas and opinions on the world, but I realised that there is already too much out there (the blog-boom?) and I didn't need to be an endless source of flames.
    Now my site has taken a new edge to it, it no longer related to anybody but those who know me and live around me. Some people would concider my site to be of any marketable or even personal value anymore, but it doesn't matter. The only people who matter are the people who you want it to matter to (seriously, how many of you think that people in a fridge or road cones on buildings matter?).

  10. What? by CGP314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    PaulGraham.Com and Stallman.Org are websites of two well-known individuals in the computing industry. The two websites make very different statements about the respective individuals. Paul Graham's site is neat, and organized. Richard M. Stallman's site has lots of information and links related to his idealogies. Even the choice of the domain name reflects something about their personalities. Paul Graham has chosen a dot com, while Stallman prefers a dot org.

    Ummm. Exactaly what does the ending tell about the person? Is Stallman an entire organization? Is Graham a commercial operation? What does a dot net say about me?

  11. Why personal websites matter by wiggys · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well the article mentions Paul Graham and Richard Stallman's personal websites... they obviously matter because they are huge icons in this industry, and they are also smart people with interesting ideas.

    But I think many people have missed the point of personal websites. Just because they're on the Word Wide Web it doesn't mean your audience should be everybody in the world. Many people set up websites intended to be viewed by a small group of people (such as family photo albums who nobody but family or close friends would be interested in).

    Also, how many people who design websites for a living today started off by knocking up a basic website? Most likely it was the equivalent of a "Hello World!" example, and the most readily available content was most likely all about you. Now, unless you were particularly eccentric its unlikely you ever intended this to be seen by thousands of people, but it was still a necessary stage in your learning process.

    So stop being website snobs - there's enough room on the net for everyone!

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    1. Re:Why personal websites matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So stop being website snobs - there's enough room on the net for everyone!

      Absolutely, the most enjoyable sites for me always feel like they have been driven by an individual. Personally I like things that are a little rough around the edges.

      This is not to say that most personal websites are not crap, they are, just as many small time musicians/artists/writers are. Every now and then though one of these will inevitably produce something original and will become popular.

      Blogging software's fine but I'd prefer to see the fruits of someones struggle with HTML than a slick predefined layout, I suppose in the same way that receiving a handwritten letter feels more personal that a printed one.

  12. Bah by adrianbaugh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just as there were tedious people writing cruddy webpages there are tedious people writing drivel in their blogs. At least their godawful webpages tended not to clog up google so badly.
    A semi-static[0] personal web page, if written correctly, provides the best solution. It can include everything people might want to know about you, including your opinions and views; it's low-maintenance (you only need add articles every now and again, when there is important stuff that needs adding) and people are far more likely to read one or two thoughtful, well-written[1] articles written on such a site than the reams of semi-literate journal entries most blogs seem to consist of.

    As you might guess, I'm not the world's biggest blog fan ;-)

    [0] Updated, but only infrequently and with important stuff, not how you're pissed at rasterman today because enlightenment crashed on you.

    [1] If you only add an article every now and then you can afford to spend some time and write it well.

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    1. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      A semi-static personal web page, if written correctly, provides the best solution.
      Best solution for what? Not everyone has the same set of needs.

      I can tell you unequivocally that a blog meets my current needs better than my semi-static website ever did.

  13. It's The Content, Stupid by shadowcabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...to paraphrase.

    The vast majority of personal websites suck. This is a fact. The ones that don't suck are really only useful to a handful of people.

    When was the last time you wandered through Google results for "personal website"? If I had to venture a guess, not until you clicked through to that link. Yet when was the last time you visited someone's personal website? Again, this is only a guess, but probably within the last twenty-four to forty-eight hours. This is because the content on that site was, at some point, useful to you-- even if you were the one who created it.

    I use my personal website (here, if you dare) primarily as a collection of links that I use daily and also as a way to get my PHP and HTML work out there, on exhibit. I have, probably, ten consistent viewers world-wide. Three of them are my mom, dad, and sister. And this is fine for me! Because I know that the content on my site (with the exception of maybe one or two areas explicitly for display) is of relevance to absolutely nobody.

    People here are talking about how in the old days of the Internet (which can't be that damned old if I remember them), personal websites contained a diverse variety of information on just about anything, and that these websites formed the backbone of how people did research; some scientist in Alameda's paper on nuclear vessels, posted on his website, was just as valuable as, say, a fan-page devoted to Evangelion by some kid from Buffalo. Nowadays, everything has a website. You can get any information you want about anything straight from the manufacturer, and personal sites be damned; they're only opinions.

    Both points are valid. In the "old days" the information you got was still people's opinions, which meant you had to find three or four correlating opinions before you could really judge. Now, personal websites allow us to cut through marketing and P.R. bullcrap, but we still need three or four correlating opinions before we can really judge.

    I'm straying from my point. Does anyone here follow anime? Stupid question, right? How do you learn about new releases in Japan? Sure, if you know Japanese, you can check out TV Tokyo or TBS's websites and get the info from them. But odds are you don't (and this is not a slander against those of you who do-- statistically, however, you're in the minority, OK?). So how would you know about releases like (and I'm dating myself here, as the only reference I have handy is a copy of Newtype that's about three months old*) Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle, Scrapped Princess, or Sora no Stellvia? Personal sites do allow "niche" sectors like anime (ha ha) and, I dunno, latex doll painters a way to spread information. The personal site is the next step in "word of mouth".

    (* Newtype USA is only a year old. Hardly enough basis to say that anime is mainstream now; but that's not what's at issue here. You could just as easily do a google search on latex doll painters and find out more than you ever wanted to know. The point is that Newtype is only one source of information. The internet, and personal websites, provide about fifty zillion other points of view.)

    Just to state it clearly here: Less need for personal websites != no need for personal websites.

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  14. what if they die by basingwerk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is weird is visiting the web site of someone who has died. Often, their ISP leaves their sites up for years later. It seems strange and sad to learn about their family, pets, sporting activities and plans when you know how things turned out in the end. I believe people often think they will live longer than they do. And I think of the time wasted putting these sites together when they could have been spending the time enjoying themselves in the pub! Nobody ever said on there death bed 'gosh, I wish I'd used a different background for my personal web site'.

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  15. Andy Warhol... by mwillems · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ..said we could all be famous for 15 minutes.

    In the web era that translates to: we can all be famous for 15 people.

    Indeed, that's about as many as look at my personal web site (www.mvw.net), and I am happy with that. I get to hone my web design and sysadmin skills, my mother gets to see what I am up to, and a few people like to engage in debate which is fine.

    And the most important : old friends can find me! My name comes up very early in Google as a result of the personal web sites. Web sites are a bit like business cards in that respect - people don't look at them in a lot of detail but without them you're lost.

    Michael

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  16. websites by sdibb · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I actually like personal websites for what some of they usually eventually turn into -- detailed information about one subject.

    If someone's personal homepage mentions a certain hobby in detail, chances are other people will pick up on it and visit that website to see someone else's experience.

    I love the homegrown websites about hobbies and cool stuff. It's the corporate websites that have choked the life out of the Internet by making giant sites that cover everything mildly, so I can never find the real content -- from the people!