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Farscape is Back

cioxx writes "FilmForce has substantiated rumors of Farscape, widely popular TV miniseries, returning as a standalone project with no new episode commitment attached, independent of Sci-Fi Channel." Previously, some rumors had been flying around that the original series would be finished off in this way, but many Farscape fans are just happy to see more of the show on the way.

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  1. only one thing to say... by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Frell yeah!

    1. Re:only one thing to say... by Craig3010 · · Score: 1

      Okay, that's more original than my "FUCKIN A!!!"

  2. STUPID MODERATORS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    They mod down the GNAA post as Troll but they leave the parent of this post normal, which implies they do not believe it is a troll.

    How stupid are you moderators?

  3. Re:....Widely popular? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2) It wasn't that popular; Sci-fi nerds are just a vocal minority.


    2a It wasn't that popular; Sci-fi nerds are just very fat.

  4. And my friends said I was crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...when I spent a whole morning standing out in the cold in front of Sci-Fi HQ handing out flyers and stuff with a bunch of strangers.

    Hah!

    1. Re:And my friends said I was crazy... by NoNine · · Score: 0

      That's right, your not crazy...ummm, Oh look, you've just won a free coupon...could you please contact us right away at NMHA?

    2. Re:And my friends said I was crazy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "And my friends said I was crazy... when I spent a whole morning standing out in the cold in front of Sci-Fi HQ handing out flyers and stuff with a bunch of strangers.
      • No ... your friends were right. At least that's what everyone I know thought ... as we walked by you on 6th Ave on the way to our real jobs. I see freaks everyday in NYC though, so I guess that filled that day's quota.

  5. Babs by professorhojo · · Score: 1

    Babylon 5 is the only scifi i ever mourned.

    1. Re:Babs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was pissed when firefly got ousted.

    2. Re:Babs by TTMuskrat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Babylon 5 at least got to tell its whole story (or at the least the story that J. Michael wanted to tell.)
      Farscape was not allowed to do this and it makes me a happy scaper that they might actually be allowed to wrap up the main story arc.

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    3. Re:Babs by zakezuke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bab 5 was cool, really cool, but I wouldn't go so far as saying I mourned it because they did manage to actually complete their 5 year story arch.

      Crucade on the other hand didn't really get a chance to go anywhere, other then some hints that the shadow virus that infected earth might be nano based.

      Farscape on the other hand didn't complete their 5 year story arch... we were left at a cliff-hanger awaiting a next season doomed to never come. I caught the BBC download of it, and they basicly said something to the effect of "yea that's it, it's a cliff hanger but no more episodes".

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    4. Re:Babs by Hassman · · Score: 1

      Dude, Quantum Leap!! Best sci-fi show ever.

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    5. Re:Babs by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I'm currently mourning Star Trek.

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    6. Re:Babs by ddimas · · Score: 1

      Being a native Greek speaker, and since kodos is the Greek word for short, I always understood why "Shorty the Executioner" killed off half the planet. Did I mention that Dino is my first name?

    7. Re:Babs by salparadyse · · Score: 1

      ahhhhhhhhh i do miss babylon 5 nothing ever came close... boom yesterday, boom tomorrow, but never boom today

    8. Re:Babs by Maserati · · Score: 1

      Babylon 5 actually didn't finish quite as intended. They didn't have a commitment to the 5th season, so JMS had to pretty much wrap the main arc in 4 seasons. That explains alot about the lower quality of a lot of the 5th season.

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    9. Re:Babs by willtsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mourning Star Trek is like Mourning Dracula. It's not alive, but it's not dead. Voyager and Enterprise are/were terrible.

      It's undead. It would be nice for Paramount to cut off it's head, cut out the heart, and finally burn it. The real Star Trek died with Gene Roddenberry. The animated corpse still adorns telivision.

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    10. Re:Babs by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      It's "No boom today, but boom tomorrow. Always boom tomorrow".

      You are thinking of Alice in Wonderland, and it was 'cake', not 'boom'.

    11. Re:Babs by salparadyse · · Score: 1

      not so it was a line spoken by the Susan Ivanova character dont' ask me which episode it may have originated in Alice ' tho'

    12. Re:Babs by dcmeserve · · Score: 1
      Farscape on the other hand didn't complete their 5 year story arch... we were left at a cliff-hanger awaiting a next season doomed to never come. I caught the BBC download of it, and they basicly said something to the effect of "yea that's it, it's a cliff hanger but no more episodes".

      Honestly, by that time, I didn't care. Maybe I was disappointed that they didn't seem to be moving in the "Earth is the Peacekeeper homeworld 1 million years ago" theory I had been nursing, but really, after (and during) the 2nd season, it started feeling *really* tired and aimless. But I kept watching because I was hoping it was going to go *somewhere*. Maybe I was spoiled by B5.

      Oh, and I was also sick and tired of every character screaming their head of in every episode. What, did they think that was drama? One must use such tools sparingly...

      What I really wish was that I had seen "Firefly" in place of "Farscape" in this article title...

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    13. Re:Babs by Myxx · · Score: 1

      You really need to be watching this season then. The Trek boards I lurk on were all mainly in agreement that season1 and 2 sucked, but almost no one says that anymore. Even the most die hard critics grudgingly agree it is better and in some cases as good as Trek gets. You should give this season another chance.

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    14. Re:Babs by Holi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually no it didn't. It was meant to have a 5 year run (and yes I know it did) but prior to the 4th seasons end the show was to be cancelled so J.Michael had to rewrite to end the series at the end of the 4th season. When he was told that it would have a 5th he had to hack together the tacked on 5th season.

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    15. Re:Babs by LordMyren · · Score: 1

      amen. just watching firefly now for the first time. i've got 3 more episodes left before i start crying.

    16. Re:Babs by Holi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Episode 15 Season 1, Grail

      Full Quote:
      "No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What? Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here. Boom, sooner or later. BOOM!" --Ivanova

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    17. Re:Babs by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Babylon 5 is the only scifi i ever mourned."

      I was sad when B5 died too. I had nobody to argue with about how great DS9 was. Just when I had them wriggling within the grip of reason. *sigh*

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    18. Re:Babs by salparadyse · · Score: 1

      ya got me there the old memory not working as it used to

    19. Re:Babs by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Yeah, in fact JMS got to tell his entire story, plus a whole extra year :)

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    20. Re:Babs by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Hmm, not how I remember it, but close. The show was always 4 seasons + 1 optional, and the optional season wasnt to be decided on until well into the 4th season. So JMS concluded the series in the 4th season, with the last episode that was to be screened filmed near the end of the third season. This was always going to be the way, and various things were filmed in a way that they could put back from season 4 and inserted into season 5 with minimal fuss if the extra season was decided upon, but this was not the route JMS took.

      He then took B5 in a new direction in the 5th season, with some pretty good stuff coming out (deconstruction of falling stars was one of my favourite eps, with the conclusion that humans become a race much like the vorlons).

      I must say tho, his conclusion of the shadow-vorlon war was wholly dissappointing, with nothing nearing a climatic battle that destroys much of the known galaxy (which is what is hinted at earlier in the series). Basically it ended up in a talk, and a kiss-and-make-up scenario between the vorlons and the shadows.

    21. Re:Babs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the later episodes of voyager got a lot better, after people doing ds9 became available.

      enterprise has become better
      Even at its worst, enterprise was always better than most main network tv shows

    22. Re:Babs by Torville · · Score: 1

      B5 didn't die, it ended. Big difference. Unfortunately, it ended at the end of the fourth season, and then they went ahead and made the fifth season anyway. Granted, it was originally planned to go five seasons, and JMS had to hurry to finish the whole thing in the fourth season, but finish it he did. The fifth season... well, I'm not usually this succinct, but... it blew.

    23. Re:Babs by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      No, it died. B5 would have kept going if it could have. They definitely tried. They had a mini-movie not so long ago, and everybody barfed at it.

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    24. Re:Babs by Torville · · Score: 1

      Au contraire, mon frer. B5 had a five-year plan in place years before it aired. I was there at the beginning, back when it was TWCNBN; I was there for the Eeep!

      On the other hand, yes, the "movies" were pretty disappointing.

    25. Re:Babs by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      Im well aware of the weak five year plan it had. doesn't mean they couldn't have continued it.

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    26. Re:Babs by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 1

      They didn't try to keep B5 going. They tried to start a spinoff, with all new characters.

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  6. Still just speculation by bigbigbison · · Score: 5, Informative

    Earlier this week, Dark Horizons reported that he had learned the production office is open, but that he was unable to learn anything else. SOMETHING is going on but that article simply seems to be plagiarizing the Dark Horizons article.

    There was a Henson press conference set for Thursday according to savefarscape.com but it was cancelled which leads me to beleive that perhaps whatever deal they had fell through.

    There is a fan convention going on this weekend, so if there is an anouncement look for it soon.

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    1. Re:Still just speculation by zerocool^ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's speculation, but the announcement came from a post by LAScaper on the savefarscape forums, which is here: http://www.watchfarscape.com/forums/showthread.php ?s=dc744150f682e3c42e1199c30d15fdf8&threadid=17172

      And duplicated here:

      ----snip----

      Hey Y'all!!

      I am deliberately giving you this news in the dryest language possible, and I remind you that NOTHING IS SET IN STONE. It's so easy to get excited. But there's reason to at least keep our hopes and efforts going...

      After the Jay Leno show, many of the scapers returned to the hotel. RaeLee Hill (Sikozu) was in the lobby. RoseyM and I were standing there waiting for Tiriel. Naturally, I couldn't find myself standing two feet from this adorable (and tiny!) woman without saying something to her, so we struck up a conversation. RoseyM asked RaeLee if there was anything she could tell us about the show's future. I didn't have the nerve. I assumed RaeLee would say there was nothing to tell.....

      OMG! RaeLee told us several things:

      1. All of the Farscape actors are "on hold".

      2. The studio has been reserved for the months of December, January, and February. RaeLee said they had reserved the "big one" that they used when the show first started.

      3. She said the sets were being built now.

      4. RaeLee said she believes a three part mini-series and a feature movie combination is being discussed. But she's not sure....

      5. She said Ben Browder had signed something. She's not sure but, RaeLee believes it was a letter of intent of some type.

      You can imagine how excited RoseyM and I were to hear this news!! I asked RaeLee if it was ok to put this news on the internet because there were a lot of people who would want to hear about this. I also have no desire to get RaeLee into trouble. She said that no one had told her to keep this information a secret. It was ok to tell 5,000 of my closest friends. She just wanted me to make sure that I say clearly that NOTHING IS SET IN STONE

      RoseyM and I split the pleasant task of posting this information. You will find her post on the Kanasas site.

      I guess the bottom line here is that we have every reason to keep hope a alive scapers!!!

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    2. Re:Still just speculation by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      "It was ok to tell 5,000 of my closest friends."

      Oops. Exceeded that somewhat. :)

  7. Original sci-fi? by DuSTman31 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not particularly directed at Farscape, perhaps, but I see a lot of criticism about various sci-fi shows for a lack of originality, in that a lot of basic tech and plot concepts seem mirrored across many different series.

    I think creating an original premise for sci-fi is now extremely hard, all the main aspects of possible futures being represented in one show or another. I know I can't think of anything new to base a story on.

    Can anyone point to some recent sci-fi that is truly original? Thanks.

    1. Re:Original sci-fi? by anaphora · · Score: 3, Funny

      Futurama?
      "Yes, it's a perfect scale model of the universe's largest bottle. I put a tiny spaceship inside to keep it from being boring."

    2. Re:Original sci-fi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that definition of "original" there are no original movies of any genre. Most good fiction consists of new ways of looking at old themes or twists of existing ideas. Sci-fi fans perhaps have been spoiled by the fact that every generation we have had a couple of writers come up with things that existed no where in imagination. But that hardly means there is no origniality.

    3. Re:Original sci-fi? by ninejaguar · · Score: 1
      There's a distinction between space opera and speculative fiction. As a whole, Star-Trek and its derivatives and copiers (from Star Wars to STNG to Farscape) can be classed as space opera or planetary romance. However, the best episodes within these series are the ones that could be classified as true science-fiction. Space opera and/or planetary romance are great entertainment and wonderful intros to sci-fi, but for the most part don't require further thought than the adventure within the episode.

      Jack Vance is a perfect example as a master of that art. When you read one of his stories, you are completely absorbed in the environment and the views of his characters and their dialogue are unique and imaginative. His planetary romances and space operas are difficult to equal and perhaps impossible to translate to film.

      However, the problem with space operas and planetary romances are their eventual reliance on formulaic story lines. Essentially, what television viewers have come to expect as sci-fi, are actually adventure stories placed in the context of space. There's nothing wrong with that, except it misleads people into thinking they are watching something labeled by the TV Guide as sci-fi. This waters down the actual wonders of sci-fi. With only a few episodes in these adventure stories standing out as true science fiction, I can see why it would be difficult to imagine there are any more stories to tell.

      I would remind that person of Twilight Zone. Rarely did that series repeat a story line (there were only a handful of similar episodes), and for the most part each episode was fresh and new under the sun for many television viewers.

      For those who feel the need to delve into speculative fiction and temporarily escape formulaic fiction (as enjoyable as that can be most of the time), I'd recommend selected works from authors such as

      Samuel R. Delaney (Dhalgren, Babel-17, Fall of the Towers, Stars In My Pocket Like Grains Of Sand, Tales of Neveryon)

      Clifford D. Simak

      Harlan Ellison (as editor and author)

      Gene Wolfe

      Roger Zelazny

      Theodore Sturgeon

      Greg Bear

      Frederik Pohl

      Dan Simmons

      Joe Haldeman

      Philip K. Dick

      Richard Matheson

      This list is not complete (and could never be), but has some good jumping points into the different.

      = 9J =

    4. Re:Original sci-fi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you haven't done so, try watching a German show called Lexx.

      It's filmed in both German and English (all the actors know both languages) so you should have no trouble picking up the english version.

      I've only seen the first episode (which is 90 minutes long), but it's gaurenteed to be totally different from anything being produced from the US.

  8. Farscape by yoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Excellent! Now they just need to bring back the Invisible Man and I will be happy.

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    1. Re:Farscape by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Helz yeh, that show was the best show ever.

      On a side note, the 2 main characters (Darrien Fox and Hobbs) were just on "Las Vegas" last week.

      They weren't using their "IMan" names, but they were doing the same witty banter back and forth through the entire episode. It brought a teer to my eyes.

  9. "Widely popular" by swb · · Score: 0, Troll

    If it was widely popular, why does it have to be resurrected?

    1. Re:"Widely popular" by Hassman · · Score: 1

      No kidding. Good shows don't get cancelled ... twice.

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    2. Re:"Widely popular" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Popular amongst geeks. This is slashdot, not NYTimes.

    3. Re:"Widely popular" by TTMuskrat · · Score: 5, Informative

      If it was widely popular, why does it have to be resurrected?

      Because its cancellation was all about money and ownership of the show, not its popularity. (Kinda like the original Battlestar Galatica).

      SciFi Channel (owned by USA networks) did not own the rights to the show as it was made by the Jim Henson company (who is owned by a German conglomerate whose name escapes me now). When the USA network changed leadership, they wanted shows that they made and produced to be shown so that all the monies from said show would go to them. Since this was not the case with Henson-owned Farscape, and the fact that the show was not cheap to make, USA (and SciFi) opted out of the 5th season. So now, all you get is USA network made crap programming on the SciFi channel as if the entire USA Network itself wasn't bad enough ;).

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    4. Re:"Widely popular" by Exatron · · Score: 1

      The Jim Henson company was owned by EMTV, a german conglomerate. Henson's heirs bought the company back earlier this year.

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    5. Re:"Widely popular" by Zero+Muskrat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, the Henson family owns the Jim Henson company. It was sold to EM.TV of Germany for $680 million in 2000. The Henson's bought it back for $89 million this year. Not bad.

      There has been wild hopes that Farscape would come back in some incarnation now that the Henson family owns the rights. We'll have to see if these hopes become reality. The theme of the campaign to bring the show back has been "Beyond Hope."

    6. Re:"Widely popular" by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you're confusing good and popular. Friends and reality shows are popular. Good shows seem to be canceled on a fairly regular basis.

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    7. Re:"Widely popular" by jnik · · Score: 2, Interesting
      This is pretty much what's up with sci fi these days. Legend of the Rangers wasn't greenlighted because the pilot's ratings were "good" but "not good enough for a show that we won't own lock stock and barrel."

      One of the reasons for the decline of the channel IMO.

    8. Re:"Widely popular" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and they cancelled ExoSquad! It was one of the best cartoons ever produced. Those morons deserve a major kick in the balls.

    9. Re:"Widely popular" by DAldredge · · Score: 0, Troll

      I think you are confusing Farscape for a good show. My god, it was Muppets in Space! (with worse acting)

    10. Re:"Widely popular" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nerd alert

    11. Re:"Widely popular" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not have really seen the show. Only a casual viewer who saw maybe one episode from the first season would say this.

      The mainstream media television critics ALL agree that this was perhaps the most exciting scifi show on television. The state of scifi television shows being what it is today may not make that statement seem like much, but I'd have to agree that this show was at least the equal of Buffy, Angel, 24, or Alias. It had action, suspense, humor, romance, bold plot twists, and more story-telling jammed into a one-hour episode than many movies have in 90 minutes. In short, it was everything that Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones was not.

      A fair-minded viewer would go back and give it another look-see.

    12. Re:"Widely popular" by bigbigbison · · Score: 1

      Is there something inherently "bad" about Muppets in Space?

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    13. Re:"Widely popular" by dandelion_wine · · Score: 1

      No, I'd take muppets in space over Farscape.

      Farscape is my handy illustration for the principle that there is a fan club for everything. The internet is another handy illustration.

    14. Re:"Widely popular" by D_Gr8_BoB · · Score: 1
      Legend of the Rangers also pretty much sucked. I'd rather see the episode of Crusade that was supposed to have Bestor in it. (Google for the script if you're interested)

      I guess I can't really blame SciFi for killing that one off though, since even the original Babylon 5 had ratings problems and was almost canceled after season 4.

    15. Re:"Widely popular" by STrinity · · Score: 1

      If it was widely popular, why does it have to be resurrected?

      The SciFi Channel had the budget for a Kia but went out and bought a Porsche.

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    16. Re:"Widely popular" by CrowScape · · Score: 1

      Farscape was actually the biggest ratings winner Sci-Fi had. It was cancled because the Sci-Fi channel didn't want to be the Sci-Fi channel anymore, and instead wanted to concentrate more on horror. Even cable channels do stupid things.

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    17. Re:"Widely popular" by mbourgon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Don't forget the football game.

      From JMS:
      We heard what we initially thought were disappointing figures, that we'd done a 1.7 when SFC was hoping for a 2.6 or better. It kind of
      puzzled everybody because the B5 audience is generally pretty reliable.

      It became even *more* puzzling when the more detailed figures came in, showing that by quarter-hours, the show *gained viewers* and did not lose them. Meaning folks who came on the show by accident, stayed to watch. It should have been much higher than it was.

      Then the final market-by-marked figures came in from the studio, and we had our mystery resolved.

      The east coast ratings got hammered by the football game, which was the highest rated such game in something like 5 years. The B5 male
      demos are pretty much the same as for sports, and we lost heavily to football. So there we did not do well.

      By contrast, on the west coast, where the show aired *after* the game had finished, we not only met but *exceeded* SFC's expectations, getting a 3.2 or 3.6 in many markets, which is actually pretty unheard of for a basic cable network.

      The problem is that the average, 1.7, is still what's used for advertising. So we have to see if SFC will look past the show getting hammered by a big football event on the East Coast to look at the West Coast figures and see that there is, indeed, a market.

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    18. Re:"Widely popular" by rjelks · · Score: 1

      Mod me offtopic, but bring Sliders back too :( __

    19. Re:"Widely popular" by Backov · · Score: 1

      Yes, I believe he was being sarcastic, and referring quite explicitly to - wait for it..

      Star Tres: TOS

      Quite apropos for a Farscape discussion, since FS is so much better written than any Trek.

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    20. Re:"Widely popular" by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Don't forget they just have to fund "Scare Tactics". What the screaming f*ck that has to do with Sci-Fi, I don't know... it's not even that scary... it's more like "Oh shit, we screwed up, and now we're worrying about when the cops will show up."

      Frankly, I'd like to start the executions with their program director and work my way up...

      Kierthos

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    21. Re:"Widely popular" by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1

      some episodes are still avaliable on amazon and universal's site, and this guy is offering the entire series on VHS tapes he copied off the air.

    22. Re:"Widely popular" by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      I think you are confusing Farscape for a good show. My god, it was Muppets in Space! (with worse acting)

      So, you just came to troll? The acting was a heck of a lot better than Grunts in Space, er, I mean Stargate. The scenes where John rebuffs and then ignores Aeryn, and when Aeryn says she's leaving, really stirred up the fans, but that's probably a little too mushy for you. Cut-and-dried kill-the-aliens SciFi may be what you're looking for, but I appreciated Farscape for exploring the human and alien interaction. And the actors are actually quite good, even if they are not familiar to most Americans.

    23. Re:"Widely popular" by anagama · · Score: 2, Insightful

      • a lot better than Grunts in Space, er, I mean Stargate
      Nice characterization. I started watching Farscape because I was running out of Star Trek disks to get from Netflix. I've looked at a few other things too, including Stargate. I gave Stargate 2 disks worth of chances, and it was nothing but GI Joe lobbing grenades from a wormhole instead of foxhole. Boring as hell - a gunslinger movie with lights instead of gunsmoke.

      I have to agree that Farscape's earlier episodes weren't stellar. Luckily, they were just good enough to keep getting the disks. But then, from season two on, the show became amazing, like "bring tears to my eyes" amazingly good.

      I feel a lot more emotion for the Farscape characters than I do for Star Trek characters - and I'm a die hard ST fan. But the truth is, the Farscape characters are far more "human" and it is very easy to get wrapped up in the story - I've found myself actually mad at a character for being a jerk, and happy or sad for a character depending on what is going on. And none of the characters are always good, always bad, always selfish, always generous - hell, even the evil nemesis is humanized to the point that, in a lot ways, I find him very likeable. Scorpius is humanized far more than the Borg ever was. This makes things much more complex and interesting.

      Anyway, Farscape was not just about lights and gun battles - it was about the characters becoming real enough so that you cared what happened to them and worried for them. As far as I could tell, Stargate never got there. Neither did Andromeda for that matter (I've given that about 5 disks of chances - frelling dren).

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    24. Re:"Widely popular" by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      But the truth is, the Farscape characters are far more "human" and it is very easy to get wrapped up in the story - I've found myself actually mad at a character for being a jerk, and happy or sad for a character depending on what is going on. And none of the characters are always good, always bad, always selfish, always generous - hell, even the evil nemesis is humanized to the point that, in a lot ways, I find him very likeable. Scorpius is humanized far more than the Borg ever was. This makes things much more complex and interesting.

      Well put. When you find out the bad aliens aren't really all that bad or all that alien, it makes you think. When John was dissing Aeryn, I was yelling at the screen and almost hoping his character got killed (again). Then when you find out he's doing it because he knows Aeryn's condition and good old Scorpy is eavesdropping on them, it's such a relief. I never empathized with characters in any series like I did with those in Farscape.

    25. Re:"Widely popular" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the part where Legend of the Rangers was the worst chapter in the Babylon 5 universe, ever, even topping the pilot multiplied by Crusade in shittiness.

    26. Re:"Widely popular" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right. Good shows don't get cancelled twice - but great ones do. And here's a chance for a third!

    27. Re:"Widely popular" by Hassman · · Score: 1

      Now this is an idea I can get behind. someone start a web petition!

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    28. Re:"Widely popular" by Hassman · · Score: 1

      News flash. Every new show that comes out is deemed "the best X[1] show out there!"

      [1] - insert genre here.

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  10. SG-1 kicks Farscape's ass anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's with all these Farscape fans anyway? Stargate SG-1 is a much better show, and 100% Muppet free. I never did see the appeal of Farscape, and I'm a sci-fi geek (I like all the Star Trek series, hell, even Babylon 5).

    1. Re:SG-1 kicks Farscape's ass anyway by willtsmith · · Score: 1

      The muppets I've seen on Farscape rival good CGI. It's great to see good artistry match slick high-tech drivel.

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    2. Re:SG-1 kicks Farscape's ass anyway by JackRuby43 · · Score: 1
      "I never did see the appeal of Farscape"

      errr....lemme help you with that. Here are some keywords.

      Claudia Black, leather, bare midriff.

      : )

    3. Re:SG-1 kicks Farscape's ass anyway by anagama · · Score: 1


      If you are interested in a paper thin plot, cardboard characters, and a lot of shooting, Stargate is an awsome show.

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    4. Re:SG-1 kicks Farscape's ass anyway by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      Claudia Black, leather, bare midriff.

      And let's not forget the grey, flexible, little strumpet, Chiana. :)

    5. Re:SG-1 kicks Farscape's ass anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a REASON two other networks dropped SG1 like a used condom. It's a shitty show. It's not getting the ratings that Farscape was by any measure.

    6. Re:SG-1 kicks Farscape's ass anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who in the fuck wants to see a souped up version of MacGuyver? I don't. SG-1 sucks canal water. The stupid general reminds me of the old fart on MacGuyver, even if they don't have the same focus in the show.

      The only good thing about SG-1 is that air force chick... I'd bend her over and boink her doggy style. (I'm a geek, but I have my priorities.)

  11. How about Babylon 5? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's great to see Farscape come back alive like this. I just hope that this will happen to the Babylon 5: Crusade series as well. The last few episodes were really good and the original series was awesome.

  12. I'm glad by Scholasticus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was a fan of Farscape, and was saddened to see it cancelled. That the series ended with a cliffhanger was a frustrating disappointment. At least now they will be able to tidy things up a bit. I have no hope that Farscape will be revived as a series, but at least this miniseries will give it a fair ending.

    1. Re:I'm glad by Zero+Muskrat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was devasted by the cancellation of Farscape as it was the only show I could truly get excited about watching. It didn't help that it was replaced by SG-1, which I consider to be both poorly written and uninteresting. I am one of those fanatics that stopped watching the Sci-Fi channel altogether after the last episode aired. Okay, so I watched Children of Dune. We are all hypocrites.

      To be fair to the Sci-Fi channel, to call the 4th season of Farscape substandard is being generous. I enjoyed that the show took different directions every season. The 3rd season, while still good, was likely over the top for some. They just seemed to lose the magic from the very beginning of the 4th season. Episodes were confusing and definitely over the top. If you were not already a fan of the series, you would never watch those episodes.

      If the rumors turn out to be true, I hope that they do a better job with the miniseries and give the show a proper ending. The fans deserve it.

    2. Re:I'm glad by Sean+Riordan · · Score: 1

      The beginning of the 4th season was rather undirected and chaotic, but the second half of the 4th season was excellent. That was their best work of the show IMHO. Of course I think the 3rd season was great too.

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    3. Re:I'm glad by vsprintf · · Score: 1

      I am one of those fanatics that stopped watching the Sci-Fi channel altogether after the last episode aired. Okay, so I watched Children of Dune. We are all hypocrites.

      Well, I'm not the only one. Children of Dune is the only thing I've watched on SciFi since Farscape was cancelled. I hope someone from the SciFi Channel is following this and realizes how many viewers they lost when they dumped Farscape. There's just nothing left for real SciFi fans. I used to turn it on for Farscape and watch the other stuff that followed but no more.

    4. Re:I'm glad by zaphod110676 · · Score: 1

      Soon after Farscape was canceled we bought a house. I didn't even bother to get cable when we moved. It just didn't seem worth it. I can honestly say that I have watched less than 10 hours of TV (not counting my DVDs and such) since March. I can't say I miss it. There was just nothing worth giving up my time for anymore and definitely nothing worth spending $40/month for.

      Of course I'll have to have someone tape the Farscape mini-series for me. =)

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    5. Re:I'm glad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children of Dune is the only thing I've watched since Farscaped was cancelled, and they butchered Messiah and Children of Dune so badly that I doubt I'll ever watch their network again.

  13. Yeeeaaah! by Kai_MH · · Score: 1

    It's about frelling time.

  14. Woohoo! by InfoCynic · · Score: 1

    Even if it's just a miniseries, maybe they can bring some closure to the series, or at the very least the end of the last season. Of course, this thing could still be a long way off, and there's a lot that could go wrong, so I'm going to try not to get too excited too early.

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  15. Pssss.... by NoNine · · Score: 0

    It's rumored to become a movie -> dvd. Don't worry, we'll still have Battlestar Galactica!

  16. Not a miniseries by InfoCynic · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's inaccurate to call Farscape a miniseries. It was a regular tv show, running 4 seasons with 22 episodes in each. Perhaps the author was confused after reading the article (although that would seem to imply he read the article, which on /., seems unlikely...), that mentions that the new project will be a miniseries.

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    1. Re:Not a miniseries by Quarters · · Score: 4, Informative
      The show got called a miniseries in the article header because the poster just grabbed various phrases from the linked story and combined them incorrectly. The comment in the article is:

      The Henson company would not comment on the information but a source close to the production has confirmed that the new project will be a miniseries, not a new season as originally hoped for by the fans. While no plot details are available, sources have also confirmed that the new project will be independent from the Sci-Fi Channel, the network that broadcast the series. No information is currently available about just where the new miniseries will be appearing or when.

      Obviously, this is good news for the fans that have fought so hard to bring the series back but there may be cause for guarded optimism. The miniseries is currently seen as a standalone project with no new episode commitment attached, so nothing is guaranteed beyond this project. More information as it becomes available right here at IGNFF.

    2. Re:Not a miniseries by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Umm, read the article...

      The rumor is that they are going to MAKE a mini-series, possibly to tie up the loose ends. For example, pick up where John and Aryn are "blown up" in the series finale and a "To Be Continued" sign appears.

    3. Re:Not a miniseries by Osty · · Score: 1

      Umm, read the poster's comment...


      He was referring to the article summary, not the article itself. The summary says, "FilmForce has substantiated rumors of Farscape, widely popular TV miniseries, ..." which when parsed as an English-language sentence says, "Farscape is a miniseries." It wasn't, and the poster said so. That they're making a miniseries doesn't make the original series a miniseries as well.


      A miniseries is something like Band of Brothers, or Carnivale, where there is a small, set number of episodes, and when they're done, they're done. You don't have "seasons" of a miniseries, because otherwise it would be a series.

  17. Who do I have to thank for this little miracle??? by sllim · · Score: 1

    I know that not everyone agrees with me that Farscape is possibly the best show to have graced TV since, well since, hell since forever.

    But even if you don't get Farscape you have to have some sympathy for us fans.

    You realize they didn't even have the common curtesy to delete the words 'To be continued' from the last scene of the last episode?

    In the last 3 minutes of the last episode the 2 main characters are blown away by a previously unknown badguy, and then the other good guys are left with jaws in there laps and the words 'To Be Continued'.

    If you don't have some sort of pity for us fans then you are an incompassionate slug.

    I will take a miniseries and say 'Thank You'. All I ever wanted was a final episode, maybe a 2 hour one, to tie up the loose ends.
    I never demanded they give us another full season.

    So who do I have to thank????

  18. WHAT'S A PENISFISH.JPG??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are so pathetic that you don't even deserve a Troll moderation.

    Hey Taco! Can we have a pathetic moderation category?

    1. Re:WHAT'S A PENISFISH.JPG??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Answer: A penisfish.jpg is something that your boyfriend sticks up your anus regularly.

  19. Good, Original SF Recommendations by cquark · · Score: 5, Informative
    I think science fiction is in its golden age today, both in terms of interesting well-developed ideas and in terms of the quality of writing. Here are some relatively recent novels that focus on interesting ideas that I'd recommend:
    • Stephen Baxter's Ring, Manifold:Time, Anti-Ice
    • Greg Egan's Quarantine, Diaspora, Distress, and Permutation City
    • Ian MacDonald's Terminal Cafe and Evolution's Shore
    • Alistair Reynold's Revelation Space
    • Rudy Rucker's Software and sequels, which are the weirdest fiction I've encountered since Phillip K Dick
    • S.M. Stirling's Island in the Sea of Time
    • Harry Turtledove's Guns of the South, Agent of Byzantium, and World War series
    • Vernor Vinge's A Fire Upon the Deep and A Deepness in the Sky
    • Robert Charles Wilson's Chronoliths and Bios
    • David Zindell's Neverness
    For short stories, the Year's Best SF series edited by David Hartwell is quite good. Stephen Baxter and especially Greg Egan have amazing short story collections fo their own. If you know a good used bookstore, I'd also highly recommend John Varley's short story collections (most published under several titles). He's not a bad novelist, but he's incredible in short fiction.
    1. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by MrPoopyPants · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the suggestions. I'm always looking for new sci-fi to read.

      I would like to see Isaac Asimov's Foundation series made into a movie (or would I... maybe it would ruin it?). Actually, a series of movies (possibly a TV miniseries like Dune).

    2. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I would like to see Isaac Asimov's Foundation series made into a movie

      TCF is shooting Asimov's I, Robot. Should be out next year.

      Foundations will get it's chance someday.
    3. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by HeghmoH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I cannot even begin to devise a plan of action for how to start to express my extreme shock that Iain M. Banks is inexplicably not on your list.

      Aside from that mindbending omission, I agree that SF is as good today as it ever was.

      Complainers who think that there's no good SF anymore have two key problems. One is that they're forgetting about the selection effect; if you average (for example) one good SF movie every three years, then it feels like an eternity between new ones, but the past is littered with them. Second, they somehow forget about books. Partly this is because of the legions of Star Trek fans whose largest experience with written SF is Star Trek novels, and partly because, well, there's a lot of people out there who just don't read. But SF is at its best in the form of the written word.

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    4. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by asmussen · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking that the Foundation series would not translate very well to the big screen. It's been a long time since I've read it, but if I remember correctly, weren't the first couple of books almost entirely dialog, with very little actual action? For the record, I'm not complaining. I happen to love that series, but I don't think that sort of book would work very well as a movie. Some of the later books in the series maybe, where they read more like a regular novel, but not the first ones...

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    5. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by MrPoopyPants · · Score: 1

      I thought of those problems too but there are some pretty clever screenwriters out there (Joss Whedon, for instance) who might be able to adapt it. Also, there's nothing that says the movie(s) have to follow the book exactly (look at LOTR).

      I believe there were three books initially, then three sequels, and then a few prequels. The prequels can probably be ignored or addressed in flashbacks, the original books could be condensed, and the movies could focus on the sequels which seem to be more suited for the screen.

      Just some ideas...

    6. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by cquark · · Score: 1
      I cannot even begin to devise a plan of action for how to start to express my extreme shock that Iain M. Banks is inexplicably not on your list.

      I'm not sure how to explain his absence either, especially as I was sitting not more than a couple meters from my nearly complete Iain Banks collection when I wrote the post. His Consider Phlebas, Against a Dark Background, and many others should be on the list too.

    7. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by simon_hzero · · Score: 1

      I think you forgot to mention Peter F Hamilton with The Reality Dysfunction, The Neutronium Alchemist and Naked God. It has the depth of space opera, and hard scifi that looks good on TV.

    8. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by willtsmith · · Score: 1

      Minus a few goofey scenes, BiCenentennial man was a VERY good film. The TV adds that tried to sell it, made it look goofey.

      It was actually a well thought out discussion of the ramifications of artificial life and a desire to be human.

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    9. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by mbourgon · · Score: 1

      extreme shock that Iain M. Banks is inexplicably not on your list.

      And my extreme pleasure that he's not. I've tried. I've read Use of Weapons (twice), and Consider Phlebas... both are drek. So horrid that I reread one, certain I was missing something. Nope. Lent it to a friend. Same thing - absolutely awful. Yes, I'll admit that I may read trash. I love Simon R. Green. L.E. Modesitt Jr. Jack L. Chalker. Robert A. Heinlein. James Alan Gardner. Ken MacLeod.

      But Iain Banks? Pass.

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    10. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      Crazy. If you had started out with, say, Excession, or Look to Windward, I could understand. But starting out with Consider Phlebas and Use of Weapons and not liking it? Nutty. Oh well, everybody has the right to be wrong. :-)

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    11. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Kim Stanley Robinson's Mar's trilogy Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars), hard SF at its finest.
      True it's a little long (looking at about 1800 pages of not very large print in total) but can't I've ever read such a complete series. The science and society was as extremely well thought out, there were no inconsistencies nor convenient amnesia of scientific laws or even loopholes, only slightly a couple times did I find myself having the slightest doubts about the technology but they were very slight. The social development while it seems odd a couple times is just as well mapped and as about as convincing as you can get when building a new culture.
      Normally when a story pulls the name of some classic writer or composer from our time I'm always a little skeptical (I don't think they'll be in common conversation in X centuries) yet I always find it even weirder when that make a referal to some alien or future work that I've never heard of an they've just made up on the spot. This story has no such problem as the culture is followed from the start and is entirely convincing and you feel right at home with it.

      They're a not for the light reader but I feel they were worth every page.

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    12. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually like seeing lists of books like that, to give me something to read. But then I saw Manifold:time on your list, and I'm wondering whether you and I have very different tastes or if this is just a troll, and one way or another whether I'd like to read any of those.

      I own a copy of Baxter's manifold:time , which I randomly bought before a trip. The writing is horrible. The characters are just not believable. The pivotal point of the book sems to be based on mass hysteria because of a stupid statistical argument which anyone who has had STAT 101 can refute and either way wouldn't be influential on most belief systems.

      It looked like science fiction for science fiction's sake, with an author trying to show up how "witty" he is and weird stuff he can come up with, but with no regard to coming up with a good story to work in his universe.

      So anyway, I pushed myself to get halfway throgh it, and it's now sitting somewhere in my apartment, probably as a paperweight.

      You did list "A fire upon the deep", which might mean you are really trying to give a good list (though those are fairly old books). I'll take a look at some others in your list and see.

      Personally I recommend anything by Connie Willis. Her "doomsday book" tied with a fire upon the deep for the hugo award one year, for example. "To say nothing of the dog" and "Passage" are also good, though very different. She has two short story collections, I've only found "impossible things" which is very good. The first story in that book (The last of the winnebagos) is very cool, and very much outside what a normal story looks like.

    13. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by Myxx · · Score: 1

      They have.

      I hope they don't screw it up.

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    14. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by tigris · · Score: 1


      Have to second HeghmoH on Banks. Worth reading for the Ship names alone.
      Great writer. Would love to see his stuff on the big screen.

    15. Re:Good, Original SF Recommendations by abb3w · · Score: 1

      I think science fiction is in its golden age today

      No, no... it's in its Diamond Age !

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  20. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by DAldredge · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I find it hard to feel for a group of people who bitch about farscape EVERY time sci-fi is brought up. farscapers are as bad as the gentooites!

  21. Re:LAME. GAY BOY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck you man, I clicked it cause I was HOPING it'd be some gay goatse redirection link.

  22. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Actually DK and the FS cast/crew left that To Be Continued in there on purpose. They did it as giving the finger to the scifi channel as they only had 1 day of filming left when they heard it was cancelled and DK said he wasn't about to try to tie up the show in a day, so leave it as is..the way it was originally intended.

  23. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That, sir, is the worst insult ever. :(

  24. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Funny

    hell.. i have no sympathy for you.

    you know, if you played nethack most of your stories in it end that way.

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  25. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 4, Funny

    I know! Farscape fans bitching about Farscapes cancelation in a story about farscapes cancelation! What hubris!

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  26. yay by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Funny
    I discoved Farscape after it had been cancelled, and Sci-Fi was running the episodes midnight on Sundays.

    I didn't miss one.

    Then they moved it to mondays during the day??! How the hell am I supposed to have a job and watch Farscape.

    So I quit my job.

    It was worth it.

    1. Re:yay by Zero+Muskrat · · Score: 2, Funny

      If ever I see a case for someone needing a Tivo, you my friend, are it.

  27. Can I get a HELL YEA!!? by ck42 · · Score: 1

    PLEASE say it's so!

  28. more quasi-confirmation on savefarscape.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Redundant

    There was a post the other day on watchfarscape.com's forums, here, to the effect of:

    - someone had a conversation with one of Farscape's actresses (the one who played Sikozu) at a con; she said that (summary borrowed from someone on trekbbs.com):

    * All the Farscape actors are 'on hold.'
    * The studios are reserved from December - February.
    * The sets are being built.
    * She believes a three-part miniseries with possible feature film MAY be under discussion.
    * Ben Browder MAY have signed something (possibly some sort of letter of intent).

  29. Farscape not so great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first season or two were pretty interesting. Live actors and puppets working on the same stage in a dramatic setting was kinda cool. And the use of puppets allowed some variation from the common TV sci-fi convention of all aliens as humanoid knock-offs.

    The show began to get tied up in multi-episode arcs (trying to outshine the Babylon 5, I suppose) and ordinary notions of story structure got lost. Attempts to wring "surprise" out of regular characters overwhelmed the growth and development that had been an enjoyable aspect of the principals up to then.

    Humanoid knock-off aliens began showing up in droves, reducing the novelty level. A lot of time spent on earth allowed homo sapiens to be viewed as the "aliens." This got carried to an extreme not needed for long-time sci-fi fans. (Quibble alert: Characters who lived in the midwest of north america but tended to speak with Australian accents was somewhat disconcerting to a native north american. End of quibble)

    The plots went out of control. Elements would be introduced that had no background, tensions would arise that were not resolved. The show's writers and producers promised in the trades and fan publications that upcoming episodes would knock everyone's socks off -- but what hit the screen was just more of the increasingly muddled mess that had now become Farscape.

    The last scenes shown didn't really strike me as a cliffhanger ending, but just another weak set up for following episodes that wouldn't make sense or break through to new visions.

    Let it go.

    1. Re:Farscape not so great by FLoWCTRL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Au contraire -- that Farscape's plotlines were intelligent enough that they couldn't be captured in the standard "1 hour minus advertising" TV slot. That was part of what made the show a step above the rest. The plot was in fact very consistent, if you view it as a whole. More like a movie, spread out over episodes. If you miss several episodes, then yeah, I can see how one might not understand some elements.

      Quibble: the introduction of Americanism following 9/11 was an unfortunate downturn in the series, possibly motivated by the absurdly Americanized competing series, SG1. SG1 is so "go USA" I can't even watch it. Patriotism and sci-fi are just a terrible mix.

      .

    2. Re:Farscape not so great by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Quibble: the introduction of Americanism following 9/11 was an unfortunate downturn in the series, possibly motivated by the absurdly Americanized competing series, SG1. SG1 is so "go USA" I can't even watch it. Patriotism and sci-fi are just a terrible mix.

      Well since you are not watching it, you aren't qualified to comment. Sg1 is not so bad (perhaps because most of the crew are canadians) - sure its for american audiences and apparently you have to protray them as gods, but there is a constant undercurrent of "yeah right" :)

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  30. Firefly by notestein · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Sure, Farscape was ok. I'm sure I saw at least 20% of the episodes in a haphazard fashion.

    But Firefly. I did not miss a one. So of course it did not make it out of its first season.

    At least I can now preorder (due out Dec 9) the entire season from Amazon for $34. Plus extras!

    # DVD Features:

    * Commentary on Serenity Part 1 & 2, The Train Job, Shindig, Out of Gas, War Stories, Objects in Space, and The Message
    * Deleted scenes from Serenity, Our Mrs. Reynolds, Objects in Space
    * Featurettes: "Here's How How It Was" (making of), "Serenity: The Tenth Character," "Joss' Tour of the Set"
    * Alan Tudyk's audition
    * Gag reel
    * Joss sings the Firefly theme
    * Easter egg: Adam Baldwin sings "Hero of Canton"
    * Full-screen format
    * Number of discs: 4

    1. Re:Firefly by Blackneto · · Score: 1

      sweet.
      Thanks for the info.

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    2. Re:Firefly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may notice that there were only 12 episodes of Firefly, whereas there were 88 of Farscape. If you truly did see 20% of Farscape, then you've watched 5.6 episodes more of Farscape than you have of Firefly...

      If I had a point when I started out writing this post, it was lost somewhere in the process...

      Have a nice day.

  31. Have to agree by Kludge · · Score: 0, Informative

    There were so many Farscape stories posted on /., I figured it must be a good show, so I downloaded and watched the first 3 episodes. It sucked. Even my wife, who is much less discriminating, didn't like it. There must be a lot of people that enjoy bad sci-fi.

    Sorry.

    1. Re:Have to agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a lot better after the first season.

    2. Re:Have to agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are so many different people out there with different taste. I figure some people are just too thick to realise that.

      Sorry.

    3. Re:Have to agree by il_diablo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately, that's not going to give you the ability to appreciate the show. The first season, the entire cast was getting their legs and learning to work together. Ergo, the show was craptacular. The big draw of the show after season 2 was that the quirky humor started to gel, and the actors really got more into their roles. We actually started to care about them. Really, the first three eps are not the best way to get into Farscape. You'd be better downloading the "Best of" season n material.

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    4. Re:Have to agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mannnn Farscape is awesome... I want it back.. I way it finished was f*cked up! Please bring it back or make some mega film film or something

    5. Re:Have to agree by El_Ge_Ex · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I'm sure you're reading from other posts, Farscape was a show that didn't start out great, but developed into a great show over time (kind of the opposite of how most shows act.)

      -B

    6. Re:Have to agree by spoot · · Score: 1

      I agree with your agreement. I gave this show many, many chances. And I could never get it. As stupid as it could be, I would rather have seen Lexx been brought back from the dead.

    7. Re:Have to agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For starters, it's not really sci-fi, lets not kid ourselves here. If anything, it's fantasy, set in a quasi-sci-fi setting.

      What sets farscape apart is the characters and how they interact. I'm a big Star Trek TNG and DS9 fan, but you have to admit, many of the episodes and characters, even the bad ones, had hoytee-toytee, scooby doo personalities and endings. DS9 tried to get away from this a bit, but only half suceeded...

      Further, farscape is, well, more adult. There was an episode where their minds swapped - lame sci-fi, to be sure, but it was the first realistic switch show I've ever seen...

      Chriton got the body of the girl he liked, so naturally, he took the time to feel her (now his) breasts and so forth...to be even more realistic, I'd have chriton escape into a room and experience masterbation, female style - that would be adult realism - never mind the utterly silly and laughable idea of switching minds across alien species, etc.

    8. Re:Have to agree by willtsmith · · Score: 1

      If Farscape goes forward, they need to keep adding characters for sake of novelty AND variety. The stories are character driven.

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    9. Re:Have to agree by maxpublic · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'd rather get a bullet in the head than see something as horrible as Lexx revived. That show had some of the worst writing, plots, and characters ever conceived of and aired on public television.

      Lexx is the very definition of what *not* to do when creating a sci fi show, a contender with Rick "everything I touch I turn to shit" Berman's newest Star Trek embarrassment.

      Max

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  32. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    red dwarf was the best SCI-FI ever

  33. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, buttplug, hey said ANY sci-fi discussion, not just one about Farscape.

  34. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by buckeyeguy · · Score: 1
    Despite having watched most of at least three seasons of Farscape, I laughed my ass of when I saw that final scene. At the time, I thought, "So that's that, huh? OK, well at least they wrote off any chance of a sequel!"

    So, uh, given the last episode, how do they reasonably start up the story line again? Crichton and Aeryn are dust, and I'd certainly not watch the show just to see that annoying little muppet get fried next.

    If I wanted a flaky sci-fi series to come back as a movie, I'd want Lexx. They barely scraped the surface of what Zev/Xev could do ;)

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  35. Great News If True... by NormAtHome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's seems to be a lot of unanswered questions about if this is actually going to happen or not and Henson & Co. aren't talking...

    Truthfully I loved Farscape but I could also see where the show had serious problems. The major one being that the story arcs were so long and the stories so complicated (often based on things that happened in previous episodes / seasons) that it just couldn't attract new viewers.. I know that for a fact since I tried to get a lot of my friends to watch it and they always had a 1000 questions about why things were happening and why the characters were acting the way that they were which pretty much required giving them a two hour synopsis of every significant event from the last two or three seasons. So far everyone who I've loaned my season one and two DVD's to have really loved it once they managed to watch them all.

    The second problem is that the fourth season (for the most part) just plain sucked.. there were very few good episodes from the first part of the season but it really didn't get good until the last six episodes (I think the writers realized that they needed to pull it together).. I loved the last couple with Criton running around with the fusion bomb that had "Hi There!" (a reference to Dr. Strangelove) written on it strapped to him.. that made the rest of the bad episodes somewhat worth while.

    1. Re:Great News If True... by willtsmith · · Score: 1

      Unanswered questions are good. It gets people to watch the next episode (and re-runs) Open books are boring.

      The most successfull shows on TV (Soap Operas) have story lines that span years. The key is to keep adding new themes to drag in new viewers and keep things fresh.

      I'm waiting to see someone make a sci-fi soap opera ;-)

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    2. Re:Great News If True... by newbiefan · · Score: 0

      You are right. Sometimes the story arc becomes so long that it is not easy for new viewers to jump in. But that continuity and sense of character development is what creates dedicated fans for the show. That is what makes the show special and if you ask the people who watched it, they wouldn't have it any other way.

      --That is also what makes all of us fans feel cheated from the cliffhanger ending. We need closure and hopefully we will get it some day.

    3. Re:Great News If True... by anagama · · Score: 2, Insightful


      While the complex stories may make it hard to attract new viewers - that is the same thing that makes the show better than most others. It just has a lot more depth and history.

      Of course, I understand that to me, "good" means interesting/exciting/stimulating. To the studios, "good" only means they sell advertisements. I am looking for quality and depth - studios only care about the money. As a result, truly great SF shows are practically impossible.

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    4. Re:Great News If True... by Chmcginn · · Score: 1
      I'm waiting to see someone make a sci-fi soap opera ;-)

      Didn't you ever see Voyager? ;)

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    5. Re:Great News If True... by NormAtHome · · Score: 1

      Yes, absolutly true.. the complicatedness of the show was one of the things that made it great and I also wouldn't have it any other way but from a commercial standpoint what good is a show that can't pull in new viewers. Or if it does the number is so small that it can't be measured in the ratings, I personally don't believe that ratings are a good tool to decide how good a show actually is.

      Also I think a lot of people were hoping for a movie to resolve the cliffhanger but it would be impossible to have a two / two and a half hour movie that everyone would watch since the whole backstory would have to be explained for anyone other than existing Farscape fans to understand it.

    6. Re:Great News If True... by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      May I suggest you run, not walk, to your nearest video store and buy the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine DVD set?

      If you want the best from Soap Opera (long story lines, new themes and character development) in a sci-fi setting, this is the closest approximation you can get. In fact, it's whole Soap Opera character was what turned off a lot of hard-core Trekkies, so it seems that this is just what you're looking for.

      Mart
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    7. Re:Great News If True... by willtsmith · · Score: 1

      I liked DS9 A LOT.

      Voyager sucked MAJOR time. The plots were written by people with 5th grade science educations. DS9 was more of a political drama.

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  36. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by porkchop_d_clown · · Score: 1

    They were freeze dried, dummy!

    All they have to do is add water and, presto! instant sequel!

  37. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the Retard of the Year award goes to....

  38. You sir, are obviously an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nt

  39. Re:Sweet lord. by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah! I HATE it when people other than me get something that they want!

    You're not a very nice person.

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  40. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by willtsmith · · Score: 1

    They seemingly dissasembled Crichton and Aeryn. Of course both characters have been killed before ;-)

    Assuming that Chricton and Aeryn are permanently gone is like assuming the Picard is dead every time they disassemble him on a transporter pad.

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  41. w00t! by DCowern · · Score: 1, Funny

    Maybe now someone can write a ALF episode... I've only been waiting since I was 7 for it to come. I mean it's about time, the poor guy has been reduced to shilling for 10-10-220. :)

    1. Re:w00t! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha HA! I Kill Me!!!

    2. Re:w00t! by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      There was a TV movie a few years back called Project: Alf. The Tanners were in Iceland in the witness protection program (they weren't actually in the movie) and ALF was being held on an army base.

    3. Re:w00t! by digitalgiblet · · Score: 1

      Is it just me, or is Senator Lieberman the father from the Alf show? Every time he's on TV I expect him to start yelling at Alf to spit out the cat.

  42. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by TomV · · Score: 1

    Take off the 'to be continued' and you have a very Blake's 7-y ending, although in that case it was all but two of the regular cast who definitely got killed, and probably one more for good luck.

    Horrid at the time but after all these years very satisfyingly final and a logical conclusion to the series.

  43. $33.99 on overstock.com by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    Limited inventory, though.

    Link

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  44. get pilot laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    everbody has except him

  45. Re:I don't get it by Snake_Plisken · · Score: 1

    If you don't get the reference, then you don't watch the show. If you don't watch the show, why the hell are you posting on this thread?

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  46. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey dipshit, do you always respond so hysterically to trolls?
    I remember when I was raping you in front of your family at Thanksgiving and your father asked if he could be next.

  47. A reason to get cable again by FullCircle · · Score: 1

    I actually canceled my cable after Farscape was killed off.

    I guess now I will have to get cable long enough for the miniseries.

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  48. When does it get good? by Galvatron · · Score: 1

    I've downloeaded and started watching Farscape, since I missed it on air. I'm about 1/3rd of the way through the first season. Does it get better? I've been kind of underwhelmed so far (lacks the tightly interconnected storyline of B5, and not as interesting as TNG). So does it get better, or is this just not a show to my liking?

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    1. Re:When does it get good? by GlowStars · · Score: 1

      I'm about 1/3rd of the way through the first season. Does it get better?

      Yes, definitely. Farscape starts slow, but at the end of first season you'll be addicted.

    2. Re:When does it get good? by stealth.c · · Score: 1

      It gets far and away more complicated and involved as the seasons go on. It gets more serialized in Season 2; Season 3 broadens the scope considerably, and as you watch Season 4, you can feel the approaching series climax (which was originally intended to be at the end of a previously "guaranteed" Season 5). Throughout all of these, the psychological journey of John is (IMHO) the key part of the story's development and progression.

    3. Re:When does it get good? by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      It starts to climb uphill fast with the episode "A Bug's Life," which is something like 1.19, when the story line becomes pretty tightly integrated.

    4. Re:When does it get good? by anagama · · Score: 1


      I felt like you did - the early episodes are "OK". It picks up shortly and when it does, it blows everything else away. However, I've found it somewhat distressing to watch ST* anymore. Compared to Farscape, ST* has thinner plots, thinner characters, and is far less emotionally compelling. Had I never seen Farscape, I would never have developed this feeling about ST*. That is the only thing I'd warn about.

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    5. Re:When does it get good? by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 1

      Don't panic, it's not just you: the first 5-8 episodes were mostly pretty lame. The show didn't really hit its stride until about 2/3 of the way through the first season.

      Episode 16, "A Human Reaction", was where they started firing on all cylinders.

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    6. Re:When does it get good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Start with "Farscape: Undressed" which covers most of season 1 & 2 (I think) and then continue from there.

    7. Re:When does it get good? by jo42 · · Score: 1


      If you like the characters having more hissy fits and spewing gobs of anger, then yeah, it gets better, otherwise it sucks.

  49. Frelling awesome news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was crushed when I heard FS had been canned for the monetary problems of SF and EMTV. It hurt even more when I realized there would not be any resolution to series. I always believed though, that it would come back and be allowed the chance to finish the story. I'm thrilled that the planets seem to be aligning in a way as to allow that to happen.

    I don't watch much TV. I prefer to read or play PC games. When I do watch a series though, I only watch something with long story arcs, intelligent writing, clever dialog, and character development. (which is why I don't watch much TV) Babylon 5 and Farscape both fit this description are rare shows indeed. Like any series with an arc, you have to watch about halfway through the first seasons before they finally grab you. If you only watch three episodes, as one poster did, or watch a few episodes haphazardly as another mentioned, I don't think you will ever like Farscape or B5. If you think a show that fits the above description would appeal to you, and you have the time to invest, I think you would really enjoy Farscape.

  50. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so i'm sitting in my office (cube) yesterday and i feel a good fart coming on so i lift my left leg and let it blast. problem is, this fart brought a friend! there i am, sitting in the cube with poop in my shorts, shocked as hell. so i gotta make it to the bathroom while facing everyone i pass, cause i don't know what kind of damage has been done back there and i'm worried about something shimmying down my pants leg the whole way, but finally i make it in and bolt for a stall. let me tell you, it took a fuckload of tp to clean that mess up! i ended up ditching my undies since they weren't in any shape to come home with me.

  51. Greg Egan rocks.... by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

    ... so very, very, very much.

  52. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by buckeyeguy · · Score: 1
    Hmm, so they're out in the middle of nowhere, get violently disassembled (as opposed to a Picard transport, which is at least intended for some sort of reassembly), and the premise is that the baddies also intended to reassemble our heroes at a later time for who knows what purpose? I think that scenario would require the show to be named 'FarFetch' instead of Farscape. ;)

    Regardless, I'd still rather see a Lexx movie, with a rating of NC-17 or higher. If Xenia's not available, I bet Jaime Pressley would make a great Xev.

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  53. Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since it took ten minutes to load, this might be useful:

    Confirmed: Farscape Miniseries on the Way!
    The rumors are true...
    November 14, 2003 - As IGN FilmForce reported back in July, a new Farscape project is finally on its way. While an official announcement was postponed earlier this week, IGN FilmForce has learned that the production office in Australia has re-opened and work has begun on a new project.

    The Henson company would not comment on the information but a source close to the production has confirmed that the new project will be a miniseries, not a new season as originally hoped for by the fans. While no plot details are available, sources have also confirmed that the new project will be independent from the Sci-Fi Channel, the network that broadcast the series. No information is currently available about just where the new miniseries will be appearing or when.

    Obviously, this is good news for the fans that have fought so hard to bring the series back but there may be cause for guarded optimism. The miniseries is currently seen as a standalone project with no new episode commitment attached, so nothing is guaranteed beyond this project. More information as it becomes available right here at IGNFF.

  54. Firefly damnit! by dcmeserve · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    Deserved this way more than Farscape...

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  55. Alistar Reynolds by Coventry · · Score: 1

    I just finished Revelation Space and Chasm City (A related novel, but not a direct sequel or prequel to rev space), and I must say, these were the best novels sci-fi novels I've read in some time. Reynolds plays a little fast and lose with the explainations of the technology at times (usually writing it off as the POV character doesn't know the details) - but that only enhances the realism of the world, since the POV character is rarely someone who would know how things work.

    I'm going to buy the latest, Redemption Ark later today. It's still in hardback - but the wait to see what happens to the characters from Rev Space would be too long if I waited for a paperback. Normally I don't buy hardbacks...

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    1. Re:Alistar Reynolds by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      For much of the technology in Revelation Space, see its sequal Redepmtion Ark. It explains where the conjoiner drives came from, and mostely how they work and why only the conjoiners can make them. (I could tell you now, but I dont want to spoil, post back if you want to know.) The final book in the loose Revelation Space trilogy is out at the end of this month, and I recommend buying it.

    2. Re:Alistar Reynolds by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Sorry to reply again, missed this out on my last post. Redepmtion Ark is most definately out in paperback at the moment, it must be as I have it on my bookshelf at the moment in paperback format.

    3. Re:Alistar Reynolds by Coventry · · Score: 1

      It must be doing really well then - because all I can get ahold of are hardbacks, and I had to go to three bookstores just to find one in stock :) Good news for the publisher and the author. less than 30 days ago, each store which is now sold-out had many copies of Redemption Ark(hardback) and Chasm City in stock - I know this because I was hunting around for Rev Space, which everyone was sold out of at the time.

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  56. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by kalidasa · · Score: 1

    You obviously didn't listen to the audio. The command to the unknown alien is to RETRIEVE the trespassers. So when they're blown to bits, it's part of some kind of disable-and-retrieve weapon.

  57. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by mdwebster · · Score: 1

    Hell, that one's easy. Crichton's head contains the most valuable information in the galaxy: wormhole tech. And a reconstituted Aeryn is easier to use to manipulate him with.

    Maybe the deconstitute/reconstitute thing is just how they transport their prisoners around ...

  58. Let It Be. by FIT_Entry1 · · Score: 0

    Farscape ended well, it had a good run, I say leave it alone. There's nothing worse than a series that doesn't know when to die. Xena anyone? That series degenerated into campy musicals.

  59. 4-Hour Miniseries by kalidasa · · Score: 1

    Just closing out the cliffhanger that could have been eliminating in editing anyway. What Farscape really needs is a 22-episode 1-arc final season. But that isn't going to happen. Period.

  60. 1st season was good by silmarilwest · · Score: 1

    I absolutely loved the first season, watched the whole thing back when it was new, but I felt that the quality of episodes after season one consistantly declined. Action became very sketchy and plot was too contrived and predictable. Wish they could have continued with the quality of that fist season though, that was golden.

  61. Re:Who do I have to thank for this little miracle? by vsprintf · · Score: 1

    Hey, buttplug, hey said ANY sci-fi discussion, not just one about Farscape.

    Hey, genius, if he's annoyed by Farscape fans, why is he reading and posting to a Farscape article?

  62. DVD's out of order? by AGTiny · · Score: 1

    I've never watched Farscape and I want to start renting it from Netflix. But what's up with the weird episode ordering like Disc 1 has 1 & 7, 2 has 2 & 4, 3 has 3 & 6!? Are they out of order on purpose or do I need to watch them in numerical order by renting more than 1 disc at a time? That will really suck I think.

    1. Re:DVD's out of order? by forkboy · · Score: 1

      There are 2 different series of Farscape DVDs. The first set of discs is a "best of" collection that leaves a lot of crap out. Don't waste your time with them.

      The other series of discs is the complete episodic collection, but Netflix may not have it. I know it's available for purchase online, but I never saw it at Blockbuster, they only had the "best of" collection.

      If you have broadband and a vcd/dvd burner, every episode is on Kazaa in decent quality.

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  63. Cheap Immitation of Lexx by Baldrson · · Score: 1
    The original thinking was all done on Lexx, and even ignoring that, the writing on Lexx was so superior to Farscape as to make it painful to watch Farscape due to the inevitable comparison.

    Besides, my very non-tech girlfriend really likes Lexx and got bored immediately with Farscape.

    PS: Actually the idea of living starships was around for a while, going back at least to Jaques Vallee's "Fastwalker" and John Walker. I expect the Lexx guys picked the idea of a living starship from one of these sources.

    1. Re:Cheap Immitation of Lexx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I speak for everyone here when I say... What are you smoking, and where can I find some?

    2. Re:Cheap Immitation of Lexx by anagama · · Score: 1


      If I had mod points, I'd mod you funny. No way can I believe you're serious! ;-)

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    3. Re:Cheap Immitation of Lexx by thelexx · · Score: 1

      Stanley? Is that you?

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    4. Re:Cheap Immitation of Lexx by thelexx · · Score: 1

      Nowhere else will you hear, "You, my friend, are a leaking boil on the anus of a cancerous rodent, squeaking from a damp corner of oblivion!"

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    5. Re:Cheap Immitation of Lexx by satanami69 · · Score: 1

      "I can smell your funk, Stanley"

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  64. Re:Sweet lord. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mods, c'mon, honestly? How is bitching "informative"? "My God, Linux was horrible! please please please don't ever talk about it again." Mod me up.

  65. A Great Sci-Fi Website by ikariotis · · Score: 1

    Check out Orion's Arm. It is a pretty unique sci-fi website.

  66. Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Series 1 and 2, Great Season 3 was self-indulgent, Season 4 wasn't worth bothering about. Let it die and let us enjoy the episodes that were actually any good

  67. Was it really that good? Retro-TV campaigns ... by tyroneking · · Score: 1
    ... will ruin TV (and therefore, my life).

    After the initial shock I have come to accept the end of Farscape; and right now I really don't care if Farscape comes back. A previous poster got it right when indicating that Lexx was far superior to Farscape. I guess I didn't have it all in perspective (and Ben B didn't help when he kept talking about chainsaws being taken to Moya).

    What with the news of a new series of Dr Who, which was probably not that great after all and will not be any better now, I'm beginning to regret all the campaigns to restore the sci-fi of our past.

    Let Farscape, Dr Who, Blakes 7 (I know...), and Futurama (gulp) lie in our past and then maybe new, better stuff will come through.

    Hell, even the Lexx website (lexx.com) was better than the Farscape one - though lately they seem to have got rid of the robot head and the poems ... oh well; you'll have to trust me on that one ...

    "Anyway..." I said in an attempt to make my abrupt exit from the comment seem more amicable...

  68. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    interesting

  69. JTK by Baldrson · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I'm an Iowan -- not Newfoundlander.

  70. eh.. no Firefly... No peace... 8-) by IBitOBear · · Score: 1

    I liked Farscape well enough, I would even consider myself a fan.

    But from the moment Mal pushed that guy through the engine intiake on his ship I knew that Firefly was a better show. (e.g. if the two were scheduled against one another, I would have to choose the Fly...)

    So yea, I would be happy to see more Farscape, but the cancelation of Firefly should have caused riots... 8-)

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    1. Re:eh.. no Firefly... No peace... 8-) by dnahelix · · Score: 1

      "But from the moment Mal pushed that guy through the engine intiake on his ship I knew that Firefly was a better show."

      Interesting, that's when I decided it was drivel.

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    2. Re:eh.. no Firefly... No peace... 8-) by IBitOBear · · Score: 1

      Actually, the scene was a tad rough, but no more so than could be adequately ascribed to the newness of the show. The bigest technical flaw of the scene was the 3-d misplacement of the intake (it was too close to the loading dock ramp thingy in the CGI).

      From a pure character development and consistency standpoint, however, the scene was spot on. Given the "new old-west" angles to the world and all the backstory involved, all the actions were completely honest.

      Given that it was "the old west" and the chief thug of the local crime boss had just basically sworn that he was going to kill Mal and co (the last thing you'll see speach) the only "honest" thing to do would be to kill the thug.

      Multiply that by (everyone but Jane)'s desire to *not* have to kill the reset of the thuggs *and* to get the "you go your way and we'll go mine" message back to the thug crime boss, that quick action was decisive and highly "least harm".

      Multiply again by the "no body no compications" undertone of the presented (in)justice system being consistently presented.

      It was the exactly correct character action.

      From a production/presentation standpoint, that it was done with humor *and* regret kept the act from "over-hardening" the genere for the show.

      Compare it to Mal's later action (in like the last aired episode) when he *doesn't* flush Jane out of the lock. The entire byplay between Mal and Jane in that sequence, showed actual character development in both of them.

      That the producers were willing and able to envision their characters origins as "less than heroic" and allow those same characters to *evolve* without necessarily *refining* (e.g. all paries were not being inexorably drawn to a Star Trek ideal, nor frozen as Star Trek main characters [Jungian archtypes]) was, for TV, both daring and innovative.

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  71. Yeah bring back Firefly! by Snaller · · Score: 1

    As a series as well!

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    1. Re:Yeah bring back Firefly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We get it as a movie soon.