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How to Set Up a Gift Website?

falzbro writes "I'm considering giving my parents their very own website for the holidays. However, it's harder than anticipated to find any type of Content Management System whose intended audience is a computer illiterate family. I personally use Drupal for content and Gallery for photo albums, and frankly can't stand PHPNuke. The only features required would be a blog of sorts and a photo album. I can't be the first one in this predicament, can I?"

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  1. .mac by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you won't have the vanity of familysmith.com, but if your parents have a macintosh, iPhoto does makes web photo journals nice and easy.

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    1. Re:.Mac by BWJones · · Score: 4, Funny

      Get them an iMac with a .Mac account. It handles all your needs :)

      I second this. I purchased an iBook and a .Mac account for my sister who just had a kid so she could do just this sort of thing for family around the world so we can all see pictures of the baby. She is a complete computer novice, but her digital camera was immediately recognized so she could download pictures and then post them to her .Mac website so we can all see them. Additionally, there is/was a free iBlog program that came with the .Mac account.

      She tells me "I had no idea setting up and running a website was this easy. All that time you spent on your computer years ago entering all that HTML code was kinda wasted. Wasn't it?". I responded with something like, "uhhhhh, yeah. But back then....

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    2. Re:.mac by Aardpig · · Score: 4, Funny

      you won't have the vanity of familysmith.com

      Sod the vanity, that Kelly is HOT!

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  2. .Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get them an iMac with a .Mac account. It handles all your needs :)

  3. moveabletype by verch · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you want to give them blog functionality, I'm a big fan of moveable type : http://www.moveabletype.org

    I know lots of tech challanged people who use it for their sites.

    1. Re:moveabletype by morcego · · Score: 5, Informative

      Looking at the moveabletype website, I just noticed they saying:

      If you just want to get started with a full-featured weblog, we recommend TypePad, our simple weblog service, which is based on the Movable Type engine and requires no installation. TypePad weblogs are easy to customize and offer features like photo albums without requiring you to have a web server or any technical knowledge.

      Haven't tried it, but looks like just what you want.

      Link

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  4. Plone by Gunfighter · · Score: 5, Informative

    Try Plone. It's easy to install, works right out of the box, and has available blog and photoalbum modules that are easy to install and configure.

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  5. You gunna pay for it forever? by Kris_J · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Buying someone a service (or a pet) as a gift is, well, stupid is the most positive thing I can think of. Don't buy people things that need money fed into them forever.

    1. Re:You gunna pay for it forever? by MarkJensen · · Score: 5, Funny
      Don't buy people things that need money fed into them forever.

      Like a computer?

  6. Zope by The+Munger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Zope is a very powerful, yet friendly content management system. If you ever get beyond the basics of a bunch of text and images, it allows Python scripts. Zope is written using Python. Everything I've seen about it seems pretty nice, and I haven't heard a bad word against it.

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    1. Re:Zope by SlightOverdose · · Score: 4, Informative

      (woops hit submit by mistake)

      > First of all its interface is terrible, and extremely hard to customize

      Plone, CMF, CE ..... along with thousands of others. Need I say more?

      > For instance you can't really just write an HTML page and upload it and hope it will work

      Uh... yes you can. And when using a CMF based solution, it automaticall renders it using the default template and stylesheet.

      > I've never seen a photo-album plug in, and I expect one would be terriblely difficult

      A quick google search turned up quite a few. And if their wasn't, it would be trivial to whip one up in an hour or two.

      > Simple scripting is difficult. I wanted to add a simple Python script to a zope site, and there was almost no way to do it

      Python scripting is pathetically simple- My Mom could do it. To add a python script, just... add a python script from the content type menu. I dont see how that could be considered hard.

      Overall, I think your post is just a big Troll. IMHO Zope is, by far, the most powerfull solution for, well, anything to do with a website. ZPT Leaves ASP and JSP in the dust, and is trivially easy to use. I've trained several people how to use it in a matter of hours.

    2. Re:Zope by the_rev_matt · · Score: 4, Informative
      Zope is extremely powerful and flexible. Zope is an application server, it is not the complete solution on it's own. Your best bet for what you want to do is to use zope hosting someplace (I've used hurrah in the past and currently use Zettai, both are great) and get them to install (or do it yourself if you are comfortable with that) either Content Management Framework or plone and add the photo album tool and a blog tool (there are at least three). CMF/Plone provide a very user friendly interface for managing documents, photos, files, etc etc. Plone is built on CMF and basically adds more complex functionality to CMF. You can probably do just fine with the core CMF.


      Rolling your own blog tool with BlogFace is pretty straightforward, or you can use one of the custom blog tools (CoreBlog, PABlog*, or CMF WebLog). For a very simplistic blog, you can just use the built in "news" tool.


      *I wrote and maintain PABlog, I like it obviously. It doesn't currently work with Plone, CMF WebLog only works with Plone. CoreBlog is the most flexible of the three, as it runs on pure Zope, CMF, or Plone.

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  7. if you are made of money... by TedTschopp · · Score: 4, Informative

    Macromedia Contribute is right up your alley. $99 last time I checked. And very idiot proof.

    Check it out

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  8. Get them to change their name to 404 by corebreech · · Score: 4, Funny

    Then make up a URL and tell them it's their new home page.

    (and that if they want to change it that they'll have to wait till next X-mas.)

  9. Re:Your parents will hate you...NOT by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can think of nothing my mother would like more sort of me moving back home with the grandkids so she can have them everyday, in fact she'd prolly just have me ship the kids to her and the wife and I stay away....

    If the web site lets her see new pictures and print them, she'd giggle for weeks. The idea is fairly good I wonder if I could host somthing simple enough to allow the rest of the family to upload images, we've had lots of grandkids in the last 18 months. My grandmother can't use the VCR still but she can pop the memory stick from her camera into the printer we got her and her house is flooded with pictures or wee little ones doing cutsie things that only family members would appreciate or care to know about. The scary thought is getting busted for child porn for the shot of little jenny having her first bath or somthing like that...

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  10. Look around at all the perdy choices by Zapperlink · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.opensourcecms.com/

  11. Dear Sir and/or Madame by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Funny
    It has come to our attention that you are discussing the creation of an online gift site. We are required to inform you that our client holds extensive patents on not only online gift sites but the discussion thereof. Please cease and desist immediately. Thank you for your compliance.

    Sincerely,

    Amazon.com Legal Department

  12. Excellent Solution by shakamojo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Moveable Type is an excellent solution. Very user friendly with excellent online documentation. It's also easy to set up! I'd totally recommend it, I too have set it up for a few folks that aren't all that computer savvy, and they've had no problem using it to blog. There's also their pay service Typepad that is even more newbie friendly and requires no setup at all! Either of these solutions will do what you need.

  13. The easiest solution by skinfitz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have you considered just getting them socks or chocolate?

  14. Rethink this by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If your parents are as computer-unsavvy as you claim, they will not use this. Maybe, with your help, a couple family photos and a minimal blurb of self-awareness "Hey, this is our website and it works!"

    After that, it will be as static as if it were etched in a stone tablet. Any updates will be done by you when you're visiting, you'll show them how to update the site, they'll nod and smile, and then it will be etched in stone again until you come back.

    Just go ahead and buy them a new clock or a DVD player or a warm blanket. Better than saddling them with something that will be perceived as a responsibility and continual drudgery.

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  15. PHPnuke ? by HansF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jeez, what is PHPnuke doing mentioned in this post?
    Phpnuke is "a news automated system specially designed to be used in Intranets and Internet. The Administrator has total control of his web site, registered users, and he will have in the hand a powerful assembly of tools to maintain an active and 100% interactive web site using databases."
    So it isn't a wiki, it isn't a CMS, and it certainly isn't a blog. It's an open source project loosely based on the /. concept.
    Bashing PHPnuke in this post sounds too stupid to be true, it's like bashing MySQL for not being a good word processor.

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    1. Re:PHPnuke ? by MavEtJu · · Score: 4, Funny

      it's like bashing MySQL for not being a good word processor.

      Hah! Another piece of dirt I can throw at these mysql monkeys!

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  16. After hours of searching... by delfstrom · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've looked into all sorts of content management systems and have tried many of them out.

    You can see my review of CMSs as a presentation (PDF) here.

    Unfortunately just about all open source CMSs leave a lot to be desired in terms of out-of-the-box architecture and usability.

    • Don't use Plone/Zope, Drupal, Slashcode, etc. etc.
    • Macromedia Contribute, though $$$$, might be a good solution because you can lock them out from messing around with the site, but there is still a learning curve for newbies
    • Good blogging software like MT mentioned earlier would work well, along with something like Gallery for photos.
    • Quite frankly, Mac.com seems to be the best out there. It's really easy to use. Of course, you need a Macintosh to make it worthwhile, but it really seems to be a good solution for what you're looking for.
  17. .mac .mac .mac iBlog, Backup, Virex, iPhoto, iDisk by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Informative
    .mac is so seemless its absurd. With iDisk you almost cannot tell its a remote disk other than the speed. Everything about the user interface just makes it look like its part of the file system and FINDER that you know already. Panther takes it way beyond jaguar and light years beyong Goliath. its just so fast and robust now.

    .mac gives you iBlog software, backup software, iPhoto, and home page templates. Of these only the home page templates are primitive, but frankly you dont want to give illiterates to many choices. If they want more they can roll their own web pages.

    Also the .mac site also has other things like update software, sample tunes for your imovies and lots of stuff thats not just a collection of freebies but focused on assisting your mac in ways that are actually productive.

    No they dont have cgi, but you dont want that for your case anyhow.

    Dont say, well .mac is out of the question cause I dont have a mac or a free .mac site. for illiterates macs a re cheap compared to the training you would have to give these people to be as productive on any other computer. THROW the WIINDOWS machine on the trash and buy a used mac for them on e-bay--it's way cost effective.

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  18. What about blogger? by dirk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find it interesting that no one has suggested Blogger. While other tools are more powerful, for something simple, Blogger seems like the best idea. It is free, they can host it for you if you want, and it's even integrated into the Google toolbar. Nothing seems easier than just telling them to hit the toolbar and type in the window.

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  19. Re:Look around at all the perdy choices by Yggdrasil42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, not "all the perdy choices". OpenSourceCMS only shows PHP related apps, but it is an excellent site. You get admin access to all the cms apps they've installed. Do almost anything you want! It's just what I needed last week, while figuring out how to build a custom PHP-based CMS for a client. It's great to be able to try the other solutions first.

  20. RE: Mac, all the way! by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm going to "third" this suggestion!
    I just got home from a LONG day of doing on-site PC service, and the last 3 calls I've struggled with were the same old story. Clueless family orders high-speed Internet access and plugs cable/DSL modem straight into the back of the computer. A month or two later, system has slowed to a crawl and loses connection constantly. Web pages often produce "DNS error" messages. Pop up ads are out of control.

    Say what you will about the Mac, but none of this crap happens in the "Mac world". Not only that, but you get photo software that actually downloads images off their digital camera with zero pain and hassle (just plug the thing in and away it goes). You get easy web site creation via .Mac. You get iTunes and the Apple music store (start them out right, instead of trying to pirate music of questionable quality off Kaaza, Morpheus, etc.). And lastly, you get (at least in many major cities) a nice clean, store you can walk into and get a respectable amount of customer service and assistance. (Before you flame me on this one, I'm well aware of some of the horror stories. But *in general*, you're talking about a place that offers regular free training on their popular products, a "genius bar" that's there just so you can ask questions/get help, and more. Beats calling some 800# and waiting on hold for 40 mins.)