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Computer Folklore, Circa 1984

savetz writes "The full text of the classic 1984 computer book Digital Deli, The Comprehensive, User-Lovable Menu of Computer Lore, Culture, Lifestyles and Fancy, is now on the Web. (Autstralian mirror) A wonderful look at technology culture in the golden age of the microcomputer. 20 other old computer books are at the site, too."

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  1. Other books. by saintlupus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    De Re Atari.

    Holy shit.

    That was one of the first "serious" computer books I ever got -- I won a copy as a door prize at an Atari user's group meeting when I was about 12 years old. By the time I was done figuring out what all that crap in the back of Compute's Gazette was doing, my copy of DRA was so dog eared and broken spined that it couldn't sit flat on my desk.

    Good memories. Glad to see it's still around somewhere.

    --saint

  2. Full Book Text Online by SalsaFrontier · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I love how many books are becoming available in their entirety online. It gives an open-source advocate a warm fuzzy feeling.

    1. Re:Full Book Text Online by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Informative

      Damnit, for the last time, theft and copyright infringement are COMPLETELY different things!

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  3. Heh, Xerox by SirDaShadow · · Score: 4, Funny

    "X" is for Xerox: the word processor's friend. Even though your computer printer will gladly produce 340 copies of your 430-page report, it could have a coronary at the end. If you use a slow daisy wheel printer (one page every few minutes), this might take over two hundred days to print nonstop. A special benefit for dot matrix users is that xeroxing makes the dots fill in nicely to look more like letter-quality hard copy.

    Wow. One page every few minutes. And users complain because their laser printer takes 20-30 seconds to warm up...

  4. Wonderful stuff by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Love it: this book was published on the same year I graduated in CompSci and went into business as a programmer.

    Especially cool, the retro views on technology, I found. Yoda back strikes.

    Like the one on computer safety. I mean, how many people actually take a break every 30 minutes to avoid damaging their eyes?

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  5. Textfiles by Doomrat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://textfiles.com/ is another fantastic, wonderful resource and window into computer-ages long gone. Check out the top 100 - especially the Captain Midnight story. My kids will be getting this read to them before bedtime some day.

  6. The Secret Guide to Computers by jvschwarz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Secret Guide to Computers by Russ Walter was my personal old computer book favorite, I remember checking it out of the library, it had tons of great info about all different kinds of computers. Great writing sytle, kept your attention and was funny! I recall he had his home phone number in it too...

    I wonder if it's still published... off to Google!

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  7. Introduction to Networking (QUE) by Lobo_Louie · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have an old (~1994?) Introduction to Networking (QUE) text in which it says TCP/IP is a standard that will more or less fade because the DOD insists that future protocols comply with GOSIP (Government OSI Profile). Nice call QUE!

  8. 1984 has all the new tech by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1984 is not that old, the Mac and IBM PC were already out, for heaven's sake! 1984 is long after real classics like the Kim-1, Sinclair ZX80, and Apple II appeared. The real golden age of microcomputing was when you could fit the entire OS, basic interpreter and maybe a game or two into 8 K of RAM. Back then, a budding nerd could easily understand what every single chip and instruction did.

    Real men use PEEK, POKE, and GOTO!

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    1. Re:1984 has all the new tech by Basehart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Talking of 1984, and Mac, I was in a Bank Of America in downtown Seattle this morning and the customer service booth had a Macintosh Plus as its main console. I remarked on how cool it was to be using such a classic computer in such a modern banking environment to which the employee said "nah, we'll be getting rid of these old things next month".

      I asked if a new Mac would be replacing the old Mac they've been using every day for the past fifteen years, alas no. A Dell will be there for the next fifteen years, not a Mac.

  9. Fire in the Valley by Jonathan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1984 was also the year that the first edition of "Fire in the Valley" came out. "Fire in the Valley" was the the most popular history of the personal computer in the '80s. What was amusing in retrospect was that in 1984 we thought the history of personal computers was basically over -- personal computers had gone from labs and the garages of hobbyists to the homes and offices of "normal" people. Looking backward, of course, 1984 seems almost as remote as the introduction of the Altair in 1975.

  10. "Net Speak" by penguinboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Reading through this article, I spotted this bit:

    "Whenever there's a lull in the conversation, some fool Atari owner invariably throws out the telecommunications equivalent of "What's your sign?":

    WHAT R U ALL USING?

    Interesting to see that while parents today complain about their kids using incomprehensible speech in IM, their generatation was doing it 20 years ago (and it was just as looked-down on then).

  11. Oh, so that's what happened by ch-chuck · · Score: 4, Informative

    one mystery cleared up: I had always wondered how Byte Magazine, started by Wayne Green, ended up as his (ex) wife's property:

    Because he was in the middle of an IRS audit and did not wish to have his new venture involved, Wayne registered the magazine in his wife's name. As it turned out, this was a serious error. No one except those involved will ever know just what happened, but when the smoke cleared Wayne still had 73 magazine and his ex-wife, now married to a German gentleman, had Byte, with Carl Helmers as the editor.

    doh!

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    1. Re:Oh, so that's what happened by AndroidCat · · Score: 4, Informative
      It got stranger than that. Wayne Green was then going to start a magazine called Kilobyte. Byte, to block him, ran a really bad comic called Kilobyte and trademarked it.

      So Wayne Green started Kilobaud instead, and Byte dropped the comic right afterwards.

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  12. Whoa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    And with the introduction of Apple's next generation of easy-to-use 32-bit computers in the Lisa/ Macintosh series, the Apple culture seems destined to grow and flourish.

    I guess there was a time apple wasn't doomed.

  13. Great quotes from the past about the future by no_such_user · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The day local subscribers are offered digital phones is not far off. With divestiture, the offspring of AT&T can feel the hot breath of competition on their necks for the first time. These AT&T orphans will be offering a whole gamut of new products and services-lest someone else do it first.

    Answering the phone could become a major decision as you struggle to remember whose number is showing on the display and whether this person is owed any money.


    Not that there will be any real reason to leave the house. With the right peripherals, shopping will be no problem. Merchants will be able to fax their catalogs over the phone. And you'll be able to use the phone to make the bank transfers to pay for the stuff. Indeed, whole appliance factories could be rigged to "build on order."

  14. Bill Gates' article by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The book contains a short piece by Bill Gates (here: http://www.atariarchives.org/deli/soft.php) and reproduced below. It's an interesting read because I still hear him talk about similar themes even today.

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    Today's software is too hard. Usually designed to work well for any and all potential buyers, a few years and hundreds of hours of interaction later a software package will still interface with you exactly as it did at the time of purchase. Your special use may make some uncommon program command the one most often employed, but you'll have to punch any number of extra keys every time you invoke it. Today's software fails to remold itself to express a history of use, and this can lead to incredible inefficiency.
    There are programs that allow the advanced user to adjust default values, which are those responses the programmer decided would be most typical for users of a specific application when the software was first booted up. There are also programs that can store a series of often invoked keystrokes and can tell the machine to take the sequence you've named and perform it again. These keyboard macros, the most trivial form of softer software, force you to go through a special set of operations to enter and record changes to the program.
    Why shouldn't software automatically adapt to your needs, e.g., learn from experience to change the interpretation of a command, when this is done on a human level all the time? In-human-to-human communication, we adapt our terminology and our method of understanding to our previous history of interaction with each individual. There's no reason computer software should not be as flexible.
    "Softer software" is the term I invented to avoid using the poorly understood term "artificial intelligence." In fact, it is a form of artificial intelligence, though not like speech recognition or the expert data base systems that are based on specific algorithms and do not really learn dynamically. Softer software is capable of getting better and better because it has advanced pattern recognition capabilities and can change its performance accordingly.
    In general, making software softer requires storing information about a user's history of program commands and analyzing its patterns. This is a form of learning, since the software can build expectations of what the user may do later. Individual characteristics of users, what they're good at and what they're not good at, can be used to establish a reasonably unique dialogue with the computer.
    A data management program, for example, could recognize that you always query its files by employee name rather than by an individual's address or hair color. Taking advantage of this pattern and predicting what will be your most common operations on data, the program could customize its query file structure to put information within easier reach. Or maybe it could learn to be forgiving of your most common keyboard mistakes by ignoring misspellings.
    Software softness becomes very difficult when recognizing semantics rather than specific operations is required. Say you go into a document, move the mouse to bring the cursor to a certain position and make a word boldface, then go to another position and do it again. Instead of storing up the exact positions where this takes place and trying to match them to later entries pixel by pixel, you may want your software to draw the general conclusion that you boldface the first word in a paragraph and to position the cursor appropriately. Matching things, recording and playing them back at the semantic level: this is the hard part of softening software.
    It is possible to say that we have certain types of softness built into software today and that over time we will see a clear progression as programs record a greater number of user events, recognizing more general patterns and building up the dialogue throughout the computer's history. Truly softer software is still some years away, but we are on an evolutionary path where at som

  15. Interesting passage on Piracy by bogie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He sure was dead on about the future. Quote Below:

    They call us pirates and worse. They lock up their programs behind hardware and software schemes. They set the minions of the law upon us. And still we flourish by our wiles.
    Ahoy, ye microlubbers: to pirate a program is not to steal, but to liberate knowledge. We don't take money or goods from anyone; we merely free up information. Most of us don't profit from our buccaneering activities; instead, we share the wealth with our fellow computer users.
    The software moguls have only themselves to blame for our cracking open the bars to their programs. If they didn't charge a king's ransom for disks that cost a pittance to duplicate, there would be little incentive for us to practice our skills. There would be no need for them to protect their programs if software were no more expensive than what you and I can afford to pay.
    We are no longer in the Dark Ages of personal software, when so few people used computers that program development costs had to be defrayed by high unit prices. Now so many microcomputers are in use that a program should cost no more than a lightweight paperback novel. Instead, we are paying illuminated manuscript prices.
    Maybe someday the software publishers will understand how they're killing off the golden goose. But until that time, be warned: there will be many a pirate's flag on the software horizon.

    JOLLY ROGER

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    If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
  16. Wow...articles by Stan Veit! by jejones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mr. Veit was the original editor of Computer Shopper, which in the age before the Web was widespread was a moderately thick newsprint tabloid which covered a wonderful variety of computer hardware and software. By the time it was sucked up into the infamous Ziff-Davis machine, the PClone had largely won, but the Shopper still had several columnists in a "Classic Computers" section. Z-D put an end to that, making it a PClone-only rag that, while it was still useful for finding good deals and even, for a while, ran columns by Mr. Veit, had lost its soul.

    CS grew fat--I think I've saved one of the astonishingly heavy issues from the era of its maximum thickness--but the Web is finally killing it off, as it is now a vastly better and more up-to-date source of deals and prices than a dead-tree magazine can possibly be. The stray pontificators that write for it suffer from the same lag problems, and one is better off reading hardware sites, tech-related blogs, and sites like Slashdot. (Goodness knows that "The Hard Edge" suffers from the terminal self-indulgence that Strunk and White decry and that crowds out space that the column should devote to useful information.) CS is now a pale shadow of its former deforesting self, and I wonder how much time it has left as a dead-tree magazine.

  17. Interesting thoughts on the future by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's another prediction for the future that came true:

    From Computer Animation Primer (published 1984):
    By David Fox and Mitchell Waite

    Some of today's most sophisticated special effects utilize shading techniques. The use of transparency, surface detail, shadows, texture and reflections are more of an art than a science. Although it is difficult to imagine how these techniques will one day be simplified, it is almost certain that they will. Perhaps LSI chips (large scale integration -- the technique used to make microprocessors) will be developed that apply shading algorithms to user-generated scenes.

  18. Some great looks forward: by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It amazes me how thoroughly 1984's personal computer futurists missed the idea of an internet. From one of the articles:
    • When it comes time to list the century's great orphaned ideas, the computerized checkbook will rank with the lava lamp. I can't remember the last time I wrote a physical check to pay a bill.
    • "Family budget spreadsheet" programs exist because somewhere along the line software makers got confused between "the American family" and "the limited partnership." Quicken. Quicken Quicken Quicken.
    • Next we come to the computerized electronic calendar...If I relied only on what I could put in an electronic address book, my personal relationships, would fall apart. The other problem, of course, is that electronic address books don't fit in your pocket. Not only did he miss the PDA, he cited the reason he missed the PDA.
    • A subset of this silliness [on-line chatting] involves phone-line news services... At the average rate of $25 per hour, you can order up in just a few hours the equivalent of a year's subscription to the New York Times, which gives you grocery coupons and stuff with which to line bird cages. Hoo boy. I pay about $50/month for good DSL and read the news from five different sources every day, cross check two or three different weather reports, and waste unlimited amounts of time here. This guy didn't just miss the Internet, he missed BBSes.

    I'm wondering which of today's slammed-on technology waves will actually take hold ten years from now. If I could figure it out, I'd be rich enough to pay somebody to waste time here for me.

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