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Mozilla Thunderbird 0.4 Released
Random BedHead Ed writes "The latest release of Mozilla Thunderbird, the standalone Mozilla mail program, has been released and is available for download here. A quick scan of the release notes shows some new improvements and features, including a new look, bug fixes, and for Linux users the ability to click on a URL in an e-mail and have it actually launch in your default web browser (how novel). Download and enjoy..."
Coding and review is currently being done on extending the spell check component to work in broswer windows. So not there yet, but it's on the horizon.
Mozilla itself (haven't tried thunderbird yet) plays nicely with Exchange. Use IMAP to read the mail, set the SMTP outbound to be the exchange server and pull in the address book using LDAP.All available through the normal settings dialogs.
Its faster than using outlook to search through emails but there is the downside of missing meetings because the calendar isn't supported.
Thunderbird can use IMAP. I do it at home.
Even though IMAP is not Exchange's native language, i have seen some Exchange servers running an additional IMAP service. So you may be lucky.
But doesn't Deutsche Banke have an opinion regarding employees installing unapproved software on the company's computers? I would certainly hope so, even if it means that you can't use a proper mail client.
Although it is in 0.4, THunderbird is really vary stable
It was already pretty stable even at 0.1. I mean all it was was a fork of the Main Mozilla mail-news code into a standalone program.
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Thunderbird 0.4 finally adds an optional extension to sync the Thunderbird address book with your PalmOS based handheld. Grab it from here.
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2) Apples and Oranges, POPFile isn't a spam filter, it's an email classification system.
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No, the difference here is that with Microsoft products you don't see the development process.
This is version 0.4 remember? Look at that number... do the developers think it's finnished? Even half-finnished?
Install a nice linux desktop with Evolution/KMail + any browser and everything will be at least as integrated as on Windows.
I was lazy and used Outlook Express for email, plus an old Hotmail account hanging around. After working with Firebird betas for awhile I gave Thunderbird a try and have used it ever since, even tapping into my Hotmail with the free and excellent Hotmail Popper. Unfortunately only for Windows, but still and excellent companion to Thunderbird. (Also works with any POP email client) And thankfully once Hotpop downloads the msgs the TBird spam filter goes into effect.
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In "Tools"->"Options"->"Advanced" you will find a checkbox for "Block loading of remote images in mail messages" :-) This option has been present for a long time (at least as long as I've known about Thunderbird) :-)
I use Thunderbird at the office against an Exchange server. It doesn't interface with Exchange calendaring (at least AFAIK), but the mail works great. Set it up as a IMAP client. You can get the settings from your Outlook install.
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Does anyone know if or when Thunderbird will support either an Emacs mode or configurable bindings without editing the source code? I seem to recall somewhere in some Mozilla manifesto that Emacs bindings were supposed to take precedence. Thunderbird has a fine set of keybindings, but it's nothing like Emacs.
Yeah, here it is:
When these two bindings conflict (as in ctrl-A or ctrl-H), the emacs binding wins.
Not that I'm saying they should necessarily make this the default, but the above implies they recognize how large the Emacs userbase is; it would be nice to at least be able to configure it myself without having to recompile.
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hotwayd lets you access a hotmail account through any mail client on linux. What it is is a local POP3 server that translates the POP requests into Microsoft's Hotmail protocol.
OS/program routines that add to the robustness of any system also take a toll on OS/program speed.
This was being worked on as an extension to Thunderbird. It uses the Mozilla Calendar as the basis for adding a calendar in to Thunderbird.
...unfortunately November 19 was the last time the site was updated and it is not even workable on 0.4.
Firebird simply doesn't have as much linux developers. That's the thing with open source, you can't assign work to your developers. It's one thing saying "firebird needs to be optimised for linux/X", and a whole other thing to actually do it.
... NOT.
What I can tell you though, is that despite firebird being slower on linux than on windows, it's not noticeably slower (for me anyway). And in addition, it is a fast browser, even on linux. On windows it even whoops IE's ass in various benchmarks. A lot of people have misconceptions about firebird's rendering speed because they're used to IE's render-as-soon-as-data-arrives model of updating the screen, which starts sooner, but ends later. If you want that in firebird, type about:config and set nglayout.initialpaint.delay to 0. One more thing: I have a pII/233 that I run firebird on. It runs at a usable clip, even on such a low-end system.
And obviously, whenever a graphical application is slow, it is X's fault
For anyone still running glibc 2.2.5, try the French language release. It still works. Open with "thunderbird -UILocale en-US -contentLocale en-US" and it will start with English. You can download the French release at contrib-localized and it will go up in a few days. You can also find the old 0.3 release in contrib-localized.
I use it serveral times every day in a production environment. I switched from outlook express and i am very happy with it. I use a utillity called thundertray to hide/show thunderbird. At home where i use linux i use Kmail which i also think is an excelent mail program ut im thinking of switching to thunderbird on linux to so i use the same client at work and at home.
Thnaks for a great product thunderbird team!
I would assume this is a place to store things locally.
>Even though IMAP is not Exchange's native language
.4 are much welcomed and tb has been my prefered email client for a few months now.
Mail severs don't really have native languages. Exchange supports protocols just like any other mail server. POP3, IMAP, and MAPI.
I use tbird with Exchange and have no problems with IMAP nor with IMAP over SSL (which Exchange supports too). I just generated a non-authorized SSL cert and off I went.
A couple problems/issues:
Tbird does not support NTLM authentication, so if you're using IMAP or POP your password will be sent as plain-text unless you use SSL.
Microsoft really half-asses IMAP. If I open my contact folder and open a contact, I get a blank email. Same with notes. It doesn't seem like it would be much trouble to just deliver the ascii format of those contacts and notes in the body of the email.
That said, the changes in
I would still like to see something other than "Catching up with Microsoft" in the future. How about integrating with gpg and having an easy to use GUI to encrypt messages. Currently, you have to get gpg, install enigmail, and pray. A built-in encryption module could really help push encryption onto the masses.
Or even an installer for win32. (there's an unofficial installer btw)
Sounds like a scheduling/latency issue. Try renicing X to run at -5, or upgrade to a test version of kernel 2.6, where a lot of the latency/sluggish feel of X in general will be mitigated, if not disappear completely.
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Like this? It is a little slow at the moment but works very well.
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The way I understand it, all that would do is teach your Bayesian classifier that HTML tags are slightly junkish: they show up in some junk messges and (presumably) some good ones, but HTML on its own = junk.
So if you get an HTML email from a friend, the presence of (e.g.) your name and theirs should outweigh the "junkness" of the HTML, and it won't be marked as junk. But if you get HTML spam then the presence of words like "click here" should keep the balance on the "junk" side.
Bayesian sorting really is amazingly "smart" at stuff like this.
Hold shift when you click new/reply/whatever
But it works now.
Thunderbird controls image requests using two methods:
1. (default) All mail classified as spam has images turned OFF; all non-spam mail allows images
2. You can turn off ALL requests
Also, it looks as though some HTML is disabled for spam messages.
Mozilla Calendar really needs to be folded directly into the Thunderbird system. People want a calendar in their email client, and that's that. The sooner this is done, the sooner Thunderbird can start kicking Outlook's butt.
The place where Mozilla Calendar is a bit weak right now is its server support. Sure, you can publish and subscribe using WebDAV, but that's not the same thing as having a true server-side calendar. And you still can't send and receive meeting invitations, or check other users' free/busy times.
Fortunately, there is a group at Penn State working on fixing this. They're writing a new calendar API that can be used to hook into arbitrary servers. That means that modules will be able to be written for any back end, such as Citadel, Sun calendar server, Kolab, or whatever else appears out there in the future.
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I use Thunderbird to check my Hotmail account through a tool called Hotmail Popper. This tool may run into difficulties when the Hotmail site changes its look in a few weeks but right now it works great and I don't have to deal with opening a browser for some mail and a local client for others.
Not sure what operating system you use, but give poco mail a try. It's been my mail program for ages now on my windows box, and it's damn near perfect. Have a look here for a list of some of the features available. And with pocoscript there almost nothing you can't persude pocomail to do.
There's no handy preferences/tools menu option to set this in Mozilla, but it's still pretty easy to enable in Windows (tested on Win2K, Moz 1.4.1):
- Double click this config entry, and change the value from false to true
- Browse to the URL "about:config" (no quotes, of course)
- Under the filter entry at the top of the page, enter "mailnews.message_display.d". This will give you a single config entry, "mailnews.message_display.disable_remote_image"
- Close and restart Mozilla, open an email that previously had an image, and voila, it won't display. Note that this only works for remotely-served images. Other HTML elements (tables, forms, text) will still be served, it appears. Still, this'll take care of those annoying hidden gifs in spam mail, as well as the enormous HOT WET TEENS NOW images in pr0n spam.
On second thought, I kinda liked the pr0n...
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If you use it to send messages to news groups, it will store them in Local Folders -> Sent
It can also be usefull tu copy usefull news group threads.
The Thunderbird page states "Red Hat Linux 7.0 and higher", which is of course bullsh*t:
./run-mozilla.sh thunderbird-bin /lib/libpthread.so.0: version `GLIBC_2.3.2' not found (required by ./libnspr4.so)
~/thunderbird >
thunderbird-bin:
I wish they'd either build it against 2.3.1 or change the posted system requirements... One can find versions built for older GLIBCs if one want's to trawl the fora and newsgroups...
Nice app, otherwise.
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Once GRE comes out, this problem will hopefully be solved because any application based on Gecko/XUL/XPCOM will be sharing a single instance of GRE installed on the machine.
sure I'll have a sig.
It wonder if your Exchange version is older than ours. Ours gives you a link at the bottom of each email related to a meeting that when clicked on cranks up the Outlook Web Access (OWA) calendar. You can create meeings via OWA, but it is much harder then just cranking up Outlook. I usually leave Outlook running in the background so that meeting announcements and such works, and in case I need to set up a meeting. Of course, a tip that has worked for a long time is if you get an e-mail with the telltale meeting strings in it (~*~*~*~*~*~*), then just copy it to your Calendar folder and it will get put onto your calendar.
That said, one of my (few) complaints with the monolithic Mozilla suite is that the Preferences dialog buries useful stuff like that where you might not expect it. Thankfully, that's one of the things that's been revamped in Firebird/Thunderbird.
I just set up a filter for each account to move a message into the "Local Folders" Inbox when a subject *isn't* "mkrfmkkvkve" or something. This goes below the spam filters etc. and works very well here!
The thread view is sorted by thread and then time, at least in 0.4, and I think it always has been.... ;)
Also, since the spam filter is Bayesian, it's going to not work properly if you get lots of messages that aren't spam but have spammy titles. I don't know if that's your case or not.
Regarding the other things, I have no idea.
Now if only they managed to include my main reason why I miss Eudora: manual filters. If you agree please vote for bug 183929 (paste this link http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183929 ): add manual option to filter.
They've got "filter after the fact" in place more than a year ago, but they forgot to make it useful by adding manual filters. It's a shame that such helpful functionality can't be used.
I installed Thunderbird after it was last mentioned on Slashdot. One thing I found is it is a great way to backup mail from Outlook Express. You just delete the Thunderbird data (read the help file) and the next time you start it, it asks you if you want to import mail. Just click the Import option for Outlook Express, and it takes all the mail in OE and imports it into a plain txt format that, if all else fails, you could use Notepad to read (unlike OE, which would take an act of Congress to read if for some reason the data files were separated from the OE program).
As far as using Thunderbird full time, I would like to, but I actually have several years of e-mails stored in OE and when they are all imported into Thunderbird, it sure makes the old bird fly slow.
Note I also use e-Backup from http://www.inachis.com/index.htm to backup and restore an OE mail database. It has worked great and it is pretty good at replicating an OE setup between different machines as well (e.g. backup your home machine and restore it at work).
Yes, I am a microsoft basher and I'm wanting to move to Linux in the next year or so, but I will confess, outside of the virus thing, OE isn't as bad as some people make it out to be.
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One thing I forgot to mention when using Thunderbird to backup OE e-mail. If you use the method I mentioned above to import the mail, it will only import the mail from the default OE e-mail account. Since we have multiple users, you would actually have to change the default account for each account you wanted to import. One thing that would be very useful would be for Thunderbird to ask which identity it wanted to import!!!
But still, it is free...so it is hard to complain too much.
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The answer is simple.
The old mozilla that you know is going to be discontinued soon enough. Firebird and Thunderbird will be replacing it.
While mozilla is still being developed there is not too good of a reason to use FB/TB. You will not save much in terms of memory or gain much in terms of performance. That's okay though.
The purpose of this split is so people who _don't_ want both can have just one. These people will see a significant reduction in memory usage and gain in performance.
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It's a little of both, actually. The SeaMonkey back-end code is still used (there is no sense in re-writing stable, proven code for POP, IMAP, preference handling, etc) but it shares the new lighter-weight Firebird GUI code. You'll note that if you compile Thunderbird, the MailNews directory is built (where all the back-end code lives). The one extra directory, mail, is the new GUI and any code specific to the functionality of Thunderbird.
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It does have S/MIME. See Tools | Account Settings | Security.
Disclaimer, I use this all the time and it works, but I'm running Win XP.
Paul Graham's ideas have undergone a lot of improvements. Some of the best improvements and tweaks have been implemented by the SpamBayes project. Their Outlook plugin makes Outlook the best spam solution that I have seen (better than SpamAssasin).
I don't know if it will help, but you can vote for the bug to improve Mozilla's spam algorithm.
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