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Officials secretly RFID'd at Internet Summit

ewoudenberg writes "A Washington Times article reports that researchers managed to gain entrance to the Internet and technology conference in Switzerland last week only to discover that the summit's badges contained undisclosed RFID chips. The badges were handed out to more than 50 prime ministers, presidents and other high-level officials from 174 countries, including the United States."

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  1. Cool. by torpor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Politicians should be made to wear RFID's from the day they enter office in service of the public, to the day they leave that office.

    "For the people, and of the people" can only be effective if the people keep a track on such people with power ...

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    1. Re:Cool. by Zebbers · · Score: 2, Interesting

      umm
      what use would the RFID be? it doesnt permit tracking a 'la gps...which would really be the only reason to take a 'politician'.

      I despise the political system and politicians too...but that really isnt an insightful comment. A politician has a job, just like you. Should you be bagged and tagged to make sure you arent talking to competitors.

      And besides whether we should...like I said, you must not understand RFID cause it would be useless to track people outside of a small, definitive area.

    2. Re:Cool. by torpor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A politician has a job, just like you. Should you be bagged and tagged to make sure you arent talking to competitors.

      A politicians job is far more important than mine. It has its risks, it has its responsibilities.

      Politicians should be held accountable for every single thing they do while they are on the job. Its the only way to ensure we -the people- don't get screwed ...

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    3. Re:Cool. by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They do have a private life, you know.
      It is not our concern who they sleep with, eat with, talk to in their personal time.
      It is not because they hold a public office, they don't have a right to privacy.
      Everything that doesn't influence the execution of their mandate is not our concern, and should remain private.
      Public life != Big Brother

    4. Re:Cool. by Handpaper · · Score: 3, Funny
      It's 01:30. Do you know where your Congressman is?

    5. Re:Cool. by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Many people are closely monitored in the workplace. Why should politicians be any different?

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    6. Re:Cool. by kommakazi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Clinton "deserved" it like you say, why the hell is GWB still in office? He's outright lied and misled the public countless times about issues that actually matter and really do have a huge effect on the country and world at large. Yet there's not been any call for impeachment hearings...God the American public is fucking stupid.

    7. Re:Cool. by indianajones428 · · Score: 2, Funny
      It's 01:30. Do you know where your Congressman is?


      Why, he's right there in my crosshairs...


      Seriously, wouldn't this be too much of a security risk, even if it's just in one building and not everywhere they go?
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    8. Re:Cool. by Scudsucker · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've got a Webster's Dictionary sitting in front of me that was published before the Clinton administration.

      That's why its called splitting hairs, my friend. Some dicionary's have 50+ definitions of the word "set", does that mean I'm lying if I use it in one connotation, without mentioning the 49 others?

      Yes, he was, per my point above.

      No he wasn't, as the other poster proved.

      We just had a case locally where a cop was getting BJs in return for not issuing tickets. (Again, power over powerless). Turns out there were over a dozen different women before one finally turned him in. I see very little difference between that and what Clinton was doing.

      Except that all of those instances are illegal. Consensual sex with a person of age is not. As it wasn't an illegal act, and consensual sex is not harrassment, there was no purgery. And from all reports, its seems that Monica is the one who came onto Bill, not the other way around.

      How many women did Clinton really take advantage of using his positions as Governor and then President?

      Zero, probably. No, seriously, think about it for one single second. Congresss investigated him countless times. A couple of independant prosecutors investigated him with unlimited time, unlimited staff, unlimted budged, unlimited resources (the Starr investigation spent something like $60 million alone). All these people went over every single spec of dust in Clinton's adult life with an electron microscope, and the worst thing they can come up with is making misleading statements about their sex life? Would you look as good after being investigated so throuraly? Would anyone? Hell, lets be fair and spend $60 million frikkin dollars investigating every public official, starting with George Bush. Lets investigate his rumored cocaine use, the time he skipped out on his military service, the rumored abortion for a pregnant girlfirend, and his rumored shenanigans at various energy companies. All of those things are illegal; getting a BJ from a consenting adult is not.

      Bullshit.

      Eat it.

    9. Re:Cool. by idlemachine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apparently the Australian truth in advertising laws were modified to explicitly exclude politicians from being held accountable to them. Then again, they're also allowed to edit the *official* records of Parliamentary proceedings, just in case they ever stumble during a speech and actually reveal their true intentions. The more power and responsibility you have, the higher the level of accountability should be that comes with it. That we constantly absolve our politicians in this way just makes me think we're all fully aware that the way it is and the way we *say* it is are two completely different positions.

    10. Re:Cool. by gujo-odori · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However, since his sex life had nothing to do with his job as President, I think he's entitled to lie about it, because IMHO the question should not have been asked.


      I'm a Republican, and did think the whole impeachment thing was a waste of everyone's time and money and shouldn't have been done. Richard Nixon took actions worthy of impeachment; Bill Clinton did not.


      However, I don't think it's justifiable to say that what happened with Monica Lewinsky was his own business and he had a right to lie about it.


      First of all, it happened in the oval office. If I had sex with someone on my employer's premises, whether it was during business hours or not, I assure you that they would take interest in that, would have a right to question me about it, and would most likely fire me. Therefore, you can't defend his lie by saying "It was his personal life, so he had a right to lie."


      If it happend in the residence section of the Whitehouse, you might be able to make that claim, but since it happened in the oval office, it means he not only had sex on company premises, but he was on duty at the time. IIRC, he even made a phone call to some member of the House or Senate while he was getting knob schlobbed under the desk by Monica. That makes it very much the public's business, and I certainly think a letter of censure was in order. It's only impeachment that was a bit much.

  2. They Got Him! by bruthasj · · Score: 4, Funny

    With RFID.

    Note for the humor-impaired: this is a joke.

    1. Re:They Got Him! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, one can hope that Ossama bin Laden got to this conference too. It might help the CIA to get him too ;o)

  3. New terrorist spying method by brian728s · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lightbulbs are now being labeled a terrorist device, used to spy on people and documents at places including the pentagon, the whitehouse, and even the United Nations building. Hackers used the light bulbs to send out light, which when intercepted by their illegal hacker tools called "eyes", can identify diplomats, and read classified documents. Americans can rest assured that their safety is being protected by operation "hammerbulb". Democrats are concerned about a lack of hammers to complete the operation, but administration officials assure them that rocks can be used if the shortage proves true.

  4. Privacy by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    They met to discuss privacy matters on the internet (among other things).
    I wonder what their policy will be?

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  5. Welcome Welcome to to Slashdot Slashdot by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Redundant

    I know the Slashdot editors don't read the story submissions, because my earthshattering submissions are never accepted. But do they even read the Slashdot homepage? They might notice duplicate stories.

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    1. Re:Welcome Welcome to to Slashdot Slashdot by maelstrom · · Score: 2, Informative

      CmdrTaco hasn't read this site in years.

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    2. Re:Welcome Welcome to to Slashdot Slashdot by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Funny
      I'll bet it would be possible to use a spam-filter-esque system to compare the text of the articles....

      I bet it would be possible to check the spelling of the articles posted using a "spell checker". I recall using one in the late 70s on my student Unix system.

  6. We don't need no stinkin badges! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Badges? We don't need no stinkin badges!

  7. Good. by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope the media catch hold of it and hype it to hell and beyond. Get some high-flying politico commentators saying how they should have been informed.

    Understanding about fire being hot often comes after one has been burnt. Perhaps they'll feel that they shouldn't be "spied on" without their knowledge. Perhaps it might influence decisions they make in future...

    Simon.

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    1. Re:Good. by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good luck.. they (the politicians) will mostly complain about THEIR privacy, citing matters of national security. The people's privacy will always be watched in some way or another due to the need of "a general well-being".

  8. watching you watch me by segment · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Washington Post has their own agendas politically when it comes to reporting. Sure it's pretty shitty to be monitored, but there is nothing stating that any information used was used for anything other than maybe for the sake of having some card manufacturers new card being tested.

    Remember intelligence agencies from all over the place keep tabs on each other via other means (ECHELON, HUMINT, OSINT, IMINT, SIGNIT), so I doubt this was anything to be concerned with. Strictly something `chick' to report on. It's far more easier to set up assets to bang (screw/lay/fsck) one of these guys for info, than it would to keep watch of what they do.

    User gets in car to go to summit, user's Eazypass or other form of cardpaymentsys tracks what exits he uses via tolls paid. User stops at gasoline station, credit card is used, card information is transmitted. User talks the beltway, cameras capture this. Get the picture? Everyone else sure did. Again other than this being all the rage (RFID's) I doubt it was something major, but surely someone with agendas sees it to be so. When they can produce something absolute that was used with this information, not just 'oh my look at this an RFID story' than I'll worry.

    PS... Proof doesn't mean `hey we're the Foobar Newspaper

    1. Re:watching you watch me by grondu · · Score: 2, Informative

      Washington Post has their own agendas politically when it comes to reporting.

      The link is to the Washington Times , not the Washington Post.

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  9. Summary by FTL · · Score: 3, Interesting
    To summarise the article, a group of reporters were pissed that they weren't invited to attend the conference. They disected a security card, and found (shock, horror) that it contained features designed to maintain security at said conference. Since this is the only dirt they managed to find, they spin it up into a sky-is-falling end-of-the-world privacy story.

    I'd have a lot more respect for activist reporters if they would report the facts without hype. It's not the second coming, it's possibly a minor infraction of the Swiss information laws.

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    1. Re:Summary by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 5, Funny
      To summarise the article, a group of reporters were pissed that they weren't invited to attend the conference.

      That's no surprise. If I recall correctly, the G7 summits are intended to be discussions on global economic policy, to which none of the affected people (pretty much everybody but government officials) are ever invited. (In fact, I don't hear of many economists going to those conferences either; if I'm wrong, please correct.)

      As for press not getting in, sure you may loathe muckraker reporting (many people do), but sometimes there's just too much muck to allow to pile up. Do you really want your government to be deciding elements of policy without any input from its constituency? That's becoming the norm, and guerilla reporting may soon be the only way the operation of said government can come to light.

      They disected a security card, and found (shock, horror) that it contained features designed to maintain security at said conference. Since this is the only dirt they managed to find, they spin it up into a sky-is-falling end-of-the-world privacy story.

      Yeah, I see where the article could sound like sour grapes. But then there's something to be said for the irony of the situation, and I'm glad that someone was in there to highlight it.

      1. Government officials attend privacy and security conference.
      2. Reporters crash privacy and security conference, demonstrating lack of security.
      3. Reporters analyze badges from privacy and not-security conference and find RFID tags, demonstrating lack of privacy.
      4. Article about lack-of-privacy and not-security conference reaches the public.
      5. ???
      6. Privacy!!

      I'm not perfectly sure, but I think that next-to-the-last step should be Citizens of the world slap their respective governments upside the head and scream "What were you goobers THINKING??"

      At least, that's my take on it...

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    2. Re:Summary by Ironica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      a group of reporters were pissed that they weren't invited to attend the conference.

      And from the article, there's no indication that they're the same as the group of researchers who snuck in.

      They disected a security card, and found (shock, horror) that it contained features designed to maintain security at said conference.

      If that's what it was for, how come the security people couldn't tell them that? I'm glad you were able to get more info out of them than the researchers were.

      Since this is the only dirt they managed to find, they spin it up into a sky-is-falling end-of-the-world privacy story.

      The fact that they faked their way in so easily was the first bit of dirt they dug up. The fact that there were undisclosed monitoring devices in the badges was the next. The final blow was that they couldn't get any info from security about the monitoring, and basically that the conference violated at least three privacy laws in the current jurisdiction.

      And that if this is how it goes in Switzerland, how will things go in Tunisia next year?

      If you figure it's no biggie, maybe you're right. But then again, if we send a bunch of prime ministers and other politicos to all congregate in a single place, and then we put tags on them so that we know their comings and goings, and who is talking with whom, and then we don't have any apparent plan to purge that info at any point... how easy will it be for every terrorist in the world to strike against their least favorite government at next year's conference? This seems vaguely important to me.

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  10. Countermeasures by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if someone is goign to make a killing by selling little RFID chip & reader detectors. Richard Stallman suggested RFID detectors and destroyers as a challenge for privacy adocates. Perhaps clothing with conductive/dissapative threads will be the next fashion trend (just don't count on your cellphone ringing if its inside your pocket ;) ).

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    1. Re:Countermeasures by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well how about just some way I can find my keys and television remote control.. That alone would make this technology the best thing since sliced silicon.

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  11. Privacy issue, or planning aid? by xplenumx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would think that the information provided by the RFID tags would be invaluable - not in terms of violating privacy but for the planning of future conferences. I'd gladly wear RFID chips in my conference badge if it lead to improved trafficking for future conferences. One doesn't attend conferences for the privacy.

    1. Re:Privacy issue, or planning aid? by Dashing+Leech · · Score: 3, Insightful
      One doesn't attend conferences for the privacy.

      So, if you spent 2 hours in the bathroom with bad diarrhea, you'd have no problem telling them if they asked you why you were in there for so long and why you missed a few sessions? Is that it, every minute of your day there is open for anyone's scrutiny? (That is, anyone with access to an RFID tracker.)

  12. oh no! we know now... by Zed2K · · Score: 2, Funny

    That someone hit the bathroom at 12:30pm and then again at 3:30pm. They also exited the room for a smoke break after their bathroom break. Oh and don't forget the super secret buying of a Snickers bar at 3:35pm.

  13. WTF, Over... by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe its just me, but this seems like a whole lot of noise over nothing. Those badges were probably security badges. You know, the kind many of us corporate workers wear every day to work. If you are one of those workers who have to swipe your ID badge in front of a little box that goes beep, and an LED turns green, and the door opens, the you are carrying an RFID tag (possibly even a smart card, but this is not as common). This is no big deal, its simply a way to control access. Technically, it provides some employee tracking, but its also very useful for security.
    Heck, even parking garages are using these for employees now. My girlfriend has a little card (HID Prox card), which she uses at work to get into and out of the parking complex for work. Myself, I work at a company that builds physical security systems, so I work with these things every day. And, I find, that most of the privacy concerns are way overblown. Though, I still don't like the idea of carrying one on me, I am a bit of a privacy nut afterall.
    If anything, this article sounds like a bunch of reporters got pissed, because they weren't allowed into a closed door conference, and broke the rules to get an access badge, and then reported on the evil RFID tag in the card, despite this being a very common thing, especially in places where security is an issue.

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  14. Self-Defense by Quantum-Sci · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For those who doubt the concerns about RFID, it's about who controls your own information: you... or others.

    We will get no regulation of the uses RFID is put to, while the Party is in power, and so it's up to us to sort this out.

    Be advised that cellphone mfgrs are now adding technology that PUSHes ads to you. Will you be able to turn it off? Doubtful; if all the carriers do it, there's no place else to go.

    And of course CDMA has always had geo-location... they promise it's only used to catch indicted criminals, but that claim is very doubtful, given some recent events.

    Delegates at a conference could be identified as they approach their car. Obscuring codes don't matter; a sample could be taken at any time prior, at great distance with a parabolic dish. Soldiers could be accurately geo-located by the enemy.

    Did you know that all GM cars since 1999 have black boxes in them, which are NOT being used to help you understand what happened 5 seconds before an accident, but to INDICT you for that accident, and expose you to civil litigation as well. Your inanimate *car* has become a prosecution witness against you, even though your own wife isn't supposed to be forced to testify against you.

    This is the difference between the old way, and the neo-way, of managing the citizens. The deeper question is, why is our society becoming more and more adversarial, so fast? How do Nordic countries and Canada, get away with cooperation, rather than ever strengthening offense and defense, every day? They don't worry about NOT being something, like we Americans do. Double-plus ungood.

    You say that when out in public, you have no expectation of privacy? True, but RFID expands that 'public' from your immediate surroundings (which you are aware of, and choose to inhabit), to the known universe, and for all time. If in 10 years it is considered treasonous to question RFID, some of us will be screwed, now, won't we? We all go places we'd like to keep private sometimes, now, don't we? Care to give that up, for no good reason other than FEAR?! Of our own government/corporate oligopoly? How much of your day do you spend in FEAR?! WTF are you afraid of NOW, FGS?!

    RFID is a great idea for inventory, but should be disabled/disablable when purchased. I doubt those chips now in tires, can be disabled, given the vulcanization process. And tags will soon be microscopic.

    RFID has no business on a person, as long as corporations and politicians behave adversarially toward their public at the highest levels.

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  15. Hipocrisy? by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RFID concerns are overblown, except when the tags are on YOU.

    1. Re:Hipocrisy? by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, RFID concers are overblown. I just happen to be one of the people that believes in erring on the side of caution. Truth is, those little suckers take some good sized equipment to read from any worthwhile distance, so carrying my work ID badge on me at all times (I just keep it in my wallet) really isn't a cause for concern. What bothers me, is the idea of any government of corporation trying to hide these things on me, so that they can track me when the technology advances far enough for the readers to be small and have good range.
      Also, note that I did say privacy nut, which usually implies being irrational. Which many of my fears about privacy are, but I'll hang onto them, just in case one of them is right.

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  16. RFID on slashdot stories by Woy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe slashdot should add RFID to the stories, so that when they come the 2nd time around we can detect them right away...

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  17. that's a lot of countries for so few people by Engush · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The badges were handed out to more than 50 prime ministers, presidents and other high-level officials from 174 countries, including the United States."

    so each official was from an average of 3.5 countries?

  18. RFID is nothing new by dacarr · · Score: 2, Informative

    They use it to track runners for the LA Marathon. No biggie.

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  19. And watch ... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    how quickly they will forget and proceed to do on to their citizens what they complain loudly of.

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  20. Re:Washington Times by canajin56 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Everybody makes up news stories. Like when NBC needed to show that GM trucks explode when struck from the side. They said the fuel tank ruptured. But what they did was overfil the gas tank, didn't screw the gas cap on (Just left it sitting on top) and then they strapped remotely detonated explosive under the truck to ignite the gas when it spilt out! And even then, the flames went out after a few seconds, so they had to "creativly" edit it to make the fire look worse. Here is a summary Although he did get one thing wrong: NBC hasn't died yet, in the 4 years since it happened. Hmm, I also recall something about slowing down the tape, so it looked like the truck they hit it with was going fairly slow, but it was actually going really fast.

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  21. I agree by mcc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And I will take gladly endorse that viewpoint just as soon as the same courtesy is extended to consumers and private citizens.

    1. Re:I agree by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, privacy is an important issue. Don't (try to) violate mine, or I will go beserk.
      Now, I defend this right for both parties because you can not expect that they uphold your right if you continually violate theirs.
      By defending their rights, I am defending mine.
      As to Clinton having an affair. I don't regard that as a cause for impeachment. That is a problem between him, his wife and his mistress. Thus a matter of his privacy.
      On the other hand, he had an affair with a White House employee. That could be a ground for impeachment, if it compromises his ability to function as president.
      The fact alone of having sex, with whomever is not sufficient cause.

  22. It's all about marketing by UltraSkuzzi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It didn't take long for that technology to be misused now did it? I can see the day when you go by RFID ready ad displays in the mall, and will be taylored to your 'interests' as they carefully read what stores you've been to and feed a 'revelevent ad'. Pretty soon RFID TVs will be made too, all sorts of fun and interesting uses for this technology will pop up! yay! Take me now Lord.............

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  23. Re:HEY, AMERICA! by kommakazi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And the USA/world? post GWB.
    I want to leave the country for exactly that reason.

  24. Michael Franti by Spectrum_Leap · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I don't give a stuff who they're screwing in private. I want to know who they're screwing in public!"

  25. In other news.... by KC7GR · · Score: 2, Funny

    AP SPOOFWIRE -- Two microwave ovens were seriously damaged today at the Internet and Technology Conference in Switzerland when numerous conference attendees, annoyed when they discovered that their badges contained RFID chips, tried to disable those same chips through "nuking" them in the ovens.

    Cafeteria staff were stunned by the spectacle produced when each oven was crammed full of badges, and the 'Start' button pressed. "I'd always heard stories about what would happen if you put anything with metal in it into a microwave" said head cook Rowena Splatt, "But I never thought I would ever see it in action! That horrible buzzing noise, the showers of sparks -- though I will admit that all those colors were kind of pretty -- but the smell! Oh, that was the worst part!! It reminded us all of last week's liver-and-onion special, with hints of burned cranberries and overcooked zucchini..."

    Security personnel monitoring the RFID receiver systems also reported strange occurrences. "It was like thousands of these tinny little Munchkin-like voices screamed 'Help Meeeeeee!' all at once" reported Lt. Take-Emin Andbookem, head of security for the event. "And you wouldn't believe the volume! I've still got six people in the hospital, getting checked for hearing damage."

    The event's organizers have reported that the badges will be reissued -- without RFID chips, this time -- and that the homogenized melted-together masses of the other badges will be made into holiday mobiles which will also feature unused AOL 9.0 CDs and old 30-pin memory SIMMs.

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