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X-Prize Progress Update

savuporo writes "The X-Prize organization has released a summary document (PDF), detailing the recent progress and immediate plans of 13 different competing teams, of those who have publicised information of significant hardware development (there are a total of 27 officially listed competitors from seven nations by now). Some details: quite a few teams are expecting to do full-scale or subscale powered flight tests soon, some as early as January 2004. Burt Rutan can still be considered as leading the pack, but others are not too far behind, and the winner is far from certain. Armadillo Aerospace states that some US teams are hindered more by regulatory hassles, than technical issues. Speaking of Armadillo, the team has just released a very special video, commemorating tomorrow's 100th anniversary of powered flight."

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  1. Looking Forward to 2004 (pdf articles text) by glassesmonkey · · Score: 5, Informative


    TEAM: SCALED COMPOSITES
    WEBSITE: WWW.SCALED.COM
    TEAM LEADER: BURT RUTAN

    It is expected that the next six to nine months will involve a number of rocket powered flights of SpaceShipOne, with each flight involving a longer and longer burn of the hybrid engine. The first flight may be limited to a short 15- second burn, with later flights demonstrating the full 60+ second burn time bringing SpaceShipOne from 50,000 feet eventually to an altitude of 328,000 feet (62 miles...space!).


    TEAM: ARMADILLO AEROSPACE
    WEBSITE: WWW.ARMADILLOAEROSPACE.COM
    TEAM LEADER: JOHN CARMAC

    Immediately after completion of the engine test program, Armadillo will be testing a full scale boilerplate X PRIZE vehicle with a captive hover test at their 100-acre test facility, followed by some low altitude hover tests to 3,000 ft. With these tests completed, it's their intent to do some additional low altitude launches within the "amateur" classification (and they continue to work with FAA AST for a burn time waiver). The next phase of successively higher altitude tests and ultimately manned X PRIZE flights will be dependent on what the team calls its biggest challenge: the launch license application and accompanying environmental review. Technically, Armadillo claims they will be ready to fly X PRIZE missions well before the end of the year, but Team members are fond of referring to the Wernher von Braun quote: "We can lick gravity, but sometimes the paperwork is overwhelming." Challenges included, this Dallas based group of bicycle repair mechanics is relishing the prospect of an exciting 2004.


    TEAM: STARCHASER INDUSTRIES
    WEBSITE: WWW.STARCHASER.CO.UK
    TEAM LEADER: STEVE BENNETT

    With the Thunderstar and its new engines now in production, Starchaser plans to fly in 2004. The team has also announced that it will make its propulsion system available for sale to other X PRIZE contestants on a commercial basis.


    TEAM: CANADIAN ARROW
    WEBSITE: WWW.CANADIANARROW.COM
    TEAM LEADER: GEOFF SHEERIN

    Next steps for the team will include continued testing of the engine to prepare it for actual flight onboard the first Canadian Arrow spacecraft that is scheduled for launch next year. When successful, the Arrow will make Canada the fourth nation to put humans into space.


    TEAM: DA VINCI PROJECT
    WEBSITE: WWW.DAVINCIPROJECT.COM
    TEAM LEADER: BRIAN FEENEY

    Da Vinci Project celebrated the 100th anniversary of powered flight with a Technical conference and press evening on December 16th & 17th. Early in 2004 da Vinci Project hopes to receive its license to launch from the Canadian Government and begin a sequence of test flights culminating in an series of flights to win the X PRIZE.


    TEAM: PABLO DE LEON & ASSOCIATES
    WEBSITE: WWW.PABLODELEON.COM
    TEAM LEADER: PABLO DE LEON

    During 2004 we will concentrate in launch test of at least two half scale vehicles and in launch operations. Several hybrid static firing tests will also be performed. Construction of a full scale capsule will begin in July 2004. This capsule will be used for training, simulation and to study mating/demating techniques.


    TEAM: HIGH ALTITUDE RESEARCH CORP. (HARC)
    WEBSITE: WWW.HARCSPACE.COM
    TEAM LEADER: TIM PICKENS

    HARC will continue progressing toward full scale launches while keeping safety first. Hardware design and testing will continue into 2004 with a launch of the Liberator Escape Tower and Capsule in the 1st half of 2004. HARC is planning for a summer launch of the "Little Joe" version of the Liberator to an altitude of approximately 40 kilometers. The first full scale launch is planned for late summer and will be followed by another launch in the fall. The two X PRIZE competition flights will take place in late 2004, and there are already astronaut candidates pitching in to help move the Team toward that goal.


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    1. Re:Looking Forward to 2004 (pdf articles text) by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 2, Insightful

      how does the very first post to the thread get moderated as redundant? :rolleyes:

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  2. lol by Quasar1999 · · Score: 2, Funny

    regulatory hassles? If those regulations weren't there, everyone and their dog would be building inter-continental ballistic missiles, and claiming to be contending for the 'X-Prize'...

    The government damn well better keep those regulations in place... otherwise WWIII here we come!

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    1. Re:lol by Moofie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Considering how there's pretty much one shape that makes any sense for a rocket, that shouldn't surprise you very much.

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  3. Makes you wonder by BWJones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Armadillo Aerospace states that some US teams are hindered more by regulatory hassles, than technical issues.

    It really makes one wonder where we would be if Goddard had restrictions on fuel sources and flight space or even where the Wright Bros. would be if they had to constantly check with local authorities every time they wanted to make a flight.

    When my grandfather learned how to fly, planes had three or four instruments and they simply ran the engine up and took off and landed wherever they wanted. Times change of course and when I learned, we had significant classroom time talking about all sorts of regulations before we could even get into planes. Granted, some of this control is simply because of crowded airspace, but it seems sometimes that our fear of terrorism is actually hampering development of a whole variety of technologies and progress in fields as disparate as aerospace to biology. Where to draw the line?

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    1. Re:Makes you wonder by pinchhazard · · Score: 5, Funny

      It really makes one wonder where we would be if Goddard had restrictions on fuel sources and flight space or even where the Wright Bros. would be if they had to constantly check with local authorities every time they wanted to make a flight.

      The Wright Brothers would be in the same place now regardless of the governmental regulations of 1903. Unless inventing airplanes is a condition for getting into heaven.

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    2. Re:Makes you wonder by Moofie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lots of people also died in those old airplanes. They also didn't have to fly in and out of controlled airspaces (like airports).

      Should Carmack be able to buy rocket fuel? Sure, if he can store it safely. Should any old yokel be allowed to fly a plane? I don't know about you, but we let any old yokel drive a car, and that seems to me like a pretty bad idea.

      There were no good old days.

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    3. Re:Makes you wonder by jonbrewer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Should Carmack be able to buy rocket fuel?
      If you have to ask that question, you've never played Doom.

    4. Re:Makes you wonder by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Should Carmack be able to buy rocket fuel? Sure, if he can store it safely.


      Good point. One of my consulting gigs came about when the regular admin killed himself working on a rocket engine. Partially blew himself up in the backyard. Died in his wife's arms.

      It could have been worse. He could have hurt someone else too (I have no idea how competent the guy was with this stuff).

      Now... I appreciate the drive that makes someone want to work with that stuff (unlike some of the admin's former coworkers). But at the same time, its no toy. The stuff is dangerous. To those who work with it and those who just happen to be in the area at the wrong time.
  4. Blam! by i_am_syco · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm still wondering whether John Carmack's ship is going to have a BFG 9000 on it or not.

    1. Re:Blam! by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Remember the unidentified "Blam" sort of noise that created such an uproar on the space station a few weeks ago?

      Well maybe we already have an X-prize winner and they have not yet claimed the prize.

  5. This is what's needed by Cap'nMike · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to get commercial space exploration started. As long as NASA is the only serious space agency, progress will be slow and safe. By letting individuals and small groups take risks that NASA is unwilling or unable to take, progress can be expected much sooner. The same thing has been seen throughout history as individuals willing to take risks have always surpassed massive, slow, cautious exploration by governments.

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    1. Re:This is what's needed by criordan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True, but in order to be commercially successful you need customers. Would you be willing to PAY money to take risks like that?

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    2. Re:This is what's needed by Nucleon500 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Would you be willing to PAY money to take risks like that?

      Perhaps we could convince McBride to go. Heck, I'd pay $699 for that!

    3. Re:This is what's needed by Saeger · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I love the privateer spirit behind the X-Prize contest as much as the next guy, but I gotta say that ultimately, chemical rocket powered flight out of Earth's gravity well will never get cheap enough to bootstrap a new age of space exploration. Be it a non-profit, for-profit, or negative-profit beaurocracy, rocket propulsion is inherently energy wasteful and dangerous.

      When we finally see sub-$1 per kg "launch" costs, it will be because we've finally built a series of space elevators around the equator, and that (unfortunately) takes a metric buttload of international redtape.

      I admit that explosive phallic rockets are more exciting to dream about, though. I mean, who wants to take a cheap, practical, slow, silent maglev ride up a stationary elevator to geo, instead of blasting off scream'n "yeehaw!" all the way?

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    4. Re:This is what's needed by bug-eyed+monster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What kind of risk? Financial risk, hoping the operation will be profitable? Well I don't have the money, but there is always some bank or philantropist that can be convinced.

      Or are you asking about risking my life to go on a space tour? the answer is Hell YEAH! Perhaps Americans have become overly safety-wimps^Wconscience, but in the rest of the world, we pay to take risky thrill-rides every day, the example that comes to mind is skydiving. And this'll be the ultimate thrill-ride if nothing else.

      Are you seriously asking me that, if I'm presented with the opportunity to go for a ride into space, I'll turn it down because I might die? Just try to stop me...

    5. Re:This is what's needed by twiddlingbits · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe not 50 years. I happened to run into one of the toplevel scientists on that project the other day at our local NASA facility. He claims that they are much further along than the public thinks they are. They have adequate funding for the Research (for now) and are actually HIRING people who want to work on the problems (don't ask for much in salary!). They seem really postive they can make this thing work. That "can-do" attitude was what got us to the moon in the 1970's. It's good to see that coming back.

  6. Canada by Kallahar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Uh, why do they have the canadian flag for armadillo? Armadillo is in Texas and fly's out of Oklahoma...

  7. Mmm.../. cache by NewWaveNet · · Score: 5, Informative

    Armadillo Videos

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  8. Is 10 million really enough? by nertz_oi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By the looks of some of these entries, is 10 million dollars really enough to compensate these guys? Sure, alot of them are doing it to live out some childhood dream, but wouldn't a prize >$20 mill give that extra motivation?

    From the looks of their craft, 10 mill would hardly make a dent to recoup what some of these companies have put in already, and they haven't even made it to space yet!

    1. Re:Is 10 million really enough? by Gorobei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They mostly aren't looking for compensation. It's a prize, not an R&D funding exercise.

      Looking at the teams:

      Rutan - wants to build cool flying vehicles (e.g. round the world on one tank of gas.) Ignoring his photoshopped SpaceShipOne images, actually has a chance at the X-Prize within two years.

      Carmack - wants to make cool rocket toys. Working on hovering, not space shots. 5% chance of X-Prize within 5 years.

      Steve Bennett - publicity seeking loon. 0% chance of any rocketry of interest, ever.

      All the rest - 20% chance of success with 5 years. Seriously, if you aren't test firing a R motor (think model rocketry A, B, C, etc) every week at this point, you don't have a hope of meeting the X-Prize goals in the next couple of years.

    2. Re:Is 10 million really enough? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Think of it like competing for funding. The first one to take a baby step into space gets unprecidented prestige and a cool 10 mill in future funding. :-)

    3. Re:Is 10 million really enough? by Kallahar · · Score: 2, Informative

      You should check the armadillo site more often, they haven't worked on the hovering for the last two years. The current ship is a fully functional rocket capable of getting into space with a crew pod and full flight electronics.

  9. Rutan is ready to flight-test the rocket motor by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've been following the test updates on the Scaled Composites site. It looks as if they are ready to flight-test the rocket motor. On the last flight, they tested the entire propulsion system with nitrogen flow. It sounds to me as if they could be ready to fire on the very next test flight.

    I guess the first firings would be short, and would be designed to test the vehicle in the powered and high-speed-glide speed and dynamics envelopes rather than the lower-speed glide one which is now reasonably well characterized.

    This is all very exciting.

    Bruce

  10. Heh by Ryvar · · Score: 2, Funny

    I love the objective point of view Fountainhead Entertainment and the rest of the ultra-libertarian Rand fanbois express in the 100 years of flight vid.

    Nevermind that a good portion of the redtape involved has nothing to do with the environment - it's easier to just paint yourself as wounded by crazies on a crusade than rationally represent the problems the other side has with your actions. Not that I don't sympathize with Armadillo Aerospace here (the bureaucracy mindlessly bent on preventing its citizens from doing anything out of the ordinary is a tough thing to stare down), but it's good to know KAK was kicked out of id before she could really Yoko Ono Carmack . . .

  11. Going down to the wire by kingdon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keep in mind that the funding for the prize expires on 1 Jan 2005 ("the X PRIZE is fully funded through January 1, 2005, through private donations and backed by an insurance policy" from the X Prize web site). That's less than 13 months from now. Scaled Composites, which I suppose is the leader, is planning flight tests for the next 6-9 months leading "eventually" to a 100 km altitude which is the altitude needed to win the prize.

    That doesn't give them a lot of extra time if they experience trouble. Of course what is great about having multiple teams is that if one falters, another may succeed. Given the number of things which can go wrong (a zillion technical things, and of course the legal/funding/etc ones), however, it isn't hard to imagine all the teams being delayed past the deadline.

    But having said all that, it is great to see this activity going on. Should be fun to watch!

  12. Re:Morbid musings... by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
    > ...I wonder how many people will die testing their vehicles? Rocket fuel, (over)enthusiastic amateurs, not much official oversight. Sounds dangerous!

    Rocket fuel, (PowerPoint-slide obsessed) professionals, and a whole NASA-load of official oversight. Experimentally verified as dangerous.

    Anything less than 14 dead is an incredible improvement over the present situation.

  13. Har har, but no regulations against my warp drive by samjam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All I have to do is pay sales tax on the parts.

    My real worry is not regulations against my warp drive cos there aren't any, its submarine patents.

    I'm afraid in 1982 somebody may have made an initial filing which by the time my invention comes out will cover my invention.

    Sam

  14. Recent Da Vinci story by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Toronto Star had a recent human-interest story A do-it-yourself shot at the final frontier about Brian Feeney behind the Da Vinci team project.

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  15. An Appropriate Memorial by randall_burns · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It is strange that the Wright Flyer wound up in the Smithsonian-an organization that sponsored Langely and denied the priority of the Wright Brothers for quite some time.


    I suspect that if they were somehow brought into the present era, the Wright Brothers would relate for more to the efforts of folks like Armadillo Aerospace than any of the official government programs.

  16. Armadillo is Canadian? by peacefinder · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder why Armadillo is listed as a Canadian effort in the X-Prize PDF. Maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention lately... did we trade Texas for Quebec when I wasn't looking?

    Hmm... come to think of it, maybe that's not such a bad idea.

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  17. Selling "droppings" by PhoenixOne · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I like the fact that Armadillo Aerospace is selling bags of "assorted curious gizmos and scrap taken right off of "decommissioned" AA rockets."

    http://www.armadilloaerospace.com/n.x/Armadillo/Ho me/Paraphernalia

    Not only can they laugh at their mistakes, they can try to profit from them. ;)

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  18. Re:Morbid musings... by T9D · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...I wonder how many people will die testing their vehicles? Rocket fuel, (over)enthusiastic amateurs, not much official oversight. Sounds dangerous! Rocket fuel, (PowerPoint-slide obsessed) professionals, and a whole NASA-load of official oversight. Experimentally verified as dangerous. Space travel is dangerous. We know this to be so, and we do it anyway. The astronauts knew the risks before they got into that shuttle. THat isn't to say the situation can't be improved, but the mere fact that space travel is dangerous is known and has not deterred us in the past.

  19. Goddard? by gloth · · Score: 2, Informative


    It really makes one wonder where we would be if Goddard had restrictions on fuel sources and flight space

    Not to diminish Goddards achievements, but in terms of who-influenced-whom, he was more on a side-track of space explocation. Both Wernher von Braun and Sergej Korolov had most of their roots elsewhere. And of course, the military behind them, paving the road...

  20. Anyone remember superconductors? by Goonie · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In the 1980's, there was a huge fuss about the new high-temperature superconductors, and a lot of speculation in the popular science press about the coming revolution of room-temperature superconductors. Guess what? It never happened. Whilst the new superconductors have found industrial application, they sure aren't working at room temperature. The majority of the world's electricity is still carried on bits of copper and aluminium, and still suffers resistive losses.

    Until somebody actually demonstrates a macroscopic piece of material with sufficient tensile strength to build a space elevator, I'm not getting too excited.

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  21. Not such a silly idea... by Goonie · · Score: 2, Informative
    Ever heard of Project Orion, the plan to go to the Moon (as well as Mars and Jupiter), by sticking a really big, thick, steel and concrete plate at the back of a spacecraft and letting off atomic bombs behind it? Probably would have worked, too.

    However, given his difficulties of getting hold of something relatively benign like hydrogen peroxide, I'm not liking Carmack's odds of getting the requisite quantities of plutonium :-)

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  22. Payout is insured? by WoTG · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess I shouldn't really be surprised that it's covered by an insurance policy, rather than a $10M in a bank account.

    Still, can you imagine trying to put together a team to do that actuarial calculations for the premiums on that policy?

  23. We aren't being held up by regulatory issues. by John+Carmack · · Score: 5, Informative


    We have a good working relationship with AST, the division of the FAA that handles launch license, and we are one of only three companies (along with Scaled and XCOR) currently in the RLV launch license process. We have found all the people there helpful and eager to work with us. There is a lot of paperwork to be done, but we are working through it, and do not see a problem satisfying them. Things like calculating and minimizing expected third party casualty rates are obviously necessary and sensible.

    The environmental aspects are less rational, with no analytical sense of scale.

    Still, I'm only mildly concerned about the regulatory side of things. I think it will work out. None of our work is held up by any of this, so the worst case is that we have a vehicle built and tested repeatedly at the 200,000 lb-sec waivered impulse limit, with no launch license to allow us to fill the tank the rest of the way up. If that happens, THEN we get peeved about the situation, but continue flight testing with what we can.

    Let me repeat: In no way have we been hampered by regulatory burden. Yet. We have been VERY hampered by commercial companies being too worried about liability exposure to work with us - peroxide companies, filament winders, and parachute companies have all caused us significant problems.

    The supply issue with 90% peroxide basically cost us almost the entire year of flight testing. We spent the last six months developing a propellant combination that could conveniently replace the 90% peroxide based on widely available chemicals instead of the ultra-specialized propulsion grade. We are in the final optimizing and scale up phase of that. Instead of being irate about it, I try to look on the bright side - it is lots cheaper, easer to handle, and even a bit higher performance.

    There are lots of problems still to be worked, but everything is coming along fine. We are behind schedule and somewhat over budget, but no worse off than any other project I have ever worked on...

    John Carmack