Paul Allen Confirmed as SpaceShipOne's Sponsor

TechTV reported this last night on TechTV live. by the_2nd_coming · 2003-12-19 05:53 · Score: 4, Interesting

I wonder if Paul Allen will want to be the first Private citizen into space with the first privately built space ship.

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Re:TechTV reported this last night on TechTV live. by mr_z_beeblebrox · 2003-12-19 05:56 · Score: 5, Interesting

I wonder if Paul Allen will want to be the first Private citizen into space with the first privately built space ship.

It is good to see people with his kind of wealth putting it to work for society. The benefits of a private space market will be....well more benefits than you could imagine. (sorry about the star wars thing) If his reason for doing this is just to get to be 'first inspace in a privately owned vehicle' well then, I wish him the best of luck!
Re:TechTV reported this last night on TechTV live. by netringer · 2003-12-19 06:10 · Score: 4, Informative

would certainly go in a heartbeat if I had the option, but I don't know of the payload capacity of SS1...can it hold passengers as well as crew?
It holds three. The plan is that the passengers are the crew.The White Knight is designed to serve as a simulator for flying SpaceShipOne. Crews would be trained in the White Knight.
Rutan's space tourism plan always had the crew being trained to fly various phases of the flight, 1) launch/climb, 2) weighlessness, 3) landing.
Actually the idea was that 10 or so would buy a chance for a seat and be trained for week in the Carribean after which the two who fly will be chosen by lottery. One seat would be guaranteed and purchased for 10x the money.

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Re:TechTV reported this last night on TechTV live. by JPelorat · 2003-12-19 06:37 · Score: 5, Insightful

"It is good to see people with his kind of wealth putting it to work for society."

They all do, it's just that most of it isn't high-profile or 'cool' stuff like space travel.

Wealthy people don't stuff their mattresses full of cash or have a Scrooge McDuck vault where they hoard coin and bill, or in any other way keep it totally removed from the economy.

No, instead what you find is that their money is socked away in investment portfolios, mutual funds, annuities, or their own businesses as capital investments. All that money gets invested somewhere in society, whether it's in government bonds, other companies, loans, etc etc etc.

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Re:TechTV reported this last night on TechTV live. by Tackhead · 2003-12-19 07:04 · Score: 5, Insightful

> I wouldn't call Bill Gates bad at spending his money for a good cause. He's well known for donating significant sums for charity which, I might add, is much more moral than contributing to an X-prize attempt.
Umm, "much more moral"? WTF d00d?
You have $10B. You wanna make the world a better place.
Scenario 1:: Give $10000 to 1,000,000 third-worlders. If you want that to last for 25-30 years, your million people will have $300-400 per year. They will have running water, but the vast majority of those million people will be living in mud huts and abject squalor. At the end of your 25 years, most will have reproduced at least once, leaving you with 2,000,000 people still living in squalor.
Number of lives improved: 1,000,000 for 25 years.
Funds remaining: $0.00
Choice 2: Drop $9B on a development programme to reduce lift costs to orbit from $10000/pound to $100/pound. Invest $1B in companies that have neat ideas, like doing science (which leads to more technology), strip-mining the moon or asteroids (reducing environmental loads on earth) for metals and silicon for solar cells. 25 years later, you've doubled your money (and can feed the 2,000,000 third-worlders that Mister Morality left behind if you so choose), and six billion people now have practically free electrical power and consequently, pure water as extracted from seawater through desalination plant, also becomes too cheap to meter.
Number of lives improved: 6,000,000,000 permanently improved.
Funds Remaining: Very probably more funds than you started with. So you can fund the next big thing, whatever that might be.
And as an added bonus: If you still wanna help 10000 third-worlders because they're somehow a very special bunch of third-worlders (as opposed to the other 2-3 billion of them), just build them their very own hollowed-out asteroid for $850M, and use $150M (10000 people * 150 pounds * $100/pound) to fly them to it.
Some of Gates' "charitable" actions are Good Things, such as his funding of medical research. Others are props for the monopoly, such as giving away free-as-in-beer Microsoft licenses to schools so that the kids never hear about penguins.
But to pretend that "charity" is somehow intrinsically more moral than funding the development of cool technology for private gain is utter and complete bunk.
Damn near every improvement in your quality of life over the past 100 years has come from people just trying to make a buck by building a better mousetrap.
You go, Paul Allen. And don't let the whining moralists get you down. Investing in private space development is one of the most moral acts a human being can perform.
Re:TechTV reported this last night on TechTV live. by fastidious+edward · 2003-12-19 07:59 · Score: 5, Insightful

1. $9bn will not "reduce lift costs to orbit from $10000/pound to $100/pound". NASA funding was ~$14bn in 2002 alone, and you can't increase efficiency that much, even in cuckoo land, unless you have a very good idea?

2. 1bn is way way way below the invested amounts in NASDAQ, even on IPO, full of tech companies that have neat ideas.

3. ...six billion people now have practically free electrical power and consequently, pure water as extracted from seawater through desalination plant. I'm sorry, but unless the electricity is beamed and desalinated water materialised you still need low level electricity distribution and water transportation. Production costs are low compared to costs of transportation.

I'm all for teaching people to fish rather than giving them a fish, but although $10bn is obscene for an individual, is is small fish on the global investment scale of things. Cool technology is cool, but it is not a cure-all, it is a part of a means to an end, but only a part. Nor will space-travel/exploitation be a cure-all for world poverty et al, low level solutions need to be made, the UN needs more money, development charities need more money, developing countries need more money (or be freed from their debt, but this is another discussion). Bringing back trillions of tons of ore from asteriods will make no difference if the price of ore is immediately depressed and people from developing countries still have no direct water supply, still have no electricity pylons to their village, or still have inadequate access to education. Old fashion engineering and logistics are the only things that can solve this.

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Good for Paul! by Guano_Jim · 2003-12-19 05:54 · Score: 5, Insightful

This is not the first time Mr. Allen has contributed to the common good: google link

Good for him. If only more plutocrats thought the same way.

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Re:Good for Paul! by Ralph+Wiggam · 2003-12-19 06:02 · Score: 5, Informative

It's funny that most geeks really admire Paul Allen and Steve Wozniak but hate Gates and Jobs.

My favorite mega-rich guy is Marc Cuban (The Dallas Mavericks owner who wisely sold Broadcast.com to Yahoo for cold cash when everyone else at the time was selling for stock). He acts like I imagine I would if I had a billion dollars.

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Re:Good for Paul! by haystor · 2003-12-19 06:03 · Score: 4, Informative

As I understand, he sold for stock too, but bought options as a hedge.

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Re:Good for Paul! by mongbot · 2003-12-19 06:16 · Score: 5, Interesting

It's funny that most geeks really admire Paul Allen and Steve Wozniak but hate Gates and Jobs.

You have a point.

Creating a spaceship is all well and good and will probably advance humanity in the long run. Kudos to Paul Allen for taking the initiative.

But, in purely monetary terms, Bill Gates is much more charitable. In fact, it could be argued that he's the most philanthrophic individual in history. I don't like it any more than you do, but it's true. I suppose it's a small consolation to think that some of the "Microsoft tax" goes towards charity.
Re:Good for Paul! by blackmonday · 2003-12-19 06:34 · Score: 4, Funny

Excuse me, sir, but a lot of us on Slashdot not only don't hate Steve Jobs, we would pay good money to roll around in the leader's dirty underwear!

Well that explains everything. by mgs1000 · 2003-12-19 05:54 · Score: 5, Funny

I guess he plans to blast the Trailblazers into space so they won't cause him anymore problems.

Thanks for providing a link by Anonymous Coward · 2003-12-19 05:54 · Score: 5, Funny

I hadn't before heard of this Microsoft of which you speak.

That will teach by geekoid · 2003-12-19 05:56 · Score: 4, Funny

id software to write games that run on non-MS platforms!

I kid.

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Versioning by MadFarmAnimalz · 2003-12-19 05:56 · Score: 5, Funny

Oh. Damn that's good to know. The Microsoft co-founder, eh?

If history is anything to go by, that contraption won't be worth a thing until SpaceShipThreePointOne is built.

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not necessarily a good indicator by social · 2003-12-19 05:58 · Score: 4, Interesting

Allen's sponsorship isn't necessarily a good indicator that the project will be any more successful, as he has had some major slip-ups in the past. His Experience Music Project in Seattle has thus far proven to be a financial wreck.

Don't forget Carmack by PIPBoy3000 · 2003-12-19 05:58 · Score: 5, Informative

I'm personally rooting for Armadillo Aerospace, which has John Carmack's involvement. He's got some great comments on his news page - feels much more open and less corporate than some of the other X-Prize contenders.

Re:Don't forget Carmack by LiquidCoooled · 2003-12-19 06:03 · Score: 4, Insightful

I dont think it matters which team succeeds, I'm glad they are all taking part and actually progressing as a whole.

I would practically give my right arm to go on any one of these trips.

I feel blessed to be born in an age where spaceflight is possible :)

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Re:Don't forget Carmack by Zog+The+Undeniable · 2003-12-19 06:37 · Score: 5, Funny

Whereas Paul Allen's spacecraft will have all kinds of gadgets you didn't think a spacecraft really needed (and won't really be safe to fly in until the first Service Pack), Carmack's craft will have guns. LOTS of guns.

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Obligatory joke by JamesP · 2003-12-19 05:58 · Score: 4, Funny

This spaceship has encountered an error and will self-destruct now. Microsoft apologizes for the inconvenience...

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Windows in Space by manganese4 · 2003-12-19 05:58 · Score: 5, Funny

Well if they use windows on the operatoring system for the Microsoft MicroShip, when it gets hacked as an SMTP relay, it will give new meaning to Chuck Yeager's phrase for the mercury astronauts "Spam in a can"

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Alien Confirmed... by SirChris · 2003-12-19 05:59 · Score: 5, Funny

I thought that it said Alien confirmed as sponsor. And that would have been good news.

Good to see it by Chitlenz · 2003-12-19 06:08 · Score: 4, Insightful

This has to be some kind of ideological statement by this guy. 10M is nothing, for gods sakes, he pays ALL of his Seattle Supersonics more than that every year, so it can't be the money.

Whatever his investment amount is, its good to see both noteriety and cash flow in to private space programs. Maybe we can set a trend where rich geeks get sick of waiting, and goto space on our own. If you think about it, it's kinda the way we (as in geeks as a whole) tend to act anyway (when we're at our best that is).

I forget who said it, but someone quoted that every good program begins as an itch that needs to be scratched by the programmer... maybe this one's his?

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And it wouldn't be possible... by Zebra_X · 2003-12-19 06:16 · Score: 4, Insightful

If paul allen hadn't made boat loads of cash working for M$. I don't see Linus financing the Nina and Pinta of the infant space age.

>:O

Paul Allan is a JERK by zulux · 2003-12-19 06:18 · Score: 4, Interesting

Paul Allan bought a summer camp out from under the camp, kicked the kids off and built a multi-million dollar trophy home in it's place.

Kind of like a "Ernest Goes to Camp" without the happy ending.

more info here

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Nice going, Paul! by Thagg · 2003-12-19 06:19 · Score: 5, Insightful

It's kind of amazing, in the last two days we've had a couple of interesting space stories, both involving about the same sum. Two more 'space tourists' are going to fly to the ISS in Soyuz capsules, for $20MM. Paul Allen is revealed as the sponser of Rutan's effort -- total cost, about $20MM.

So, where one person gets to go into space, by himself, atop a converted Russian ICBM -- somebody with a little more sand kickstarts an entire private space industry. The tourists have only their memories, while Allen will have his own spaceship!

Very inspiring, Mr Allen.

thad

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Re:Damn... by Lane.exe · 2003-12-19 06:20 · Score: 4, Funny

"Windows(R)(C)(TM) Spaceship(R)(C)(TM) has detected a General Radiation Protection Fault in Sector 129C. Preparing to eject all damaged material."

"CTRL ALT DELETE! CTRL ALT DELETE!"

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Gates vs. Allen by GuyMannDude · 2003-12-19 06:24 · Score: 4, Insightful

Paul Allen likes to spend his money on more "visionary" pursuits, trying to further push the technology envelope, but Gates has certainly thrown plenty of money to good causes in his own right.

There are lots of ways to look at how Gates and Allen spend their money. You pointed out one distinction. However, I'd like to go a little deeper into that and ask why.

Here's my theory: Gates has convinced himself that he's a genius. That he's smarter than almost everyone. He feels that he's the elite. This explains his attempts to so fully dominate and control the future of computing. He certainly doesn't need the money. He's doing it because he honestly feels that he knows better than anyone else how computing should evolve.

But he's not entirely heartless. He sees the poor unfortunate masses who aren't as great as he is and feels like he should give them a few bucks. Kind of like royalty flinging coins out the windows of their buggies and at the miserable wretches in the crowd as they roll down the common street. It makes him feel good about himself and, quite frankly, those who are lucky enough to catch those coins he chucks out the window really do need the money so they are grateful.

Allen, on the other hand, has a much more modest view of his place in the world. Unlike Gates, he does not believe that he's one of the greatest geniuses that ever lived. He can fully appreciate the fact that there are scores of other people out there with great ideas. Since he has the money, he funds their work in the hopes that they will be able to develop their ideas into fantastic technologies that advance the human race.

There's no right or wrong here. Both are doing what they feel is best.

GMD

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Re:Gates vs. Allen by kippy · 2003-12-19 07:23 · Score: 4, Informative

Dude, this is so wrong it isn't even funny. If you look at the cash breakdown here you'll see that more than half the money goes to researching desease. This is a noble cause no matter what you think about his opperating system. The Gates Founddation does wonderfull things even if I hate Clippy.

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if (SpaceShipOne) by sahen · 2003-12-19 06:29 · Score: 5, Funny

that might explain why they used Visual Basic naming conventions.

Re:Paul Allen is cool.... by The+Lynxpro · 2003-12-19 06:59 · Score: 4, Informative

"Ahh, you mean like set up something like this?"

Uhm, no. Bill Gates did not participate in any philanthropic activities until Ted Turner started criticizing him. And a lot of it had to do with PR since Microsoft was taking a lot of flack over being a convicted monopolist. Aside from Corbis, Gates is almost completely focused on Microsoft; expanding Microsoft's monopoly. Allen funds whatever he thinks is interesting and/or can possibly make a profit. Allen is not concerned about expanding Microsoft's empire. Allen was the UNIX enthusiast at Microsoft when he was there, by the way. While its fine and dandy that Gates is paying for vaccinations, his company is also the organization that has the audacity to audit poorly funded schools and non-profits for licensing compliance on donated computers. Its much like Jack the Pumpkin King trying to take over Christmas, if you ask me...

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MS Orbital Vehicle Assistant by Odonian · 2003-12-19 07:27 · Score: 5, Funny

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Re:Paul Allen is cool.... by reverendslappy · 2003-12-19 10:44 · Score: 5, Insightful

"Bill Gates does not run... blah blah blah"

You're right. It's only his $26 BILLION (sorry, $6.2 billion is just what they've given out so far) that comprises the endowment.

"Mr. Gates did not get on the philanthropic exploits... blah blah blah"

So? Just as I don't know "the amount of money or time" that you've committed to charities, you don't have a clue as to what Mr. Gates' motives are, and the smarmy, self-important intimation that you do is part of what angers me. And "guilt-tripping"? Is that a joke? Bill Gates can either be an emotionless corporate hard-heart, hell-bent on world domination, or he can be swayed by the "guilt" laid on him by people. He can't be both. Pick one.

And does he "go around to countries asking them" for contracts? I'd like to see any evidence of that beyond anecdotal /. rants. Even if that has some basis in fact (which it could), it doesn't change the fact that countless people have benefitted with their lives from the grants. And it doesn't stand to reason that Gates would say "Hey, here's $200 million. But first, sign this $4 million contract." I'm no math major, but that doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.

Speaking of not making sense, let's examine part of what you're saying:

"He doesn't run the Foundation."
"He does run the Foundation and uses it to get Microsoft contracts."

Huh?

"You don't know me... blah blah blah."

You're right. And you don't know Bill Gates. Maybe you should take some of your own advice, and not speculate as to the intentions of another person.

But, given the size of the entire endowment, I think it's safe to guess you (just like I and most of the rest of the population of the world) haven't given 56% of their net worth to charity. That, unlike your assumptions, has at least some statistical validity to it (somewhere... I'm not about to look up average charitable donations by household as a percentage of income, but I'll betcha 50 bucks it's a whole shitload less than 56%. Feel free to look it up, though, if you think that statistical assumption is wrong).

Either way, I suppose I don't really care what you donate. I think it's absurd for you dismiss the significance of the donations as being executed for personal reasons of ego, while ignoring the benefits they've caused -- regardless of their source. I don't think it's any better of you to criticize Mr. Gates like you do than it would be for you to say to me "Bah, whatever chartitable donations you've made have only been to make yourself feel good and only for your benefit" or something to that effect. And that'd get me wicked-pissed off.

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