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Narnia to be Created in New Zealand

SCS writes "It has been confirmed that the The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe will be made in New Zealand as part of a five film line-up of C.S. Lewis's Narnia fantasy book series, with New Zealander Andrew Adamson of Shrek fame as its director. Filming begins next year, and Weta Digital has already started the graphics work. Also reported at the BBC and HeraldTribune.com."

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  1. I just applied at Weta Digital too! by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just applied as a compositor/photoshop/cinepaint 2D artist.

    Sitting by the phone, waiting for them to call and send me a ticket to move to New Zealand.

    Gonna call any minute now.

    Any minute now...

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  2. Pattern? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Pick a book series and film it in New Zealand
    2. ???
    3. Profit!

    1. Re:Pattern? by BTWR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      note to mods... making "Profit!!!" comments '+5, funny' only encourages more...

    2. Re:Pattern? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Besides, they're going to have to rename it "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe ... and Ten Billion Sheep!" if they want to be accurate.

      Otherwise, some poor soul is going to have to digitially remove all the sheep seen in the background of every frame.

    3. Re:Pattern? by incubusnb · · Score: 4, Funny

      1: encourage more "Profit!" jokes
      2: ???
      3: Profit!


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    4. Re:Pattern? by Lerc · · Score: 4, Funny

      You will note that there were few sheep in LOTR. This is largely due to sterling work by the team at Weta deveopling sheep removal software. Sheep are even a critcal part of the development of some scenes. Many of the battle scenes were in-fact flocks of sheep that were rounded up and used as seed data for computers to turn them into humans/orcs.

      The raw footage of the Battle of Pelennor Fields is a sight to behold indeed.

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  3. New Zealand government overthrown by magic by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 4, Funny

    can't belive it?

    check it out, yourself!

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  4. 5 movies? by LDoggg_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is expected to be the first of five films based on CS Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia books, and has the potential to top The Lord of The Rings in economic spinoffs for New Zealand.

    Strange, there are seven books.
    Anyone have any insight into what is being combined or left out?

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    1. Re:5 movies? by Korgrath · · Score: 5, Funny

      maybe they'll get rid of that annoying wardrobe out of fear of too many "comming out of the wardrobe" jokes... man kids these days...

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    2. Re:5 movies? by Krilomir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since the first movie will be "The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe" (which is the second book), they probably skipped book one, The Magician's Nephew (which was, in fact, also written after the second book).

      Also, they might choose to skip The Horse and His Boy since it's just a side-story. Or maybe the last book (The Last Battle), as suggested by another poster, because that one would probably be very hard to make into a good movie.

    3. Re:5 movies? by fredopalus · · Score: 5, Informative

      "The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe" is the 2nd book only according to publishers Now .

      When the books were originally written and published by C. S. Lewis, "The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe" came first and "The Magician's Nephew" was like the 6th book.

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    4. Re:5 movies? by SciMed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...that one would probably be very hard to make into a good movie

      There's no doubt that "The Last Battle" and "The Magician's Nephew" could be challenging to represent cinematically; but I don't think anyone would disagree that the two are critical to understanding the underlying allegory.

      Only my opinion, but I think "difficulty in making the film" should not be the primary criteria for deciding whether to make the film. Using the "difficulty" argument, one could easily conclude that Tolkien's trilogy should never have been made. Instead, asking one's self which of the stories are core to C.S. Lewis's message and life's philosophy may be better guides in determining which of the 7 books to pursue.

    5. Re:5 movies? by Fuzzle · · Score: 4, Informative

      The order in which he wrote them was TLTWATHW first, the Magician's Nephew last. I believe he did this because it takes a lot of the magic and wondering out of the series if you know the complete origin of Narnia and the wardrobe. It helped to tie of the one loose end that was left after The Last Battle.

    6. Re:5 movies? by LDoggg_ · · Score: 5, Informative
      from : http://cslewis.drzeus.net/faq.html

      What is the correct order for reading The Chronicles of Narnia? What do you recommend?

      If you must read them in any certain order, there are two logical ways of numbering the Narnia books. When the American publisher Macmillan decided to put numbers on their editions they chose to use the order in which the books were originally published, i.e.:

      The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (1950)
      Prince Caspian (1951)
      The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (1952)
      The Silver Chair (1953)
      The Horse and His Boy (1954)
      The Magicians Nephew (1955)
      The Last Battle (1956)

      When Harper Collins took over the publication of the books in America, they decided to keep numbering the books, but on the recommendation of Lewis's stepson Douglas Gresham, they adopted the order that follows Narnian Chronology, i.e:

      The Magicians Nephew
      The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe
      The Horse and His Boy
      Prince Caspian
      The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
      The Silver Chair
      The Last Battle

      This is also the order followed by the current British editions, published by Fontana Lions. A case can be made for both orders. Lewis himself came down in favor of the chronological order, which is why Douglas Gresham recommended it. In a letter written in 1957 to an American boy named Laurence, Lewis wrote the following:

      'I think I agree with your order {i.e. chronological} for reading the books more than with your mother's. The series was not planned beforehand as she thinks. When I wrote The Lion I did not know I was going to write any more. Then I wrote P. Caspian as a sequel and still didn't think there would be any more, and when I had done The Voyage I felt quite sure it would be the last. But I found as I was wrong. So perhaps it does not matter very much in which order anyone read them. I'm not even sure that all the others were written in the same order in which they were published.'

      As for my recommendation...personally, I prefer reading it in the published order, beginning with The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.

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    7. Re:5 movies? by Verteiron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I read it with the Magician's Nephew preceding the Last Battle, but after all the other books. I have to say I agree with you. As a kid reading these books, finding out at last, WHY there was a lantern out in the middle of nowhere, and where the Witch came from was just.. well, magical. And since I was into astronomy as a kid I knew what Charn's red sun meant, as well. The idea of all those worlds, in all those pools... the Magician's Nephew has always been my favorite Narnia book, and reading it first destroys the magic of it, I think.

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  5. I would rather see them do Ringworld. by AltGrendel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think that would be a great book to make into a mini-series. If SciFi channel would do as good a job as they did with Dune it could be classic.

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  6. Two books? by swb · · Score: 4, Funny

    7 - 5 = 2

  7. The Chronicles of Prydain by tangent3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Chronicles of Prydain (by Llyod Alexander), while not as well known as the Chronicles of Narnia, is a beautiful series which has captured my heart and my fantasies during my younger days. It seems dissapointing that it has not even gotten a small fraction of the recognition that the Chronicles of Narnia has, with only a long forgotten Disney movie "The Black Cauldron" (also made into a Sierra adventure game) to show. It's the perfect fantasy series suitable even for young children, and I found it a way more fulfilling read even than the Harry Potter series. Try to find the series of 5 books... if you can. It would be well worthwhile.

  8. Re:5 films? by LDoggg_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    They're leaving out the "scouring of narnia" and "the adventures of Aslan Bombadil".


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  9. Re:Whoops! Wrong turn down the Christian byway by sjwt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having been an Atheist since rather early in my
    childhood i sure as hell dont see what
    all the fuss is about.

    Just because there are parallels and story
    foundations/ideas borrowed/copyed dosent meen
    much at all to the story..

    How much Roman history have you realy learnt
    from Starwars and Dune?

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  10. so nifty by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's so nifty to see all the books I read as a kid getting a second revival. Problem is, I wish kids would read these books in the first place, and discover that (gasp!) there's more to children's literature than Harry Potter.

  11. Cool! Good news by EchoMirage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cool! This is good news. As a fan of C. S. Lewis' work generally and also the Narnia chronicles specifically, I think this will give these books the same rich setting enjoyed by LOTR. Tolkien and Lewis did weave much of the same setting into their books. As I was watching LOTR:ROTK last night (what an **awesome** movie) I did think to myself several times, "Wow, if they can make LOTR look this beautiful, the Narnia chronicles could be made just as beautiful."

    This is also good news because it means the movies are finally taking shape. They were announced almost two years ago, but there hasn't been much word on them since.

    This will, of course, lend to one major disclaimer for all Tolkien and LOTR fans who haven't read the Narnia chronicles: the movies will seem similar in setting, goal, and underlying theme. That having been said, they're drastically different stories. While there will be numerous similarities (which ignorant reviewers will peck at Narnia for, unfortunately) Tolkien was setting out to tell a story, create a world, and totally immerse the reader in Middle Earth. Lewis had more apologetic aims with his books, and this is by no means a secret fact. Hopefully they don't temper this angle too much with the movies. Certainly not everybody is thrilled by an underlying Christian theme, but removing it would make the story anemic.

    Even so, Lewis' books are strong strong works on their own, and they deserve as rich a treatment as LOTR received. The two books/series are widely regarded as some of the best fantasy work written in the 20th century. That Lewis and Tolkien were friends sweetens the deal.

    I'm looking forward to it!

    1. Re:Cool! Good news by instantkarma1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dude, I've read the Narnia series and liked it.....but in putting LOTR and Narnia on the same level is like putting War & Peace on the same level as Tales from the Brother Grimm.

      While both fantasies were written by British authors who were friends and happened to work together, that's about the end of that. Tolkien detested allegory of any kind, whereas the whole Narnia series were just that. Tolkien created a rich mythology with a deep history, whereas Lewis simply took the Christian mythos and branched out a bit. The characters are deeper in LOTR and the sheer weight of the history behind the stories by Tolkien was immense.

      To sum up, one is an epic tale (or mythos), whereas the other is a children's story.

    2. Re:Cool! Good news by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To sum up, one is an epic tale (or mythos), whereas the other is a children's story.

      I strongly disagree. I'm a fan of both LOTR (I've read it 7 times and it was my FIRST book I've read once I learned how to read), and a fan of Narnia Cronicles (which I actually have read only 3 times).

      Both of them are excellent tales for children and I'm going to read them both once again. But this time aloud, for my cute little daughter when she goes to sleep.

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  12. Allegory in Movies by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I suspect (perhaps incorrectly) that the adaptation of the stories of a WWI veteran to movies in New Zealand was given the greenlight because of the success of another WWI vet (JRR Tolkien), but this brings up a question that I've had in my mind for a while "Do good allegorical stories make for good movies?"

    An allegory (at least as I use the term) is a subject that is described by using another subject in it's place (sort of like an extended metaphor).

    Tolkien and Lewis are on opposite sides of the fence when it comes to allegory. Tolkein despising it and Lewis making heavy use of it. On the written page, I think that the use or avoidence of allegory is fine, but I'm not sure that it works on film.

    Film is just such an overwhelmingly visual medium and allegory is such an abstract tool. It may be possible to depict the Lion Aslan as an allegory of Jesus on the written page, but on film you will see such an overwhelming embodiment of "big cat" that unless there's a narrator or someone hitting you over the head with "Lion = Jesus" the allegory will just be overwhelmed.

    The only example of strict allegory that I recall in a modern film was Battlefield Earth but that may be an unfair example (as there were many other reasons why that movie was so poorly received).

    Of course, many people already know the allegory that Lewis used in his tales and no doubt it will be brought up again and again by movie critics and sunday school teachers before the movie debuts, but if people didn't go in already having been told what to expect, would the allegory have been obvious?

    Just idle wondering I suppose...

    1. Re:Allegory in Movies by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I read the Narnia books around the time I was in 5th grade. My family is not religious, never go to church, no praying before dinner, none of that etc. I didn't catch *any* of the christian allegory in Narnia and I still really, really liked the stories. (In fact I was really surprised to learn that CS Lewis was such the theological philosopher since I had heard stories of fundies trying to ban Narnia at the same time all the D&D-is-devil-worship hype was going on.) So, I think that these movies could be entirely successful if they just left the allegory as it is, let people the audience draw their own conclusions but don't try to hit them over the head with it.

      I like to think I was a precocious kid (as opposed to the dimwit adult I grew up to be today) and given how well LCD type entertainment does nowadays, I figure that was interesting to a smart 5th grader will probably be interesting enough for the average American adult movie viewer (as well as most kids).

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  13. Re:Whoops! Wrong turn down the Christian byway by jotok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually...I don't think you can explain away the Christian element in Lewis' stories (or Tolkein's, for that matter). It's not "a product of the times" nor an attempt to appease a certain audience... It is rather the point of the story, in fact. If that sort of thing turns you off, then by all means, you are invited not to watch it.

  14. Re:Whoops! Wrong turn down the Christian byway by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the heavy-handed smearing of christian admonishments throughout the series largely puts me off

    Don't worry, rumor has it all that stuff is being removed. It also looks like HarperCollins is spinning this as a way of exploiting the Harry Potter popularity and is planning 'revised' Cristianity-free versions of the books as well. The are also rumored to be working on followup books written in the 'Narnia' universe.

    Of course this has the author spinning in his grave, and lots of protest from people who knew CS Lewis.

    One person remarked that they are turning Narnia into the British 'Mickey Mouse'.

    Sickening IMHO.

  15. Oscars? by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, any bets on how long before New Zealand really does win that Oscar for "Best Supporting Country" like their tourist board is using in its adverts?

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  16. I doubt we will see all seven books become films by iiioxx · · Score: 4, Informative

    My prediction is that we will see, The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe, followed by Prince Caspian, The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and possibly The Silver Chair. These "core" books feature a fairly contiguous story, and a steady progression of main characters.

    The Horse and His Boy is very much a standalone tale with little to do with the other books in the series (other than the fact that it is set in Narnia and surrounding countries and features brief appearances by Aslan and the Four Children). I'm not sure it would fit well in a series of "sequels".

    The Magician's Nephew is actually the prequel to the entire series, detailing the creation of Narnia, etc. It would be difficult (though, not impossible) to integrate it into a Narnia series if it was produced after LWW. Then again, I'm still holding out hope that Peter Jackson will make The Hobbit now that the Lord of the Rings series is complete. So maybe, the producers of the Narnia series will build fanbase with the "core" books first and then bring in The Magician's Nephew to wrap up the series.

    However, I doubt The Last Battle will ever hit the silver screen. It was always my least favorite book of the series, for many of the reasons that would probably make it a poor film. It takes a long time to get rolling, it's really kind of a downer for much of the book (well, duh, it's about the end times), and the Christian religious undertones of the previous books become the overtones of The Last Battle. It clearly shifts from being a fantasy series to being a Christian theological tretise.

    One other reason why The Horse and His Boy and The Last Battle will likely NOT be made into films: without a major rewrite, they both paint the religion of Islam in a very unfavorable light, and in these times of post-9/11 issues of religious discrimination, would likely be more controversial than the studios would be willing to accept.

    The original post mentioned a five-movie series, and I couldn't find anything in any of the links detailing what five books of the seven book series would be made. Maybe this was a typo on the submitter's part, or maybe I just missed the reference in the articles. But if in fact, there will be only five movies made, I would guess that The Horse and His Boy and The Last Battle would be the ones to be dropped.

  17. WETA is this Decade's ILM by lunadude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They have the torch. ILM was real good at envirnments, hardware, and explosions. WETA seems to bias in the direction of organics. Nifty turn of style and public taste.

  18. Anybody remember last time... by telekon · · Score: 4, Interesting
    That these were made into films? Most (but I believe not all) of the books were adapted in British made-for-TV movies that aired over here on "Wonderworks" on PBS in the 80's.

    Granted, I haven't seen any of these in years... I was a little kid at the time... but those films were great, production values notwithstanding.

    I really hope the new films do as well with the text as those did. And, as a side note, I don't remember a whole lot of heavy-handed Christian doctrine in the films... although even at that age, I could see it plainly in the books.

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  19. Uhm..... by Androgynous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kids *are* reading the books. There have been numerous articles in national newspapers discussing kids reading as a result of some blockbuster movie adaptation in addition to Harry Potter such as Lord of the Rings.

    I think the point of the article I read in the NY Times was that pre-teens were more open to read other books at the recommendation of their parents after reading (gasp!) Harry Potter. Why knock it?

  20. Re:Satanic! by Bagels · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know this is a troll, but I'll bite... it's really rather the opposite. The Narnia series is really more or less one big metaphor for Christian mythology, with the Lion playing the role of Christ, the Witch playing the role of Satan, and the children playing the role of the disciples (complete with one of them playing the role of Judas). The series parallels several pieces of Christian mythology in a fantasy setting, leading up to the book "The Last Battle," which is more or less the metaphor for Judgement Day.

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  21. What next? by Reducer2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

    First they corrupted Dr. Suess, then Lord of the Rings, now this? What's next?

    "Where The Sidewalk Ends", starring Ben Affleck as the sidewalk?

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  22. Re:Whoops! Wrong turn down the Christian byway by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Insightful


    I read some of these books when I was younger and thought they had a good story and plot. I wasn't concerned with the religious connotations.

    They do indeed have a nice story and plot; I thoroughly enjoyed them when I was a younger reader. However, I also re-read them as a college student--and was frankly astonished at the religious allegory my young mind didn't see the first time. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing--and I'm a longtime atheist--but it seemed a lot less like "fantasy" and a lot more like "religious propaganda." I think that you'll find these books to have a different focus depending on your religious awareness--and if you went to the movie as an adult after only have read the books as a young child, you would be pretty appallled at the Christian overtones, even if faithfully adapted.

    I think, for this reason, that these movies will not escape religious criticism as the LOTR series did. Either the director will adapt the books faithful to a young-child's perspective, heavy on the fantasy and light on the Xtian, which will piss of the Xtians and CS Lewis scholars--or the director will maintain the Xtian overlay in fact in the books, and adult viewers will wonder where all the Xtian crap came from, and wonder why their cherished childhood memories were perverted to serve some Xtian purpose.

    It'll be interesting to see how this goes down--but before you say that the religious overtones are minimal, read these books again, as an adult.

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  23. Re:Whoops! Wrong turn down the Christian byway by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 4, Insightful


    and is planning 'revised' Cristianity-free versions of the books as well

    You must be kidding. They're going to write Aslan out of the series? CS Lewis didn't include this stuff in an off-handed way--Xtian elements are critical to his story-line. I sure as hell won't buy those books, even as an atheist. An author has the right to say what he intends to say, without being sterilized for later generations.

    Kind of reminds me of some warnings from Bradbury, as a matter of fact. Who's next? Take the Raven from Poe? Take the Cthulhu from Lovecraft? Will Dracula be beaten by group hugs, in a "modernized" version?

    I would like to see links to these rumors, actually, so I can lend my voice to the protest. Removing the Xtian elements in CS Lewis is like removing the logic from Sherlock stories.

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  24. Do the Space Trilogy Instead by Brown+Line · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The Narnia books have some wonderful writing in them, but the allegory is pretty heavy-handed. Also, Lewis's jumbled mythology - fawns and satyrs alongside Father Christmas and Norse frost giants - just doesn't work; and the children are weak protagonists. Also, the scriptwriters will have their hands full with the children's dialogue: either they can be true to the originals' pre-WWI public-school slang and confuse many of the American viewers; or they can update it and risk the wrath the books' fans. Not an easy problem.

    I would much rather see Lewis's Out of the Silent Planet adapted to film. Weda could do marvelous work imagining the space voyage and the inhabitants of Lewis's Mars. The hero, Dr. Ransom, who was modelled after Tolkien himself, is much more interesting than anyone in the Narnia books, including Aslan. It would be another great role for Ian McKellan; or if you think McKellan is too old, perhaps Alan Rickman. Just my $0.02 worth.

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  25. c. s. lewis and tolkien by frankmu · · Score: 4, Informative

    here's an interesting article on how the two authors and the the two sagas were intertwined.

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  26. LOTR is making them gutsy. by Maul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It looks as if the blatant success of Lord of the Rings may start a trend of drawn out fantasy series being made into movies. If or not these will be successful as well remains to be seen, but I personally think that it will be hard to reproduce LOTR's phenomenon.

    Narnia's story line is a lot less continuous than LOTR's, especially when you get past the fourth book.

    Since they are making five films, it would almost make sense that they are doing LWW, Prince Caspian, Dawn Treader, Silver Chair, and then Last Battle. This would skip The Magician's Nephew and A Horse and His Boy, which would likely be OK. It is also unlikely that they'll make each movie 3 hours long. They may decide to release two a year.

    I wonder how mutilated the stories are going to be though. Narnia's "Christian themes" are considerably stronger than LOTR's. The Last Battle especially forces a lot of things down people's throats. I wonder if things will be changed so that these themes aren't as strong.

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  27. Re:Whoops! Wrong turn down the Christian byway by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one's stuffing Christianity down your throat, (especially here in America).

    One thing you need to realize in this life is that everyone is different. You will need to grow a thicker skin if you are to avoid being offended by seeing people different than you. That some of these people advertise their differences more than others is beside the point.

    A Salvation Army kettle on the street corner shoves nothing down your throat. The Mayor's Prayer Breakfast shoves nothing down your throat. An fish bumper sticker shoves nothing down your throat. Even the evangelist knocking at your door shoves nothing down your throat, because you can always say "go away" and shut the door.

    You don't have the choice of living in a world where everyone believes exactly the same as you, but you do live in a world where your "throat" is your own.

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