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Digital Music Stores Reviewed

Kozz writes "If you've thought about trying the new Napster 2.0, or perhaps MusicMatch, or even WAL*MART music service, you really need to read this review at BBspot.com. Brian takes a break from his standard satire fare and writes a comprehensive review not only of the previously mentioned stores, but also of BuyMusic.com, eMusic, Apple iTunes, and RealOne Rhapsody. It breaks down the features of each service, the prices, restrictions, general pros and cons, and really gives you an idea of which one(s) you should try depending on your needs."

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  1. Wal-Mart? by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Something in the back of my head is echoing that soft warning that I always hear when I think of wal-mart. Watch, they'll undercut and dominate this market place too.

    Wal-Mart is going to be the Microsoft of the general retailer consumer good and grocery markets, I swear.

    1. Re:Wal-Mart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "We want clean air, clear water, good living conditions, the best health care in the world--yet we aren't willing to pay for anything manufactured under those restrictions."

      Indeed. Welcome to capitalism.

    2. Re:Wal-Mart? by LtOcelot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Pity" and "scolding" don't enter into it. The articles you linked refer to effects on customers, whereas the main point of the article you're responding to was that dealing with Wal-Mart is dangerous for suppliers. Vlasic was in a position where 30% of their business came from Wal-Mart, and they couldn't afford to abandon that -- so Wal-Mart played hardball and essentially forced Vlasic to provide Wal-Mart with a free advertising campaign that killed Vlasic's profitability.

      Since Wal-Mart has a superior bargaining position with respect to its suppliers, it's natural for the deals it makes to be better for it than for them. The consumer might not care, but the supplier should move with caution.

    3. Re:Wal-Mart? by li99sh79 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yeah and we pay a fee on every transaction for the privilege of using ATM machines, which save banks tons of money since they don't have to pay it a salary to sit there and dispense money. Go figure. Of course ATM fees only apply if you use a "Foreign" ATM. So long as you stick to your bank's ATMs you won't be hit with a service charge. And if your bank charges you a fee for using their ATMs...switch banks.

      Personally I love both ATMs and the self-check out express lines. I just think they're more convenient and faster than going to the teller window or dealing with a traditional check-out lane. And it's for the same reason I like buying music on the iTMS, you don't have to to deal with the mental rejects working the check-out lane/teller window/cash register.

      -sam

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  2. you aren't buying anything, it's a service by Doppler00 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "File Type: Songs bought from Napster were available as protected .wma files ripped at 128 k."

    Great, not only is only 128k, it's probably lower quality than OGG, and I'm guessing that if you're computer hard drive were to fail (likely) you would lose every song you 'bought' because the license file is probably tied to your OS in some way.

    Maybe paying $10/month and using it like a radio station wouldn't be to bad, but letting people think that they 'bought' the song when you have no ability to make back up copies is stupid. Yes it mentioned burning it to a CD, but that would be an extra step re-encoding it back into the PC, and the quality would be lower.

    1. Re:you aren't buying anything, it's a service by hendridm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > If you break a CD from the store, are they obligated to give you a new one? What if it gets stolen? This is no different from the way it's been in the past.

      I'm not willing to accept that. If it was, indeed physical property I was buying that I could do what I want with, I might buy that argument. But according to the RIAA, I don't own the song - I have been issued a limited license to use it. Because of this restriction, I figure the least they can do is have some sort of "locker" or "purchase history" where I can re-download songs I've purchased licenses to in the past. I've sever other services that do this (font stores, stock photo libraries, etc) - why not digital music? Perhaps they could charge a *reasonable* bandwidth fee for the extra download(s)?

    2. Re:you aren't buying anything, it's a service by Now15 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can still buy new cassette players, turntables, and there's no shortage of servicable open reel players. And that's just audio formats.

      The CD format has been adopted by not only the music industry, but also the entire computer industry. Its form factor has been adopted for many current and future technologies -- DVD mechanisms support the CD, so there's a third industry invested in it.

      No, the CD isn't going anywhere. It'll still be well supported long after the last HD-DVD is manufactured.

      The dyes in your CD-R media will decompose long before the supply of CD-compatible players dries up.

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  3. Perhaps... by mikeophile · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea of actually paying for music online is still regarded as satirical by some?

    1. Re:Perhaps... by orthogonal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea of actually paying for music online is still regarded as satirical by some?

      I'd be glad to pay for music online. I want to be able to buy music online. I'm willing to pay a fair price. Otherwise, I can't easily get music, because, as an ethical matter, I'm unwilling to play music I haven't acquired legally.

      But these services don't sell music. They rent licenses to play music, and give no assurance the license will remain in existence if they go out of business, or my hard drive goes tits up, or I move to Canada, or I get a new portable.

      iTunes does allow me to preserve a copy if I'm willing to sacrifice a CD-RW on the way to getting it on my hard drive where it's actually convenient.

      But if I'm going to do all that, I'd just as soon buy a CD -- iTunes isn't that much less expensive -- and be able to re-rip if I decide to change formats in the future. (Eventually storage will be cheap enough for me to store FLACs or another lossless form of CDs on my hard drive.)

      So buying online gives me instant gratification but future frustration. Buying in a store takes longer, but gives me a format that remains usable into the future, because I can control the format. So what's the compelling reason to buy online for me?

  4. Digital music?! by F'Nok · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Until they realise that people don't want to pay for music per listen - but buy the right to listen to a song as many times as they want, whenever they want, in whatever format they want - these online stores are never going to be very successful.

    If I have to deal with one more WMA file I think I'll go nuts.

    The simple fact is, most people like to have a 'hard' copy of their favourite music, and the only reason that many don't buy them is because of the price.
    If it were $5 a CD I would buy every album I liked (and I would buy a hell of a lot). What they really nede to do to increase sales is introduce some sort of 'decent' rewards program, where the more often you buy music, the cheaper it is for you. (not the crappy buy 4 CD's and you can have one of these UNHEARD of bands albums!)

    P2P is winning not because people *want* to steal, but because the prices of CD's are too prohibitive for many people, and many find it offensive that the bands get so littl of the profit!

    They need a policy change, NOT a retailer change.

    1. Re:Digital music?! by ziggles · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I always find that "bands get so little of the profit" argument so weak. The band knew what they were getting into when they signed the record contract (and if they didn't that's their own fault). If they wanted a larger percentage of profit per cd they should try distributing it themselves. It's not the consumer's responsibility to make sure the artist gets enough money. It's the artist's responsibility to make sure the artist gets enough money.

    2. Re:Digital music?! by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Until they realise that people don't want to pay for music per listen - but buy the right to listen to a song as many times as they want, whenever they want, in whatever format they want - these online stores are never going to be very successful.

      Apparantly you are not familiar with iTunes?

      The simple fact is, most people like to have a 'hard' copy of their favourite music, and the only reason that many don't buy them is because of the price.

      What exactly is a 'hard' copy? I get the feeling most people are just fine with a digital file on their hard drive.

      If it were $5 a CD I would buy every album I liked

      Yeah, and if it were 25 cents a CD, I would buy every album I liked ... what's your point? Apple charges 99 cents a song, and 9.99 for most albums. This is, to me and most people, a fair price. In exchange, you get massive convenience, fair DRM, the ability to backup the files to CDROM and use them on any 3 computers you want, the ability to pick and choose songs off albums, etc.

      P2P is winning not because people *want* to steal, but because the prices of CD's are too prohibitive for many people, and many find it offensive that the bands get so littl of the profit!

      They need a policy change, NOT a retailer change.


      They've MADE a policy change! Was there a way to buy music like iTunes before iTunes? No. You rented the music, or you downloaded it off a P2P network (at your own risk). People said, give us a way to easily buy the music from you for a reasonable price, and we will. Apple listened and delivered. End of story.

      Their selection will grow, their clout with the labels will grow, we will see competition amongst the online music retailers like Apple, and we have a good shot of 'winning.'

      I don't think it's reasonable for someone to justify downloading music off P2P networks for free by saying, "Well, if they sold me the albums for $X then I'd stop downloading them for free!"

      I'm satisfied with iTunes, and I put pressure on my favorite artists and their labels to sell their albums on iTunes.

      AND I DON'T EVEN OWN AN IPOD!

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    3. Re:Digital music?! by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The other problem with this lame argument is that these people are trying to justify not paying for the album -- essentially saying, well my favorite artist is only getting X cents an album, so I'll just prevent them from getting that as well! After all, if they don't get the majority of the money per CD, why get any?

      Wonderful logic.

      I support my favorite artists by seeing them live. I buy their CD's, and if they aren't making money off them that's their problem. The market will work itself out.

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  5. There's a place for brick and mortar by Eberlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Online Features? What exactly DO we need in features? Near CD-quality, not very restrictive DRM, a good selection, and a decent price. Searches, reviews, and recommendations would be cool, too. You can get most of that in a record store with a knowledgeable music buff on the other side of the counter.

    What you don't get is the rustic appeal of going into a music store and enjoying the crowd and ambience. It's not the same when you're quoting NIN lyrics to a friend while passing by people who are shopping the contemporary christian aisle. Not the same as being able to watch people in goth clothing walk by. Not the same as being able to say "Chris I-Suck" (Chris Isaak) in public.

    Shop online for convenience, but it's still an experience. Brick and mortar stores still have something to offer. If nothing else, it makes getting music a social event instead of a personal thing. If you're the type to get the latest Britney Spears album, though...you may want to buy online and save yourself some ridicule. :)

  6. Re:How about... none. by Mononoke · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't want to give the RIAA my money, and distribution via the net doesn't change that at all. I buy the few CDs I want at concerts, in the hope that I'll still get legitimate music and the RIAA will get less money.
    Unless you are buying music from unsigned bands at these concerts, then you're not doing anything different from buying at Walmart.

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  7. Re:How about... none. by 77Punker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about buying CD's from bands that aren't from the RIAA? I like punk rock, and most of the good honest punk rock bands aren't on the RIAA. If you're not sure who is (it can be hard to tell) try here and it'll tell you if they're part of the cartel. Good Stuff.

  8. EULA Reviews? by raydaniels · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anybody know of a good review of the EULA's of these stores? I think that's a pretty important part, and this reviewer seemed to kind of gloss over that part, perhaps not having read them all (understandable.)

  9. Re:Highly Windows-Centric by damiam · · Score: 4, Insightful
    With iTunes you're locked into the iPod, with the other stores you're locked into DRM-supporting WMA portables. Considering that there are probably at least as many iPod owners as all WMA/DRM-supporting devices combined, I don't think it much matters.

    Also, I personally would rather buy music from iTunes, because the M4P format has been cracked. That means that I can completely un-DRM the music and listen in any AAC-supporting player of my choice, on any platform. You don't have that freedom (yet) with WMA.

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  10. Re:How about supporting bands you like by acomj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you don't like the RIAA don't buy music. You should note that the record labels pay the RIAA, you don't directly.

    Note if you have a song from a band and you didn't pay for it the RIAA isn't getting money, but neither is the band.

    The band might only be getting a little bit from the sale, but they signed with an RIAA label and a little is better than 0.

    If you like the music support those making it.

  11. Re:Caveat emptor by stubear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They do pay for bandwidth and maintenence of the servers to host the music. These aren't single machines sitting in some geek's basement you know, they;re rather large and distributed facilities to enusre a decent level of performance when users log on.

  12. Re:How about... none. by ldspartan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe 'few' wasn't a strong enough word in my original post. The only CD I've purchased in recent memory from anyone who wasn't a (clearly unsigned) collegiate acappella group (call it 18+ months) was for my girlfriend, at a Rider's in the Sky concert.

    I think I'm doing my part.

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  13. Re:Highly Windows-Centric by Graff · · Score: 4, Insightful
    With iTunes you're locked into the iPod, with the other stores you're locked into DRM-supporting WMA portables.

    Not true. With iTunes you can burn a CD and play that on any CD player, totally DRM-free. If you want to you can also re-rip those songs off the CD into any format you choose, again totally DRM-free. Then they can be played on any player you want.

    Also, I personally would rather buy music from iTunes, because the M4P format has been cracked.

    The M4P format has not been cracked at all. What was done was someone patched the binaries of iTunes so that they could capture the unencrypted data while it was being played (or streamed, I forget which). That data can then be re-captured into a DRM-free format. It's basically similar to burning a CD and then ripping it, without the CD step.

    The advantages to iTunes and the iTunes Music Store are the awesome user interface, the minimal DRM, the song selection, the exclusive tracks. the iPod, its cross-platform nature, and the fact that it will be around for a while considering it has at least 50% of the market.
  14. You are going to be waiting a long time by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I applaud the Ogg effort, but lets be real - Ogg is a non-starter. Okay, the sound quality is better than mp3, but not audibly better to most people. mp3 is far more ubiquitous - it is supported by EVERY major portable device (even if it is shunned by the pay-for-play services).

    The issue at the end of the day is this - when I go on Kazaa and download a song - what format is it likely to be in?

  15. Re:How about supporting bands you like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you don't like the RIAA don't buy music

    Spoken like a true RIAA propagandaist..

    What about indie bands? Oh thats right, they aren't signed with the RIAA and thus don't get any money, so therefore its not music in your world.

  16. Re:How about... none. by WaKall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That totally depends on why you aren't buying CDs. Some folks don't want to line the pockets of the RIAA (which is a fine reason), and others just don't like the format (rather buy songs than albums). I bet there's even a group that just finds buying online easier.

    For the second group above, online music buying is pretty attractive, as they can buy individual songs w/o paying 5$ for a CD single.

    Personally, I'm all about CD albums - I like the physical product, and I like being able to encode it to match my own preferences. I use iTMS to buy songs occasionally to see if I like a band/album by example, or to get 'that song' that I like from that artist that I could care less about. It means I don't have to boot up the PC, run Kazaa, hunt through dupes, and get rid of incompletes.

    Now, if you're into a band and can buy their music at the concert, or directly from the band, DO SO. They'll get a bigger cut. It won't show up in Billboard (via SoundScan, the aggravating labels that are on top of the jewel cases), but the artist gets more money, and the RIAA gets less.

    Finally, for an example of a band that has said 'screw the labels' and gone their own road, there is Marillion. They got their fans to front the cost of the last album (and the next one, which is due out next year) many months in advance of shipping, without even hearing a thing. To have a band that is that in tune with it's fans is an amazing thing. With the exception of electronic delivery, this is the revolution in music authoring and distribution that was supposed to happen.

  17. Re:The next .com bust? by obiedxss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's give it a year. I'd love to see an "online music store" year in review next December. Who will stand and who will fall?

    Apple.

    No one can hope for anything better than breaking even on their music store, not when they are selling songs for 99 cents. Walmart will be even less profitable than most services. Apple has said that iTunes is just a loss leader to sell iPods.
    People are buying iPods. People aren't buying Dell DJ's or Gateway Music DJ's or whatever those Napster players are called.

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  18. Not a consistent review... by natelr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article did have some good information but I found it was not consistent throughout. Some features were listed as pros for certain services, but not mentioned for others that also had that feature. For example: He mentioned that one allows for gift cards, but failed to mention so does itunes. He also said musicmatch offers cover art with the downloads, but failed again to mention itunes also does. I think it would have been better if there would have been some type of chart that listed all the features and simple indicated if that service had them or not.

  19. Amazing by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some of the readers of this site still fail to realize this is not the Borg hive-mind.

    SOME people are boycotting the RIAA. SOME people aren't. We all post on slashdot.

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  20. Re:Highly Windows-Centric by Graff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With iTunes you get 10 CD burns per playlist. However, just make a new playlist and drag the songs over to it and you get 10 more burns, repeat ad infinitum. There really is no limit to the total number of CD burns.

    The DRM in the iTunes Music Store is more of a speed bump than a road block. It's pretty much the bare minimum needed to be able to sell the music. You hardly even notice it because it is so minimal. I bet you can count on one hand the number of people who LEGALLY need to burn a playlist to more than 10 CDs.

  21. They won't let go by BrianRoach · · Score: 5, Insightful


    The problem with all the online music stores is ... control. You can't just download a high-quality MP3 and use it how you'd like.

    Don't think that the RIAA doesn't "get it". They do. They just don't want you to "get it". "It" being music at a reasonable price in the format you want without restrictions on how you can use it.

    The RIAA's (their members', actually) business is based on control. They want to control what you hear and how you hear it. Without this control, their entire business model breaks. If any old artist can self-publish online (or be published online by a 3rd party for a reasonable fee) with world-wide exposure ... they become redundant. I honestly believe this is their big fear.

    Everyone knows what the public wants: .mp3's (or OGG for the tech savvy) at a high bitrate for a reasonable price, conveniently. In any other industry, you'd see the producers of a product jumping on the chance to produce something that millions of people want.

    - Roach

    1. Re:They won't let go by east+coast · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Everyone knows what the public wants: .mp3's (or OGG for the tech savvy) at a high bitrate for a reasonable price, conveniently."

      The high bitrate thing is questionable, very questionable infact. Truth be told mr. and mrs. average music fan can't tell an mp3 from a wma from grandpa joe's 78 collection.

      Not to claim to be the end all and be all of the music listening public but let me be atleast honest; I bought an Archos jukebox a few months ago for 150 from Best Buy. It was one of their "open box" items and normally retailed for 225 or somesuch. In any case, it came with the absolute cheapest set of headphones that could be sold without the manufacturer getting sued for fraud. 128k recordings were too good for these. But guess what? I'll bet you dimes to dollars that your local RadShack/Best Buy/Circuit City sells more of this model of headphones than any other. The general public is either unwilling or unknowning to buy anything better.

      Don't get me wrong, If I use a set of Sennheiser HD 590s and the archos isn't a bad unit. I only use the cheap headset for when I'm out walking. And even as much as RockBox has helped the sound out the fact is that they're still a cheap headset. I'm sure the majority of mp3 player buyers have never replaced the crap that comes with their units.

      it's like the guy with the 150 dollar 5.1 setup from k-mart (with DVD player! yahoo!). sure it does what it says it does but It's still crap. but do you think they care? go find out how many of these units sell and you'll have your answer.

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  22. Re:The next .com bust? by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'd never buy a full CD from one of these places. However, for individual songs, they're great.

    For example, if I'm a Nirvana fan, I have all their albums. Then they release a "greatest hits" CD with 10 songs I already have, and 2 new ones. Spend $15 for stuff I already have, -- or -- $2 for the ones I don't have. It's a no-brainer.

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  23. eMusic? Read the article? Hello? by autechre · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You obviously want to buy your music through eMusic, which is one of the services covered in the article. They work with independent artists, which should be obvious when you see that they distribute the music as unrestricted VBR MP3s.

    Their service also allows non-US users and explicitly supports Linux.

    One of the indie music directors from the online college radio station linked below in my sig has bought tons of music from eMusic. If you've ever known someone in that position, I don't think I need to say anything else.

    You shouldn't "hope" you're not buying RIAA-backed CDs. It's pretty easy to tell at many concerts; if the band is good and their CD is between $5 and $10 (or even $15), it's not from the RIAA because they wouldn't be allowed to charge that little.

    (I read the article earlier today and emailed some corrections, but I read BBspot every day).

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  24. Re:How about... none. by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Hypocrisy sucks, pick a stance and stick with it."

    It's not about taking down the RIAA, it's about them providing the services we want. They're starting to do that. If they make money on these services, we'll all end up okay.

    Lighten up.

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    "Derp de derp."
  25. Re:Highly Windows-Centric by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    With iTunes you can burn a CD and play that on any CD player, totally DRM-free. If you want to you can also re-rip those songs off the CD into any format you choose, again totally DRM-free. Then they can be played on any player you want.

    But AAC is a lossy format which you'd be burning to a CD and then re-encoding into probably another lossy format (MP3). Quality will be crappy. Where are the music services that offer FLAC downloads or some other lossless music file format with or without DRM? The RIAA wants them to charge based on what a CD with 12-15 tracks would cost, but fails to properly warn the public that what they're downloading is far inferior to the audio quality you'd get with a real CD. Personally a cheap knock-off 192kbps mp3 or AAC encoded music track is only worth about 5 cents to me. If it was in FLAC I'd consider it for $1 since if I uncompressed it I'd have the exact same thing I'd get with the CD.