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Bollywood Embraces Kazaa Movie Downloads

MaximusTheGreat writes "While Hollywood tries to debate how to tackle P2P movie downloads, Bollywood the world's largest film industry has decided to embrace it. This could usher in a new era of legal movie downloads like iTunes for music, as Bollywood, the Indian film industry produces 1000 movies a year and outstrips hollywood by almost 3:1. Theaters worldwide sold some 3.6 billion tickets to Bollywood films last year, compared with Hollywood's 2.6 billion. In revenue terms Bollywood is already larger than the British, Hong Kong, Japanese and Italian movie industry and is growing at a very fast rate."

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  1. No kidding, Spanky. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Hollywood has been slow to embrace downloads

    Understatement of the year.

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    1. Re:No kidding, Spanky. by JamesP · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hollywood has been slow to embrace downloads

      Understatement of the year.


      Maybe ther's still using dial-up...

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  2. Bollywood movies are terrible, though. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    A good analog would be if iTunes only offered JPop.

    1. Re:Bollywood movies are terrible, though. by commo1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not true.... Many filsm coming out of that part of the world are gaining fans all around the world. It is truly a refreshing change from the trash we usually get here. There are going to be some duds. I am surprised, though, that they sell more tickets than Hollywood does. The net gross is nowhere near as LA.....

    2. Re:Bollywood movies are terrible, though. by Frymaster · · Score: 4, Funny
      Think of the most predictable dross about a boy and a girl you can, add in a load of songs

      and hollywood doesn't make trash? man, i've got three words for you:

      1. beverely
      2. hills
      3. ninja
    3. Re:Bollywood movies are terrible, though. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hollywood makes a lot of trash, but the difference is that in America (and Europe, and Japan, and China) there are thriving independent/auteurist filmmakers who can make quality work and find funding for it. India has almost nothing like that right now - and Bollywood productions are completely, utterly formulaic in a way that even Hollywood doesn't approach. A generally censorious environment doesn't help much.

      There are a number of great Indian filmmakers - of course, there was Satyajit Ray, one of the greatest filmmakers ever - but they don't enjoy the same beneficial relationship with Bollywood that American independents have with Hollywood.

    4. Re:Bollywood movies are terrible, though. by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So, you can pick 1 bad film. And yes, there are plenty of bad films produced by Hollywood, no doubt. From what I've read here and heard elsewhere, people are talking up something like 5 out of thousands of movies.

      The Bollywood industry doesn't produce classics, or certaily have failed to export them (although a small film maker like Ray managed it). Out of thousands and thousands of movies, how many do you know? And yet, I imagine you could name some French, Australian, Spanish, Chinese and Japanese movies.

      This industry is more like the film making of Roger Corman - transient, fast buck making work.

  3. C'mon you KNOW you were thinking of this.... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hooray for Bollywood
    That screwy, ballyhooey Bollywood!
    Where any office boy
    Or young mechanic
    can be a panic
    With just a good-looking pan
    And any barmaid
    Can be a star maid
    If she dances with or without a fan
    Hooray for Bollywood!
    Where you're terrific
    if you're even good!
    Where anyone at all from Shirley Temple
    to Aimee Semple
    is equally understood
    Come on and try your luck
    You could be Donald Duck
    Hooray for Bollywood!

    Hooray for Bollywood!
    That phony, super Coney, Bollywood
    They come from Chilicothes and Padukahs
    with their bazookas
    To see their names up in lights
    All armed with photos
    From local rotos
    With their hair in curlers
    and legs in tights
    Hooray for Bollywood!
    You may be homely in your neighborhood.
    Still, if you think that you can be an actor
    See Mister Factor
    He'd make a monkey look good!
    Within a half an hour
    You'll look like Tyrone Power
    Hooray for Bollywood!

    1. Re:C'mon you KNOW you were thinking of this.... by TobyWong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me guess you were in the drama club. Probably got a dance routine to go along with it too.

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    2. Re:C'mon you KNOW you were thinking of this.... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're lucky this probably falls under the parody clause (for now) of the copyright laws or you'd have some RIAA lawyer on your ass right about now.

  4. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    at least SOME films that come out of Hollywood show traces of originality and thinking outside the box. Every Bollywood film i've seen on TV could've been created with some sort of VB app.

  5. Bollywood by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well... since they have them beat on quantity, they must have them beat on quality.

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  6. my roommate in college by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    from new dehli, said every bollywood movie has the same plot:

    2 boys, separated at birth, fall in love with the same woman, except one is rich/ powerful/ a cop and the other is poor/ a farmer/ a thief... they fight each other for the woman, and there is much singing and dancing throughout

    he said that is basically every movie made in bollywood ;-P

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    1. Re:my roommate in college by mirko · · Score: 4, Informative
      He obviously has not seen
      • Devdas (modern Romeo&Juliet like),
      • Lagaan(cricket against the Brits)
      • nor even Monsoon wedding (she prepairs to get married with a guy she doesn't know)...

      • Where are the testosteroned rivals, here ?
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    2. Re:my roommate in college by .!.+(0.o)+.!. · · Score: 5, Funny
      every bollywood movie has the same plot
      you mean like Hollywood movies?
  7. Not gonna work... by seanyboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the taking on titanic link: My guess is that at 8 per cent of the cost we can achieve 90 per cent of the production quality of any of their movies. The last mile will cost us more, given the current status of the technology available here-but even that we can achieve at, say, another 8 per cent. This is why Bollywood will ultimately fail. Sure, they have a bigger market, and they make more movies, but Hollywood knows the cost (and value) of western movies. The Indian distributers can flood Kazaa with as many Bollywood movies as they want, and they can expend that extra 8% of effort, but very few people in the west will spend money on this.

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  8. Outsourcing by IPFreely · · Score: 4, Funny

    It looks like the tech industry isn't the only one being outsourced to India.

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  9. Bollywood by kjba · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like this Bollywood thing bas a buge and beroic future abead.

  10. Re:India by cygnusx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think in another 50 years that India will be beside the US in terms of being a world superpower. In a hundred it will be the most powerful nation in the world

    Not unless they figure out how to think as one nation instead of several chauvinistic states. Oh, and get rid of the pork-bellied ruling class that has held the country back so far.

  11. Now... by Fizzlewhiff · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only if I was fluent in Hindi and enjoyed musicals.

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  12. goodness gracious me! by tuxette · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Good on ya, Bollywood!

    For those of you not familiar with Bollywood flicks, you kind of have to watch them in a similar way you watch Hong Kong kung-fu flicks. You have similar cheeziness factors, recurring themes (boy meets/loses girl and singing and dancing in one, "you killed my father..." and fighting in the other), and so on. It's good fun actually...

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  13. Do demographics factor in? by Helmholtz+Coil · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I wonder if maybe one factor driving their decision was demographics, or the perceptions of demographics.

    It almost seems as though Bollywood's perception is that their core Indian market won't be affected by offering the movies online-the original article quotes something like 1 million out of 1 billion people in India have Internet access. So from their point of view, putting movies online can't really parasitize their existing market because it isn't connected. So they can only win-even if somebody finds a way around any protection on the movies, it still can only increase their customer base to reach people they haven't been able to in the past. In other words, even if only 1 out of 100 people actually buy the movie rather than watch any cracked version, that's still 1 more customer than they would have had otherwise.

    In contrast, Hollywood seems to perceive their customers as more connected Internet-wise, and so putting movies online will parasitize their existing market. Using the same 1 out of 100 people idea, Hollywood sees it as losing 99 rather than gaining 1.

    I'm not saying either or both is right or wrong, it just seems to me to be a difference in how each sees their core market.
    1. Re:Do demographics factor in? by weetjerm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Demographics are a huge part of Bollywood, if not everything in India. Like everything else, shows in the theater break down among class and wealth lines.

      For the lower class, movie tickets are dirt cheap. But this cheap ticket gets you standing room only, right in front of the screen, with thousands of other cheap ticket holders.

      If you can afford it, expensive tickets land you a seat in the balcony, where you don't have to rub elbows with everyone else.

      By this design, the movies are more of a social gathering than a film experience. Numerous comments have mentioned how every Bollywood film is the same plot. This is true, because nobody cares about the movies that much. As long as there is song/dance, it makes good background noise for socialization.

      Because films are already necessarily cheap, and the films themselves are not very meaningful, I doubt the Indian movie industry has much to lose from Kazaa. This is only good news for the US, as it is yet another sign that Hollywood is quite broken.

  14. This won't work by andy1307 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    AS any ethnic Indian living in the US will tell you, you can walk into an Indian grocery store and rent a pirated video cassette for the latest Bollywood flock for 2$ or less. This way, people can watch the movie on their big screen TVs instead of waiting for the movie to download and then watching it on your computer.

    I'm not saying this is a bad idea...I'm just saying it won't work with Bollywood movies.

  15. Only one problem by arvindn · · Score: 4, Informative
    (I'm Indian) I read about this a couple of weeks back. Apparently the number of downloads was 200. Not surprising: internet availability among home users is ridiculously low in India, 0.4% dialup and 0.02% broadband. Its increasing, but slowly.

    But on the other hand maybe movie distribution will become the killer app for broadband in India :)

  16. it was a joke by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    of course bollywood makes lots of different movies

    but an indian can make fun of his nation's movie industry if he wants to, just like americans like to say hollywood is too liberal/ too gun crazy, when the truth is of course more complex

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  17. How to cut costs in Bollywood? by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe they should outsource to America.

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  18. Re:Bad plots by sisukapalli1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bad plots are very successful in US too. Take, for example, the success of "reality TV". The only themes are greed (the final prize money) and lust (think, all the junk from Fox). Everything else is sort of padded on just like one would pad on a plot line in a pr0n film.

    S

  19. The article is misleading. by karmaflux · · Score: 4, Informative

    "India produces as many as 1,000 movies each year with revenues of more than $1 billion." -- The Globe and Mail
    This indicates revenue of a million a movie; that's a paltry sum which no American movie house would bother with.

    "Bollywood's global annual revenues, estimated at $1.3 billion this year, are small change compared with Hollywood's $51 billion." --Business Week
    This shoots down the other misdirection in the article. Sell all the tickets you want, Bollywood. You're still pulling less than 1/39th the cash that Hollywood takes in.

    A lot of people watch these movies. I have seen a few. To a film, they were insipid. Do yourselves a favor and avoid the musicals at all costs.
    But don't worry. They're not going to take over the film industry.

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  20. Things You Would Never Know Without Indian Movies by tcak · · Score: 5, Funny
    I might be off-topic, but what the hell....

    Introducing Things You Would Never Know Without Watching Bollywood Movies

    1. A man will show no pain while taking the most ferocious beating but will wince when a woman tries to cleanse his wounds.
    2. If a large pane of glass is visible, someone will be thrown through it before long.
    3. The hero cannot fall in love with the heroine (vice versa) unless they first perform a dance number in the rain.
    4. Once applied, make-up is permanent, in rain or in any other situation.
    5. Village girls who live among cows and sheep have perfect skin and teeth.
    6. A large group of goondoos can be shooting at the hero, but he will never be hit, unless of course he is attempting to save the heroine.
    7. A large group of goondoos can be shooting at the hero with machine guns, yet they will always miss. Every shot the hero takes from his small revolver will knock down at least ten opponents in a line.
    8. If you decide to start dancing in a field, everyone you bump into will know all the steps, and will be wearing coordinated outfits.
    9. It does not matter if you are heavily outnumbered in a fight involving martial arts-your enemies will wait patiently to attack you one by one by dancing around in a threatening manner until you have knocked out their predecessors.
    10. A heroine will have time to change outfits several times in one song, however short.
    11. In the final scene, the hero will discover that the bad guy who he is up against is actually his brother and the maid who looked after him is his mother and the chief inspector is his father and the Judge is his uncle and so forth.
    12. 2 people can be dancing in the desert and out of nowhere, 100 people will appear from god-knows-where and joins them in the dance.
  21. Re:India by TheMidget · · Score: 4, Funny
    India is truley a rising nation, it remind s me very much of the United States.

    I think in another 50 years that India will be beside the US in terms of being a world superpower. In a hundred it will be the most powerful nation in the world.

    And in 200, it will conquer Texas for its petrol... Yeah!
  22. Finally someone understands by mr_lithic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The main driver behind P2P downloading is not price. It is availability.

    Here is a thriving industry (The Indian and Pakistani film groups) offering their goods online to make them available to those who live in geographical areas that would not normally be accessible. It eliminates videotape piracy which is rampant in this marketplace and allows fans access to the content. Why have the Bollywood chiefs picked this up and the American and British Music Industry dropped the ball. Was it pressure from their distributors? Lack of knowledge of the internet? No method of micropayments?

    I would really like to know why it took a hardware manufacturer to bring in a system of legal digital content delivery (Apple and iTunes).

    It also is good to see one of the largest and most productive media producers embracing digital video distribution. This completely jumps the gun on Hollywood and leaves the North American producers playing catch-up.

  23. Re:Bad plots by dema · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yea, and than you have the Hollywood model

    1. EXPLOSION!
    2. GUN FIGHT!
    3. Advertisement
    4. EXPLOSION!
    5. GUN FIGHT!

  24. the outdated stereotype of liberals in hollywood by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    liberals hate guns

    so it's a contraction i was trying to show: either hollywood is too liberal in which case there are no war movies, all problems are solved without violence, and no one carries a gun (not true at all), or it isn't liberal

    so hollywood clearly is not liberal

    hollywood is what it is: an industry maximized to project to americans what they want to see, so whatever you call hollywood is twisting the truth of what it is

    you cannot blame hollywood for sex and violence in their films, you have to blame the amercian public: that's what they want to see, they vote with their pocketbooks

    hollywood makes movies to make money, not political statements

    you can't move into hollywood, change how it works, and suddenly change humanity. humanity is in control of hollywood through their pocket books, not vice versa.

    but certain segments of society think they can control hollywood and therefore change ugly sides of humanity, because they think that hollywood is somehow in control of what people think. that's a logical fallacy of not understanding how the cause and effect relationship between the movie and the audience actually works.

    conservatives complaing about the liberal media went out of vogue as soon as fox news grabbed ratings, so your complaint against "liberal" hollywood is outdated and contrived

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  25. Re:India by Frymaster · · Score: 5, Informative
    Israel was only formed recently, thanks to a British grant and UN intercession, yet is a world power today.

    israel is a "world power" because it is completely propped up with american handouts. the state of israel is the single biggest recipient of american foreign aid. thrity per cent of all u.s. foreign aid money goes there. thirty percent! that's $3billion a year.

    not hard to be a "world power" with those kinds of freebies.

    oh yeah, here's my source... and here and here

  26. Re:it was a joke by Deagol · · Score: 3, Insightful
    America (and thus Hollywood) has a fucked up sense about sexuality.

    Tired of the lack of decent domestic films, I've recently filled my Nexflix queue with foreign films. Apropos, just last night, my wife and I watched Sex and Lucia . We saw the unrated version, but had it been rated, I'm pretty sure it would have received a "X" rating in the US. I have no idea what rating it had in its country of origin (Spain?), but I imagine it would have been equivalent to the US's "R" rating. Having lived in Germany for a year in my youth, I know that Europeans have a much more balanced view of sexuality than most Americans.

    The point is that while there was plenty of nudity and "graphic" sex (by US movie standards), it was presented so matter-of-factly, that it blended perfectly within the context of the film. Let's face it, people have sex, and they walk around naked (at times). In a US film, every furtive (or gratuitous) breast shot or sex scene is presented in such an eye-popping, oogling fashion, that you'd think such events were somehow not normal.

    The filming was top-notch, and the story was quite the mind-bender. I highly recommend it. I just hope the rest of my non-domestic film rentals prove to be of such quality. BTW, can anyone recommend good films from Central and South America?