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Speak Freely To Be Withdrawn January 15
wrenhunt writes "The Speak Freely site has this: 'On January 15th, 2004, Speak Freely will be discontinued and removed from this Web site. Existing users may continue to use the program as long as they wish, but no further releases will be forthcoming. For details and the reasons why Speak Freely is being discontinued, please see the full end of life announcement.'" The reasons are various and interesting; it's graceful of the author to provide an explanation of why a piece of software is going away. Update: 01/11 19:22 GMT by T : As reader pi_rules points out, this story is a duplicate -- my apologies.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/20/155625 3&mode=nested&tid=126&tid=185&tid= 95
For God's sake, search for 'speakfreely' in your own engine. It returns ONE result! The same damned article!
Why isn't it easier for people to open up ports on their cheap routers ? Tell someone to "Just forward your port 4893 to your computer" and they'll look at you like you're an alien, so why not include an application to do it that goes in their start menu (in addition to the web based interface) that would detect software trying to listen, and then asking if you want these to be open ? A bit like ZoneAlarm but controlling the router...
...at "Start Menu"
SIGERR: laziness exceeds quota
They weren't in a licensed free-speech zone.
And we will call it, i don't know, Universal Plug and Play?
HINT. Do a Google search on Universal Plug and Play. It does what you are asking. I do not use it, but the latest beta firmware for my WAP supports it.
There is ... no indication that any other developer qualified to do the job and sufficiently self-motivated and -disciplined to get it done exists.
... another developer or group of developers volunteered to undertake the task, the prospects for such a program would not justify the investment of time.
In the vast herd of OSS developers, there are surely some that would qualify in both skill and motivation. Granted, one wouldn't be able to assemble a team of dozens, but that's not altogether necessary--even Linux doesn't have that.
Even if
Well, why not let them decide that?
The coolest voice ever.
Any protocol that isn't designed to accomdate NAT is incompatible with the modern Internet and is obsolete by design.
Yes, in the stone ages, the Internet was "end-to-end". It's not anymore. Sorry for your loss.
For God's sake, search for 'speakfreely' in your own engine. It returns ONE result! The same damned article!
/. editor, to them this is their last chance to slashdot that server to oblivion!
You're not thinking like a
You can't take the sky from me...
Why? Because speak freely does voice over IP with hard encryption. I don't know of any other VoIP product that does that.
So if you care about your privacy, and have the time and skill, get the source code while you still can, and make a new generation VoIP product that addresses the problems in Speak Freely while continuing to provide hard encryption.
If you wonder why you should bother, read Why You Should Use Encryption.
Thank you for your attention.
Request your free CD of my piano music.
One method which works on some NAT routers is pretty simple:
Output a packet via UDP to a particular IP address and port number. The NAT setups I've used will log that, and subsequently allow incoming UDP packets from that IP address and port number. If both machines negotiate via a third party and then trade such packets blind they can then start communicating. Note: some of the UDP packets will be lost at the start of the process... doesn't matter, not a problem.
If Linus said "I've got my family to raise, and a life to lead without being called Messiah by everyone jumping on the bandwagon,and this isn't fun anymore. you know what? I'm done. " We (/. and others) would be doing two things, one mourning the lost of our "leader" and secondly, trying to find a way to keep development going without said leader. SpeekFreely is the work of one person, if someone else thinks they can fix the problems identified (NAT issues. major code rewrite), then by all means grab the CVS code and fork another project away from the original, that's the point of OSS, you can STOP and if someone thinks it's worthwhile, they'll continue it.
~corporate tool, but employed~
RTFA
You're new here, aren't you?
The coolest voice ever.
and I know nothing about the software, I will assume it is some sort of new, better webserver that someone invented while having their morning coffee.
unfortunately for me, the program's author spells it as "Speak Freely" rather than "speakfreely," and as a result the search engine doesn't actually find that article when searching on the name.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
read this as "Speech Freedom To Be Withdrawn"? I figured Patriot Act 7 was here.
Dupe. ... For God's sake, search for 'speakfreely' in your own engine. It returns ONE result! The same damned article!
That posting was last September.
John is taking the archive down next Thursday. (Possibly Wed night - he's in Switzerland.)
A reminder post now, when we still have a few days to grab the archive, is VERY appropriate.
(Thanks, Timothy!)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Your right to speak FREELY has been revoked. Your right to speak in DUPLICATE, however, is still flourishing wildly!
He mentions that with IPv6, NAT will not be required because the address pace will be so much bigger. Does anyone know if the costs in obtaining your own static IP would then drop dramatically? I mean, will it be financially feasible for most of us to get a static IP when IPv6 is in full use? Most of us would need at least several.
XP would have saved it [extremeprogramming.org]
Would that be the single user version of XP? You know, the one where you only have one programmer.
How about a Slashdot search engine that accepts boolean operators and phrases? Or searching on a phrase plus other fields in the comment/story's DB record, like author, date, topic/section? A better search engine would use less server resources when searching, and members could search their own post history to link a new comment to an old, but still relevant, point. Slashdot's server seems to use something like the ancient "swish" freeware. This post is practically a quote of a similar email I sent to a customer back in 1995! These features are coded by Slashdot users every day. Who will help me add it to the Slashcode? Who at Slashdot is interested in rolling it out at Slashdot? I'd rather code than complain.
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Speek Freely is being withdrawn from the internet a bit earlier then expected.
What? Are you all scared?!?
All I have to do is find highly-modded posts from the previous discussion and cut-and-paste them here! Instant karma for me, he he!
What's the difference between geeks and nerds? Are nerds better communicators? This "goodbye" letter from SpeakFreely's inventor is good form, even useful documentation. It would be perfectly appropriate on the , but there's nothing. The farewell will be lost to those just picking up this orphaned project. So they won't know its heritage, its allergies, or its Dickensian origin. While a bit tearjerking, those mysteries will also contribute to the demise of this worthy contender in the VoIP evolution game. All of which could be mitigated by this little note on the little bugger's basket, in the project news page, where its new family can find it. Leave the orphan on the doorstep, not behind the dumpster.
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SF is a great program. It's not graphical bloatware, it supports many compressions, it's somewhat modular ... I've spent countless hours getting a stable 2-way voice comm over a 33.6 dialup link, back in the days, and it actually worked at some point (the rest of the time it didn't, which prompted me to change from AOL to an Internet provider. Thanks SpeakFreely!)
When I discovered I could have a voice converstaions with anybody in the world, I was so excited I picked up my phone to tell my friend!
Post this sort of thing to ask.slashdot. It probably wont make the main front page, but i can see it getting posted under the ask. section.
This is slashdot. Pairing with yourself is not something unusual for most people here.
Programming can be fun again. Film at 11.
If a person qualified and motivated to pick up development was out there, one might imagine that a full calendar year would be enough time for them to orient to the code, and resume hacking on it.
This does not appear to be the case.
Of course, if you are a slashbot who neither reads nor digests articles, I guess it is unreasonable to expect your opinions to be well-formed, relevant, or useful. I sincerely hope you are not one of the people clamoring for better editorial controls at Slashdot, if you cannot be bothered even to read the 'why' document (it's short, no big words... could even Ctrl-F for 'Sourceforge').
Remember that what's inside of you doesn't matter because nobody can see it.
-Pr0n at the touch of a button.
-If its a windows box, then CTRL-ALT-DEL on just one button is really a time saver.
Yea,, but as he pointed out the percentage of internet users verses internet consumers is quite different. I.E. your isp could give a S#*! if they lose you, an internet USER . you probably suck up more bandwith than 50 internet CONSUMERS ! Remeber, the internet did not exist before Al invented it and before Bill invented the PC thingey that you can now buy at WALL MART. Also if you know how to get a SHELL or if you know any commands such as 'NET SEND' you're probably an EVIL hacker anyway and will likely be barred from using computers by your govrenment anyway (As Soon as our corporate funded government finishes assimilating your government)
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Stop button: shutdown -h now Die!
/var/spool/mail/$0 | sed 's/Boss/ass/g' | mail -s "Found this, may be interesting" boss@work.com
Other commands to map in and have fun with...
rm -rf *
killall -9 $0
cat
Plenty of fun possibilities!
As a long-time user (since 1997) of Speak Freely, I can attest to the care, overall quality and highly useful nature of this package. It has not merely saved large amounts of money, but changed the very nature of the way I conduct communications with friends and collaborators around the world. I am sure it has done so for a great many others as well. New mailing lists have been established to replace the old, and at least one online forum has been offered as another place to carry on discussion about Speak Freely.
Overall, news of the demise of this package is greatly exxagerated. While the founder is leaving, it has already found new homes, with three projects on sourceforge, and developers working on other efforts as well.
This is a natural development in many OSS projects, the orginator sees less utility in the project than others do, and they are free to pick it up. Rather than mourn the loss of this excellent software or wring my hands over the end of OSS, I believe this is in general a healthy develpment, and I'm looking forward to more years of using this package.
Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet.
Quit believing the right wing media.
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'nuff said. Anything that can make ICQ work properly behind a NAT machine must be good.
Fight hunger. Filet a politician and send him to a 3rd world country of your choice.
It's not so much weather I belive it (It was a joke, and an old one at that) but what the average internet CONSUMER belives. And Seriously, NATing of users could be the answer to all kinds of 'problems', P2P comes to mind. Here is an interesting question, if say Comcast decided t NAT all thier customers. how many would notice the difference? Those of us who would notice would be wasting our breath with customer support. (Ever argue with them that the internet wasn't just the WWW ?
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except every one of your crappy open source desktops has emulated the windows start menu.
An answer vaguely on topic...
/usr/bin/gpg-agent /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/local/bin/speakfreely\
/usr/bin/kgpg /usr/bin/ssh /usr/bin/sshd
/tmp/* /tmp /dev/hda2
/tmp, /tmp
/dev/hda2
You might also link one of these to multiple failed xlock passwords.
don't forget to make it run nohup.
#!/bin/bash
su <<EOF
(rootpassword)
wall "Ack! someone's breaking in the door!"
dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda
EOF
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or, more realistically,
#!/bin/bash
# this script does not assume that it will run to completion
# so it tries to prioritize. It also has never been tested.
su <<EOF
(rootpassword)
wall "Physical Security Compromized!"
# Kill encryption keys.
killall -TERM\
umount -f -d (any cryptoloop filesystem)
# Dispose of accidentally saved data
# Comment out the first two lines if you don't use TmpFS
rm -rf
umount
swapoff
dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda2
# Warning: if you don't use TmpFS for
# you need to do something here to clean & scrub
# make sure we can start up cleanly.
mkswap
# Shut it down
/sbin/shutdown -h now
EOF
He hates NAT and that's pretty much it. Oh, the software has also degenerated into spaghetti code over the years, but if he didn't hate NAT so much it almost sounds like he would rewrite it from scratch. Now please, everyone, could we kill off NAT so Johnny Walker starts speaking freely again?
It was called IPFreely.
John Walker' jeremiad for the Internet claims that pure peer-to-peer archtecture (not client/server) of the Internet is being pushed to extinction by NATs. Behind NAT routers, hosts have private "IP" addresses, which are not routed (or visible) to the Internet. That makes John say, in effect, that it's not the "Internet", which is true by definition: a network of networks, with all hosts visible.
;). I remember "bang paths" for mail routing on (D)Arpanet (forgive the cryptic pun ;). The Net is now more defined by names than by numbers, which shows the humanization of the tech into a medium for people, rather than a device for machines. The DNS space is unified. Perhaps IPv6 might have forestalled the rise of NATs, with its larger/flexible address space and security. But NAT gives me the freedom to treat my entire network as one multiprocessing host. And its nobody's business, from my broadband ISP, to the person calling me, to the FCC, what I'm running in my closet. NAT+DNS preserves the open Internet, while giving me control of my appearance on it. SpeakFreely's code, by John's own admission, is not translating well through time and revisions. It's not adaptable enough to evolve. But the Internet is. And hopefully the features of SpeakFreely will move through the Net at least as memes, if not as code, in terms people can perpetuate.
But that's just a definition - finite, by definition (forgive my recursive pun
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Could something like IceT help with the situation in the future?:
IceShare is library that distributes Ogg streams on a pseudo-P2P network. It is heavily based on BitTorrent, but works on the Ogg page level, and unlike PeerCast it works with files as well as continuous streams.
It's designed to allow musicians, video producers, radio and television stations, or anyone looking to inexpensivly distribute audio/video on the web. It's intended to be initiated from websites, with links to icet:// URLs. It is not designed for P2P searching, such as Gnutella, Kazaa, and Mule provide, however websites may be setup to easily search content on one or more IceTracker servers.
Artix
Your Linux, your init.
There is a sourceforge project that aims to continue Speak Freely development. Here is their webpage. This project's succes totally depends on finding enough volunteers to do the work, so maybe it's time to do something if you like this project.
You can take anything out of context or the wrong way. Like Bush doesn't fumble every single speach - "hispanicals."
Gore took a part in the commercialization of the Internet. Before it was commercialized, it wasn't anything that anyone used except schools and such.
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Skype Shows the way to upgrade Speak Freely. I've been using Skype behind a hardware firewall and NAT that is locked down tight. When Skype found that its preferred port was not open, it simply used Port 80.
The sound quality is better than telephone. I talked to a friend in France for 2 hours yesterday.
But... It would be much better if there were an open source alternative, that could connect directly to the other person's IP, like dialpad.com did. This is a huge need, and I hope someone will accept the challenge. Otherwise the U.S. government's surveillance departments may one day control all communication: Feds Want to Tap VoIP.
creation and invention are different. I can invent something, and someone else can go and actually create it. The internet (or the concept of it) was 'invented' in universities, defense centers, etc. The actual government funding and allowance for it to be CREATED and made nation-wide took an act of congress, and in that, Gore supposedly took the initiative, and had congress approve it.
It's a joke that perpetuates a stereotype that was meticulously crafted by rightwing think-tanks then peddled on the corporate controlled media.
So everytime I hear the lie, I point out that it isn't true. You watch what they do to Howard Dean. They've already started the effort painting him in a Dan Quayle style. The big difference is that Dan Quayle really is a moronic ideologue.
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AOL-TimeWarner is the parent company of CNN. They are a mega-media company. They are controlled by millionaires. They want agressive expansion and the ability to buy up more media outlets.
So yes, they are part of the right-wing media because they kiss Bush's ass. How could a "left-wing" company spend so much time wailing on Clinton???
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Scroll down to the part labeled "Where does spin come from? Inventing the Internet".
First from dictionary.com
initiative ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-nsh-tv)
n.
The power or ability to begin or to follow through energetically with a plan or task; enterprise and determination.
A beginning or introductory step; an opening move: took the initiative in trying to solve the problem.
The power or right to introduce a new legislative measure.
The right and procedure by which citizens can propose a law by petition and ensure its submission to the electorate.
adj.
Of or relating to initiation.
Used to initiate; initiatory.
You see the term initiative is dervied largely through legislation. Gore very clearly referred to creating legislation that brought the internet to it's flurition.
Specifically, Wolf Blitzer asked follow up question regardin this statment:
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet," Gore said. "I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth, environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."
So in terms of legislation, Gore took an early lead an spearheaded internet development on capital hill. Indeed Gore was the internet's champion in Washinton.
Not once has Al Gore ever used the term INVENT in regards to his role in the internet. That is a fabrication, better known as "spin" in Republican circles. It was part of a greater scheme to make Al Gore into a serial "liar".
Indeed, they tried to make Clinton into a serial liar. So far, they only lye they've EVER caught him in regarded Monica Lewinsky.
Yes CNN IS a right-wing media outlet owned by the mega-corporation AOL-TimeWarner. Don't believe a word they say. Though CNN doesn't go as far a being a propaganda outlet for Republicans like Fox News is.
This is what Rush Limbaugh means by "liberal-bias". Anybody who doesn't agree 100% with them is the enemy. For a great narrative on the situation, read "Blinded by the Right" by famous queer right-wing convert David Brock.
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However, that's not correct. A server is only needed to tell each user the other's IP address. Once each side knows the other's IP address, there is a simply workaround for NAT.
Each sends a sacrificial UDP packet to the other. This serves to open up the sender's NAT to receiving UDP packets from the other side.
At that point, they can do peer to peer UDP.
Note that the server is only involved at the start, to tell each side the other's IP address.
I thought Ashcroft already eliminated the right to speak freely? Oh, nevermind, this is a dupe. Sorry.
Those modding up my Al Gore defenses, please be consistent. The parent posts started the issue. The thread has NOTHING to do with Al Gore. Yet you haven't extended an "Offtopic" mod to them. Likewise, responses to my Al Gore defenses are NOT modded as offtopic.
So please, be consistent. You are showing a bias, that's NOT what moderation is about. If my posts are "offtopic" than so is everyone who have responded. Furthermore, the parent should be modded "non-informative" since it is disinformation.
Finally, I would think my posting would be INFORMATIVE since I provide links to meticulous documentation as to the nature of the Al Gore Internet Invention myth. Of course, those who wish to live in ignorance, feel free to mod down anything you don't agree with.
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RFC 3489. Solution #1 from midcom, a
few others are in the pipe.
Isn't there some clever way to work around these limitations?
There will be.
The author points out that it is in "the public domain", which I take to be different than a GPL or open source program. Anyone care to clarify the difference here, in terms of the author's intentions? ie. why did he not GPL or otherwise copyright this program?
This story is worthy of being posted again, I think.
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One of the listed problems is that people behind a NAT can't receive calls without going through some kind of server. What about a server where people find each other, but then they do simultaneous TCP opens to make it work?
That is, A and B agree on a pair of ports, then they bind to them and open connections to each other simultaneously. The outgoing connection attempt should create the necessary rules on the NAT/firewall boxees, and then you're in business.
You start out with two connection attempts, but end up with just one connection. It's a neat trick that I saw in the Stevens TCP/IP book, but have never tried.
i dont understand, my router has built in port forwarding to internal adresses, i can run http servers and evrything all mapped to a dns record with DynDNS... makes it easier when u can tell your friends a domain name for game servers etc...
from what ive read either this feature doesnt seem to be on most of your routers... This is an excellent feature as u dont get the security risks as with UPnP and it still functions as a normal NAT router... Need to see more products like this
How many computers are too many?
There is absolutly no good reason what-so-ever why a static IP should cost any money at all. All IP addresses were created when the tcp/ip protocol was developed and the _ONLY_ reason they can be dynamic is because the DHCP server was designed. It costs extra to run DHCP over statics - but in some cases it may be a little more convieniant, like in a large company where you juast wnat to be able to plug a machine in.
In the begining the IP address blocks were just handed out to whoever asked for them - for free.
Later Telephone companies and ISP's learned that since they held them, they could bill for them.
This is not much different than the Oklahoma Land Grab where the early settlers got their land for free, and everyone since then has had to pay through the nose.
Early Oil and Gas rights were similarly generally given out for free to the first settlers.
If you check your history, you will probably find that the greatest concentrations of wealth in North America come from early grants that were free or very close to it. Then when certain towns grew into cities the ranchers and farmers in the area received windfall profits which they used to invest in industries that later also proved quite lucrative.
Others probably would have used the capital better, but they never had the chance because they chose the wrong parents.
Clearly the static IP address range falls into a similar pattern. It might be a very good idea if we programmers start figuring out a way that the IPv6 address range can be gurranteed to be static.
What happens with dynamic IP is analagous to the idea that every time you pick up your cell phone, the phone company injects a new phone number ito it - then proclaims that you should pay extra for a phone number that doesn't change because then your friends can call you up and that is clearly an "EXTRA" service which puts you into a different category... OH... and if you want your name to be associated with your phone then that requires a NAMESERVER (DNS) and you have to pay even more money to Verisign.
Wonderful system we have here. Clearly it is not what we want, not what we intended and we are the once getting our collective pockets picked.
Speak Freely was great when it first came out, but now we have a standard protocol for VoIP (SIP), and SF doesn't support it. Rather than keep SF alive, why not work on adding crypto to SIP clients?
Isn't Al Gore that guy who sued MacDonalds for millions of dollars after he poured hot coffee over his legs? Shocking, simply shocking...
John Walker is playing it on the safe side, and just warning users that he can no longer guarantee support as he will not be providing it himself. It is fairly mature software though, and doesn't need much updating with time, so that's why there hasn't been much development over the past few years.
Since John has withdrawn from development though, developers have been working on the NAT issue, and have a solution for many circumstances. Also the Speex codec has been added, so the quality/bitrate is now back in the league of the alternatives. So basically, it doesn't need much to keep it up to date.
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http://www.fourmilab.ch/wb/speak-freely.pl?read=50 9
The thing is that Speakfreely does Linux--Windows with crypto, an efficient codec (speex), and some NAT traversal right now. I don't know of an working alternative. Do you know any other combination that will even do linuix-windows over a 33k connection now? I can only think of the huuuge open-h323, and my experience is that it doesn't perfom anywhere near as well with less-than-ideal connections.
Hehe, Nice spin. But read a little further in the article.
Al Gore's contributions to the internet
While consistently supported funding for agencies involved in science and technology, such as the National Science Foundation and for NASA, Gore also began to give speeches and hold hearings in support of high-performance computing and networking. In 1987, for instance, Gore spoke on the floor in support of research into superconducting supercomputers:
Mr. President, I rise to discuss the subject of superconductivity and to make my colleagues aware of dramatic new developments which have been disclosed in the news media and which have been taking place in the field of science during the last 6 weeks. Last week in New York City, there was an unprecedented conference which was described by participants as unlike anything the field of science had ever seen before. A series of rapid-fire dramatic new discoveries in the science of superconductivity, which means the creation of materials which conduct electricity with no resistance whatsoever, promise to open up tremendous new applications in fields from electricity transmission to high-speed rail transit to the construction of appliances and the like. We must have a national response to this new opportunity.
It's a safe bet that very few members of Congress at the time would have felt the urge to make this kind of speech. Many may have felt little desire to listen to it, either. The point, however, is clear: Gore took an active interest in promoting the United States position in science and technology. As chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Science, Technology, and Space, Gore held hearings on these issues. During a 1989 hearing colloquy with Dr. Craig Fields of ARPA and Dr. William Wulf of NSF, Gore solicited information about what constituted a high-speed network and where technology was headed. He asked how much sooner NSFnet speed could be enhanced 30-fold if more Federal funding was provided. During this hearing, Gore made fun of himself during an exchange about high-speed networking speeds: "That's all right. I think of my [1988] presidential campaign as a gigaflop." [The witness had explained that "gigaflop" referred to one billion floating point operations per second.]
But Gore's interest and support for U.S. high-speed networking begins much earlier than 1989. As early as 1986, Gore called for, in the context of funding for the NSF, support for basic research in computer networking:
Mr. President, it gives me great pleasure to support the proposed National Science Foundation Authorization Act.
MR. PRESIDENT, IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION AUTHORIZATION ACT.
WITHIN THIS BILL I HAVE TWO AMENDMENTS, THE COMPUTER NETWORK STUDY AND THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT REPORT. THE FIRST AMENDMENT WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED WITH SENATOR GORTON AS S. 2594. IT CALLS FOR A 2-YEAR STUDY OF THE CRITICAL PROBLEMS AND CURRENT AND FUTURE OPTIONS REGARDING COMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS FOR RESEARCH COMPUTERS. THE SECOND AMENDMENT REQUIRES THE PRESIDENT TO SUBMIT A REPORT TO CONGRESS ON THE ACTIONS TAKEN TO ESTABLISH AN INTERNATIONAL YEAR OF THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT.
BOTH OF THESE AMENDMENTS SEEK NEW INFORMATION ON CRITICAL PROBLEMS OF TODAY. THE COMPUTER NETWORK STUDY ACT IS DESIGNED TO ANSWER CRITICAL QUESTIONS ON THE NEEDS OF COMPUTER TELECOMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT ARE THE FUTURE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMPUTERS IN TERMS OF QUANTITY AND QUALITY OF DATA TRANSMISSION, DATA SECURITY, AND SOFTWEAR [sic] COMPATIBILITY? WHAT EQUIPMENT MUST BE DEVELOPED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HIGH TRANSMISSION RATES OFFERED BY FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS?
BOTH SYSTEMS DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE SPECIAL NEEDS OF SUPERCOMPUTERS AND SYSTEMS DESIGNED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF SMALLER RESEARCH COMPUTERS WILL BE EVALUATED. THE EMPHASIS IS ON RESEARCH COMPUTERS, BUT THE USERS OF ALL COMPUTERS WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS STUDY. TODAY, WE CAN BANK BY COMPUTER, SHOP BY COMPUTER, AND SEND
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Two Australian pollies also claim to have invented the internet. This was in the official parlementary record last year:
"Senator IAN CAMPBELL (Western Australia- Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (7.13 p.m.)-by leave-I move:
"That valedictory statements may continue beyond 7.20 p.m. and that the question for the adjournment be proposed at the conclusion of valedictory statements.
"Just by way of support for that motion, to convince colleagues to vote for it, could I just say-and this is an outrageous abuse of my position, jumping the speakers list!-two things very briefly to my colleague Senator Alston, because a lot of it has been said. I did serve as Richard's parliamentary secretary for three years. It was, as Senator Coonan just said, a period of intense policy activity. It was quite remarkable to move out of Treasury, where I really thought we had, as Senator Coonan and Senator Kemp know, a phenomenal level of policy activity. To go to communications and IT at the time when Richard and I invented the Internet was, of course, a phenomenal period of activity. If you think back to that time, it was when the Internet was taking off. Broadband-a term that Richard and I invented!-occurred at that time..."
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He said, in part, TOOK THE INITIATIVE IN CREATING, I am sorry but out her in flyover country that is taking credit for creating the internet.
He lied. And don't tell me about the Cerfs defense of Al Gore, he is an VP at WorldCom how has huge goverment contracts. He will not piss off those that write his checks.
So your characterization of Dan Quayle as a "moronic idealogue" is OK... but the hilarity that resulted from Al Gore's claim that "he took the initiative in creating the internet" is propaganda from the right-wing puppetmasters?
Hmm.
I've met Dan Quayle, and heard him speak. He didn't strike me as moronic in any way... and I've yet to see Dean treated with anywhere near the derision showered on Quayle after his potatoe gaffe.
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
I read the article and still have no idea what Speak Freely is
Wilt buddy, get a grip. It was proved to you by direct quote that your pal Al claimed to "take the initiative" etc. You can cry all you want to, but he said it.
that a duplicate post about something called speakfreely caues so much of an issue?
I mean, just because you can speek freely, doesn't mean you can't repeat yourself.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Ever since 1995, I've been successfully makingd -mid com-p2p-01.txt
peer-to-peer UDP connections through NATs
using the techniques described in
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-for
Things are not as bleak as the author assumes,
I think.
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open an account with a local ISP and pay the extra few bucks for a static IP
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And don't tell me about the Cerfs defense of Al Gore, he is an VP at WorldCom how has huge goverment contracts. He will not piss off those that write his checks.
Please read this page on the appeal to circumstance.
Two books which may help one become a more logical thinker are Attacking Faulty Reasoning and Asking the Right Questions.
HTH
It's amazing to me that, no matter what software engineering technique is used, software ends up a spaghetti mess...after a few years of maintenance and changes, the code demands rebuilding from the start. Has any university analysed this ? what about the cost of it, the effects on its creators, and other social and political factors ? is open source an answer ? is there a solution for producing better code which does not fall apart once a few changes are introduced ? Is there a mathematical theory behind software construction ?
As for the given app's problems, I sympathise with the guy, since I've run myself into this kind of software trouble before...technologies change, and the hard pressure for the market share most often makes not the best solution to be chosen and used.
By the way, even when behind NAT, a computer is able to send and receive data to the internet. There is some protocol about that...can this protocol be used for voice IP ? and if not, why ?
Gore's a big part of government? Not lately he hasn't been; and it doesn't look like he will be any time soon either.
FreeBSD for the impatient.
I've only heard of Speak Freely in passing before. But, I had no idea it was written and maintained by one of Autodesk's and Autocad's founders.
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> What? Are you all scared?!?
Are you all dense, or just partially?
The guy who gets a project funding CONTRIBUTES!!!
Mind you, I think the net would have evolved all by itself without Al's support on Capital Hill. But it may have been delayed a few more years.
No one claimed that Al Gore CREATED the early internet. But you have to realize that the phenomenon we now know as the internet was something entirely different in 1986.
Al didn't write code, he didn't design protocols and I doubt he's ever connected a network adapter. But he put funding in the pockets of people who did.
Gore also spent a lot of time acting as a PR guy for internet development. He was the guy who was pushing internet connectivity in EVERY classroom. Granted, some appropriate K-12 content would have been nice as well. But that has come along as well.
So I DO think he contributed.
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I do see what your saying. He did mis-speak.
But you have to remember that the internet of 1986 was something different than the internet of 1994.
I mean, one could say that Al Gore's pop didn't take initiative for creating interstate highways because a LOT of those routes were already in place. They simply extended a lot of roads, connected conected them and built a lot of bridges and cloverleafs.
So perhaps you could say that he didn't take initiative for creating the internet. He mearly took initiative for transforming it into the information super-highway. Keeping in mind that initiative means legislation by definition.
The point is that the whole Al Gore and the internet thing was blown completely out of proportion. You should thank Al Gore for his forsight and efforts to put an onramp to the internet in virtually every home, office, and classroom in America.
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