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JRR Tolkien: Return Of The Domain Name

Malfourmed writes "Reuters reports that the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien won a cybersquatting case against Alberta Hot Rods, a Canadian-based operator which registered jrrtolkien.com and linked it to its commercial celebrity Web site. The group - which has already lost domain name cases brought by actors Pierce Brosnan and Pamela Anderson, and author Michael Crichton - was found to have no legitimate rights, the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) said in a ruling."

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  1. Re:The domains of commerce by Catharz · · Score: 2, Informative

    should be restricted to .com domains. That's what the TLD was supposed to mean. Any other TLD should be first-come, first-served

    That's what we do here with .com.au domains. You must have a registered business name that your selected domain name can be derived from. Of course, there were many people who thought that was too restrictive. In particular, the moron who writes for The Age and wanted property.com.au for a side venture of his. He gave Melbourne IT flack at every turn for not giving that domain to him (even though they weren't the ones who put the rules into place). AFAIK we also have similar rules for .org.au domains.

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  2. Fairness in Advertising? Hahahaha... by sillypixie · · Score: 3, Informative

    So if that's the case, why on earth do we have .com .org etc?

    If you want truth in advertising, then the biggest, best-known company or individual using a given name should really just be given the name, right? Why even bother registering? We could just go by annual income...

    Really, what difference is it in confusion between going to jrrtolkien.com and seeing ads, than it is to go to tolkien.com and see nothing, because that's what happens, when you try it. This is why we have google...

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  3. Another example by Safety+Cap · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nissan (the car company) sued Uzi Nissan (a technology company owner) to get his website. They [car corp] "lost" in the sense that they didn't get the domain name, but they convinced the court to totally neuter it: it cannot host any commercial content, nor can it link to any site that hosts commercial content.

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    1. Re:Another example by gujo-odori · · Score: 3, Informative

      I remember that case, and I'm sad to see how it turned out. The court sure goatsed him. The commercial use to which he was previously putting that domain name was his small business, a computer shop, IIRC. Nothing whatsoever to do with cars, and he'd been in business for years under his name, since the days when Nissan still called itself Datsun in North America.

      Poor guy. He really got shafted. Guess which Japanese auto maker will have a zero percent chance of selling me my next car?

  4. Re:Sides of a Coin by Snoopy77 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe that at least in old English law you actually had to work the land and fence it.

    In the web case it seems it was just forwarding on to some other site. You would hardly say that the site was developed.

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  5. Let me be the first to say.... by Kenja · · Score: 2, Informative

    Let me be the first to say, that the WIPO sucks ass. The company I'm with had their domain taken away despite having a good claim to it because we couldn't afford to send a lawyer to Geneva to argue our case.

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  6. Re:The domains of commerce by Ronny+Cook · · Score: 3, Informative
    That's what we do here with .com.au domains. You must have a registered business name that your selected domain name can be derived from.

    Sadly no longer true: AU domain policies

    The registering organisation must be a company, within a *very* loose definition - for example owning a registered trade mark qualifies you. The domain name must then either be derived from your organisation name (in a couple of obvious ways) *OR*:

    c) be otherwise closely and substantially connected to the registrant, because the domain name refers to.
    (i) a product that the registrant manufactures or sells; or
    (ii) a service that the registrant provides; or
    (iii) an event that the registrant organises or sponsors; or
    (iv) an activity that the registrant facilitates, teaches or trains; or
    (v) a venue that the registrant operates; or
    (vi) a profession that the registrant's employees practise.

    The rules were loosened about a year and a half ago, at about the same time as auDA took over management of the .AU domain.

    Originally the requirement for org.au was that the domain not fit any of the other categories. The new (auDA) requirement is that the organisation be a charity or non-profit organisation.

  7. Re:The gold rush is over by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative
    Imagine if homesteaders had their land taken away back in the 1800's by corporations who claimed that they actually had rights to the land, even though the corps never set foot on the land and had no interest in it until they saw how profitable the land was.
    Imagine you knew how homsteadering actually worked... It *wasn't* squatting, but a legal process. The homesteader had to lay formal claim to the land, and demonstrate that he could work and improve the land. Skip or screw up either step, and you lose the land.

    Quite different from the squatters and thieves that hijack popular names for shady purposes.

  8. Re:Hold on a tic... by raytracer · · Score: 3, Informative
    I hate to be unpopular, but the guy is dead, right? Does he really have the same rights to his name as somebody who is alive?

    There is something called The Right of Publicity. In short, it is the right for a person to keep his identity from being exploited for commercial gain without his permission. This protection can last beyond death, but varies by state.

  9. Re:If said homesteaders by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative
    What about the reverse? I recall a few years ago, a family named Miller had the domain for "MillerTime". The brewers sewed, and last I knew won. (I would provide a link, but it's been so long, I've lost where the the hell I found the story.) That was an example of the reverse, a company that didn't call "shotgun" on DotCom bandwagon and wanted to profit off of something someone else did first. Said family was using said domain for "Family Site" shit, and wasn't profiting off the name, there was little reason for the suit, save for the fact that MillerCo was whining 'cuz they didn't think of registering the domain first...
    MillerCo was laying claim to a domain that contained a trademarked phrase. Rightly or wrongly they had a legal claim. In a similiar case a gentleman who owned a domain with his family name, which also happened to be the name of a famous pasta, was awarded continued custody.
  10. Re:Hold on a tic... by Aardpig · · Score: 1, Informative

    Specifically, squatting a porn site on a domain name that can be misleading (e.g. whitehouse.com) was made illegal with the federal Amber Alert law last year.

    Except that 'Whitehouse' is the name of a lower-echelon upper-shelf magazine which has been in print in the UK for quite a while now. How, therefore, can they object to whitehouse.com?

    (As an aside, I'm highly amused that you think the Whitehouse should be under a .com TLD. You cheeky liberal, you!)

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  11. Re:The gold rush is over by Chromodromic · · Score: 4, Informative

    The law recognizes certain individuals as "public figures" with a set of rights that are separate from normal individuals.

    And before you go all, "that's not fair!", just remember that the differences in rights of public figures aren't *always* (although frequently they are, I will grant you) in their favor.

    For instance, in most states if I photograph or videotape you I can't use your image for personal financial gain (like, say, showing you on my reality TV show) without your permission, in most cases. But in the case of public figures, such as celebrities, sports figures, politicians, I most certainly can, as long as I'm telling the truth and as long as I'm being fair. Their image is recognized as having a symbolic value to the public over and above the value it has to that individual. This is why paparazzi can do what they do.

    However, because these individuals are public figures, they own a piece of property that has value to them as well: their name. You can't call something Celine Dion Ice Cream, not unless the Celine Dion whose name is most likely meant to be used as a selling point gives her permission. It doesn't matter that there's another Celine Dion out there. Unless your other Celine Dion has established that her name has equal value in advertising or commerce, well, then the famous Celine trumps her because it's the famous Celine's name that is logically being used to pump the value of the ice cream, or what have you.

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  12. Re:Internet Papparazzi by Trejkaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    It was allowed because the global .com domain registry doesn't ensure that you hold the registered name before letting you register it, unlike other more anal schemes such as .com.au.

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  13. Re:The gold rush is over by Pofy · · Score: 2, Informative

    One can't just generally trademark a name. Trademarks are done in seperate sections (I don't know how many there are, but it is in the 20+ ammounts). For example, nothing prevents someone from registering a name for use with cars. Someone else can register the exact same name in the field of entertainmaint and so on. Take Diablo as an example, I recall seeing it as registered tradmark for cigarrs, cars and movie/games (a few similar fields) and possibly more, all by different companies. No problem at all. Sure, one can try to register ones name in ALL fields though. However, trademarks needs to be more or lesss activly used. You can't just register it and sit there waiting, you will then risk losing it (in say 5 years or something) to someone else.

    For domain name cases it is for the same reason not at ALL a good reason to go with trademark since there can be many having registered the exact same name as a trademark. Who gets to use it? Obviously, no one else could use it in the filed someone else has it registered in, but other than that? Since top domains aren't grouped/named after trademark sections, it won't work well in many cases.

  14. Kill the trolls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Alright, all this GNAA nonsense is crap.

    The above post contains this link [idge.net]. Apparently the headquarters of the GNAA trolls.

    Thanks to some handy WHOIS information, the contact info for that website is:
    Registrant:
    Lin-Tech Communications
    1770 St James Place
    Houston, Texas 77056
    United States

    Registered through: GoDaddy.com
    Domain Name: IDGE.NET
    Created on: 09-Feb-02
    Expires on: 09-Feb-04
    Last Updated on: 05-Sep-03

    Administrative Contact:
    Jackson, Tim dns@lin-tech.net
    Lin-Tech Communications
    1770 St James Place
    Houston, Texas 77056
    United States
    (936)371-9350 Fax --
    Technical Contact:
    Jackson, Tim dns@lin-tech.net
    Lin-Tech Communications
    1770 St James Place
    Houston, Texas 77056
    United States
    (936)371-9350 Fax --

    Call and email them and let them know what you think of the GNAA!

  15. Re:WIPO? by nilenico · · Score: 3, Informative
    Check out WIPO.

    Cutting and pasting:

    The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is an international organization dedicated to promoting the use and protection of works of the human spirit. These works -- intellectual property -- are expanding the bounds of science and technology and enriching the world of the arts. Through its work, WIPO plays an important role in enhancing the quality and enjoyment of life, as well as creating real wealth for nations.

    With headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland, WIPO is one of the 16 specialized agencies of the United Nations system of organizations. It administers 23 international treaties dealing with different aspects of intellectual property protection.

    Look here for their info on what they do with cybersquatting.
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  16. Re:Rather than upsetting the applecart by pliny3 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Now, if one wanted to make a .tm domain, e.g. uk.tm, us.tm, etc. then it would work pretty well, but that assumes (a) .tm isn't already a TLD for some country (I haven't checked), (b) each country administers its .tm according to its own trademark laws, and (c) it won't matter unless we can get the f*cking lawyers out of the other domains and into the .tm domain where they belong (good luck getting parasites out of anything).

    .tm is the tld for Turkmenistan