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Why Such Unimaginative Nomenclature?

apoplectic asks: "Pick a word. A noun would be nice, but not required. Now, imagine a potentially meaningful adjective or other nebbish modifier, select the first letter, and append this to either the beginning or the end of the noun you originally chose. Some examples, include: JBoss, WebL, GStreamer, eMachine, iPod, and of course the XBox. I realize that the exceptions greatly outweigh this rule, but this does seem to be a disproportionately invoked naming standard that lacks a little 'je ne sais quoi'. Why is this so common? Do you really like this 'standard', or is this like something touched on by an episode of Futurama? Have, we have run out of names that have yet to be copyrighted, and all we are left with is Poppler -- or some hideous cryptic name from the aforementioned 'UName' naming standard. Why does it seem as if quite a few applications, along with many a geeky item, follow such unimaginative naming conventions?"

153 comments

  1. ..uhm by XiC · · Score: 5, Funny

    iDunno

    1. Re:..uhm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch it buddy, that's GNUDunno.

      Wait, that one server a purpose though...

  2. Oh come on, by MoOsEb0y · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't Ogg Vorbis original enough?

    1. Re:Oh come on, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >Isn't Ogg Vorbis original enough?

      Yeah. Unfortunately it's also stupid sounding. An informal poll of 3 non-geeks near me agree.

    2. Re:Oh come on, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      now four, and ive thought so from day one. if it's so open, apple should rebrand it - to something not stupid.

    3. Re:Oh come on, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would iSound sound any less stupid?

    4. Re:Oh come on, by nathanh · · Score: 2, Informative
      Isn't Ogg Vorbis original enough?

      Terry Pratchett's originality. They're both names of characters from his Discworld books.

    5. Re:Oh come on, by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It may be original, but it's a horrible product name. Here, I'll make up a name for a product, in the Ogg Vorbis spirit. I'll call it, Arg Nurin. Tell me, would you like to buy Arg Nurin? We've got Arg Nurin on sale, right here!!

      ...

      You have no idea what Arg Nurin is, do you? Same reason most people have no idea what Ogg Vorbis is...the name is entirely devoid of descriptive language. On the other hand, ponder iTunes. What does iTunes do? Hmmm...I bet it's got something to do with music, since it's "Tunes" and all, and since the whole [ie]Word format usually implies either "electronic" or "internet," it's probably got something do with internet music. Bingo, we have a winner. iTunes is a good, descriptive, if unimagininative name.

      My point is, from a branding/product identification perspective, a descriptive name is better than an imaginative name. A descriptive, imaginative name is not necessarily superior, either, as you want a name the general public can decode, so 'imaginative' may work against you.

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    6. Re:Oh come on, by billh · · Score: 1

      Descriptive names are good, I'll give you that.

      But I have to ask. What the hell is the name ipod supposed to mean?

      I can think of very few names that would be worse for this product. Like 'ifelch' or 'ifrump'.

    7. Re:Oh come on, by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I don't know.

      I never made the claim that every name Apple comes up with is good, just that iTunes is a good name. They certainly could have done better in naming the iPod. I think Dell did a better job with their Digital Jukebox name. You have to be pretty dense not to get a good idea of what that does, just based on the name.

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    8. Re:Oh come on, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what you get for naming your multimedia formats after your D&D characters. Other kids can be so cruel!

    9. Re:Oh come on, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops, sorry for that "D&D character" crack. This makes the whole thing a LOT less stupid sounding. Put my vote in for "OVorbis" as a replacement name.

    10. Re:Oh come on, by fireklar · · Score: 1

      Close, http://www.xiph.org/xiphname.html The Ogg is from Netrek, only the Vorbis is from Terry Prachet

    11. Re:Oh come on, by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      My point is, from a branding/product identification perspective, a descriptive name is better than an imaginative name.

      Slashdot.

    12. Re:Oh come on, by nathanh · · Score: 1

      I hadn't read that page, so I'd assumed Ogg was from Nanny Ogg (one of the 3 witches in Equal Rites).

  3. The answer's in the question. by MythMoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pick a noun. Is it a trade mark ? You bet.

    Pick a verb. Is it a trade mark ? You bet.

    Pick a proper name. Does it sound dumb as a product name ? Yep.

    Repeat as required.

    So yes, all the good ones are chosen. The formula allows you to pick something more or less intelligible without handing your soul and wallet to the rebranding dickheads (Centrica anyone ?).

    It's just getting a little stale that's all... we need a new formula.

    Although now I think about it, maybe Susan isn't such a bad name for a product. Hmm...

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    1. Re:The answer's in the question. by XiC · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well naming a product a girlsname gives us the oppertunity to chat with each with not sounding like total geeks...

      like
      geek1: "Have you used Susan too?"
      geek2: "Yeah, i am so sattisfied with the result.."
      geek3: "Susan sucked!"

      good option!

    2. Re:The answer's in the question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the big question is... did she swallow?

    3. Re:The answer's in the question. by kansei · · Score: 1

      OT: it's cool to give servers women's names. Example:

      when susan went down, all hell broke loose

    4. Re:The answer's in the question. by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      Similarly name your NFS mount points, and you can get all sorts of sentences guaranteed to get you in trouble at work...

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    5. Re:The answer's in the question. by allism · · Score: 1

      Uh, I just have to throw in two cents here...

      I know apoplectic (the submitter)...his mom's name is Susan.

      No, I'm not kidding.

      Quit talking about his mom, dammit!

    6. Re:The answer's in the question. by sysadmn · · Score: 1

      A good reason to name your servers from a book of baby names!
      "Paul is hung!"
      "Why?"
      "Well, Paul mounted Mary, but then when Mary went down, Paul stopped responding."
      "Must have been a hard mount."

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    7. Re:The answer's in the question. by Ryosen · · Score: 1

      After all, looked at how well it worked for the Apple Lisa

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    8. Re:The answer's in the question. by ScottSpeaks! · · Score: 1
      Pick a noun. Is it a trade mark ? You bet.
      Pick a verb. Is it a trade mark ? You bet.

      Not a winning bet.

      Even if the USPTO approves a trademark registration for a simple noun or verb, it wouldn't stand up well in court. For an enforceable trademark you need to combine it with some other word to form a distinctive phrase (such as Apple Mortgage, Apple Attache, Apple Books, Apple Signs, Apple Records, or Apple Computer) or use it in combination with an original logo or design (e.g. the word "Apple" with the missing-bite outline graphic).

      The problem with everyday words is the opposite of what you saying: they aren't useful as trademarks, so no one wants them. But a newly-coined word (e.g. Alticor, Verizon, Wellbutrin, Viagra) makes for a very strong trademark registration, easily exercised in court, even in unrelated categories of commerce. (Try marketing a "Viagra Insurance" product, and watch Pfizer come down on you like a ton of bricks.) Those are the trademarks you want.

      I think the "uniqueness" aspect is going to come back to haunt a lot of the shortcut-formula trademarks, as the courts will (barring the intervention of really good expensive corporate lawyers) eventually conclude that e____ and i_____ are not distinctive enough to count as original coinages, and don't get the same level of protection as the more imaginative (or silly) ones.

  4. Ease of understanding by ObviousGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Name the application with an easily recognizable and appropriate name that briefly describes what the product does. That's good naming.

    Coming up with obscure references to geeky things is not good naming practice.

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    1. Re:Ease of understanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That only works if you slap a fairly non-descriptive company name in front of the description. Otherwise a group of people could all be discussing "e-mail client" all day, never agreeing on a thing, because they are using different e-mail clients. Personally I think there are lots of good unused words and made-up words to go around.

      Just don't be like the idiots at Mozilla and decide to change from a perfectly useful brand name like "Mozilla" to not one, but two, already used names in rapid succession. The best part? On Linux, Mozilla-Firebird actually makes a .phoenix directory. If I'd missed the Phoenix stage I'd never know that was the Firebird stuff. Agh!!! Why they didn't just go for "Mozilla Browser", "Mozilla Mail", "Mozilla Chat", etc, and leave all the various Mozilla config stuff in .mozilla is beyond me.

    2. Re:Ease of understanding by Red+Pointy+Tail · · Score: 1

      That's absolutely correct.

      Just as NSync is actually just an easily recognizable and appropriate name for their more accurate 'Can't Sing'.

  5. Words are arbitrary. by torpor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Make some new ones up. It doesn't matter.

    I made up 'ampfea', and among our little group it has come to mean 'any meeting place for electronic artists'... we've had 8 meets since we started getting together for jam sessions, and 'ampfea' has started to take hold as a word in common use among our little crowd.

    This whole iThing is just Madison Avenue counting on the memetic nature of human interaction ... but humans interact in entirely arbitrary ways so ... just make up new words, people. Its easy!

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    1. Re:Words are arbitrary. by atomic-penguin · · Score: 0

      What is wrong with the term "Jam Session"?

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    2. Re:Words are arbitrary. by torpor · · Score: 1

      It implies that you will only be jamming, whereas ampfea is not just about jamming, its about meeting other electronic artists.

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  6. Not only that... by Sklivvz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It has the (supposed) advantage that it increases the brand value: i- meaning intelligent or interactive, e- meaning electronic, m- meaning mobile, x- meaning experience or extended... Of course, since it's so common it's not valuable anymore. It's supposed to sound intelligent but it's just plain dumb!
    Even the free software community lacks imagination in its own way. Think about the recursive naming convention - e.g. GNU==GNU's Not Unix and children - or the Yet Another... paradigm.
    The difference is that OSS names are actually smart and funny, since nobody's doing commercial marketing.

    1. Re:Not only that... by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      Never underestimate the power of stickability -- the catchiness of a particular name to stick in your brain.

      Many moons ago, I took a language implementation course in University. About the only software packages I remember from those days are the tools I used in that course:

      YACC -- Yet Another Compiler Compiler
      LEX -- Lexical Analysis, naturally.

      Short and succinct -- I still think YACC is one of the best all-time product names. Heck, if I can still remember it after mumble-mumble 13 or 14 years, it has to have something going for it.

    2. Re:Not only that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recursive acronyms smart & funny.

      now _that_'s funny

    3. Re:Not only that... by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      yacc's ok, but I prefer bison.

  7. It's allways been like this by SnakeNuts · · Score: 1

    Brand names have been unimaginative for as long I can remember. Dogfood names like 'Pal' and 'Chappi' or 'Frolic' - when you think of it, it's awful! But they stick. They are associated with the target audience and therefore need to be geared to them. Geeks love XSomething. It's new, it's funky.

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    1. Re:It's allways been like this by chthon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, or Eukanuba. I first thought that was food for fishes, but it is dog food.

  8. It's the current fashion by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tedhnology simply has to appear to move with the times. Having out of date looking names makes the software appear out of date. This is not what marketing people want, so they follow the conventions. The naming schemes change, but the policy is consistent.

    We started off with strings off abbreviations. MS-DOS, VAX, VIC-20. This was probably due to the dominance of IBM, PS/2. Computers were powerful technical devices at the time. They needed a technical sounding name.

    When VisiCalc became popular. We had a whole new era of naming conventions (There was an overlap. It takes a couple of years for the convention to become popular). Hence we have products with names that are simply 2 words strung together. Like WordPerfect. In the mid 80's, and early 90's we had computers that were meant to be friendly, so fairly simple relevent names were in vogue, gradually becoming more whimsical., e.g, you know Word is a word processor, can guess lightwave is a ray tracing package, but it would be hard to guess that Opera is a web browser if you didn't already know. Now computers are "cool" accesories, so products have to have suitably cool names. A quick and easy way to do this is to string an initial and a semi-related noun together. Everyone does this. For marketing people, it must be the thing to do.

    1. Re:It's the current fashion by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Funny
      Now computers are "cool" accesories, so products have to have suitably cool names. A quick and easy way to do this is to string an initial and a semi-related noun together.
      Dude, I'm using dBase II, I am so with it!
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    2. Re:It's the current fashion by TwistedGreen · · Score: 1

      I never thought I'd hear "MS-DOS" in the same sentence as "powerful" and "technical."

      *smirks geekfully*

    3. Re:It's the current fashion by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      That's the power of marketing. They just need a powerful technical sounding name.

    4. Re:It's the current fashion by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that any marketing brainpower was put into "MS-DOS". Back then, [Company Name] DOS was pretty much standard convention for the disk operating system:

      Apple DOS
      Atari DOS
      IBM PC DOS (as opposed to IBM Mainframe DOS)
      Compaq DOS

      There wasn't really a product called "MS-DOS" until many years later (DOS 4?). It was an internal name or techie jargon before then, much like "MacOS" was before a certain point.

      Now, "CP/M" -- that sounded super technical.

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    5. Re:It's the current fashion by unitron · · Score: 1
      Now, "CP/M" -- that sounded super technical.

      Yeah, but so did PL/1.

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    6. Re:It's the current fashion by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Now, "CP/M" -- that sounded super technical.

      Ahhh, Thanks! I just couldn't remember that ones name.

  9. Some figures by Bazzargh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Owen Densmore covered this in his O'Reilly blog last year - he checked /usr/dict/words against DNS, to see how many words werent taken. There were only 43 4-letter words left from the .com namespace, junk like "frib", and "odso".

    There were a few thousand 5- and 6- letter words left, but again, all pretty uncommon words: "upwaft.com" or "bepity.com" anyone? Most 'real' words are claimed by someone, somewhere, and the only option for making a name that uses words people know is to make one up by sticking words together, or letters and words together.

    -Baz

    1. Re:Some figures by skamp · · Score: 1

      There were only 43 4-letter words left from the .com namespace, junk like "frib", and "odso".

      Looks like there are less than 41 words left by now, since frib.com and odso.com have been registered since...

    2. Re:Some figures by teetam · · Score: 1
      I tried a few of those 43 (other than frib and odso) and they were all taken!

      I guess that if you ran that script again, you would find there are no four letter domains available anymore.

      Would be interesting to find out what was the last four letter domain name to be taken.

      I know this is a useless post, but I have Karma to burn!!!

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    3. Re:Some figures by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      If the ICANN namespace were an old-growth forest, its now a barren, clear-cut and strip-mined wasteland.

      Oh well.

  10. The real question by mrleemrlee · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wonder what J. Lo thinks?

    1. Re:The real question by atomic-penguin · · Score: 0

      WWJLD?

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    2. Re:The real question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get another nose job and screw another brainless Hollywood semi-actor, I imagine.

    3. Re:The real question by Fruny · · Score: 1
      Wonder what J. Lo thinks?

      Jello? Think? You're talking about a quivering blob, not about a sentient being ...

    4. Re:The real question by ThePretender · · Score: 1

      I don't care, I just want know if Ben is going to become her JBoss or will she wear the pants in the family?

  11. Another way to go... by Ratface · · Score: 4, Funny

    As the availability of simple, catchy, unique names that are real words is drying up I wonder if in the future we will start to see more of the "entire sentence as product name" category - such as I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.

    How about "It's An Even Better Word Processor" or "What A Great Graphics Card" as product names?

    (Of course, some people are already doing this in the form of recursive names - someone already pointed out GNU for instance!)

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    1. Re:Another way to go... by Karellen · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about the new low-calorie communion wafer "I can't believe it's not Jesus"?

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    2. Re:Another way to go... by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      a) that's awesome. I almost spit coffee all over my screen.

      b) I'm Catholic, so I believe in transubstantiation. Let's not argue about that, please. Anyway, it should be called "I can't believe it's Jesus!" You know, because, I believe it's Jesus.

      c) I'd imagine a communion wafer is already low calorie. Now, is it low carb? Food companies are making a mint slapping "adkins" on everything they can find that's low carb.

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    3. Re:Another way to go... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      c) I'd imagine a communion wafer is already low calorie. Now, is it low carb?

      Er, it's bread. So, no, I don't think it's low carb.

      Then again, according to Catholic doctrine it's supposed to be human flesh ("body of Christ"). Which I suppose would be low carb.

      So I suppose that whether a communion wafer is low carb or not, depends on whether one accepts the doctrine of transubstantiation.

      (Not that I hold any truck with Catholicism or low-carb diets.)

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    4. Re:Another way to go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm trying to date "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" in my mind, and it's probably from the late 1970s.

      The only computer related example I can think of is a programming language called the "The Last One" (as in the last language you'd ever need).

      And if someone really did make "What A Great Graphics Card", you can be everyone would refer to it as the WAGG-See.

    5. Re:Another way to go... by greenhide · · Score: 1

      I'd imagine a communion wafer is already low calorie. Now, is it low carb?

      Actually, more importantly, is it gluten free?

      Celiac disease is actually quite common (my mom has it), and it very, very, very undiagnosed in the US. In Ireland I know (from yet another Celiac friend) and in Europe I'm pretty sure that knowledge of Ciliac disease is greater there, and it is more likely to be diagnosed. They actually have entire aisles in grocery stores devoted to gluten-free products, and restaurants puts notes by dishes in restaurants that are gluten-free (meaning not containing even a small amount of gluten-containing flour).

      It tends to be genetic, so I may have it myself, but I dread taking the test and finding out that I have to give up pasta. Still, I guess if it's a battle between the food I love and my health, I'll probably choose my health.

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    6. Re:Another way to go... by spuke4000 · · Score: 1

      Maybe Longhorn's final name will be: "I can't believe it's not an operating system" :)

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  12. tH3 s01ut10n: by ic0wb0y · · Score: 1

    We'll go back to simply using the Social Security number.

  13. Disyllabic Reduction by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These days it's apparently all about condensing everything into two syllables. I've been meaning to write about this for awhile now, as it's something which has been eating away at me. People are developing a disgusting (to me, at least) obsession with shortening names, and not just in technology.

    The first I noticed this trend, at least as it swept the masses and thus caught my attention, was Jennifer Lopez. Sheeple were apparently too lazy to make it all the way through five syllables, so they started calling her "J-Lo." It takes one second to say "J-Lo," two at most to say "Jennifer Lopez," I don't understand why an abbreviation is needed. But society must understand, because it's commonplace.

    The trend snowballed from there, and has really taken off in sports, more so than it has in tech or consumer products. Jason Williams is "J-Will," Alex Rodriguez is "A-Rod," etc. It seems like every athlete who's anyone now has his or her own "First Initial - First Syllable of Last Name" abbreviation (the sole exception being Anna Kournikova... I'm the only one who's allowed to call her A-Korn).

    Why don't we call George Bush "G-Bu" or Dick Cheney "D-Chay?" Why isn't Black and Decker "B-Deck?" On the flip side, Why did WorldCom do all those commercials about "Generation D" - oops, pardon me, it was all hip lowercase, "generation d" - instead of just saying "The Digital Generaton?" Why does AT&T have to market their service as "mLife" - there's that hip lowercase letter again - instead of just calling it "Mobile Life?"

    I don't know who decides which names can be cut down, or why. I don't know which parts of society are responsible for dumbing down proper human names - much less product names - or why anyone would continue to encourage such. But I really am getting tired of the disyllabic reduction.

    Yours,

    "Mo-Shit"

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    1. Re:Disyllabic Reduction by Stalemate · · Score: 1
      Why don't we call George Bush "G-Bu"


      I personally call him "G-Dub". As in "G Dubya". :)
    2. Re:Disyllabic Reduction by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1
      Why don't we call George Bush "G-Bu" or Dick Cheney "D-Chay?"

      I have a sudden mental image of Dick Cheney, in the appropriate gear, at a DJ station, doing the DJ thing, while Bush is shouting into a microphone, whilst waving his arm in the air and what not, 'DJ D-Chay is in the HIZZOUSE! This is muthafuckin Dubya coming atcha! Everybody say HEY!' and so on.

      Kind of disturbing, really.

      I've heard it said that in the case of Ms. Lopez, 'J-Lo' is the singer, and 'Jennifer Lopez' is the acctress; two separate personas.

      When you get right down to it, though, it's basic human group dynamics; by adopting separate jargon, speech patterns, or naming conventions, your group can differentiate itself from everybody else. Humans like to do that sort of thing.

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    3. Re:Disyllabic Reduction by Matchstick · · Score: 1

      This has been going on in Japan for quite a while. Instead of acronyms, you have words made out of initial syllables -- pokemon being a fairly popular recent example.

    4. Re:Disyllabic Reduction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard it said that in the case of Ms. Lopez, 'J-Lo' is the singer, and 'Jennifer Lopez' is the acctress; two separate personas.

      I can't believe at least one of them didn't have better sense than to date Puff Daddy and Ben Affleck!

    5. Re:Disyllabic Reduction by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 1
      This has been going on in Japan for quite a while. Instead of acronyms, you have words made out of initial syllables -- pokemon being a fairly popular recent example.

      Because Japanese uses a syllabic "alphabet", that makes a lot more sense than using initial letters .

      Interestingly a similar approach is quite common in German, especially for brand names (e.g. adidas = "Adi Dassler", hanuta = "Haselnusstafel", etc...)

    6. Re:Disyllabic Reduction by rolocroz · · Score: 1

      So is Bill Gates "B-Gay"?

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  14. Have you ever been in a band? by Bluesman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The thing that takes the most time is picking a name that doesn't suck.

    It's much more efficient to just go with the flow. Creativity is better spent on the design of the app.

    This is, of course, why there are so many projects in the "vision" stage on sourceforge and freshmeat. Most people focus on things like a cool name and web site before actually producing something.

    Maybe there's something to choosing a dull name...

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    1. Re:Have you ever been in a band? by atomic-penguin · · Score: 0

      Best band name ever "Free Beer".

      Playing, tonight at Hole in the Wall, "Free Beer"

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  15. Speaking of which.. by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 1, Troll

    If I were going to have kids, I think I'd take any potential "abbreviations" into account before naming them. Imagine naming your kid something like:

    Terrence Baggart (T-Bag)

    Alan Holden (A-Hole)

    Vance Ginsburg (Va-G...ahh, fuck it)

    In all seriousness, it's interesting how the trend towards vocal laziness causes all sorts of new implications...

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    1. Re:Speaking of which.. by Lochin+Rabbar · · Score: 1

      Alan Holden (A-Hole)

      I think Robert Sole was the name you were looking for.

    2. Re:Speaking of which.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh - it takes a Brit to come up with that one, I think!

      -MFS

    3. Re:Speaking of which.. by Suidae · · Score: 1

      I knew a guy in high school named Thomas Estes. His login on the Novel server was, of course, 'testes'.

    4. Re:Speaking of which.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could be right.

    5. Re:Speaking of which.. by dustinbarbour · · Score: 1

      I actually laughed outloud whilst reading this post!

  16. Java!! by bomblaster · · Score: 1

    OneWordJavaNamingConvention

  17. I think we should follow food product naming. by eyeball · · Score: 4, Funny

    I propose we rename GNU/Linux to "I can't believe it's not Microsoft."

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    1. Re:I think we should follow food product naming. by greenhide · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or, to stay truer to the original name:

      "I can't believe it's not Unix"

      Believing that it isn't Microsoft is pretty easy, actually.

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    2. Re:I think we should follow food product naming. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I propose we rename GNU/Linux to "I can't believe it's not Microsoft."

      Or the SCO logo and the text "the OS formerly known as Linux".

  18. contractions aren't logical either by foniksonik · · Score: 1

    when will we just drop the apostrophe altogether? probably because it still has meaning. dLink and eMachine and mLife have implied meaning. that first letter stands for something but contracts the label and makes it stand out from normal sentence fragments you might see in everday situations.

    How about when law firms and accounting firms just string together the senior partner's names? Ernst, Young, Jacoby and Myers anyone? It still has meaning but would you do the same thing with a technology company or a dry cleaner or a chemical company? well maybe a chemical company (Johnson and Johnson) but when you see those four names together, most people assume it's either a law firm or accounting firm. Tradition and cultural context... they never cease to amaze me.

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    1. Re:contractions aren't logical either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      How about when law firms and accounting firms just string together the senior partner's names? Ernst, Young, Jacoby and Myers anyone?
      No, but I was always partial to the law firm of Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe...

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    2. Re:contractions aren't logical either by sglane81 · · Score: 1

      No, but I was always partial to the law firm of Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe...

      And their partners in crime: Lye, Cheatham and Steele

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  19. About Acorns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The A-Korn quip was funny. It reminded me of something I found earlier tonight, called "The Man Who Planted Trees." I'm posting it here because I think we all can learn something from it. It made me cry, no joke. This story tells us all what a little bit of work at a time can accomplish.

    I know this is offtopic. If you want to moderate, please read all the way through. If at the end of this post you still want to mod me down, fine. I'm AC, I'm not here for karma. At least not in the Slashdot sense.

    The Man Who Planted Trees - Jean Giono

    For a human character to reveal truly exceptional qualities, one must have the good fortune to be able to observe its performance over many years. If this performance is devoid of all egoism, if its guiding motive is unparalleled generosity, if it is absolutely certain that there is no thought of recompense and that, in addition, it has left its visible mark upon the earth, then there can be no mistake.

    About forty years ago I was taking a long trip on foot over mountain heights quite unknown to tourists, in that ancient region where the Alps thrust down into Provence. All this, at the time I embarked upon my long walk through these deserted regions, was barren and colorless land. Nothing grew there but wild lavender.

    I was crossing the area at its widest point, and after three days' walking, found myself in the midst of unparalleled desolation. I camped near the vestiges of an abandoned village. I had run out of water the day before, and had to find some. These clustered houses, although in ruins, like an old wasps' nest, suggested that there must once have been a spring or well here. There was indeed a spring, but it was dry. The five or six houses, roofless, gnawed by wind and rain, the tiny chapel with its crumbling steeple, stood about like the houses and chapels in living villages, but all life had vanished.

    It was a fine June day, brilliant with sunlight, but over this unsheltered land, high in the sky, the wind blew with unendurable ferocity. It growled over carcasses of the houses like a lion disturbed at its meal. I had to move my camp.

    After five hours' walking I had still not found water and there was nothing to give me any hope of finding any. All about me was the same dryness, the same coarse grasses. I thought I glimpsed in the distance a small black silhouette, upright, and took it for the trunk of a solitary tree. In any case I started toward it. It was a shepherd. Thirty sheep were lying about him on the baking earth.

    He gave me a drink from his water-gourd and, a little later, took me to his cottage in a fold of the plain. He drew his water -- excellent water -- from a very deep natural well above which he had constructed a primitive winch.

    The man spoke little. This is the way of those who live alone, but one felt that he has sure of himself, and confident in his assurance. That was unexpected in this barren country. He lived, not in a cabin, but in a real house built of stone that bore plain evidence of how his own efforts had reclaimed the ruin he had found there on his arrival. His roof was strong and sound. The wind on its tiles made the sound of the sea upon its shore.

    The place was in order, the dishes washed, the floor swept, his rifle oiled ; his soup was boiling over the fire. I noticed then that he was cleanly shaved, that all his buttons were firmly sewed on, that his clothing had been mended with the meticulous care that makes the mending invisible. He shared his soup with me and afterwards, when I offered my tobacco pouch, he told me that he did not smoke. His dog, as silent as himself, was friendly without being servile.

    It was understood from the first that I should spend the night there ; the nearest village was still more than a day and a half away. And besides I was perfectly familiar with the nature of the rare villages in that region. There were four or five of them scattered well apart from each other on these mountai

    1. Re:About Acorns by Durindana · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up

  20. I'm still waiting for the product called by mpweasel · · Score: 2, Funny


    eDiot.

    1. Re:I'm still waiting for the product called by zerblat · · Score: 1

      Well, there is a company called iDot, selling computers. Apparently, they've appended "pc" to their name, but it still looks like a misspelling of "idiot".

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  21. Well, You See, The Problem Is... by GTRacer · · Score: 1
    Bigger than you think. Poppler, while not yet trademarked, is not a good idea. There's a problem with Popplers, you see, a tasty, delicious, succlent problem.

    And it's guaranteed to bite you in the end if you go that route!

    GTRacer
    - Go MG!

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    1. Re:Well, You See, The Problem Is... by DonServo · · Score: 1

      Well, the Poppler trademark only works when the product is fresh; stale Popplers are capable of launching SCO-brained lawsuits...

  22. OP: The answer ... by Glonoinha · · Score: 2, Funny

    All the computer guys that have been around long enough to produce commercial release stuff grew up in a world of eight character filenames.

    Which is a better product name:
    XBox
    Incred~1

    The second one is 'Incredible Game Box' but old school computer guys automagically trunc that to Incred~1.

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    1. Re:OP: The answer ... by dustmote · · Score: 1

      Very true...I still cringe when I see filenames longer than that.

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    2. Re:OP: The answer ... by yuri+benjamin · · Score: 1

      The second one is 'Incredible Game Box' but old school computer guys automagically trunc that to Incred~1

      Actually, Incred~1 is a computer generated truncation specific to vfat. the old school guys would abbreviate to something like INCRDGAM.BOX

      IIRC only dos and cp/m had the 8.3 limitation.

      I broke the 8.3 habit at earliest possible opportunity (OS/2 Warp, 1995)

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  23. It's like pop culture by lortho · · Score: 1

    You get something cool-sounding/looking with a slightly creative twist to it, next thing you know everything and its mother are copying the formula to cash in on the success. In fact, future naming trends may very well look to pop culture for inspiration. (For real, dogg, this new iPizzle's off the hizzle f'shizzle!)

  24. How about... by sharkey · · Score: 0

    CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet

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  25. Today's rant brought to you by the letters X,G& by PapaZit · · Score: 4, Funny
    Attention free software developers. Yeah, you. And anyone who posts projects to Freshmeat:

    The next person to write an app with a gratuitous G, K, or X at the beginning (gPornViewer, kFlamewriter, XBitTwiddler) wins scorn, derision, and a swift kick in the ass, absolutely free of charge. Moreso if you use a name that's already taken.

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    1. Re:Today's rant brought to you by the letters X,G& by dirtstar · · Score: 1, Funny

      Whew, that was close...

      Well, I am off to upload iPornViewer, jFlamewriter, and BitTwiddler.Net. Wish me luck!

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    2. Re:Today's rant brought to you by the letters X,G& by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > Attention free software developers. Yeah, you. And anyone who posts projects to Freshmeat:
      >
      > The next person to write an app with a gratuitous G, K, or X at the beginning (gPornViewer, kFlamewriter, XBitTwiddler) wins scorn, derision, and a swift kick in the ass, absolutely free of charge. Moreso if you use a name that's already taken.

      Funny. I read the original Slashdot thread and came up with gAss and AssK, in that order. I suppose it could have been worse. What if a KDE bigot developed a pr0n app?

  26. Then explain what FLAC is. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Oh wait, you don't know if you weren't told?
    How about MP3? Remember when it was new?

    Jesus christ, don't you people understand it doesn't matter? Frankly I like "vorbis". Don't call them OGGs, that's like calling DivX "AVIs", which sounds equally retarded.

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    1. Re:Then explain what FLAC is. by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      There are certainly exceptions to the "rule." My general point stands. A descriptive product name is better than an imaginative name, and far superior to a cryptic name. "MP3" is a poor name, as you have no idea wtf it does without somebody telling you. Is it a successful "product?" Yes. Is it a good name? Definetly not.

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    2. Re:Then explain what FLAC is. by Anthracks · · Score: 1

      Good point about MP3, I was going to say that if you didn't. I still have a hard time trying to explain to older people (generally age 50+) what an "Empee three" is and why something like an iPod is vastly preferable to carrying a discman and your entire CD collection with you on the bus or what have you. I'm sure the odd, non-descript names of the technologies involved are a fairly significant part of the blank looks I get when talking about digital music. Usually the best reaction I can hope for is "You mean like that Napster thing?" ;).

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  27. We call them "Cheney" and "Dubya" by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    Huh. Two syllables, whaddya know?

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  28. werent they "bought out" by Bill Gates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    werent they "bought out" by Bill Gates?

  29. ROFL.... by TBone · · Score: 1

    When I was in college, I joked about starting up a band with some friends, and calling ourselves [b]iDunno[/b].

    • Person 1: Who is that playing in the bar?
    • Person 2: iDunno
    • Person 1: Well, do they at least have fliers up somewhere with their name on it?
    • Person 2: Yeah, iDunno!
    • Person 1: Yeah, I know, you've told me that already!
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  30. English word creation... by stienman · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are english geeks who understand how to create new pleasing word in the english language, but they don't reside among us computer geeks in great numbers. Part of the reason has to do with laziness, and another part is famiarity. This is why companies have both an engineering dept and marketting dept, rather than one group that does it all.

    When engineers are given a spec, they don't have a name for it. Eventually, in order to ease communication, shortcuts are created which bear some resemblance to what the project is or does, or is just a pet name. Mozilla was one such name in the development cycle of netscape early on. If the engineers were in charge of naming, because it was so familiar to them, they would choose the pet name regardless of market perception. By default is not generally the best way to name a product.

    Furthermore, it's hard to come up with a name which is both easy (and obvious) to pronounce, and produces a pleasing effect.

    "Tlorg" is a bad name because you do not start an english word with the TL combination. Battle is a word where TL is used, so it's not a bad combination, it's simply not acceptable at the beginning.

    "Blarg" is easy and fairly obvious to pronounce. But the effect of the word is not something you'd associate with a succesful, useful, and powerful product.

    -Adam

    1. Re:English word creation... by stienman · · Score: 1

      Sorry, forgot the obvious blarg reference.

      -Adam

    2. Re:English word creation... by Suidae · · Score: 1

      My submission for created words is:

      Infripit

      One of our programmers modifed some code and left a comment like: // This will speed up this loop infripitly

      We aren't sure if that is good or bad, but we sure like the word. Its one of my Magnetic Word Poetry words now :)

    3. Re:English word creation... by Nucleon500 · · Score: 1

      I propose that you add "derbis" to your category. One of my friends mispronounced debris thusly in sixth grade. We tried to make it a swear word, but it didn't catch on.

    4. Re:English word creation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      One of our programmers modifed some code and left a comment like: // This will speed up this loop infripitly
      Ah, the rewards of outsourcing.
  31. Geeks, are the problem by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

    For the same reason user interfaces generaly suck, geeks are not artsy. They don't know somehting sounds stupid, because they don't think like the rest of the world.

    1. Re:Geeks, are the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lame, you gimp.

  32. Re:Words are NOT arbitrary. by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 1

    Words have meaning; like ampfea, they have purpose and value and associative and connotative meaning.

    Making up words is easy, but not the point. It's the actually conveyance of the idea that's difficult.

    Ampfea is easy to explain: Any meeting place for electronic artists, but *arbitrary* words are not.

    I suspect you use arbitrary when you really mean flexible, adaptive, creative, and fluid. Human interaction isn't arbitrary at all ^^

  33. and then...we became unstoppable! by orangeinvasion · · Score: 0
    I was recently spurred to a rant on this very issue when we got a shipment of roller-ball pens in my office that were called "eGlide." EGlide!! What the hell does the "e" stand for? Is it...an electronic pen?

    My problem with this kind of nomenclature is not just that it's unimaginative, but it actually begins to obscure meaning. We've somehow created this meaningless morpheme, a letter that adds zero information to the word to which it's appended.

    I feel like this trend began with the iMac, although this may have just been the first such name to come to prominence. Confusion ensued from the start, because everyone thought the "I" was like "me," whereas Apple claimed it stood for "internet." Then they brought out the eMac, for "education," and that was a problematic step, because "e" in this context already stood for "electronic." With the eMac, Apple basically gave their sweeping, influential approval to the wanton appending of letters to names.

    I think this kind of practice is bad news for the following reasons:

    1. When the same letter is used to mean two different things, it ceases to have informative content. If you still have to ask, "What does that 'e' stand for?" then the "e" may as well not be there. (For a long time, I thought "I-banking" meant internet stock-trading, or maybe personalized banking.)
    2. We shouldn't have to guess if the letter actually does or doesn't mean anything. I mean, that's absurd, the fact that we would even be at the point where we would naturally question whether certain pieces of language actually symbolize anything at all. It's a bit like if we said "DUH" after every fourth word or something, you know? It's just litter.

    The underlying problem this illustrates really is that our culture has come to accept this kind of terminology without thinking about it, without regard to its purpose and the purpose of language in general.

  34. iAppleripoff, now in five flavors by Whosawhatsis · · Score: 1

    Remember when the iMac came out? And when they came out with five different "flavors"? How about when every single company that made a device encased in plastic, from the Nintendo 64 to the George Foreman Grill, decided that their products should be available in a variety of colors?

    Most successful companies (and some that aren't) know how to copy a successful idea that someone else had, and Apple (at least while under the leadership of Steve Jobs) is a great source of original ideas.

    Fortunately, the five flavors trend has died down (personally, I think the flower power iMac killed it). Unfortunately, names don't become obsolete as quickly as the technology they are applied to (blame the version numbers). Look at Safari and Garage Band, Apple is toning it back, and most of the others will likely follow suit. So, iNames and the similarly meaningless (how is an MP3 player an "internet pod"?) naming conventions are a trend that caught on more slowly than the colors, and will die out the same way...


    ...and even if they don't, the english language only has 26 letters ... right?

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  35. OT by jensend · · Score: 1

    Remember, the doctrine of transubstantiation depends on the distinction between "substance" and "accident" in Aristotelian/Scholastic philosophy. The accidents are all the properties which inhere in the substance (the Ur-stuff); we would normally expect something which has all the properties of bread to be bread substantially but in literal transubstantiation the accidents of bread are retained while the substance is changed to that of the flesh of Christ. So presumably "carb-ness" is an accident and thus retained in the wafer after transubstantiation.

    I have a lot of respect for Catholics (More and Erasmus beat Luther and Calvin any day BTW), but I fail to see why anyone would maintain the doctrine of literal transubstantiation, which is primarily founded not on the Bible (which in the case of "Take, eat; this is my flesh" cries out for a less literal interpretation as much as in any parable) but on a merely human philosophical framework long out of fashion.

  36. Re:Words are NOT arbitrary. by torpor · · Score: 1

    No, I mean arbitrary.

    Making up a word is just like composing a song. It doesn't mean -anything- until someone else has heard it and derived some meaning from it ... you're right.

    The conveyance of the idea behind ampfea wouldn't have happened unless there were a group of people who were willing to agree on the nature of the meaning of that word, and at that point the 'arbitrary' nature ends ... but words, themselves, are completely arbitrary.

    Its up to humans - groups of them, preferrably - to make anything matter...

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  37. Acronym? by MacFury · · Score: 1
    Um...wouldn't that be an acronym? While words, those aren't too hard to create.

    In that case, I coin "ateoo" At the Expensive of Others. I think ateoo can make it into the vernacular since it's the way most people act now.

    1. Re:Acronym? by torpor · · Score: 1

      An acronym is a form of word, duh.

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  38. One word.. by cryptogryphon · · Score: 1

    ..Xerox

  39. There are limits to trademarks by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    IANATmL, IANAIPL

    Intel chose Pentium instead of 586 because numbers are not trademarkable. I think the same applies to plain words, thus Office is not the trademark, Windows Office.

    If this is correct (and remember, IANATmL), then your examples are bogus, and the reason for bizarre names is to get something trademarkable. Would you rather xyzzy and plugh?

    1. Re:There are limits to trademarks by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1
      thus Office is not the trademark, Windows Office.

      Sorry to nitpick, but I believe it's "Microsoft Office".
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  40. I suppose you would prefer ... by Microsift · · Score: 1

    Agilent?

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  41. The other J.Lo gives the weather by tepples · · Score: 1
  42. "Fusker" by Carthag · · Score: 1

    I created a perl CGI-script some years ago for leeching pron (it basically copies the sequence and range parts of cURLs functionality).

    The name isn't really fully related to what it does (in Danish it means hacker/cheater), but it has since come to mean generating or downloading lists of images that are sequentially named. At least in a handful of communities that I know of.

    So yeah, my point is that even for arbitrarily named items, it doesn't really matter, because the name will end up meaning what it does, so to speak.

    (fusker.com is not my version, my version is defunct, but code is available upon request)

    1. Re:"Fusker" by BestNicksRTaken · · Score: 1

      You mean you didn't go for the Perl::Necklace module?!

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  43. At my company by Nucleon500 · · Score: 1
    At my company, we wrote a program to create names. It works by combining terms from astronomy and technology.

    Our first choice is Uranus-Hertz.

    1. Re:At my company by Dr.+Photo · · Score: 1

      Not unless your "company" was the Dilbert strip from August 1, 1994. :P

  44. KDE/Gnome programs and Apple too, argh! by BestNicksRTaken · · Score: 1

    What about the programs named after their window manager - like Kthis and Gthat or Xother?! The whole Apple "i" obsession (iMac, iPod, iBook...) well, just don't get me started!

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  45. Earlier than J-Lo... by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    You have hit upon an interesting point, to say the least, but I think things started way earlier than J-Lo.

    Think McDonald's - or, MickyD's. Not two syllables, but still a radical shortening of the name...

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  46. Xaraya by Dracos · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maay of you are probably not familiar with Xaraya, but here's the story of where the name came from.

    "Project X", as we were calling ourselves in the early days, decided to conduct a name contest among the development team. Entries were submitted, and the voting commenced. Not happy with any of the entries, I decided to come up with something new based of 3 criteria:

    • Must start with X. Many of the devs had become collectively fond of this letter for various reasons.
    • Must end in A. I thought the product (a CMS) should be female. Most Latin-derived languages identify female words by ending in A.
    • Must have three syllables. I considered this the optimal length; nice flow, little chance of getting confused with existing words in most languages, and not too long.

    I also felt the name should be a little exotic according to US/European tastes. So, I trolled through a database of Australian place names, entering various short combinations of letters. After a while I had a list of seven possibilities... then I started swapping letters (mostly vowels).

    I presented these in IRC, and a couple of them (including Xaraya) caught on. So well, in fact, that the name voting had to be reset to include the new entries. One of our devs who lives in Spain said Xaraya reminded him of the Spanish word for Manta Ray ("raya", literally "blanket"), so I went looking for manta images to create a logo which supported this concept. "Xaraya" won the name contest, and evenually a Manta logo was also adopted.

    Of course, this name has nothing to to with what Xaraya does. Making that connection is the realm of the marketing and branding people.

    1. Re:Xaraya by selan · · Score: 1

      Interesting story. But how do you pronounce it?

    2. Re:Xaraya by ghgeiger · · Score: 1

      zar-eye-a

  47. Re:Words are NOT arbitrary. by Ieshan · · Score: 1

    Good idea, but english didn't evolve like that.

    Here's an example of a perfectly "arbitrary" word that's not arbitrary at all: Snow

    Snow is the word for that white fluffy stuff that falls from the sky. Snow, linguistically, is traced back to indo-european (that weird, abstract language that it was), and is related to Nix (latin) and Niphes (greek). It's also related to lots of other IE language words for the same thing.

    Could you just make up words with no meaning and assign them to any old thing? Sure. But if you compose words from existing bases, prefixes, and suffixes in the language, you convey a sense of meaning without people even knowing what the word really means.

    Want a great example? Read "The Jabberwocky". Here's the text. Without being able to readily define many of these words, I bet you can tell me what happened:

    `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
    All mimsy were the borogoves,
    And the mome raths outgrabe.

    "Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
    The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
    The frumious Bandersnatch!"

    He took his vocal sword in hand:
    Long time the manxome foe he sought --
    So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
    And stood awhile in thought.

    And, as in uffish thought he stood,
    The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
    Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
    And burbled as it came!

    One, two! One, two! And through and through
    The vocal blade went snicker-snack!
    He left it dead, and with its head
    He went galumphing back.

    "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
    Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
    He chortled in his joy.

  48. Re:Words are NOT arbitrary. by unitron · · Score: 1

    The poem about the Jabberwock isn't "The Jabberwocky", it's just "Jabberwocky" and it's a vorpal sword/blade.

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  49. Re:Words are NOT arbitrary. by Ieshan · · Score: 1

    taepoe. :-\
    that, and not realizing it had no article. =P

  50. Re:Words are NOT arbitrary. by torpor · · Score: 1

    Could you just make up words with no meaning and assign them to any old thing? Sure. But if you compose words from existing bases, prefixes, and suffixes in the language, you convey a sense of meaning without people even knowing what the word really means.


    Okay, so English is derived from some old language ... but ... but ... the words in that language were arbitrary too.

    Its only when humans -agree- to something that the arbitrary nature of the universe goes away, and even then only for a little while ...

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  51. Read the post, then be a dick ;-) by MacFury · · Score: 1

    An acronym is a form of word, duh.

    I acknowledged that, duh. :-)

    Um...wouldn't that be an acronym? While words, those aren't too hard to create.

    1. Re:Read the post, then be a dick ;-) by torpor · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Words are not hard to create, you fuhrkle!

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  52. Why? by UrGeek · · Score: 1

    "Why does it seem as if quite a few applications, along with many a geeky item, follow such unimaginative naming conventions?"

    Beside they are marketed by people with more money than brains or imagination. And often to people with more money than brains or imagination. Sad

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes imagination isn't important. In fact, sometimes it's counter-productive. Remember the Nissan car ads? High marks for imagination and creativity, but they forgot to show the cars. As a means of getting the word out about their product, it was a total flop. Names aren't there to be cool, they're supposed to support the easy identification and knowledge of the product.

      Now, stupid eDoodad and Xblah combinations are obviously going too far in the other direction, but that's because they're mundane and don't have any memetic power. However, coming up with a name like Potrzebie doesn't help your cause one bit, either.

  53. old adage no longer true by ThePretender · · Score: 1

    "With our snazzy new product the iTeam, now there most certainly is an 'i' in your team!"

    or.. "we put the 'i' in team"

    or.. "You got your 'i' in my team. You got your team in my 'i'!" Hey it worked for Reese's

    you get the idea.

    1. Re:old adage no longer true by Tidal+Flame · · Score: 1

      There's an 'i' in "win" =P

  54. Re:Words are NOT arbitrary. by Ieshan · · Score: 1

    But even that language had patterns.

    Whoever first picked them (the culture) might have originally picked those patterns based on many different things they saw in their environment or heard around them. It isn't simply arbitrary that "plop" and "tweet" and "crash" sound so much like the things they try to represent(ONOMATOPOEIA). It wasn't a random or arbitrary process.

  55. Re:Words are NOT arbitrary. by torpor · · Score: 1

    It wasn't a random or arbitrary process.

    Sure it was. Completely arbitrary. Could've gone in any direction at any juncture.

    And yes, there was some -planning- going on with languages over time (de-germinification of english, perhaps?), but this is my point... the word itself doesn't do anything. The people who agree to its meaning do.

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  56. Does the name matter? by nuggz · · Score: 0

    Does the name really matter? Or does the quality of the product matter?

    Plus if you reuse someones name, people get upset, much easier to just choose a stupid name you're sure nobody has.

  57. Vicar of Dibley by Ratface · · Score: 1

    That episode of "The Vicar of Dibley" was on BBC Prime last night! ;-)

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  58. I'll have to disaggree by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For starters, if Ogg Vorbis's fault is being "non-descriptive", let's think of the format that's more used than Ogg, WMA and iTunes's format put together: MP3.

    Exactly in which way is "MP3" descriptive? Well, it isn't. It's just an abbreviation. Didn't stop it from being a success.

    Think of "Zip". Right. It's about as non-descriptive as it gets. It's not called "iCompress" or "eSqueeze" or some other descriptive crap. Neverheless, people now routinely speak of "(un)zipping the files". (You could even argue that the "Zip drive" was named like that to ride piggy-back on the success of the compression format.)

    Think of "Google". It's not called something stupid like "iSearch" or "eFind". Yet it's so used, that it even became a verb. Enough people actually say things like "You googled it up, right?"

    Think "Amazon". It's not called "iBooks" nor "eBookstore."

    Think "Dell" or "Apple". One is the owner's last name, the other is just a fruit. Yet everyone's at least heard about them. Or speaking of their products, "Macintosh" itself wasn't descriptive in any way, but it doesn't stop it from being a big thing.

    Heck, even "eBay", in spite of having the mandatory "e", is actually non-descriptive. It doesn't really mention buying or auctions.

    Etc, etc, etc.

    Think of non-computer products. "Walkman" does mention walking, but doesn't feel a need to describe that it's a tape cassette player.

    So it seems to me like to succeed you need more like a good product and good timing. Then people will learn whatever short imaginative name you've put on your product.

    Just putting a copycat "iSomething" or "eThingie" on a "me too" effort, won't magically turn it into gold. Au contraire, to people like me it will just make it _scream_ "unimaginative copycat!"

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  59. The folks that made Gee Your Hair Smells Terriffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are making a feminine hygiene product.

    Any suggestions on a name?

    gewg_

  60. What about Amanda Holden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the artist currently known as (faithless) A-Hole

  61. Obligatory PCU Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Tonight only, at The Pit, 'Everyone Gets Laid'!"

  62. Old SNL skit by phillymjs · · Score: 1

    Your post reminds me of an old SNL skit with Nicolas Cage. His wife (don't remember who played her) was pregnant, and they were trying to decide on names for the baby. Almost anything she suggested, he shot down because it could somehow be contorted into a taunt-- he was hypersensitive about it to the extreme.

    Then the doorbell rings and delivery guy (Rob Schneider) asks for "Asswipe [lastname]." The husband tells him the correct pronunciation is "oz-WEE-pay"

    Pause here for a few seconds to simulate me Googling for SNL "Nicolas Cage" +Asswipe

    Ah, here is a transcript of the skit. God bless the Internet.

    ~Philly