Re:Keep 'em coming...
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brasten
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· Score: 5, Informative
From what I've been reading, more people are interested in the suite over the *birds than originally anticipated, so they'll be keeping it around for a while.
However, most developers working on the suite are focused primarily on the Gecko engine, with very little work being done on the front-end of things. Since the *birds are obviously Gecko-based as well, they are essentially being worked on by most Mozilla developers, even if indirectly. So it's not like the *birds are missing out on much development effort.
Re:Keep 'em coming...
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badmonkey
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· Score: 5, Informative
I just read yesterday in the firebird documentation that it has a 250 millisecond pause built in before rendering so as to not have to reflow the page as much as bytes stream in. It can be deactivated as in the instructions here So that'll make it a little faster I think
Re:Keep 'em coming...
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swv3752
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· Score: 3, Informative
I have a win2k machine at work with Moz 1.4 and IE6. I think it is a P3 700mhz 512mb RAM.
Trying the parent's mailing list- Moz -9 secs to load. IE- 15secs. We have a caching web proxy on a fast pipe. I tried Moz first.
Click a message then go back- Moz 2secs, IE 2secs.
IE does start displaying content faster but the complete load is from cache takes nearly identical amount of time. Seems to me that performance is adequate.
-- Just a Tuna in the Sea of Life
But No One's mentioned the most important feature
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Hal+The+Computer
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· Score: 4, Informative
As listed in the Release notes mozilla's greatest feature yet:
One step closer to the kitchen sink, about:about has been implemented. Typing about:about in the address field will give the user a nice list of available about:s.
By the way, if you haven't yet, if you use mozilla, you need to check out about:mozilla
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use the mirrors
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a.koepke
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· Score: 5, Informative
When downloading this you should have a look at the mirrors list and find one near you.
Find a mirror here as the main download server is already dead.
Re:Mozilla and popups
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Photon+Ghoul
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· Score: 4, Informative
Most people stick with what they are used to. Even when pop-up blocking is given as a feature of Mozilla to users that suffer from excessive pop-up ads, most still seem to prefer using the IE (or Windows?) add-ons that stop them.
Side-thought: I have no experience with IE pop-up blockers, but it would seem like a very effective method for spreading malware. Maybe that's just the old tin-foil hat I'm feeling.
Mozilla is great, but I stopped using it today...
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DaedalusLogic
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· Score: 4, Informative
Because Firebird plays nicely "out of the box" so to speak with MS Outlook, and my customers want that. I know it's a horrible notion to some the overall goal is to convert folks on using these pieces of OSS has to be gentle and user friendly. Business users get Firebird suggested to them and home users Mozilla. I haven't touched IE for daily browsing in a couple years now thanks to these awesome browsers.
Re:Why the need to uninstall onld versions to upgr
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falsification
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· Score: 3, Informative
That is not quite right
If you plan to install 1.6 to the same subdirectory in which you have 1.2, yes, you should uninstall 1.2 before installing 1.6.
If you plan to install 1.6 to a brand spanking new subdirectory, you need not uninstall 1.2. You should always use different profiles for different versions of Mozilla.
BTW, you should uninstall 1.2 anyway. It has major bugs. In terms of stability, version 1.4.1, for instance, is to 1.2 as a granite rock is to gray goo.
Re:It doesn't work for me
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cribb
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· Score: 3, Informative
if you,re on linux, tip:
delete your ~/.mozilla, make sure you backup your bookmarks and all your other profile stuff, since it's all stored there. that should convince 1.6 to work.
-- Hostes alienigieni me abduxerunt. Qui annus est?
NTLM and Proxy Server
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falsification
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· Score: 4, Informative
If you have Microsoft Proxy Server or some other NTLM proxy at work or wherever, take a good hard look at 1.6. It's the first Mozilla version to have a built-in NTLM solution.
For the first time, Mozilla will work on many corporate networks.
Posting from Firebird/Win2K...
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frostman
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· Score: 3, Informative
Here I post from Firebird/Win2K, and for what it's worth:
1. Firebird crashes about twice a week, and I have to kill the process before I can relaunch.
2. Sometimes my Bookmarks Toolbar icons mysteriously disappear, only to be regenerated when I revisit the sites.
3. Handling of unknown character sets is a Bad Joke.
4. Plug-in loading is pretty spotty.
5. There is no obvious indicator of Javascript errors on sites; I have to open the JS console when I suspect an error.
6. It's kinda slow to start on my slower computer (TransMeta 800Mhz), though it's snappy on my faster one (Duron 1.2Ghz).
7. It's still the best browser I've ever used, and I would tear out my hair if I had to live without it.
Re:Am I the only one...
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el-spectre
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· Score: 4, Informative
"Godzilla" is a poor translation to english. The original japanese name sounded like "Gojira". It's entirely possible the dude was playing on that.
Ah, the courage and wisdom of AC.
-- "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
Eolas and Mozilla?
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Saeed+al-Sahaf
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· Score: 5, Informative
I submitted this story today, but as usual, since I am not a friend of the/. Editors, they shot it down big time (within minutes of when I submitted it), but I'm not bitter (that's a joke, OK?)! The guy from Eolas who brought the action against Microsoft about his browser patent, is in talks with "major Linux players." In fact, according to the eWeek story (rejected by/.), he's an Open Source contributor. Read between the lines, because this bodes VERY well for Mozilla. While W3 and Microsoft are hemming and hawing about what this kind of patent meant to them, and it means something very bad for Internet Explorer, I suspect Mozilla will not be a target. Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but "what if" this guy is into Open Source, and saw a nice way to screw MS? I know, "so what, he still has a patent for something that is obvious and should not be patented." Well, my position is just the same as with SCO / IMB. Lessor of two evils, and my enemies' enemy is my friend (for now).
-- "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
And any moment now....
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Crypto+Gnome
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· Score: 4, Informative
As outlined in the Mozilla project roadmap , the Mozilla Firebird browser will eventually replace the Seamonkey browser as the premiere end-user browser from mozilla.org. As part of the journey towards that goal, from milestone 0.7 onward Firebird 0.x releases will occur at the same time (or approximately the same time).Firebird Roadmap
Yes, you heard it right. This release of Mozilla is significant ALSO in that it heralds an impending release of FireBird.
Of course, Firebird 0.8 was due out December 2003, so we're overdue for that anyways.
Re:But No One's mentioned the most important featu
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ocelotbob
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· Score: 4, Informative
A rough interpretation:
And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced.
AOL's killing of the netscape brand as a web browser, and the subsequent laying off of the dev team.
But all was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them.
The rebirth of the Mozilla project as a non-profit and the rebirth of Mozilla as separate browser and mail components.
For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
Ph33r Mozilla;3 .
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Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
Re:Am I the only one...
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Onan
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· Score: 4, Informative
Well, to be really pedantic, there isn't a sound that maps directly to either the English R or L, there's a single sound that's about halfway in between the two. Hence the tendency of Japanese speakers to swap them in both directions; to someone who has spoken only Japanese, it seems like an arcane distinction between two tiny variants of the same sound.
Romanji tends to transcribe the sound as R, but they're both equally accurate.
Re:NTLM and Proxy Server
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thegrommit
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· Score: 4, Informative
If you have Microsoft Proxy Server or some other NTLM proxy at work or wherever, take a good hard look at 1.6. It's the first Mozilla version to have a built-in NTLM solution.
It's been available in Windows builds for quite a while (since at least 1.4). The key difference is that the new method is cross-platform.
Re:Mozilla Growing
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bunratty
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· Score: 3, Informative
Most companies still build IE only websites, some better ones build IE+Netscape
It's rare for me to visit a web site that doesn't work perfectly or near perfectly in Mozilla. Today I ran across one for the first time in about a year. It uses document.all for navigation, which means that users must be running IE or Opera and also must have JavaScript enabled for links to work. When the developers finally realize that over 20% of visitors can't navigate their site, I think they'll quickly fix it.
-- What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
IMAP servers like Courier that store everything under INBOX (INBOX. namespace) FINALLY get displayed as a flat tree structure!
Thank you, Mozilla Team!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
-- -- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
Re:Cool.. what about SVG?
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khanyisa
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· Score: 5, Informative
Have a look at the svg project page (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/)
Basically, not for quite a while yet, but feel free to help out!
Re:My favorite new feature
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seasleepy
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· Score: 3, Informative
Yup, it's in Thunderbird.
From the 0.4 release notes: "POP Accounts now support aging on the server." At least I'm assuming that's what that refers to. I do know from experience that it is in TB though. Super handy for keeping the mailbox tidy.
Re:Am I the only one...
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fbg111
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· Score: 3, Informative
There's also no "zi" sound; that's pronounced as "ji" even though it is occasionally written "zi."
Actually there's no "ji" sound either. Again, the Japanese pronunciation doesn't map to any English syllable. In English, we say "ji" with our tongue at the roof of our mouth. In Japanese they say it with their tongue at the very front of their mouth, right behind their front teeth gums. It sounds more like a mix of the English sounds "zi" and "ji". The Hepburn romanization uses the letters "ji" to denote this mora (one beat, roughly equivalent to a syllable), but because of that, every English speaker who learned Japanese under that system is speaking with a gaizin accent.
Newer systems such as the Jordan romanization (Eleanor Harz Jordan) attempt to correct this problem by using the letters "zi" to represent the mora, but with the disclaimer that "zi" is not the correct sound either and is only used to remind learners not to say "ji". The correct sound is actually a combination of "zi" and "ji" pronounced with the tongue at the front of the mouth.
Once you understand that, then it doesn't really matter how you romanize "Mozilla", whether it's "mojira" or "mozira", since you know that in this case neither mora "zi" nor "ji" is a phonetic spelling, but rather a symbolic representation of a sound that doesn't exist in English. The spelling only matters as a reminder for learners who have not yet mastered the new sound.
-- Flying is easy, just throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams
More security fixes and the ability to reload the source view...nice.
[n8.r0n] http://petesweb.spymac.net/
By the way, if you haven't yet, if you use mozilla, you need to check out about:mozilla
When downloading this you should have a look at the mirrors list and find one near you.
http://www.mozilla.org/mirrors.html
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*This is the cute bunny virus, please copy this into your sig so it can spread
Find a mirror here as the main download server is already dead.
Most people stick with what they are used to. Even when pop-up blocking is given as a feature of Mozilla to users that suffer from excessive pop-up ads, most still seem to prefer using the IE (or Windows?) add-ons that stop them.
Side-thought: I have no experience with IE pop-up blockers, but it would seem like a very effective method for spreading malware. Maybe that's just the old tin-foil hat I'm feeling.
Because Firebird plays nicely "out of the box" so to speak with MS Outlook, and my customers want that. I know it's a horrible notion to some the overall goal is to convert folks on using these pieces of OSS has to be gentle and user friendly. Business users get Firebird suggested to them and home users Mozilla. I haven't touched IE for daily browsing in a couple years now thanks to these awesome browsers.
If you plan to install 1.6 to the same subdirectory in which you have 1.2, yes, you should uninstall 1.2 before installing 1.6.
If you plan to install 1.6 to a brand spanking new subdirectory, you need not uninstall 1.2. You should always use different profiles for different versions of Mozilla.
BTW, you should uninstall 1.2 anyway. It has major bugs. In terms of stability, version 1.4.1, for instance, is to 1.2 as a granite rock is to gray goo.
if you,re on linux, tip: delete your ~/.mozilla, make sure you backup your bookmarks and all your other profile stuff, since it's all stored there. that should convince 1.6 to work.
Hostes alienigieni me abduxerunt. Qui annus est?
For the first time, Mozilla will work on many corporate networks.
Here I post from Firebird/Win2K, and for what it's worth:
1. Firebird crashes about twice a week, and I have to kill the process before I can relaunch.
2. Sometimes my Bookmarks Toolbar icons mysteriously disappear, only to be regenerated when I revisit the sites.
3. Handling of unknown character sets is a Bad Joke.
4. Plug-in loading is pretty spotty.
5. There is no obvious indicator of Javascript errors on sites; I have to open the JS console when I suspect an error.
6. It's kinda slow to start on my slower computer (TransMeta 800Mhz), though it's snappy on my faster one (Duron 1.2Ghz).
7. It's still the best browser I've ever used, and I would tear out my hair if I had to live without it.
Go Firebird!!
This Like That - fun with words!
"Godzilla" is a poor translation to english. The original japanese name sounded like "Gojira". It's entirely possible the dude was playing on that.
Ah, the courage and wisdom of AC.
"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
I submitted this story today, but as usual, since I am not a friend of the /. Editors, they shot it down big time (within minutes of when I submitted it), but I'm not bitter (that's a joke, OK?)! The guy from Eolas who brought the action against Microsoft about his browser patent, is in talks with "major Linux players." In fact, according to the eWeek story (rejected by /.), he's an Open Source contributor. Read between the lines, because this bodes VERY well for Mozilla. While W3 and Microsoft are hemming and hawing about what this kind of patent meant to them, and it means something very bad for Internet Explorer, I suspect Mozilla will not be a target. Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but "what if" this guy is into Open Source, and saw a nice way to screw MS? I know, "so what, he still has a patent for something that is obvious and should not be patented." Well, my position is just the same as with SCO / IMB. Lessor of two evils, and my enemies' enemy is my friend (for now).
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
As outlined in the Mozilla project roadmap , the Mozilla Firebird browser will eventually replace the Seamonkey browser as the premiere end-user browser from mozilla.org. As part of the journey towards that goal, from milestone 0.7 onward Firebird 0.x releases will occur at the same time (or approximately the same time). Firebird Roadmap
Yes, you heard it right. This release of Mozilla is significant ALSO in that it heralds an impending release of FireBird.
Of course, Firebird 0.8 was due out December 2003, so we're overdue for that anyways.
Visit CryptoGnome in his home.
Marxism is the opiate of dumbasses
Well, to be really pedantic, there isn't a sound that maps directly to either the English R or L, there's a single sound that's about halfway in between the two. Hence the tendency of Japanese speakers to swap them in both directions; to someone who has spoken only Japanese, it seems like an arcane distinction between two tiny variants of the same sound.
Romanji tends to transcribe the sound as R, but they're both equally accurate.
If you have Microsoft Proxy Server or some other NTLM proxy at work or wherever, take a good hard look at 1.6. It's the first Mozilla version to have a built-in NTLM solution.
It's been available in Windows builds for quite a while (since at least 1.4). The key difference is that the new method is cross-platform.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
I'm so happy, I could just SPIT.
IMAP servers like Courier that store everything under INBOX (INBOX. namespace) FINALLY get displayed as a flat tree structure!
Thank you, Mozilla Team!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
Have a look at the svg project page (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/) Basically, not for quite a while yet, but feel free to help out!
Yup, it's in Thunderbird.
From the 0.4 release notes: "POP Accounts now support aging on the server."
At least I'm assuming that's what that refers to. I do know from experience that it is in TB though. Super handy for keeping the mailbox tidy.
There's also no "zi" sound; that's pronounced as "ji" even though it is occasionally written "zi."
Actually there's no "ji" sound either. Again, the Japanese pronunciation doesn't map to any English syllable. In English, we say "ji" with our tongue at the roof of our mouth. In Japanese they say it with their tongue at the very front of their mouth, right behind their front teeth gums. It sounds more like a mix of the English sounds "zi" and "ji". The Hepburn romanization uses the letters "ji" to denote this mora (one beat, roughly equivalent to a syllable), but because of that, every English speaker who learned Japanese under that system is speaking with a gaizin accent.
Newer systems such as the Jordan romanization (Eleanor Harz Jordan) attempt to correct this problem by using the letters "zi" to represent the mora, but with the disclaimer that "zi" is not the correct sound either and is only used to remind learners not to say "ji". The correct sound is actually a combination of "zi" and "ji" pronounced with the tongue at the front of the mouth.
Once you understand that, then it doesn't really matter how you romanize "Mozilla", whether it's "mojira" or "mozira", since you know that in this case neither mora "zi" nor "ji" is a phonetic spelling, but rather a symbolic representation of a sound that doesn't exist in English. The spelling only matters as a reminder for learners who have not yet mastered the new sound.
Flying is easy, just throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams