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A New HOPE on the Horizon
double-oh three writes "It's an even numbered year, and that means that 2600 is holding the party again this summer. The 5th HOPE conference has been announced and scheduled for July 9th to 11th(a Friday-Sunday weekend), again at the Hotel Pennsylvania in New York. This year's 'theme' for the conference is Propaganda, and if this is anything like H2k2, it'll be by the phone companies. And for
those of you who are clueless, here's a roundup of the last HOPE con."
My favorite thing about 2600 was their use of bart system, put in bart ticket, meet in the station underground, go back home, and go out the same terminal you came in, pay no fare total because you "travelled no distance". I thought that was slick.
Ninnle Linux Forever!
People need to wake up the new reality of Ninnle!
Count me in. I'll be bringing Circus Atari and Night Driver. Just can't find those damn paddle controllers.
These sorts of things are illegal under the current anti-terrorism laws.
How long do you think it will take the Dept. of Home Land Insecurity to declare HOPE a gathering of terrorists?
1) 2-4 Hours
2) 24-48 Hours
3) 1 Week
4) Sometime before the USA lands on Mars
5) As soon as Dubya has his mourning coffee
6) Time is a man made concept you insensitive clod!
I'll bring the Boeings!
I was 99% sure this was going to be a Star Wars thread...
John Maynard Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
There is an abstract class called Terrorism(Object o). 2600 points out that with propaganda all marginals are passed into the Abstract. It is the job of the Hope conference to instill Honor in all the OOP spin doctors in the world: Beware of Reckless OOP. There goal of a good hacker is to overload Terrorism(Object o) with something a bit more easy rider, while still properly passing deadly free radicals, with something a little more easy rider like Freedom(Object o). Are you with me on this????
The Custom Mary
Microsoft is extending support for 98.
ReadHat is dropping support for 7.X 8.0
So you can tell which one acturally cares about their customers.
P.S. It also shows that you get what you pay for.
Hacker culture really does suck. A bunch of pasty-faced smelling fat t-shirt wearing beer stained straight edge libertarian or obnoxious green pedophiles come together to explore how many ways they can produce the same buffer overflow and call it brilliance.
And I thought that we were all screwed.
Look for your friends, but don't trust to hope. It has forsaken these lands.
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
What is this HOPE stuff? Is it good or is it whack?
2600 is full of nothing but script kiddies. any of you actually read their mag? Its chop full of crap, and a rip-off for $5! Seems like all the mag is about is them being pissed for the title "hacker" being trashed. Get over it.
oh yeah, hi mod!
HOPE is little more than a get together for criminals. For those who don't know, HOPE stands for Hackers on Planet Earth. Thats right, folks, hackers.
I'm getting really tired of this "wink and a nod" attitude towards hackers. They are dangerous scofflaws.
Any how, I hope the feds will be in attendance and taking notes on who shows up at this "conference".
By far, the biggest draw of the HOPE conventions over the years is the Social Engineering panel.
Just watching illustrating what Mitnick wrote about in Art of Deception displayed before a live audience is well worth the price of admission.
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Nobody cares about the BART, even Jesus has more to do with the Goatse.cx web site which suddenly got unresolved for the sake of some politically correct ASSHAT !
Sign this : your Freedom comes at that cost !
Fuck whoever think closing Goatse.cx is a good thing, you are much worse than what my name evokes !
Smile, don't click...
Public displays of "hacker" culture have been overwhelmed by script kiddies, wannabees, media morons (disclaimer: I worked in the biz myself for 20 years) and intelligence/law enforcement types. DEFCON has become a joke; 2600 is even worse, catering to the average alienated junior high school student who still thinks anarchy rocks. Nearly all real analysis and argument take place on line these days.
It mean that several friends of mine working for the FBI have to do extended service and our pub evening is chancelled again.
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Oh, I'm a Republican
I got a small schling
I like to bomb niggahs
and make a lot o' bling
I got a bunch o' friends
in high up places
They helps me get dem
government graces.
You think I'm smart
I just know who's who
I couldn't run a fruit stand
without the red white & blue
I fancy myself
A brilliant tactician
But neither me nor m'buddies
Could even pass basic trainin'
See, I'm above all that
A fightin' and shootin'
I just say "Sic em!"
Then run the other direction
Don't need no history
Don't need no schoolin'
I got my ideology
To keep me a shootin'
Liberals! Faggots!
Commies and queers!
Socialist hippies
Full o' pussy tears!
I'll drop some crap
about Jesus the Christ
You'll buy it all
and vote for me twice
'Fact, Jesus is comin'!
Real soon, now!
So we gotta prop up Israel
That ol' sacred cow
Propaganda's m'friend
But I calls it "fact"
Even though I don't read
'Cept for Chick tracts
Facts? No! Don't need em here!
We're conservatives! We work on FEAR!
Don't like what we say?
Well FUCK YOU, bud!
We'll shove it down yer throat
and tell ya it's good!
Don't be an asshole, vote Democratic!
- Gentlemen, start your hybrids!
And for those of you who are over 14, it's time to start applying your meager skills towards doing something useful with your life instead of writing "manifestos" denouncing the phone companies for stifling your creativity and fawning over some relic who exploited a default root password in 1986.
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
Before this happens, SCO will set up a booth to collect the $699 payment required for entry (thanks to some sap displaying Linux code as part of his presentation)
I was on security at H2K2, was an interesting experience but I did not get to see many panels.
Word of warning: Jello Biafra is perpetual motion. If he is there this time multiply his scheduled speaking time by 3 or 4 to get an estimate of how long he will talk/yell/rant/etc.
If I go this time it will be as just a face in the mob and attend the panels.
Actually, I did have a panel for H2K (Parents of Hackers I think was the title we agreed on) but could not go due to a last min. thing.
Eve Fairbanks says I drive a hybrid!LOL
Your liberterian left wing propaganda suck giant donkey balls.
The Homeland sec dept. was created for well known reasons. Perhaps you do remember that crazy guy flied full loaded civillian planes into the twin towers in New York.
Do you want this to happen again ?
And the dept. is no assorting of ultra jerks who put kids into prison who live in their parents basements. They go after real terrorists. They don't care about HOPE. These are professionals and not jerks. While some of these "h4x0rs" seems themselves as ENEMY NO. 1 they ain't.
The dept. goes after real criminals who try to kill and harm people. They don't mess with playing children. And they don't put a sticker "terrorist" on random people. They put people into jail if they have proof and are confident that they doing/did something criminal. And when they use the term cyber-terrorist they don't mean your HOPE attaing, website defacing kiddies.
Owner of a Mensa membership card.
I even previewed that and still missed my screw up...
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It was the left-wingers (the Democrats) who in fact pushed the Homeland Security department idea before Bush got on board with it.
Bush only agreed to it once his demands to protect worker rights were met (the Democrats wanted to force Homeland Security workers to join and give money to non-job-related political organizations).
"And the dept. is no assorting of ultra jerks who put kids into prison who live in their parents basements"
The whackos are now claiming that the Bush administration is targeting "anyone who criticizes it" and putting them in Gitmo.
I guess Michael Moore and Howard Dean are really in Camp X-ray right now, and look-alike robots roam American to fool us that they are still free.
I had the pleasure of seeing Jello at a performance talk he gave at UMass sometime around the late 80's. It was about the Iraq war V1.0 and the Challenger disaster (covered a lot of ground, eh?). Jello wasn't the debacle that night though, it was the mass of students who couldn't get in to see him due high demand for tickets (first come first served). They pushed so hard on the doors they broke the glass and fell through. The state police took a bunch away and covered the door, then they put speakers outside so the mob could hear Jello also. It was loads of anarchistic fun.
It is by the juice of the coffee bean that thoughts acquire speed, the teeth acquire stains. The stains become a warning
Warning people ("potential terrorists") that these kinds of things are illegal under the current anti-terrorism laws will get you locked up in Guantanimo ba...
-WolfWithoutAClause
"Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"Imagemap that can't be rendered in Moz 1.3?
Move along, nothing to see here, not worth the effort.
Never by hatred has hatred been appeased, only by kindness - the Buddha
With episodes 7, 8, and 9 on the way, I need a new hope : (
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I wonder why it is, once again, 2600 has chosen to host hope directly before defcon? not enough months in the year to host a convention without attempting to compete directly? Why is it that 2600 seems to feel the need to compete? They can't even play nice, two defcons ago several 2600 lackeys we're caught distributing flyers with some funny stuff like inturupt a talke and some really messed up stuff like stab a goon, all this under the header, "FUCK DEFCON UP"
Doesn't matter, if I have to choose, hands down, defcon is the destination, given the attendance numbers at defcon it seems I'm not along.
A marketing tip mr corley: schedual you're con after people have saved some vacation time back up after defcon, then it wont be just east coast people that go. I'd sure like to check out hope but it's not going to come at the cost of the week I spend in vegas that july...
I was working for the New York Transit Authority back when a fellow by the name of Red Balaklava claimed he would reveal "secrets" about the MetroCard system. I got sent as an "undercover agent" along with a few people from the contractor that produced all the MetroCard equipment. It was a big waste of time. Nothing was revealed other than a talk about how doors were designed on token booths and how it's a safety issue. As a matter of fact, he advised people at the conference that trying to hack the system to save a $1.50 (the fare at the time), is a waste of time.
I had to sit through other equally useless presentations, like how html code needs to be designed so it's compatible in lynx in order for libraries and poor people who can only afford 386 computers can surf the Internet. (I shit you not!) What I learned from the HOPE conference is that most "hackers" (if we can agree these were hackers) are paranoid and generally misinformed about a great many things. The successful ones are those that had access to equipment and inside information. This Red Balaklava guy was a token booth clerk in disguise (our security people recognized him under his ridiculous mask). However, he had no real knowledge of how the system worked other than what he gleaned from the patent office's description and his own speculation...which was inaccurate to say the least.
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Comic Book Guy: Tubby? (looks down) Oh yes... Tubby
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Dude... skip them both and hit GrammarCon '04 this year. I guarantee they'll have all sorts of stuff you've never *heard* of.
On the Information Desk, for well.. most of it, I guess... we wound up providing some light entertainment as well, in the end.
Anyone there, might well remember me as 'The British Guy'
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I was under the impression 2600 were still talking about how awesome it WAS back in the day.
International visitors currently don't have their fingerprints recorded when entering the Netherlands.
they shored up their webservers, because i'm already not making it past page 5 in the Book of Hope....
"It's funny how as we grow old
We cling to the past as we cling to the air
and feel nostalgia for things that were
maybe never there..."
- The The, "Jealous of Youth"
"All planet leave is cancelled! I've just had an unhappy love affair, so I don't see why anyone else should have a good time."
- Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
The only thing that's changed is your perspective. Public displays of "hacker" culture have always been overwhelmed by script kiddies, wannabes, media morons and LEOs. DEFCON was always a joke as far as being a real security conference goes, but it's always been a heck of an excuse for a great big geek party. 2600 has never done anything but cater to the average junior high school student who still thinks anarchy rocks. And nearly all real analysis and argument have always taken place in private settings or online.
1994? 1997? 2000? 2004?
I dunno, I thought it was every 3 years, but I guess they're skipping a year...
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I went to H2K2 and found it to be fairly dull. Some things to point out:
There were two things that I did enjoy while I was there. One was the lockpicking session: I've never seen someone so good at picking locks before. The other was this hysterical documentary about script kiddies called Owned, which I'd like to have a copy of but can't seem to find anywhere.
But just being in Manhattan alone is worth the trip. That's one hell of an amazing city.
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I thought that Lucas finally said "The hell with it" and had decided to completly reshoot episode IV
Technoli
I went to H2K figureing what the heck, I think its needless to say, but at 22 I was well past the median age at the time :) of attendees at least. And most of the criticism here is valid, a lot of the talks were by people who thought they knew far more than they did, and a lot of the guys are paranoid.
Around the same time I saw a 2600 panel at ICON (a sci-fi con on LI) and I forget the guys name but one of the little lackies that was on Off The Hook all the time was going on about how they track Metrocards, I got in an arguement with him because I said that it was possible they tracked them so they could get a better idea of traffic flow, not so they would know what a bunch of 16 year old script kiddies were up to (I put it nicer)
But H2K was around the time of the MPAA v 2600 trial and RMS showed up, and I have to say after watching him speak I haven't used a proprietary OS since (except when working with someone elses computer of course) I am even the only one in my office running GNU/Linux for all my work. I always believed in free software but I found his talk very enjoyable and it was enough to push me over the edge.
And of course there was the "Freedom Downtime" showing with long delays (nothings more fun than sitting in an over crouded room full of tennage 'hackers' while they can figure out how to project a movie) while the film was amatuerish and basically a large Michael Moore derivation it was none-the-less enjoyable.
I think the Mitnick by phone (couldn't get permission to leave the state of california at the time) social engineering panel was very good. Eric called Verizon or AT&T to enquire about a memo about hope, and they bought that he was an employee hook line and sinker (till the croud yelled.
Cult of the Dead cow was retarded, and enlighting because I learned how much I actually completely disagree with a lot of what they stand for when they arent acting like buffoons on stage.
Jello was entertaining, of course it was a typical left-wing political "they're are fucking us" speech.
I think the best part was the MPAA v 2600 Mock trial in which I manged to get a good portion of the crowd to boo and hiss at eric when he walked in (in hannabal lecter garb no less). - it was a delightful mix of real lawyer speak, and really fun jabs.
yeah well, this was to be expected, I REALLY should avoid trying to write in english after being awake for 24+ hours
:)
I highly reccomend snotty-nazi-con for you btw
I was in attendance in 2002 at H2K2.
I didn't attend a ton of panels. I picked out some of the interesting ones, to me, and thought most of them were worth my time.
I wasn't terribly interested in all the politics, or Jello Biafra. I'd like to see more technical stuff, but I know that politics are part of what 2600 is all about.
The entertainment was okay. The show put on by Cult of the Dead Cow was very boring. I hope they never do it again. On the other hand, I really liked some of the DJ's who composed all of their own music. Some of it was excellent.
None-the-less, I plan to return to New York in July and hope this year's HOPE conference is even better than 2002's.
ENRON was a Clinton problem, actually. It started and flourished under his administration. It was exposed under the Bush administration, and shut down.
Yes, you are right that Bush stopping the terrorists in Iraq and elsewhere will help guarantee that he get elected a 2nd time.
The "a massive federal deficit"? The Democrats keep complaining that Bush is not spending ENOUGH money.
The Democrats look likely to lose later this year. The Dean message of hatred and lying will turn off the middle entirely. If things stay as they are domestically and internationally, Bush will surely win.
The alternatives do not make the chances of a Democrat victory look good either: Gephardt's courting of the 10% union workers ends up turning off the 90% who say "union no!". Clark is a joke candidate, much like Perot's Admiral running mate. Kerry, like Dean, is given to lying about everything and comes across as rather mean.
When you use acronyms in an article that some readers may not be familiar with, take the time to explain them.
Wow, a new definition for "clueless" - someone who's unfamiliar with an acrynym which refers to some hacker meeting. (I don't want to sound pissy lest I get moderated down for being a crank, but hey, you're either extending the "clueless" label to a ridiculously large proportion of the world's population, or you're diluting its effectiveness and impact when applied to genuine idiots... let's not lose this expressive word to overuse like we lost "dork" or "geek"!)
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Amazing. Almost 100 words in the article on HOPE, without once managing to mention that it stands for "Hackers On Planet Earth", or give us "clueless" the slightest idea what it's about (a sort of social-minded hackers' conference with some relation to 2600 Magazine).
Until I started clicking on slow links, I assumed it stood for "HOtel PEnnsylvania", where it was being held...
For those who don't know, HOPE stands for Hackers on Planet Earth. Thats right, folks, hackers.
I'm getting really tired of this "wink and a nod" attitude towards hackers. They are dangerous scofflaws.
And I am sick to death of people like you who continually misuse "hacker" to mean "computer criminal".
A "Hacker" is an exceptionally skilled programmer, who is able to achieve exceptional results and solve difficult problems through the application of his skills, especially in the absense of adequate software tools. (Indeed, most of the tools used by non-hackers to sove mundane problems were writting as hacks by hackers.)
People who break into systems are "(computer) crackers". (Be sure to include the "computer" when in or near Georgia.)
People who abscond with other people's data, converting it to other use (either their own or sold for profit) are "(comptuter) pirates".
People who damage systems for fun are "(computer) vandals", for political reasons are "(comptuer) terrorists" or "(information) warriors".
Calling a (computer) pirate a "hacker" is exactly the same mistake as calling a cattle ruslter a "cowboy", a truck thief a "trucker", or a sea-pirate a "sailor". Yes, many cattle rustlers are cowboys (though some are not). But most cowboys are NOT cattle rustlers.
Two sorts of people make this mistake:
- Those who are largely ignorant of the subject (getting their information from the mainstream/establishment press, politicians, or "security consultants" marketing themselves to upper management.
- (computer) crackers, vandals, or pirates of limited skill who are trying to puff up their reputations.
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Except no-one uses this. It is like the trekkies who insist on being called "Trekkers": no one cars.
Or better, yet, the realtors who insist that "Realtor" only applies to some Realtors, it is a trademark.
Outside of the geek world, "hacker" means computer crook. "Cracker" means Georgia redneck, and what you are calling a "Cracker" the public calls a computer-nerd or -geek.
am I just a conspiracy theorist, or is there something very weird and significant going on with the number '2600'? I mean, you've got the hacker group, you've got the venerable Atari, and now you've got Windows XP... as soon as I saw that my copy of XP (and almost everyone else's) was build number 2600, I started scratching my head and looking for correlations! (for fun, mind you)
Standing at the very edge of my imagination, I peered into the inky void and realised -- I couldn't think up a new sig.
At first it was every three years.
1994
1997
2000
Then it switched to every two years.
2002
2004
2006 *
Next, it will be every year
2007*
2008*
2009*
and then twice a year
spring and fall 2010 *
spring and fall 2011 *
spring and fall 2012 *
Then once a quarter, once a month, twice a month, and so on.
I expect that by 2020 we should be having these once a day.
* anticipated future date.
Great civilizations have lived and died on false theories. Don't mess up mine with a few facts.
The owners of the means of production have blocked many people from "applying their skills" with their permission in order to try to generate profit for those owners
This is not socialism, where government owns everything (incuding the means of production) and everyone is slave.
This is, instead, a situation where a programmer having the "means of production" is as simple as having a $599 Dell box with a CD burner, a stack of free-after-rebate CD's, and a Borland programming language.
I am posting this anonymously, because I deal with several, 'high level' members of 2600 on a regular basis. I have found that these members, including Emmanuel Goldstein (aka Eric Corley) are a bunch of self important people, who think their opinion is always correct. I also, have not had one good experience with other members. Again, they refuse to believe they could ever be wrong, and speak in a condescending manner to all those not in the 2600 'clique'. Mod me down if you want, but this is a true synopsis of my experiences with the 2600 'hackers'.
A whole bunch of us on the left coast [see: Los Angeles] have been working on getting our own convention off the ground. We're calling it LayerOne and it's a bit more for the Slashdot set then it is for the h4x0rs.
We're currently taking papers until March 14th from any interested parties who would like to speak on a broad range of topics. Anything from copyright issues to social software to VoIP is fair game.
gomi no sensei