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Local News Anchor Feels Pain from Afar

In times when Clear Channel makes up "local news" reports from central studios and broadcasts them over radio stations around the country, it's worth asking the question: when does it cross the line into deception?

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  1. No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

    WBZ Boston is owned by Infinity Radio, WTTK Boston is owned by Greater Media... it's not just ClearChannel, everybody's doing it.

    1. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it's not just ClearChannel, everybody's doing it.

      That doesn't mean it's ethical - or the right thing to do.

    2. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by Bryan+Gividen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Everybody's doing it. Which is why it is also okay to do drugs, jump of cliffs, and buy Windows XP.

    3. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by Frisky070802 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      True, but the ethics here aren't that questionable. He never says he's in Boston, he only implies it. Hmm, maybe he and Bill Clinton took the same ethics class?

      NB: I'm a fan of Clinton in most respects, just not how he handled a certain affair. This isn't flamebait, only a joke :)

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    4. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by c1ay · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure they are. Look at Darl McBride, not once has he informed us that he's reporting from the asylum. He still found a mountain of code, copied line by line from Unixware and he has the Linux developers trapped in their tanks retreating from the battle. What difference does it make where he says it from, he's still a nutcase either way.

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    5. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I may be the only person, but I didn't read it as saying "This story is about ClearChannel deceiving us", I read it as "ClearChannel have lowed the boundaries by doing X, here's an example of someone doing Y".
      In times when Clear Channel makes up "local news" reports from central studios and broadcasts them over radio stations around the country, it's worth asking the question: when does it cross the line into deception?
      Eg:

      "We live in times where Clear Channel makes up "local news" reports from central studios. Tsk? Eh? What's the world coming to. Here's another example of radio dishonesty, makes you wonder doesn't it? Where does one draw the line? Huh? Where? Makes you think. Oh, if you're asking, I'll have anuvva Guinness. Cheers."

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    6. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by router · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sure the news broadcaster industry will be up in arms when the radio networks outsource their broadcasts to India tho. Don't they see the handwriting on the wall?

      andy

    7. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by BoogieChile · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The article says that he gets a break of two weeks each bitterly cold winter month in Florida, paid for by the studio. He broadcasts from Florida while he's there, probably because the studio doesn't want to spend the money seeing one of their employees out of action for half the month, half of every year.

      The other half of winter, presumably, he's down in Boston freezing his mucus membranes off with the rest of us. When he's saying he knows how bad five below zero is even before the wind chill is taken into account, he probably does know what he's talking about.

      He may even know more clearly than everybody who's stuck back in Boston, because he's able to actually get warm (like really warm, you know, so warm you don't even have a runny nose, and you can leave the beer in the fridge rather than in the cupboard so it's not too cold to drink.

      And then, every two weeks, he gets to leave those balmy, sunny shores and go back to grey skies, rain wind and slush and frozen snot hanging from your top lip. The horror of anticipation that hovers in the last inch of frosty air as you grit your teeth and prepare to drop your naked bum onto a FUCKING COLD toilet seat at six o'clock in the morning...He knows. He can empathise. That's all he may be doing. He doesn't want to tell everybody that he's down in sunny Florida, because then everybody's going to want to lynch him when he gets back at the end of the fortnight.

      Rant over. Need beer

      PS: It's 32 lovely sunny degrees celcius here, and I get to drink beer out of the freezer (-6c). See? You all hate me now :)

  2. An Excellent Example by MissMarvel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is an excellent example of how easy it is to dupe the public into believing something that is not entirely factual. It also drives home the importance of our taking what we hear on radio/TV and what we read in the newspapers with a very big grain of salt.

    1. Re:An Excellent Example by conradp · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This is an excellent example of how easy it is to dupe the public into believing something that is not entirely factual. It also drives home the importance of our taking what we hear on radio/TV and what we read in the newspapers with a very big grain of salt.

      Exactly. Sort of like making the audience that believe that they're about to read an article about Clear Channel making up facts for local news broadcasts, only to find a link to an article about some guy who likes to vacation in Florida for a few weeks a year.

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    2. Re:An Excellent Example by glesga_kiss · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This is an excellent example of how easy it is to dupe the public into believing something that is not entirely factual.

      Bollocks. Has anyone posting here actually read the article? (stupid question).

      The guy is tele-commuting!, that's about all this story is. For two weeks per month in the winter, and two weeks over the summer, he works from home.

      How may people here do the exact same thing? What would be a better /. story would be "technology advances make it possible to record professional TV shows at home" or something along the lines of how this is done.

      And where is this grand deception? He made a "brrr it's cold remark", while he was in warmer climbs? That's it? Fuck me, call the A-Team!! Frankly, I'm more worried that the news networks feel it's neccessary to put bullshit fluff like that on the news in the first place.

      He's a news anchor. He turns up, looks "nice", reads someone elses story in a news-caster voice. That's all they do and it's hardly a secret. We know they aren't pounding the streets for stories themselves.

    3. Re:An Excellent Example by catbutt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what if Dan Rather, instead of travelling to the middle of a hurricane to report live, just used a blue screen and a wind machine, and had someone off screen throw a tree branch or two at him? Is that ok too?

    4. Re:An Excellent Example by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No one has a problem with people tele-commuting. But people DO have a problem when you LIE. That is exactly what this guy did. I don't care where you are. But if you say you are this or that, and you are not, then I DO care. Why does he have to lie? Why is he lying? Well, the answer is pretty simple. He is trying to manipulate people. If he is lying about such a little thing, maybe he is lying about all sorts of other things. You just don't know--and that's the point! He lost ALL his CREDIBILITY with that lie. I don't know who this guy is and I don't care about the weather. BUT can *I* be sure that he isn't going to lie and say that a medicine is safe because he took it (when in fact he didn't)? Or when he says that you cannot be charged for speeding less than 10km/h over the speed limit (when in fact he may be wrong)?

      It's just unfortunate that you still give him the credibility that you do. I think it would be better if you became a little more sceptical. No wonder the majority of people fall for politician's lies. If people didn't fall for it, politics would be 100x better.

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

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    5. Re:An Excellent Example by antiMStroll · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nice simplifiction, valid only for cubical drones who communicate to hundreds of thousands daily. If telecommuting isn't an issue why not be up front about it on air? Why dissemble? The story is about deception, not telecommuting.

    6. Re:An Excellent Example by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only if they hit him with the tree branch ;)

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    7. Re:An Excellent Example by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Informative

      When was the last time Dan Rather traveled to be in a hurricane? He used to do that years ago, but now, he sits at his nice calm anchordesk in NYC, and introduces some kid who's actually in the storm area.

    8. Re:An Excellent Example by alphaseven · · Score: 4, Informative
      So what if Dan Rather, instead of travelling to the middle of a hurricane to report live, just used a blue screen and a wind machine, and had someone off screen throw a tree branch or two at him? Is that ok too?

      Cokie Roberts tried something similar (putting on a coat and reporting in front of a blue sceen of Capitol Hill) years ago and got reprimanded for it. I think she may have made a remark about the weather there too. If she got reprimanded I think the radio reporter should too.

      And funny you should mention Dan Rather, he got in a controversy too for reporting in front of a digitaly altered Times Sqaure, link.

  3. nothing new by trmj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Clearchannel has been doing this for years. They even have a hand pick^H^H^H^H counted localized top 10 songs lists with the guy's voice from TRL.

    They call it "enhanced broadcasting technology." I call it decieving people into spending more money on the artificially "popular" music.

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  4. Whether he is technically dishonest or not... by r.jimenezz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...it must not be funny for Boston area residents that listen to him every morning. People tend to develop sort of an emotional linkage with their routine, and a news anchor is definitely part of the daily routine for many. I usually listen to music instead of live radio when I commute, but I know I'd be pissed off if it were me listening.

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  5. what?? by Dreadlord · · Score: 3, Funny

    a /. story with only one link?
    Hasn't hell frozen over yet? :)

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    1. Re:what?? by prockcore · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hasn't hell frozen over yet? :)

      Yes it has. I'm reporting live from hell, and I can tell you that it's might cold out there! Brr!

  6. Radio Contests by stealie72 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The "local" DJs on most small town radio stations are "voice tracking" from bigger cities, but acting like they're broadcasting from downtown.

    So I don't think they'd have any problems decieving you where you local television personality is broadcasting from. And I'm not sure it is a problem. I've lived all over, from Youngstown, OH to Boston to Los Angeles, and it doesn't matter where you are, because the local news always sucks.

    As a side note, CC has gotten into some trouble with consolidated contests on radio, where they make it seem like your local station is giving away a million dollars, when in reality, it's every station they own giving away the million dollars, so when you call in, you're competing with a whole country worth of callers.

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  7. Great family guy moment... by shiafu · · Score: 5, Funny
    Tom Tucker: In other news, an accident caused the Quahog cable television transmitter to be knocked out, which will prevent broadcasting to the entire city. Actually, no can hear this, so it doesn't really matter what I say. I'm the lord Jesus Christ. I think I'm going to get drunk and beat up some hookers. How about you, Diane?

    Diane Simmons: Well, Tom, I just plain don't like black people.

    Director: Uh, guys, we're still on in Boston.

  8. the meat of the article is towards the end by ChipMonk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "When he's talking about how cold it is, that's not news, it's entertainment. It's cosmetic," Harrison added.

    That sounds like a lot of so-called "news organizations." Their #1 purpose is to entertain, lest they lose a large chunk of their audience. Actual news content is secondary.

    "It's no more a lie than putting makeup on a TV anchor to make them look younger. The main thing is that his information does not deceive the public."

    One more step in virtualizing the whole world. How soon can we have virtual war, where nobody dies?

    1. Re:the meat of the article is towards the end by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One more step in virtualizing the whole world. How soon can we have virtual war, where nobody dies?

      Well, if you go with the US media, the Iraqi war is pretty much a virtual war. Sure, you hear about some death here and there but it is all virtual. No one has seen any video of a dead person. No one has seen blood. No one has seen victims without legs, arms, loved ones. No one has seen the soldiers that are crippled for life. It's pretty virtual it seems...

      :(

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

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  9. WBZ 1030's entire weather staff lives in PA... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    WBZ's weather reporters never experience our weather either. Gary is the main anchor, he always gets his weather information from an AccuWeather personality, and AccuWeather is centered in PA.

    There is another major weather-radio service called Weather Services Corp. That's based out of the Boston area, which like AccuWeather provides weather forcasts delivered by personalties who don't ever actually visit the station's studios, but they never use a national-trademark brand, and they will call their studio anything the station wants them too, such as the "Kiss-FM WeatherDesk".

    So, this has actually been going on for decades, it's just that nobody has noticed...

  10. This story is total bullshit by defile · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course he's in Boston during his broadcasts. I saw it on TV.

  11. So what? by Apro+im · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So who, exactly is he harming? He's telecommuting - and he's not claiming to investigate these things. It's not like those journalists who fake stories that happen in places they've never been. He's just reading a weather report off a computer, which every radio news anchor does, anyway - it's not as if he's claiming to be out there with a thermometer. And to say things like "when do we get a break" does not constitute lying - it's not as if he said "I'm here in Boston, reporting on blah-blah-blah".

    I have many issues with ClearChannel, but frankly, this isn't one of them.

  12. At least ... by mistert2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    it is not India....yet.

  13. Does it really matter? by sfbanutt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean really, does it?

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    1. Re:Does it really matter? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I mean really, does it?

      Nope. Gary's rarely in the same room with most of the reporters he talks with on his morning show, the sports reporter works in another room in the same building, the traffic reporter is somewhere accross town, the weatherperson is from AccuWeather in PA, and any field reporters are of course out in the field.

      The content decisions are still being made by editors in Boston... and there's no need to hand pieces of paper to the lead anchor anyway because it's all done on computers anyway. The technology exists to push all of the "data on his desk" to Florida, and for him to send back his voice in high quality...

  14. What my Mom Taught me by iCharles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Where he's reporting from is irrelevant. I'm not wasting my airtime to tell people where Gary is."

    I a standard my mom taught me probably would let him know: if you can't admit what you are doing, then you probably aren't doing the right thing.

    In the article they make statements like "location doesn't affect reporting," and "the DJ never actually says he's shivering."

    OK. If you don't think it makes a difference, take two seconds to say "my name is John Deaux, and I'm coming to you from Northern Florida. In Where-ever-you-are, USA, it's a bone-chilling five degrees..." If you are afraid to make that little disclosure, then you are implicitly admitting that it does make a difference.

    Of course, I've been thinking that Clear Channel is evil for a while now, for totally different reasons.

    1. Re:What my Mom Taught me by iCharles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think there are three things.

      First, there has been much concern about media conglomeration. More stations in the hands of fewer people means that fewer views are presented, less choice, more homogenization. Further, if something does become a problem (say, DJ's advocating violence against cyclists), then it is in fewer hands to try to do something about it. So long as it doesn't cause the FCC to investigate, those few hands don't have to. Likewise, the lack of music choice that is often lamented (hey! It's Britney Spears Clone #192!) is part of the problem The practice described in the article is both a symptom of this problem as well as a way for it to be masked.

      Second, I think there is the inherent dishonesty. You're right, on the Great Scale of Things to Worry About, it probably isn't that great (though, on \., I've seen far more trivial matters argued in great detail). However, there is a sense that implying you are "local" when you are in a different timezone just isn't fair.

      Further, creating this "generic" show just strikes me of corporate disrespect. I read another article about this practice, and it describes how one DJ does a dozen morning shows from one control booth. He creates this illusion that he is local with little tweaks.

      I think there is an expectation (mostly through historical means) that the person they listen to on the radio is like them--actually go to the same places, had to deal with the same conditions on the way in, etc. I know when, growing up in southwest Louisiana, you could even hear hints of the areas accent and slang. By making the radio generic, you lose that connection.

  15. Why is this on Slashdot? by Sophrosyne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It must be a slow news day... because this has to be one of the most pointless stories around, whether on slashdot or any other news site.
    --Wow some guy broadcasts a news show from home...big freaking deal- The former prime-minister of Canada had a vacation house in Florida as well, and he managed to "run the country" while he was away.
    Look at the logo: News for Nerds. Stuff that matters.
    Someone enlighten me, why should anyone care?

  16. Not quite relevant by mcc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This isn't actually relevant, but it amused me.

    On friday cnn.com was running an article about the upcoming Iowa democratic primary. Attatched to this was a photo, labelled as being Dean supporters busing to Iowa from another state, of four or five people standing on a bus and a big guy asleep in one of the seats with a "DEAN FOR PRESIDENT" t-shirt.

    Also that day, cnn.com was running an article about how republican supporters were busing into the areas of democratic primaries to hold pro-Bush rallies in an attempt to blunt the effect of the media attention the democratic primaries drew. Attatched to this article was a picture labelled as the pro-Bush supporters busing in. The picture was the exact same one as from the other story, but with the guy in the "DEAN FOR PRESIDENT" t-shirt cropped out.

    I found this funny.

    1. Re:Not quite relevant by S.Lemmon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually they both probally hire out from the same "Rent-a-Rally" service.

  17. Ronalg Reagan in the Cryptonomicon by axolotl_farmer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is apparently nothing new.In "In the Beginning was the Command Line" by Neal Stephenson is this passage on Ronald Reagan pretending to report live from ballgames in the 30s!

    When Ronald Reagan was a radio announcer, he used to call baseball games by reading the terse descriptions that trickled in over the telegraph wire and were printed out on a paper tape. He would sit there, all by himself in a padded room with a microphone, and the paper tape would eke out of the machine and crawl over the palm of his hand printed with cryptic abbreviations. If the count went to three and two, Reagan would describe the scene as he saw it in his mind's eye: "The brawny left-hander steps out of the batter's box to wipe the sweat from his brow. The umpire steps forward to sweep the dirt from home plate." and so on. When the cryptogram on the paper tape announced a base hit, he would whack the edge of the table with a pencil, creating a little sound effect, and describe the arc of the ball as if he could actually see it. His listeners, many of whom presumably thought that Reagan was actually at the ballpark watching the game, would reconstruct the scene in their minds according to his descriptions.
  18. The media you don't see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Using the 1992 presidential election as his springboard, documentary filmmaker Brian Springer captures the behind-the-scenes maneuverings of politicians and newscasters in the early 1990s. Pat Robertson banters about "homos," Al Gore learns how to avoid abortion questions, George Bush talks to Larry King about halcyon -- all presuming they're off camera. Composed of 100% unauthorized satellite footage, Spin is a surreal expose of media-constructed reality.

    (588 MB download)
    www.illegal-art.org/video/vcd/Spin_1.mpg

  19. Come on now... by Henry+Stern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aren't there more constructive ways of spending energy than complaining about a guy who is lucky enough to be able to work from his vacation home?

    Yeeesh.

    P.S. What does Clear Channel have to do with this, anyway?

  20. Re:hard to believe anything by kfg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course this process can also be intentionally manipulated for comedic effect:

    John Cameron Swasey: Laybird, I understand you are a great student of history. Tell me, what were the first words the Indians spoke to the Pilgrims as they landed on our shores.

    Ladybird Johnson: Welcome to the LBJ Ranch!

    That's one's always been one of my favorites.

    Of course in retrospect some of these early comedic manipulations of live interviews can take on a sad irony.

    JCS: Bobby, it's rumored that your brother Ted is going to run for president. How do you feel about that?

    Bobby Kennedy: Well, if he wants to join me where I'm going, I'd be glad to have him along.

    That was pretty funny circa 1965.

    I remember sitting in front of a little B&W television all day watching reporters talk about the assasination attempt and the, ultimately futile, attempts to save Mr. Kennedey's life.

    There were reporters sitting in the studio talking to reporters outside the hospital where the surgery was taking place. I always knew which were which. There was never some guy standing in front of a blue screen in the studio while a picture of the hospital was added behind him to simulate on the spot reporting.

    Maybe I'm just turning into an old fart, but yes, I think that sort of thing is when you start going too far, even if you haven't "lied." It is still an intentional deception.

    Knock it off.

    KFG

  21. Distortion of new is not a crime by ip · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As ghastly as it might seem, this issue has been tested in court. When Akre and Wilson sued Fox in Florida under the Whistleblower act, for altering an rbgd story, after initially winning a $425K judgment, they lost an appeal because the Whistleblower Act only protects people resisting employer crime, and it was deemed that distorting the news, and falsifying news stories is not a crime.
    It seems to me that pretending to be local is a far lesser offense.

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    http://www.foxbghsuit.com/release022803.htm

    Cheers,
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  22. Tour of the station by mrpuffypants · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few years back I took a tour of KDGE here in dallas. The Edge is probably one of the biggest stations in the DFW metroplex, and there are a few other stations based out of the same offices.

    Well, as we went into the booth for the 'oldies' station the DJ started talking to us and mentioned that he was recording the morning show for Phoenix that would air tomorrow. He also said that he was the voice for something like 6 other stations, just with different names, personas, etc.

    Also, back in my small hometown the local Clear Channel station ditched the local morning guys and decided to go with some syndicated bullshit that is generic for ANY market; Think of them saying "Man, it sure is cold!" "Hell yeah!" and of course all of the call-in stuff is BS to the extreme. Call the number, give the `DJ` your request and it may be considered by the CC people if its requested in enough numbers.

    You know what's a lot more satisfying? What lets you listen to the song a bunch of times, even on your iPod? Fucking KaZaa. Download music. Why would you request something then wait 4 hours for it to come on the radio?

  23. Clear Channel music isn't centralized by kitzilla · · Score: 3, Informative
    Local Clear Channel stations make their own music decisions. We all share our local research, but the company NEVER dictates which songs we play. Period.

    Those who say differently are lying, guessing, or wishing.

    Other companies have their own policies. But that's how we do it at CC.

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    1. Re:Clear Channel music isn't centralized by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Local Clear Channel stations make their own music decisions. We all share our local research, but the company NEVER dictates which songs we play. Period.

      Yep. People are all up in arms about the DJs being from out of town, but DJs have had little to no say in what songs get played for years. The computer generates a playlist, with maybe a few holes for requests or DJ selections... any deviations from the computer-asigned schedule are logged and subject to review by the PD after it happens, override the schedule the wrong way and the PD will want to have a talk with the DJ...

    2. Re:Clear Channel music isn't centralized by Monx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      the company NEVER dictates which songs we play. Period.

      What about the refusal to play "Imagine" for a while after 9/11? Or the ban on playing the Dixie Chicks.

    3. Re:Clear Channel music isn't centralized by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Clear Channel never put out a "Banned Songs List" from corperate. What sparked that rumor was the fact that local PDs started contributing song names on a "Songs that it would be a bad idea to play right now..." thread that formed on their intranet message boards. That thread circulated as PDs were rushing to reprogram their computers to avoid playing songs that would either be too depressing or had gained a second meaning because of 9/11. A parellel list of songs that were better to play also got spread arround, and some instant-hits such as a remix of Enya's Only Time with news quotes inserted got created and spread as a result.

      There wasn't any order from corperate as much as there was an online groupthink session among the people who had all been tasked with the same responsiblity.

      The "ban" on playing the Dixie Chicks was requested by their own fans. See, they lost a lot of fans when their lead singer made a dumb comment in Europe that got reported stateside. Requests and album sales plumeted immedately, and as a result of those drops, they started falling off of radio playlists. You can't be on a Top 40 station if there are 40 songs more popular than you...

    4. Re:Clear Channel music isn't centralized by kitzilla · · Score: 4, Informative
      You are referring to an informal, non-binding, and rather oddball list circulated by a few CC programmers shortly after 9-11. It had no weight at all, was not issued by the company, and was rather ignored by virtually all CC PDs (including me).

      In any case, al lot of folks sort of lost their minds after 9-11. I don't fault the PDs who made up the list. They were really trying their best no to rub salt into listeners' wounds.

      As for the Dixie Chicks, Clear Channel NEVER banned them as a company. Many stations pulled their records after getting hundreds or thousands of listener complains. My stations chose to keep playing them, but we've backed off in recent months. The music research comes back looking horrible. But that's the decision of our listeners, not Clear Channel.

      I can think of at least one radio company which *did* officially ban the Chicks: Cumulus Media. Go picket THEM.

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  24. The press is not expected to mislead by GuyMannDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an excellent example of how easy it is to dupe the public into believing something that is not entirely factual. It also drives home the importance of our taking what we hear on radio/TV and what we read in the newspapers with a very big grain of salt.

    I think what irritates people such much about this is that this time it was the PRESS in a BLATANT attempt at disception. People like to believe that even though commericals are filled with lies and deceipt and politicans' televised speeches are full of fabrications that somehow the press is above all this and has a responsiblity to be as open and honest with their audience as possible. Now, you and I and most slashdotters know better. But the average person really trusts the media to keep them informed. Sure, this is a relatively small breech of trust. "Who cares?" you might be tempted to ask. And, yes, the actual location of some TV personality doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. However, the very idea that this station is involved in deception and, when caught, claim there is nothing wrong with what they are doing is what upsets people so much.

    GMD

  25. Capitalism & the Media by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since nearly all media are controlled by private entities under capitalism, and since my theory is that free markets will result in oligopolies and monopolies, I think it is fair to say that this is just the start of the takeover of "news" by corporations. If you ever thought the media was responsible for the truth, you are sadly mistaken. The media has never had anything to do with the truth. In the past, the government controlled media* was nothing more than a propaganda outlet for the--you guessed it--government.

    Nowadays, the media is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the corporations. Don't get me wrong. The government still has massive influence. One just needs to look at how the US government has manipulated television, movie studios, or print media since 9/11. At least 40% of what came out of US media in the last 2 years have been disinformation. Anyone wonder why the majority of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was an Al-Qaida member? Ever wonder why no one bothers to find out WHO cooked up the fake documents relating to plutonium in Niger? And best of all, ever wonder what happened to the Anthrax Assasin? Yes folks, the Anthrax Assasin, who incidentally killed more innocent Americans than Saddam Hussein, has dissapeared. And it does not stop with USA. I mean, just pick your favourite country and see how the media manipulates information. One needs to look no further than France and how the French government is manipulating the recent ban on religious ornaments as passing it off as liberalism. Clearly, this has nothing to do with liberalism. After all, liberalism is consistent with multiculturalism and banning things takes society even further away. Yet the French government is claiming it is the liberals who wanted it (this is kind of interesting given that Jacques Chirac is a right winger (Gaullist I think)). Of course, if you want the ultimate book on how the people's opinions are shaped, you can check out the highly acclaimed Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky. Or you can check out some books by Nazis (they were the ultimate propagandists).

    Now, my comment is about capitalism. There have been countless stories that were not aired, or countless people who were fired, for simply telling the truth that had a potential to damage their parent corporations. Next time you watch NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, or National Geographic, and notice how it never criticizes G.E., you know why. This is just a tame example (clearly organizations like Fox News and Washington Post are more propagandist). You don't need me to tell you that. Just look around and you'll see. Something like 11 companies control 90% of all media in USA. For the smaller countries, it's even worse (2 or 3 companies control 95% of the media).

    It doesn't get any better. People in "liberal" societies think that their news is diverse and comes from many sources. Oh, how mistaken they are. The vast majority of news (probably 80%+) comes from two sources (in North America): Reuters and Associated Press. Sure, there are hundreads of newspapers. Flip through them and you'll see that most news comes from AP and Reuters. Needless to say, AP and Reuters are for-profit entities who only care about making money.

    All of this will just get worse and worse. The only thing keeping some of these media companies from merging with each other creating even larger multinational corporations are anti-trust laws and nationalistic laws (eg. laws preventing foreign ownership). Once those legislation are weakened (capitalism calls for the elimination of them), the final stage will be complete. Rest assured. Unless you lead a high-risk lifestyle, it will likely happen within your lifetime.

    Welcome to the future world... where all news comes from the Associated World News Network (with its 'your only news source' slogan) versus FuX News Network (with its sloga

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  26. *cough* "baa..." *cough* by janbjurstrom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Meta-territory here, but was there a vote on bleating-acceptance I missed, or...? Didn't Nirvana's "here we are now, entertain us" attitude end a decade ago?

    Part of the problem could stem from casting oneself as "the audience". An audience passively consumes what it is served. I don't know, but shouldn't (being part of creating what is) Slashdot, be ..you know, the opposite of wanting to be spoonfed?

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    1. Re:*cough* "baa..." *cough* by Tim+C · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An audience passively consumes what it is served.

      So tell me, how much input do you get on which articles get posted and which rejected?

      We passively consume the articles, occasionally getting our suggestions accepted. But the real active part only comes *after* the article is posted, and we get to discuss it. Even if the vast majority of us agreed that an article was crap, and should never have been posted, we couldn't change it one iota.

    2. Re:*cough* "baa..." *cough* by janbjurstrom · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Good point. I agree with the first part. Much could be done with the submission/selection/creation side of /. (precisely what I don't know, maybe something akin to the ingenious ideas and implementation of these collaborative discussion tools(?)).

      But even today, I believe it is working quite well. As you say, the weak "articles" are quickly scrutinized, the initial slants, etc. are - if substandard/false - discarded, and the discussions yield insights, perspectives and opinions no one could foresee. (Unfortunately, a lot of very good stuff is offtopic, and sometimes get modded thusly.).
      But the real active part only comes *after* the article is posted, and we get to discuss it.
      What I think I'm saying, is that I believe the *after* part of the "Slashdot experience" is what matters. The Slashdot "articles" aren't so much articles (at least not to me), as 'sparkplugs'; facilities to get us talking - about whatever matters (increasingly offtopic if we choose, like this thread :) ). Speed, volume, and continuity; a steady stream of lots of new (yes, dupe-clusters are annoying) stuff to delve into, I firmly believe is more important than getting the facts 100% correct. Or getting a totally unbiased (which I don't even think is possible..) starting point for our discussions.

      As the original "article" examplifies, not even the *real* journos get it right, they just think they do. The important and best part about Slashdot (when it's working), is that all the smart people here collectively dig out what (if any) knowledge, humor, dilemmas, etc., any original topic (or whatever's remotely related) contains.

      To me, the "articles" are like the awkward opening phrases you resort to when meeting people. Necessary, but mostly to quickly break the ice and learn something interesting. Cheers.
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  27. Of COURSE this is wrong by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Forgot all the angels on pins arguments, all the quibbling about telecommuting and whether or not everybody is doing it. Forget ALL that. Cut to the chase.

    Both the anchor and the radio station don't want the audience to know. Therefore they know they are being deceptive and that it is wrong.

  28. Re:Outsourcing by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's reminds me of how Indian phone center workers are sometimes trained in different regional US accents to create the illusion that they're local to the US customer.

    That's nothing... It's the naming thing that gets to me. Just a few weeks ago I was talking to a phone-support person with a deep, scratchy voice. The name given was (no joke) "Emily".

    What was just as funny, was hearing "Emily" freeze for about 15 seconds when I asked for her to spell it. :-)
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  29. story queue moderation by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I asked Slashdot about a user (subscriber?) moderated story submissions queue, their reply (thanks!) was that such participation causes "social problems". They're experts, but I'd like to see a way to experiment with that social dynamic, so we can solve the social problems, instead of avoiding them. Sure, we could hack user moderation into the Slashcode story submission queue, and launch "OpenSlashdot (TM)", but without the large experienced community, the experiment won't work so well. Meanwhile, many story submissions disappear into an unaccountable black hole, while many other reposts appear weekly.

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  30. Bin Laden != freedom fighter by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "What kind of problems has kuro5hin encountered with their user moderated story queue?"

    Well, kuro5hin did run a story calling Bin Laden a (misunderstood) "freedom fighter" and his war against the US a "strategic move".

    If that's the kind of stories user moderation results in then I'd say user moderation sucks.

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    1. Re:Bin Laden != freedom fighter by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm a New Yorker, and I'd flay bin Laden alive if I had the chance. That deluded story posted to kuro5hin would give me a chance to say so to the poster, as well as other commentors. As well as a chance to distinguish my personal interest from a proper US government policy and strategy for fighting terrorism. If it had been suppressed, that chance would have been lost. So posting it doesn't seem to be a problem, unless the system had been somehow gamed to post it contrary to the expressed decisions of the moderators. Or unless actual reality is subservient to expressions on websites, justifying supression of expression to control real events.

      You might say that the k5 moderators suck, in which case you could participate and influence to change things for the better. Controversy is not a social problem, unless it's an unmanageable din, or freedom of expression is constrained. What actual "social problems" have k5 people experienced?

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  31. Re:Facts in journalism by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Correct, and if he says "it's 20 below outside the WBZ studios" and it really is, he's telling the truth. One might think that the only way for him to know that exact number is to be at the studios, but they're flat-out wrong... anybody who can download WeatherBug can get the realtime temperature reading from a unit installed outside of the WBZ studios.

    I'd think he was well aware to not use "here in Boston" phrase constructions when he was broadcasting from his house in Florida. Technically, he's almost always wrong when he says "here in Boston" because WBZ's main studios are actually in the community of Allston, MA... and their transmitter is actually in Hull, MA. The station is actually licensed to serve the community of Boston, but a radio station doesn't actually have to be located in it's city of licensed, just close enough so that it covers its city with a "city grade" signal quality.