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In times when Clear Channel makes up "local news" reports from central studios and broadcasts them over radio stations around the country, it's worth asking the question: when does it cross the line into deception?

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  1. No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Informative

    WBZ Boston is owned by Infinity Radio, WTTK Boston is owned by Greater Media... it's not just ClearChannel, everybody's doing it.

    1. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it's not just ClearChannel, everybody's doing it.

      That doesn't mean it's ethical - or the right thing to do.

    2. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by Bryan+Gividen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Everybody's doing it. Which is why it is also okay to do drugs, jump of cliffs, and buy Windows XP.

    3. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by Frisky070802 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      True, but the ethics here aren't that questionable. He never says he's in Boston, he only implies it. Hmm, maybe he and Bill Clinton took the same ethics class?

      NB: I'm a fan of Clinton in most respects, just not how he handled a certain affair. This isn't flamebait, only a joke :)

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    4. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by c1ay · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure they are. Look at Darl McBride, not once has he informed us that he's reporting from the asylum. He still found a mountain of code, copied line by line from Unixware and he has the Linux developers trapped in their tanks retreating from the battle. What difference does it make where he says it from, he's still a nutcase either way.

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    5. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by program21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And if there's no alcohol, then people can't get it and get behind the wheel of a car drunk...except that alcohol is legal, it's driving while intoxicated that's not. So why are drugs so different?

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    6. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by Uma+Thurman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If there were no people, there's no way people can use drugs and get behind the wheel of a car.

      So, kill all the people.

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    7. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I may be the only person, but I didn't read it as saying "This story is about ClearChannel deceiving us", I read it as "ClearChannel have lowed the boundaries by doing X, here's an example of someone doing Y".
      In times when Clear Channel makes up "local news" reports from central studios and broadcasts them over radio stations around the country, it's worth asking the question: when does it cross the line into deception?
      Eg:

      "We live in times where Clear Channel makes up "local news" reports from central studios. Tsk? Eh? What's the world coming to. Here's another example of radio dishonesty, makes you wonder doesn't it? Where does one draw the line? Huh? Where? Makes you think. Oh, if you're asking, I'll have anuvva Guinness. Cheers."

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    8. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by revmoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Very easy. If there's no drugs, there's no way people can use them and get behind the wheel of a car.

      Sure! And if there are no guns, no one will be shot and killed. And if there are no elections, we can't vote for the wrong person. And if we aren't allowed freedom of choice, then we can't make the wrong decisions.

      Great logic...

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    9. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by blincoln · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is kind of a silly position. Should mountain-climbers, motorcyclists, and others whose hobbies involve higher-risk activities than using drugs also have to excuse themselves from public assistance? What about smokers and drinkers?

      I don't use any drugs other than alcohol (I even gave up caffeine about six months ago). However, most of the ones that are currently illegal are safe when used in a proper environment and unpolluted with poor manufacturing ingredients and whatever the street dealer decided to cut them with.

      Opiates and cocaine? They're safe enough to be used in hospitals (morphine is common, cocaine is used for certain types of surgery).

      Amphetamines? The Air Force feeds them to its pilots.

      Tryptamines (e.g. mushrooms, DMT)? No physical health issues at all, unless you eat so many mushrooms that your stomach bursts.

      The list goes on. Certain drugs have certain risks (particularly the ones with addictive properties, as well as the dissociative hallucinogens like PCP and ketamine which are dangerous and unpredictable), but almost all of them are less harmful to the body than alcohol and tobacco.

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    10. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by flewp · · Score: 2, Informative

      Read this research paper I wrote (I wrote it back in senior year of HS for an advanced writing class). You might find that it brings up some interesting points. It is geared to the legalization of marijuana as opposed to other drugs, but I think you could apply most of the points to drugs in general and why the drug war is a wasted effort.

      Drugs have been used in civilization since people first inhabited the lands. Peoples throughout the history of civilization have thrived and advanced, all the while using such drugs as marijuana, peyote, psychedelic mushrooms and DMT. This is contrary to the popular belief that all drugs are destructive in nature. Drugs were often integral parts of society. Often, members of native tribes, such as those found in the Southwestern United States and indigenous natives of South America used what are now illegal drugs for many things from diagnosing illness to going on a spiritual journey. The most popular drug of today's society is marijuana. Marijuana, a drug that cannot be classified in any one particular category such as hallucinogenic, stimulant, or depressant, creates an euphoric feeling in the user, often associated with increased appetite, and slurred thought processes and slower reactions. Marijuana has however, been classified as an evil and destructive drug and a dark part of society. Despite the myths that surround it, marijuana is a very safe and in many ways, helpful drug. Marijuana should be legalized in the United States for all purposes for those who are eighteen years old and older.

      Legalization of marijuana could reduce street crime. Marijuana may lead to harder drugs, which would increase street crime. However, legalized marijuana could reduce harder drug use as a legal substitute. Marijuana could potentially become a filter for harder drugs, as in Holland, where marijuana was decriminalized in 1976, the rate of cocaine and heroine use is much lower than in the United States (David Zeese, as cited in Medical). Before 1914, when most now illicit drugs were still legal, very little crime existed related to drug use (Torr, 94). Organized crime, black markets, and violence have all erupted as a result of drugs becoming criminalized (94). If marijuana were to become legal, it would reduce the use of hard drugs, which would, in turn, reduce the amount of drug related crime. In the 1920's and 1930's, alcohol was prohibited in the United States. Prohibition brought with it violence, corruption, and organized crime that is still with us today (96). Legalization would reduce drug-related violence, as drug pushers would be put out of their jobs, and thus there would be no need to fight for territory to sell their drugs. As stated by the Libertarian Party:
      Whenever there is a great demand for a product and government makes it illegal, a black market always appears to supply the demand. The price of the product rises dramatically and the opportunity for huge profits is obvious. The criminal gangs love the situation, making millions. They kill other drug dealers, along with innocent people caught in the crossfire, to protect their territory. They corrupt police and courts. Pushers sell adulterated dope and experimental drugs, causing injury and death. And because drugs are illegal, their victims have no recourse (Libertarian).

      Also, anyone with a drug record, even for marijuana, may not be able to get a decent job as a result of drug-free workplaces. People may even be denied affordable housing, due to drug-free housing (97). This prevents people from rehabilitating themselves, which could lead them to turn to crime.

      Police would be free to investigate other, more serious problems if marijuana were legalized. Instead of trying to find someone smoking marijuana in even controlled, safe environments, the police could be out looking for those who commit more serious crimes such as robbery, rape, and even murder. Freeing up the police's time would be just as effective as adding more police, but at a cheaper cost. Many people are incarcerate

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    11. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by router · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sure the news broadcaster industry will be up in arms when the radio networks outsource their broadcasts to India tho. Don't they see the handwriting on the wall?

      andy

    12. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, he says he's in Boston all of the time, and 100% of the time he says that he's telling the truth. He avoids using "here" phrase constructions when he's in Florida, but that's only four weeks out of the year. (The station likely chose the remote setup instead of giving him 4 extra weeks of vactation...)

    13. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by BoogieChile · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The article says that he gets a break of two weeks each bitterly cold winter month in Florida, paid for by the studio. He broadcasts from Florida while he's there, probably because the studio doesn't want to spend the money seeing one of their employees out of action for half the month, half of every year.

      The other half of winter, presumably, he's down in Boston freezing his mucus membranes off with the rest of us. When he's saying he knows how bad five below zero is even before the wind chill is taken into account, he probably does know what he's talking about.

      He may even know more clearly than everybody who's stuck back in Boston, because he's able to actually get warm (like really warm, you know, so warm you don't even have a runny nose, and you can leave the beer in the fridge rather than in the cupboard so it's not too cold to drink.

      And then, every two weeks, he gets to leave those balmy, sunny shores and go back to grey skies, rain wind and slush and frozen snot hanging from your top lip. The horror of anticipation that hovers in the last inch of frosty air as you grit your teeth and prepare to drop your naked bum onto a FUCKING COLD toilet seat at six o'clock in the morning...He knows. He can empathise. That's all he may be doing. He doesn't want to tell everybody that he's down in sunny Florida, because then everybody's going to want to lynch him when he gets back at the end of the fortnight.

      Rant over. Need beer

      PS: It's 32 lovely sunny degrees celcius here, and I get to drink beer out of the freezer (-6c). See? You all hate me now :)

    14. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by madmancarman · · Score: 2, Funny
      Everybody's doing it. Which is why it is also okay to do drugs, jump of cliffs, and buy Windows XP.

      I think you've got the order wrong. First you buy XP, then you do drugs to counter the effects, and finally jump off a cliff to end it all.

      Wait... you'd have to be on drugs to buy Windows XP, so it must be: drugs -> XP -> cliff.

      ...unless your injuries from previously jumping off a cliff required that you take pain-killing drugs, and while reeling from their effects...

      It's all circular, really.

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    15. Re:No Clear Channel stations mentioned in story... by Threni · · Score: 2, Informative

      Alcohol? Tobacco? They're legal, and cause quite a few deaths every year. Whereas cannabis, lsd, cocaine etc are much less harmful. Most of the harm caused by drugs is due to their illegality (impossibility of enforcing quality standards, badly `cut` drugs, turf wars (with consequent deaths in cross-fires, mistaken identity), lifes wasted in prison, etc etc. Drugs are expensive because they are illegal - they'd be a fraction of their current cost if this were not the case.

      Sure, some bad things happen to some people who take drugs, but they're generally the same idiots who become alcoholics or gamblers, and would have happened whether drugs were legal or not, so basically you get those problems in addition to the extra problems caused by their illegality.

      I can see you've not really thought about any of this. Once again, you've proven that its the people who can't see that making drugs illegal is a bad thing who have a problem with reality.

  2. An Excellent Example by MissMarvel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is an excellent example of how easy it is to dupe the public into believing something that is not entirely factual. It also drives home the importance of our taking what we hear on radio/TV and what we read in the newspapers with a very big grain of salt.

    1. Re:An Excellent Example by conradp · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This is an excellent example of how easy it is to dupe the public into believing something that is not entirely factual. It also drives home the importance of our taking what we hear on radio/TV and what we read in the newspapers with a very big grain of salt.

      Exactly. Sort of like making the audience that believe that they're about to read an article about Clear Channel making up facts for local news broadcasts, only to find a link to an article about some guy who likes to vacation in Florida for a few weeks a year.

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    2. Re:An Excellent Example by glesga_kiss · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This is an excellent example of how easy it is to dupe the public into believing something that is not entirely factual.

      Bollocks. Has anyone posting here actually read the article? (stupid question).

      The guy is tele-commuting!, that's about all this story is. For two weeks per month in the winter, and two weeks over the summer, he works from home.

      How may people here do the exact same thing? What would be a better /. story would be "technology advances make it possible to record professional TV shows at home" or something along the lines of how this is done.

      And where is this grand deception? He made a "brrr it's cold remark", while he was in warmer climbs? That's it? Fuck me, call the A-Team!! Frankly, I'm more worried that the news networks feel it's neccessary to put bullshit fluff like that on the news in the first place.

      He's a news anchor. He turns up, looks "nice", reads someone elses story in a news-caster voice. That's all they do and it's hardly a secret. We know they aren't pounding the streets for stories themselves.

    3. Re:An Excellent Example by catbutt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what if Dan Rather, instead of travelling to the middle of a hurricane to report live, just used a blue screen and a wind machine, and had someone off screen throw a tree branch or two at him? Is that ok too?

    4. Re:An Excellent Example by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No one has a problem with people tele-commuting. But people DO have a problem when you LIE. That is exactly what this guy did. I don't care where you are. But if you say you are this or that, and you are not, then I DO care. Why does he have to lie? Why is he lying? Well, the answer is pretty simple. He is trying to manipulate people. If he is lying about such a little thing, maybe he is lying about all sorts of other things. You just don't know--and that's the point! He lost ALL his CREDIBILITY with that lie. I don't know who this guy is and I don't care about the weather. BUT can *I* be sure that he isn't going to lie and say that a medicine is safe because he took it (when in fact he didn't)? Or when he says that you cannot be charged for speeding less than 10km/h over the speed limit (when in fact he may be wrong)?

      It's just unfortunate that you still give him the credibility that you do. I think it would be better if you became a little more sceptical. No wonder the majority of people fall for politician's lies. If people didn't fall for it, politics would be 100x better.

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

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    5. Re:An Excellent Example by antiMStroll · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nice simplifiction, valid only for cubical drones who communicate to hundreds of thousands daily. If telecommuting isn't an issue why not be up front about it on air? Why dissemble? The story is about deception, not telecommuting.

    6. Re:An Excellent Example by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only if they hit him with the tree branch ;)

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    7. Re:An Excellent Example by cryptor3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only if he's talking to Drew Carey and he has to guess where he is. And then only if he gets a thousand points for doing it.

    8. Re:An Excellent Example by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Informative

      When was the last time Dan Rather traveled to be in a hurricane? He used to do that years ago, but now, he sits at his nice calm anchordesk in NYC, and introduces some kid who's actually in the storm area.

    9. Re:An Excellent Example by alphaseven · · Score: 4, Informative
      So what if Dan Rather, instead of travelling to the middle of a hurricane to report live, just used a blue screen and a wind machine, and had someone off screen throw a tree branch or two at him? Is that ok too?

      Cokie Roberts tried something similar (putting on a coat and reporting in front of a blue sceen of Capitol Hill) years ago and got reprimanded for it. I think she may have made a remark about the weather there too. If she got reprimanded I think the radio reporter should too.

      And funny you should mention Dan Rather, he got in a controversy too for reporting in front of a digitaly altered Times Sqaure, link.

    10. Re:An Excellent Example by -tji · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly.. All we have here is an older guy who got tired of the cold winters in the NorthEast. The station was nice enough, or valued him highly enough, to work with him and allow him to broadcast remotely.

      This is not the same as the other trend of local stations outsourcing their news to same generic centralized national news network.. Eliminating any local/personal perspective and using the radio equivalent of USA Today to save a few bucks.

      The fact that they hide this from their listeners is a bit questionable. But, it's not a big deal. The guy is a long time Bostonian, doing news specifically for Boston.. Do you also insist that he is the guy out investigating the stories on the streets? Is it disingenuous that someone else does the legwork, and the DJ reads the story as if HE figured it all out?

    11. Re:An Excellent Example by Idarubicin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The guy is tele-commuting!, that's about all this story is. For two weeks per month in the winter, and two weeks over the summer, he works from home.

      Yes, I did read the article. Why did his station choose to conceal the fact that he was telecommuting? They could even have made some news out of it, for goodness' sake--their own live newscasts from their man-on-the-scene in Florida. Might add a bit of spice to their otherwise dull and drab weather reports. Heck, he could just have avoided making any comments about being cold. What's wrong with the weather guy just reading the damn weather report, without added inane chatter?

      But no, they chose to hide it, and deliberately misled their audience. Sure, in an absolute sense it's not really a big thing, but where should you draw the line? If he had been claiming to be on location in Baghdad, would it then be okay to be outraged?

      If a radio station, or any other news outlet, wants to be considered trustworthy, then they must avoid even a hint of deception. It's not appropriate for them to mislead their audience as long as they only mislead about things that they think aren't important.

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    12. Re:An Excellent Example by rustycage · · Score: 2, Funny

      That brings up an important question I had. Is the TV weatherman actually hovering horizontally over the continental United States during the forecast or is the weather report just more "Hollywood Magic"? Makes you wonder...

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    13. Re:An Excellent Example by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cokie Roberts tried something similar (putting on a coat and reporting in front of a blue sceen of Capitol Hill) years ago and got reprimanded for it. I think she may have made a remark about the weather there too. If she got reprimanded I think the radio reporter should too.
      The difference here is that Cokie didn't tell the bosses what she was doing in advance, Gary's remote setup was promised to him as a perk in his contract. He agreed to anchor from Florida a few weeks a year instead of insisting on having those weeks completely off.

      And funny you should mention Dan Rather, he got in a controversy too for reporting in front of a digitaly altered Times Sqaure, link.
      That wasn't Dan's decision, that was the network. The situation was the New Year's celebrations between 1999 and 2000, and Dan's anchor position overlooked times square, but had the famous Jumbotron in plain view. The CBS bosses didn't like that... because NBC controls the programming on that screen, and there's a nice big NBC logo on top of that screen. The network was afraid that NBC would have the opportunity to flash whatever message they wanted on that screen during CBS live programming, and they were going to run the risk of accidently promoting NBC programs. Therefore, the digital alteration created an animated CBS News sign that covered up the Jumbotron...

    14. Re:An Excellent Example by gfxguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hi again.

      How exactly did he lie? In other words, what exactly did he say that was false? Like he said, defending himself, he never claimed he was there, he just never said he wasn't.

      Lie by omission? Isn't that a little tenuous?

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    15. Re:An Excellent Example by dacarr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Insightful, but whether he is telecommuting is not relevant in this case. Frankly, if I want to hear somebody complain about how farcking cold it is where they are in Boston, they really should be in Boston.

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  3. nothing new by trmj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Clearchannel has been doing this for years. They even have a hand pick^H^H^H^H counted localized top 10 songs lists with the guy's voice from TRL.

    They call it "enhanced broadcasting technology." I call it decieving people into spending more money on the artificially "popular" music.

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  4. Whether he is technically dishonest or not... by r.jimenezz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...it must not be funny for Boston area residents that listen to him every morning. People tend to develop sort of an emotional linkage with their routine, and a news anchor is definitely part of the daily routine for many. I usually listen to music instead of live radio when I commute, but I know I'd be pissed off if it were me listening.

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  5. what?? by Dreadlord · · Score: 3, Funny

    a /. story with only one link?
    Hasn't hell frozen over yet? :)

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    1. Re:what?? by prockcore · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hasn't hell frozen over yet? :)

      Yes it has. I'm reporting live from hell, and I can tell you that it's might cold out there! Brr!

  6. Radio Contests by stealie72 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The "local" DJs on most small town radio stations are "voice tracking" from bigger cities, but acting like they're broadcasting from downtown.

    So I don't think they'd have any problems decieving you where you local television personality is broadcasting from. And I'm not sure it is a problem. I've lived all over, from Youngstown, OH to Boston to Los Angeles, and it doesn't matter where you are, because the local news always sucks.

    As a side note, CC has gotten into some trouble with consolidated contests on radio, where they make it seem like your local station is giving away a million dollars, when in reality, it's every station they own giving away the million dollars, so when you call in, you're competing with a whole country worth of callers.

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    1. Re:Radio Contests by stealie72 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Whoops, I missed the fact that they were talking about WBZ radio, and not WBZ television. There's two of them.

      Based on that, this isn't even a news story. This was a much bigger deal IIRC a year or so ago when a bunch of rural midwestern stations didn't mention tornados coming through town, because not a one of them had a local broadcast on, and might not have even had a human at the station.

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  7. Well they lie about everything else... by Caeda · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Weapons of Mass destruction? Nada... Step up the warining level every few months? Sure? Biological Attacks warranting duct tape and plastic sales? Nope... Recent bombings and terrorist attacks other than our own government? Still nothing.. With headlines like these, does it really matter if the newsanchors arent where they say they are? Not like anyone was expecting this "honesty" from them to begin with...

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  8. Great family guy moment... by shiafu · · Score: 5, Funny
    Tom Tucker: In other news, an accident caused the Quahog cable television transmitter to be knocked out, which will prevent broadcasting to the entire city. Actually, no can hear this, so it doesn't really matter what I say. I'm the lord Jesus Christ. I think I'm going to get drunk and beat up some hookers. How about you, Diane?

    Diane Simmons: Well, Tom, I just plain don't like black people.

    Director: Uh, guys, we're still on in Boston.

  9. the meat of the article is towards the end by ChipMonk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "When he's talking about how cold it is, that's not news, it's entertainment. It's cosmetic," Harrison added.

    That sounds like a lot of so-called "news organizations." Their #1 purpose is to entertain, lest they lose a large chunk of their audience. Actual news content is secondary.

    "It's no more a lie than putting makeup on a TV anchor to make them look younger. The main thing is that his information does not deceive the public."

    One more step in virtualizing the whole world. How soon can we have virtual war, where nobody dies?

    1. Re:the meat of the article is towards the end by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One more step in virtualizing the whole world. How soon can we have virtual war, where nobody dies?

      Well, if you go with the US media, the Iraqi war is pretty much a virtual war. Sure, you hear about some death here and there but it is all virtual. No one has seen any video of a dead person. No one has seen blood. No one has seen victims without legs, arms, loved ones. No one has seen the soldiers that are crippled for life. It's pretty virtual it seems...

      :(

      Sivaram Velauthapillai

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  10. WBZ 1030's entire weather staff lives in PA... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    WBZ's weather reporters never experience our weather either. Gary is the main anchor, he always gets his weather information from an AccuWeather personality, and AccuWeather is centered in PA.

    There is another major weather-radio service called Weather Services Corp. That's based out of the Boston area, which like AccuWeather provides weather forcasts delivered by personalties who don't ever actually visit the station's studios, but they never use a national-trademark brand, and they will call their studio anything the station wants them too, such as the "Kiss-FM WeatherDesk".

    So, this has actually been going on for decades, it's just that nobody has noticed...

  11. This story is total bullshit by defile · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course he's in Boston during his broadcasts. I saw it on TV.

  12. So what? by Apro+im · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So who, exactly is he harming? He's telecommuting - and he's not claiming to investigate these things. It's not like those journalists who fake stories that happen in places they've never been. He's just reading a weather report off a computer, which every radio news anchor does, anyway - it's not as if he's claiming to be out there with a thermometer. And to say things like "when do we get a break" does not constitute lying - it's not as if he said "I'm here in Boston, reporting on blah-blah-blah".

    I have many issues with ClearChannel, but frankly, this isn't one of them.

  13. At least ... by mistert2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    it is not India....yet.

  14. Does it really matter? by sfbanutt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean really, does it?

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    1. Re:Does it really matter? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I mean really, does it?

      Nope. Gary's rarely in the same room with most of the reporters he talks with on his morning show, the sports reporter works in another room in the same building, the traffic reporter is somewhere accross town, the weatherperson is from AccuWeather in PA, and any field reporters are of course out in the field.

      The content decisions are still being made by editors in Boston... and there's no need to hand pieces of paper to the lead anchor anyway because it's all done on computers anyway. The technology exists to push all of the "data on his desk" to Florida, and for him to send back his voice in high quality...

  15. Not a big deal, but..... by mao+che+minh · · Score: 2
    He is making a very personal connection with his viewers, a connection that is built on deception. I'm sure that he has won his fair share of viewers this way.

    I doubt anyone really cares in the end, but his actions do lack integrity, and he could win points by admitting his wrongs and conducting his broadcasts appropriately. Basically, just stop pretending, because now that the cat is out of the bag, everyone will just think he's a retard when they see him "freezing".

  16. What my Mom Taught me by iCharles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Where he's reporting from is irrelevant. I'm not wasting my airtime to tell people where Gary is."

    I a standard my mom taught me probably would let him know: if you can't admit what you are doing, then you probably aren't doing the right thing.

    In the article they make statements like "location doesn't affect reporting," and "the DJ never actually says he's shivering."

    OK. If you don't think it makes a difference, take two seconds to say "my name is John Deaux, and I'm coming to you from Northern Florida. In Where-ever-you-are, USA, it's a bone-chilling five degrees..." If you are afraid to make that little disclosure, then you are implicitly admitting that it does make a difference.

    Of course, I've been thinking that Clear Channel is evil for a while now, for totally different reasons.

    1. Re:What my Mom Taught me by iCharles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think there are three things.

      First, there has been much concern about media conglomeration. More stations in the hands of fewer people means that fewer views are presented, less choice, more homogenization. Further, if something does become a problem (say, DJ's advocating violence against cyclists), then it is in fewer hands to try to do something about it. So long as it doesn't cause the FCC to investigate, those few hands don't have to. Likewise, the lack of music choice that is often lamented (hey! It's Britney Spears Clone #192!) is part of the problem The practice described in the article is both a symptom of this problem as well as a way for it to be masked.

      Second, I think there is the inherent dishonesty. You're right, on the Great Scale of Things to Worry About, it probably isn't that great (though, on \., I've seen far more trivial matters argued in great detail). However, there is a sense that implying you are "local" when you are in a different timezone just isn't fair.

      Further, creating this "generic" show just strikes me of corporate disrespect. I read another article about this practice, and it describes how one DJ does a dozen morning shows from one control booth. He creates this illusion that he is local with little tweaks.

      I think there is an expectation (mostly through historical means) that the person they listen to on the radio is like them--actually go to the same places, had to deal with the same conditions on the way in, etc. I know when, growing up in southwest Louisiana, you could even hear hints of the areas accent and slang. By making the radio generic, you lose that connection.

    2. Re:What my Mom Taught me by HeghmoH · · Score: 2, Funny

      "My name is John Deaux, and my presentation tonight will be a little forced, because I've been constipated for a week...."

      What makes your version something that must be said and mine something that must not be said? (Of course, you may think that my version is something that should also be said, but I think most listeners/viewers would disagree.)

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  17. Why is this on Slashdot? by Sophrosyne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It must be a slow news day... because this has to be one of the most pointless stories around, whether on slashdot or any other news site.
    --Wow some guy broadcasts a news show from home...big freaking deal- The former prime-minister of Canada had a vacation house in Florida as well, and he managed to "run the country" while he was away.
    Look at the logo: News for Nerds. Stuff that matters.
    Someone enlighten me, why should anyone care?

  18. It comes down to disclosure... by bc90021 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...and how much is enough to be providing accurate information honestly.

    This will happen more and more - the recent financial industry news about dishonesty in companies, mutual funds, is just the beginning. As it becomes easier to do things virtually (ie, they have the capability now to edit live braodcasts, and the capability to replace existing ads with digital ones (see Spider-Man)), guideliness will have to be drawn up to make sure that what people see is actually real. If it's not actually real, people should be informed so that they can make decisions based on actual facts, not supposed ones.

  19. Not quite relevant by mcc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This isn't actually relevant, but it amused me.

    On friday cnn.com was running an article about the upcoming Iowa democratic primary. Attatched to this was a photo, labelled as being Dean supporters busing to Iowa from another state, of four or five people standing on a bus and a big guy asleep in one of the seats with a "DEAN FOR PRESIDENT" t-shirt.

    Also that day, cnn.com was running an article about how republican supporters were busing into the areas of democratic primaries to hold pro-Bush rallies in an attempt to blunt the effect of the media attention the democratic primaries drew. Attatched to this article was a picture labelled as the pro-Bush supporters busing in. The picture was the exact same one as from the other story, but with the guy in the "DEAN FOR PRESIDENT" t-shirt cropped out.

    I found this funny.

    1. Re:Not quite relevant by S.Lemmon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually they both probally hire out from the same "Rent-a-Rally" service.

    2. Re:Not quite relevant by mcc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually they both probally hire out from the same "Rent-a-Rally" service.

      I wonder how long it will be before we have political rallies populated chiefly by virtual "extras" created by digital compositing techniques such as those used to create the armies in the "Lord of the Rings" movies.

      It would certainly be a big win from a convenience standpoint...

    3. Re:Not quite relevant by FleaPlus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh wow. Do you happen to have links to the articles you mentioned? I tried to find them on cnn, but wasn't successful.

    4. Re:Not quite relevant by TCQuad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The closest I could come to what the parent said was an article that matched the second description and a picture which matched the first description at CNN. I'm not sure if the poster was confused, CNN corrected or what happened.

  20. Ronalg Reagan in the Cryptonomicon by axolotl_farmer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is apparently nothing new.In "In the Beginning was the Command Line" by Neal Stephenson is this passage on Ronald Reagan pretending to report live from ballgames in the 30s!

    When Ronald Reagan was a radio announcer, he used to call baseball games by reading the terse descriptions that trickled in over the telegraph wire and were printed out on a paper tape. He would sit there, all by himself in a padded room with a microphone, and the paper tape would eke out of the machine and crawl over the palm of his hand printed with cryptic abbreviations. If the count went to three and two, Reagan would describe the scene as he saw it in his mind's eye: "The brawny left-hander steps out of the batter's box to wipe the sweat from his brow. The umpire steps forward to sweep the dirt from home plate." and so on. When the cryptogram on the paper tape announced a base hit, he would whack the edge of the table with a pencil, creating a little sound effect, and describe the arc of the ball as if he could actually see it. His listeners, many of whom presumably thought that Reagan was actually at the ballpark watching the game, would reconstruct the scene in their minds according to his descriptions.
    1. Re:Ronalg Reagan in the Cryptonomicon by FFFish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The US Adminstration does pretty much the same thing.

      "The villianous Saddam Hussein is stockpiling mountains of weapons of mass destruction. He strides from his palace, his aides cowering in terror. With a stony hatred in his eyes, he points to a small town in north Idaho. 'Kill them all,' he commands. His aides jump to action.

      Meanwhile, in the White House, George Bush is informed of the Evil One's plans. 'Bring it on,' the President states flatly."

      Etcetera. It's the fairy tale everyone in the government loves to tell its adoring public.

      Meanwhile, the frontline boys continue to die.

      Because so many people love to hear the fairy tales, I'm sure to now lose karma.

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  21. The media you don't see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Using the 1992 presidential election as his springboard, documentary filmmaker Brian Springer captures the behind-the-scenes maneuverings of politicians and newscasters in the early 1990s. Pat Robertson banters about "homos," Al Gore learns how to avoid abortion questions, George Bush talks to Larry King about halcyon -- all presuming they're off camera. Composed of 100% unauthorized satellite footage, Spin is a surreal expose of media-constructed reality.

    (588 MB download)
    www.illegal-art.org/video/vcd/Spin_1.mpg

  22. Re:how long? by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Such slips happen all of the time with small-name radio personalities on small market stations. The most common slip-up is when a planned major event gets canceled at the last minute, while the DJ has already locked-in comments about how great the event was. Really messed up when the DJ says how great a concert was when everybody who had tickets knows it didn't happen...

  23. Come on now... by Henry+Stern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aren't there more constructive ways of spending energy than complaining about a guy who is lucky enough to be able to work from his vacation home?

    Yeeesh.

    P.S. What does Clear Channel have to do with this, anyway?

  24. Hey Michael... by liquidsin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just a quick question. Since there is absolutely nothing in the linked article about Clear Channel or anyone else making up news from central studios, would you care to post us a link to THAT story too? It sounds like a good one.

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  25. I can't believe it! This must be stopped! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clear Channel uses *real people* in their broadcasts?!

  26. Facts in journalism by robnauta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's simple, journalists must broadcast verifyable facts and speak the truth. Or else they are columnists and should identify themselves as such.

    I'd recommend everyone to watch the movie Shattered Glass, it's a good thriller about a reporter who gets caught on a minor error and then sees his house of cards he built by going further and further by inserting false facts and bogus stories into the magazine he wrote for, untill his fall. He was eventually fired on the spot. It's based on a true story.

    1. Re:Facts in journalism by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Correct, and if he says "it's 20 below outside the WBZ studios" and it really is, he's telling the truth. One might think that the only way for him to know that exact number is to be at the studios, but they're flat-out wrong... anybody who can download WeatherBug can get the realtime temperature reading from a unit installed outside of the WBZ studios.

      I'd think he was well aware to not use "here in Boston" phrase constructions when he was broadcasting from his house in Florida. Technically, he's almost always wrong when he says "here in Boston" because WBZ's main studios are actually in the community of Allston, MA... and their transmitter is actually in Hull, MA. The station is actually licensed to serve the community of Boston, but a radio station doesn't actually have to be located in it's city of licensed, just close enough so that it covers its city with a "city grade" signal quality.

  27. Re:hard to believe anything by kfg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course this process can also be intentionally manipulated for comedic effect:

    John Cameron Swasey: Laybird, I understand you are a great student of history. Tell me, what were the first words the Indians spoke to the Pilgrims as they landed on our shores.

    Ladybird Johnson: Welcome to the LBJ Ranch!

    That's one's always been one of my favorites.

    Of course in retrospect some of these early comedic manipulations of live interviews can take on a sad irony.

    JCS: Bobby, it's rumored that your brother Ted is going to run for president. How do you feel about that?

    Bobby Kennedy: Well, if he wants to join me where I'm going, I'd be glad to have him along.

    That was pretty funny circa 1965.

    I remember sitting in front of a little B&W television all day watching reporters talk about the assasination attempt and the, ultimately futile, attempts to save Mr. Kennedey's life.

    There were reporters sitting in the studio talking to reporters outside the hospital where the surgery was taking place. I always knew which were which. There was never some guy standing in front of a blue screen in the studio while a picture of the hospital was added behind him to simulate on the spot reporting.

    Maybe I'm just turning into an old fart, but yes, I think that sort of thing is when you start going too far, even if you haven't "lied." It is still an intentional deception.

    Knock it off.

    KFG

  28. Distortion of new is not a crime by ip · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As ghastly as it might seem, this issue has been tested in court. When Akre and Wilson sued Fox in Florida under the Whistleblower act, for altering an rbgd story, after initially winning a $425K judgment, they lost an appeal because the Whistleblower Act only protects people resisting employer crime, and it was deemed that distorting the news, and falsifying news stories is not a crime.
    It seems to me that pretending to be local is a far lesser offense.

    http://www.organicconsumers.org/rbgh/moreakrestu ff .cfm

    http://www.foxbghsuit.com/release022803.htm

    Cheers,
    --Stewart

  29. Tour of the station by mrpuffypants · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few years back I took a tour of KDGE here in dallas. The Edge is probably one of the biggest stations in the DFW metroplex, and there are a few other stations based out of the same offices.

    Well, as we went into the booth for the 'oldies' station the DJ started talking to us and mentioned that he was recording the morning show for Phoenix that would air tomorrow. He also said that he was the voice for something like 6 other stations, just with different names, personas, etc.

    Also, back in my small hometown the local Clear Channel station ditched the local morning guys and decided to go with some syndicated bullshit that is generic for ANY market; Think of them saying "Man, it sure is cold!" "Hell yeah!" and of course all of the call-in stuff is BS to the extreme. Call the number, give the `DJ` your request and it may be considered by the CC people if its requested in enough numbers.

    You know what's a lot more satisfying? What lets you listen to the song a bunch of times, even on your iPod? Fucking KaZaa. Download music. Why would you request something then wait 4 hours for it to come on the radio?

  30. Clear Channel music isn't centralized by kitzilla · · Score: 3, Informative
    Local Clear Channel stations make their own music decisions. We all share our local research, but the company NEVER dictates which songs we play. Period.

    Those who say differently are lying, guessing, or wishing.

    Other companies have their own policies. But that's how we do it at CC.

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    1. Re:Clear Channel music isn't centralized by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Local Clear Channel stations make their own music decisions. We all share our local research, but the company NEVER dictates which songs we play. Period.

      Yep. People are all up in arms about the DJs being from out of town, but DJs have had little to no say in what songs get played for years. The computer generates a playlist, with maybe a few holes for requests or DJ selections... any deviations from the computer-asigned schedule are logged and subject to review by the PD after it happens, override the schedule the wrong way and the PD will want to have a talk with the DJ...

    2. Re:Clear Channel music isn't centralized by Monx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      the company NEVER dictates which songs we play. Period.

      What about the refusal to play "Imagine" for a while after 9/11? Or the ban on playing the Dixie Chicks.

    3. Re:Clear Channel music isn't centralized by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Clear Channel never put out a "Banned Songs List" from corperate. What sparked that rumor was the fact that local PDs started contributing song names on a "Songs that it would be a bad idea to play right now..." thread that formed on their intranet message boards. That thread circulated as PDs were rushing to reprogram their computers to avoid playing songs that would either be too depressing or had gained a second meaning because of 9/11. A parellel list of songs that were better to play also got spread arround, and some instant-hits such as a remix of Enya's Only Time with news quotes inserted got created and spread as a result.

      There wasn't any order from corperate as much as there was an online groupthink session among the people who had all been tasked with the same responsiblity.

      The "ban" on playing the Dixie Chicks was requested by their own fans. See, they lost a lot of fans when their lead singer made a dumb comment in Europe that got reported stateside. Requests and album sales plumeted immedately, and as a result of those drops, they started falling off of radio playlists. You can't be on a Top 40 station if there are 40 songs more popular than you...

    4. Re:Clear Channel music isn't centralized by kitzilla · · Score: 4, Informative
      You are referring to an informal, non-binding, and rather oddball list circulated by a few CC programmers shortly after 9-11. It had no weight at all, was not issued by the company, and was rather ignored by virtually all CC PDs (including me).

      In any case, al lot of folks sort of lost their minds after 9-11. I don't fault the PDs who made up the list. They were really trying their best no to rub salt into listeners' wounds.

      As for the Dixie Chicks, Clear Channel NEVER banned them as a company. Many stations pulled their records after getting hundreds or thousands of listener complains. My stations chose to keep playing them, but we've backed off in recent months. The music research comes back looking horrible. But that's the decision of our listeners, not Clear Channel.

      I can think of at least one radio company which *did* officially ban the Chicks: Cumulus Media. Go picket THEM.

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    5. Re:Clear Channel music isn't centralized by Jayfar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...and before computers, many stations did literally use a categorized box of file cards. One adult contemporary station I worked at in the late 70s, had 8 numbered categories. 1s were the top 10 or so current hits. 2s were either upcoming or downsliding current songs. 3s we called recurrents and were mostly hits of the past several months. 4 were album tracks, IIRC. 5s were slightly hippish album tracks (eg. Dire Straits, John Handy "Hard Work"). 6s and 7s were oldies. 8s were older oldies (from 50s & 60s). Depending on daypart we had different repeating sequences of these #s we followed in selecting file cards during our shifts. My evening shift, IIRC, was 62716346271635(repeat). Morning shifts would play less new stuff, the theory being to ease people in to their day with comfortably familiar tunes.

      As we played each song we made a notation on a grid on the card of the date and time played. With the older songs particularly, you avoided playing the same song in the same hour of successive days. Pre-disco era there were a couple other rules that were common to most mainstream formats - you never played 2 female vocals in a row and you never played 2 records by black artists in a row (the cards for which had an "R" notation in the upper right corner, to make sure you knew). Yes, that was racist and wrong, but that's the way it was.

      Anyone who hasn't worked in the industry probably has no idea how much thought and phychology goes into determining how radio formats work. Of course some of the theory behind some formats was arguably bogus, such as Lee Abrams "Superstars" consultancy (music in a particular key appealed to particular psychographic groups for instance). Superstars and Lee Abrams, then of Burkhart/Abrams, were largely resposible for the homogenization of album rock, beginning in the late 70s.

    6. Re:Clear Channel music isn't centralized by kitzilla · · Score: 2, Interesting
      In Miami, Florida, the three or four Clear Channel stations worked together to prevent the playing of some songs -- going so far as to deny listener requests.

      Very few stations play listener requests at any time. Radio figured out a long time ago that only about 1% of our listeners call the studio, and their tastes and listening patterns are not usually representative of the total audience. Unless you're a teeny-bopper, be glad 14-year-olds aren't deciding what you hear on the radio.

      We do, of course, take note of what people are calling for. But we generally defer to more scientific methods of determining the tastes of our target audience: call-out research, auditorium testing, and record sales data.

      I happen to know the Rock programmer in Miami. He's a smart guy -- hardly the sort of person to make knee-jerk decisions. In any case, it sounds as if you had local programmers attempting to tailor their stations to the community. Dunno if they made the right call, but it's not a case of sinister corporate censorship.

      As an aside, I *did* drop one song on our Classic Rock station. We held Steve Miller's "Jet Airliner" for several months after 9-11. Nobody complained. I'm with you on the appropriateness of Lennon's "Imagine."

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  31. Re:News For Nerds???!!! by randyest · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, I don't find this particularly compelling either, but it is sort of interesting. It's about how media companies can use technology (affordable studios in the homes of remote "journalists" and newsreaders) to (arguably) mislead listeners and viewers.

    Used to be that you actually had to be in the studio, or you'd have to phone in a report, which would sound distinctly different (read: crappy) than the in-studio hosts, so they'd pretty much fess up that this was a remote phone-in update right away. Now they can have anyone anywhere with very low lag and almost identical quality.

    So, obviously, the fun for the discussion is to think about and discuss (1) what ways this is happening that we don't really know about, (2) what possible future advances will allow, and (3) where we draw the line between "using technology to give better reporting" and "utter fraud". It's interesting in that sense, at least to me.

    For example, if they start using really advanced blue-screen technology and CGI to replace the typical reporter-outside-during-the-hurricane with a fake version of one dry and safe in the studio, but it looks perfectly realistic, and he says "I'm standing out at the pier now Bill, and I tell you the winds and rain are out of control . . . . just amazing!", etc. is it OK? Technically, if they have a screen behind him showing the raw footage they'll morph him into later in post-production, they're technically not lying. But to me, they are lying "technically" when they go that far. It's wrong, but I'm not sure how to stop it (other than people turning the channel), and I definitely don't want too much gummint regulation going on here. So, see, as a seed for thought (if you've got fertile ground ready -- perhaps not) this is pretty decent fodder on a slow news day.

    But in this case, no one actually said the guy was freezing his ass off in Boston, but the quotes I read definitely implied that. And, while it doesn't really invalidate his comments (yes, it is cold here), or really hurt anyone, it is slimy. On the other hand, do they have to come out and say where everyone is reporting from? (Seems like they used to, almost as an issue of pride -- "look at how many remotes we can affort to cull from for you!"). Look, there's another interesting line of thought, to some.

    The other interseting point (again, to me) is about "local" newscasts and such being post-processed national versions with local references edited in, such as "We'll be out at the mall today giving out T-shirts" is edited to insert town names and custom copies are distributed nationwide to dozens of "local" stations that actually have no local anything other than a transmitter run by computers. I think that's slimy too, but I can also see how it makes good business sense (highly cost-effective) . . . unless people actually backlash because of the sliminess.

    So, I guess, besides those points for discussion, what I'm saying is STFU and stop threadcrapping. If you don't like it don't read it. And definitely don't post about it -- no one wants your complaints, just your insight and interesting discussion, which you are clearly lacking in this case.

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  32. It's Already Crossed the Line by Kurt+Wall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's deceptive when a report pretends to be local but isn't. ClearChannel aren't the only media company that does this, of course, nor is radio the only medium that does this. Ever wonder how three nightly news reports on three different channels manage to have precisely the same background image for a "live" report from [insert news hotspot here]?

  33. He just left out a few details ... by danwiz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    He just left out a few details ...

    "Would you believe it's 5 below zero right now, back in Boston?"
    "The only thing worse than the actual temperature where you are right now is having the wind chill factored in."
    "It doesn't get any worse than this, when do we get a break from temperatures in the low 60's?"

    Happens all the time in politics -
    "I did not have sex with Ms Lewinsky, if we're not counting that oral stuff."
    "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most conventional lethal weapons ever devised."

    With apologies to Mr. Cronkite -
    And that's the way it is - according to news feeds, the internet, and my web cam.

  34. The press is not expected to mislead by GuyMannDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an excellent example of how easy it is to dupe the public into believing something that is not entirely factual. It also drives home the importance of our taking what we hear on radio/TV and what we read in the newspapers with a very big grain of salt.

    I think what irritates people such much about this is that this time it was the PRESS in a BLATANT attempt at disception. People like to believe that even though commericals are filled with lies and deceipt and politicans' televised speeches are full of fabrications that somehow the press is above all this and has a responsiblity to be as open and honest with their audience as possible. Now, you and I and most slashdotters know better. But the average person really trusts the media to keep them informed. Sure, this is a relatively small breech of trust. "Who cares?" you might be tempted to ask. And, yes, the actual location of some TV personality doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. However, the very idea that this station is involved in deception and, when caught, claim there is nothing wrong with what they are doing is what upsets people so much.

    GMD

  35. Capitalism & the Media by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since nearly all media are controlled by private entities under capitalism, and since my theory is that free markets will result in oligopolies and monopolies, I think it is fair to say that this is just the start of the takeover of "news" by corporations. If you ever thought the media was responsible for the truth, you are sadly mistaken. The media has never had anything to do with the truth. In the past, the government controlled media* was nothing more than a propaganda outlet for the--you guessed it--government.

    Nowadays, the media is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the corporations. Don't get me wrong. The government still has massive influence. One just needs to look at how the US government has manipulated television, movie studios, or print media since 9/11. At least 40% of what came out of US media in the last 2 years have been disinformation. Anyone wonder why the majority of Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was an Al-Qaida member? Ever wonder why no one bothers to find out WHO cooked up the fake documents relating to plutonium in Niger? And best of all, ever wonder what happened to the Anthrax Assasin? Yes folks, the Anthrax Assasin, who incidentally killed more innocent Americans than Saddam Hussein, has dissapeared. And it does not stop with USA. I mean, just pick your favourite country and see how the media manipulates information. One needs to look no further than France and how the French government is manipulating the recent ban on religious ornaments as passing it off as liberalism. Clearly, this has nothing to do with liberalism. After all, liberalism is consistent with multiculturalism and banning things takes society even further away. Yet the French government is claiming it is the liberals who wanted it (this is kind of interesting given that Jacques Chirac is a right winger (Gaullist I think)). Of course, if you want the ultimate book on how the people's opinions are shaped, you can check out the highly acclaimed Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky. Or you can check out some books by Nazis (they were the ultimate propagandists).

    Now, my comment is about capitalism. There have been countless stories that were not aired, or countless people who were fired, for simply telling the truth that had a potential to damage their parent corporations. Next time you watch NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, or National Geographic, and notice how it never criticizes G.E., you know why. This is just a tame example (clearly organizations like Fox News and Washington Post are more propagandist). You don't need me to tell you that. Just look around and you'll see. Something like 11 companies control 90% of all media in USA. For the smaller countries, it's even worse (2 or 3 companies control 95% of the media).

    It doesn't get any better. People in "liberal" societies think that their news is diverse and comes from many sources. Oh, how mistaken they are. The vast majority of news (probably 80%+) comes from two sources (in North America): Reuters and Associated Press. Sure, there are hundreads of newspapers. Flip through them and you'll see that most news comes from AP and Reuters. Needless to say, AP and Reuters are for-profit entities who only care about making money.

    All of this will just get worse and worse. The only thing keeping some of these media companies from merging with each other creating even larger multinational corporations are anti-trust laws and nationalistic laws (eg. laws preventing foreign ownership). Once those legislation are weakened (capitalism calls for the elimination of them), the final stage will be complete. Rest assured. Unless you lead a high-risk lifestyle, it will likely happen within your lifetime.

    Welcome to the future world... where all news comes from the Associated World News Network (with its 'your only news source' slogan) versus FuX News Network (with its sloga

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    Sivaram Velauthapillai
    Seeking the meaning of life... @slashdot of all places ;)
    1. Re:Capitalism & the Media by MemoryAid · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I think you are missing the distributed reporting that is happening on the internet right now, with Slashdot as an example. While many so-called news stories are repeated over and over by the mass media, they can easily be lumped together and weighted appropraitely by modern technology.

      Google news is a prime example of this. It is easy to find a story, and the mass media stories are lumped on the front page. A 'more like this' link allows you to view multitudinous other reports on the subject. Most of those are exactly the same, spread by the wire services and posted to myriad web pages. However, this makes the ones that are different stand out precisely because they are different. In fact, it is often striking the difference between western reports and those from Al Jazeera or other non-western source.

      On the other hand, this really only applies to the internet right now. Television and radio are still controlled by the corporations you mention. Newspapers are a mixed bag. Some are huge corporate entities, but there are also many neighborhood papers that mainly discuss evening entertainment. I think some of them have room for actual news, but they aren't frequent enough to be useful as a news source. Newspapers are, in general, too slow to be responsive to people's news needs, when stories can break on television immediately (such as the 9/11 attacks).

      This story of the news anchor reporting from his home in Florida seems to point more toward the distribution of the media than the consolidation of it. That is, if studio equipment is cheap enough that it can now be installed in someone's home, how far away can we be from the common man putting together his own news outlet for local stories or commentary on international issues. Distribution is the biggest problem, but moving data gets easier every day. I have tuned into some pretty outlandish political internet radio stations that are not at all in tune with the prevailing groupthink (not mainstream media by any means), so how far behind is streaming video? The only problem with the media today is that it is so damn easy to get news while sitting on one's couch with remote in hand. So, for now, television rules. Technology is about making things easier, though. Some day, many different news sources will all be easy to see. First hand web-cam footage of newsworthy events will probably be among the choices. What happens when a tourist can film a significant event with a digital camcorder and use a mobile phone to put the footage on the internet for all to see? It won't happen tomorrow, but probably will within my lifetime.

      One of the pitfalls of predicting the future is to extrapolate current trends without end. Often, that makes for good science fiction, but in reality, trends taper off and counter trends take over. There was a book written (about this) in the early 80's called The Third Wave by Alvin Toffler. Many of the references are dated, but the parts about 'electronic cottages' allowing workers to work from anywhere is pretty interesting. The Amazon reviews are probably a better analysis than I can give. Anyway, major point to take away: Trends don't continue as far as we might think.

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  36. *cough* "baa..." *cough* by janbjurstrom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Meta-territory here, but was there a vote on bleating-acceptance I missed, or...? Didn't Nirvana's "here we are now, entertain us" attitude end a decade ago?

    Part of the problem could stem from casting oneself as "the audience". An audience passively consumes what it is served. I don't know, but shouldn't (being part of creating what is) Slashdot, be ..you know, the opposite of wanting to be spoonfed?

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    1. Re:*cough* "baa..." *cough* by Tim+C · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An audience passively consumes what it is served.

      So tell me, how much input do you get on which articles get posted and which rejected?

      We passively consume the articles, occasionally getting our suggestions accepted. But the real active part only comes *after* the article is posted, and we get to discuss it. Even if the vast majority of us agreed that an article was crap, and should never have been posted, we couldn't change it one iota.

    2. Re:*cough* "baa..." *cough* by janbjurstrom · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Good point. I agree with the first part. Much could be done with the submission/selection/creation side of /. (precisely what I don't know, maybe something akin to the ingenious ideas and implementation of these collaborative discussion tools(?)).

      But even today, I believe it is working quite well. As you say, the weak "articles" are quickly scrutinized, the initial slants, etc. are - if substandard/false - discarded, and the discussions yield insights, perspectives and opinions no one could foresee. (Unfortunately, a lot of very good stuff is offtopic, and sometimes get modded thusly.).
      But the real active part only comes *after* the article is posted, and we get to discuss it.
      What I think I'm saying, is that I believe the *after* part of the "Slashdot experience" is what matters. The Slashdot "articles" aren't so much articles (at least not to me), as 'sparkplugs'; facilities to get us talking - about whatever matters (increasingly offtopic if we choose, like this thread :) ). Speed, volume, and continuity; a steady stream of lots of new (yes, dupe-clusters are annoying) stuff to delve into, I firmly believe is more important than getting the facts 100% correct. Or getting a totally unbiased (which I don't even think is possible..) starting point for our discussions.

      As the original "article" examplifies, not even the *real* journos get it right, they just think they do. The important and best part about Slashdot (when it's working), is that all the smart people here collectively dig out what (if any) knowledge, humor, dilemmas, etc., any original topic (or whatever's remotely related) contains.

      To me, the "articles" are like the awkward opening phrases you resort to when meeting people. Necessary, but mostly to quickly break the ice and learn something interesting. Cheers.
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  37. Of COURSE this is wrong by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Forgot all the angels on pins arguments, all the quibbling about telecommuting and whether or not everybody is doing it. Forget ALL that. Cut to the chase.

    Both the anchor and the radio station don't want the audience to know. Therefore they know they are being deceptive and that it is wrong.

  38. try looking the definition a lie up by painehope · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I don't think it's being disingenuous," he said. "I'm not lying to anybody."

    The definition of a lie . Merriam-Webster has a more detailed definition, but no direct links.

    So yes, jackass, you are lying to your listeners. That's all it boils down to.

    Of course, some people ( of which I am one ) would argue that almost all media has been lying to us for quite some time.

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  39. Outsourcing by phr1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know why but that article made me chuckle "heh, Boston outsources its news/weather reporting to Florida". It's reminds me of how Indian phone center workers are sometimes trained in different regional US accents to create the illusion that they're local to the US customer.

  40. Same with traffic reports by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many media conglomerates do the same thing with traffic reports. Here in Memphis, one company handles traffic for all of the CBS/Viacom/Infinity radio stations, and even has a live TV studio set up in their building so they can give traffic reports to the NBC TV station.

    No, I don't understand why NBC and CBS are working together in this regard, there's something weird going on. The contact info for one local radio station gives @cbs.com email addresses, but check the postal address, 1960 Union Ave. They broadcast from the same building as the local NBC affiliate.

    The ClearChannel stations have their own competing alternative called the Total Traffic Network. All of the CC stations have the same guy/gal reporting the traffic each day.

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  41. Re:Outsourcing by evilviper · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's reminds me of how Indian phone center workers are sometimes trained in different regional US accents to create the illusion that they're local to the US customer.

    That's nothing... It's the naming thing that gets to me. Just a few weeks ago I was talking to a phone-support person with a deep, scratchy voice. The name given was (no joke) "Emily".

    What was just as funny, was hearing "Emily" freeze for about 15 seconds when I asked for her to spell it. :-)
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  42. Same with Fox Sports Northwest? by noncontributor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back when I had cable here in Seattle, I would watch Mariners games on Fox Sports Northwest. For the postgame, these two (rather annoying) sportscasters (can't remember the names, it was a couple years ago) would come on, either ecstatic that the Mariners had won, or disappointed that they had lost. So, I go visit the inlaws' in Detroit, catch a Tigers game on Fox Sports (whatever it is in Detroit), and for the postgame, it's the same two guys, and these same two sportscasters are bummed out by the Tigers' poor showing (go figure)! So, what gives? I'm now picturing a couple guys sitting in a studio down in LA, doing sports for all of the various "local" sports programs across the country. I guess this is an efficient way of doing sports broadcasting, but it seems dishonest and unethical. Can anyone verify that my suspicions are true, or is it possible that these two guys got demoted to covering Detroit sports?

  43. As a side-note... by ziggy_zero · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sage Francis and the Non-Prophets are going on a Fuck Clear Channel tour this year, so if you want to stick it to the man and listen to some damn good music at the same time, I highly suggest you hit it up.

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  44. Re:mod parent up, please. by mingot · · Score: 2, Informative

    The best part of this is how much money goes back to the tabacco farmers to subsidize them for the money they're losing from the people quitting smoking based on the publicity of the lawsuits negatively affecting cig sales.

    Basically, the money goes in a big circle with lawyers peeling off most of it as it goes around.

  45. story queue moderation by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I asked Slashdot about a user (subscriber?) moderated story submissions queue, their reply (thanks!) was that such participation causes "social problems". They're experts, but I'd like to see a way to experiment with that social dynamic, so we can solve the social problems, instead of avoiding them. Sure, we could hack user moderation into the Slashcode story submission queue, and launch "OpenSlashdot (TM)", but without the large experienced community, the experiment won't work so well. Meanwhile, many story submissions disappear into an unaccountable black hole, while many other reposts appear weekly.

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  46. Went through something similar not long ago by Platinum+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I do a news-commentary-wild half-baked rant show on a community station in Toronto twice a week. A few months ago, the station's transmitter burned out on a Sunday night. My first show is early Monday morning.

    Upon arriving at the control room, I found a note on the console informing the next hosts that the station had been silent since at least 9:30 pm the previous night. Naturally, the paid staff generally don't work on the weekend, especially on a Sunday evening, so no one actually called the Monday morning hosts, myself included. Since I wasn't sure if we were broadcasting again[0], I went through with the show I planned anyway, even after a couple people called wondering where the hell the signal was. I did this, despite the probability that no one could listen, because there was no way for me to be sure that we had no audience at all. A prof with decades of experience in radio taught us to never say anything near a mic that we would not want anyone to hear on-air[1] [2], and I've taken this to heart.

    ObOnTopicComment: Not only am I straight about where I'm broadcasting from, I'm quite open about the editorial slant that will be broadcast[3] and encourage the listeners to confirm what I spew with other, probably more reputable sources.

    [0] The low-power backup came online before the next show, and we finally got back to full power a couple weeks later once repairs were completed.

    [1] And provided some graphic examples of what happens when on-air people don't watch their mouths.

    [2] I've made this mistake a couple times, once with the mic on. Nothing major or offensive, just dumb. Still, I learned my lesson.

    [3] "Libertarian socialist", if it matters. I figure it's better to be open about my political views and admit I'm as biased as the next person, than to claim objectivity and get called on it when my personal bias creeps in anyway. I don't fudge the facts, and I correct my mistakes on-air. I'm not a journalist, but I know better than to fake things I can be called on, which apparently this station did not.

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  47. Talking heads. by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The quality of the news being broadcast is in no way being impaired because he's not gathering it. He's a presenter.

    They have a point. They're called "news readers" in the UK, and "radio personalities" in the US.. Talking heads. They're not journalists.

    That whole job can be automated anyway. Check out Ananova. A few more years of improvement, and we'll be able to ditch most TV celebrities.

  48. Bin Laden != freedom fighter by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "What kind of problems has kuro5hin encountered with their user moderated story queue?"

    Well, kuro5hin did run a story calling Bin Laden a (misunderstood) "freedom fighter" and his war against the US a "strategic move".

    If that's the kind of stories user moderation results in then I'd say user moderation sucks.

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    1. Re:Bin Laden != freedom fighter by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm a New Yorker, and I'd flay bin Laden alive if I had the chance. That deluded story posted to kuro5hin would give me a chance to say so to the poster, as well as other commentors. As well as a chance to distinguish my personal interest from a proper US government policy and strategy for fighting terrorism. If it had been suppressed, that chance would have been lost. So posting it doesn't seem to be a problem, unless the system had been somehow gamed to post it contrary to the expressed decisions of the moderators. Or unless actual reality is subservient to expressions on websites, justifying supression of expression to control real events.

      You might say that the k5 moderators suck, in which case you could participate and influence to change things for the better. Controversy is not a social problem, unless it's an unmanageable din, or freedom of expression is constrained. What actual "social problems" have k5 people experienced?

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    2. Re:Bin Laden != freedom fighter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Freedom of speech implies allowing other people's opinions to be heard and debated, no matter how distasteful they may be to you.

      There are probably a (large-ish?) number of people in the (Arab) world who feel like this; if you want to change that, one important thing is to *understand the way they think*. That doesn't mean that you agree with it, of course.

      (Also, I note that the story was written in June 2001 -- ObL wasn't really "Public Enemy #1" then. I wonder if that story would have been voted up six months later?)

  49. An Excellent Example of this happening by paragon_au · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So what if Dan Rather, instead of traveling to the middle of a hurricane to report live, just used a blue screen and a wind machine, and had someone off screen throw a tree branch or two at him? Is that ok too?

    This happened in Australia just recently to do with the Iraq war. A current affairs reporter claimed to be in Iraq, and was saying shit such as "Look us anywhere we want. We are in a truck which could be filled with weapons and no one has stopped us." I also heard (didn't see all of it) that he claimed they were being fired at by Iraqi's.
    It was later exposed he had just been going thru the Australian outback, and the few shots that looked like they were from Iraq, were. But they weren't shot by him, they were added in later from other news broadcasts.

  50. As a newsman I can say this... by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 2, Interesting


    They're idiots.

    Anyone who wants to cover local news from a distance is insane. There are major setbacks to doing it, but living in the environment and seeing what is going on with your own eyes is ESSENTIAL.

    This will all soon sort itself out.
    No one will listen to local news set far away when they have local news from real locals sitting right next to them on the dial. It is only a matter of time before the people will realize this when they say something wrong on the air repeatedly, and then the other guys will be at the big event news when it happens across the street. The public just assumes that you are local when covering local news. The public will notice this soon enough, and when it does, they will lose market share that will not make up for the cost losses.

    This is a new thing. I predict it will not be a very long thing. It will be over in a year and a half when the corporate nimrods bong-rip ideas like "we could do local news cheaper across the country!" die a horrible, horrible death.

    News is exteremely competitive. They just replaced their personal insight with a phone call. This is NOT a smart move.