Posted by
timothy
on from the on-again-off-again-baker's-man dept.
Zed writes "Showing a distancing of itself from Microsoft, Dell now offers businesses a chance to purchase computers without a Windows operating system. The N-Series computers start at $319 from Dell's website and ship with a FreeDOS CD in the box."
"Nature doesn't care how smart you are. You can still be wrong." - Richard Feynman
Re:Is this new?
by
SubTexel
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· Score: 5, Informative
Nope, you are right. They have been doing this for quite some time, they also offer Linux as an alternative as well.
Re:Is this new?
by
frdmfghtr
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· Score: 5, Informative
Yep, back in 2002...
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1534
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IMO, This is great
by
HappyCitizen
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Its good to see at least one PC Retailer distancing itself from Microsoft. I thought that I read somewhere that Microsoft will not allow you to distrubute windows if you distrubute another non-microsoft OS as an option. Maybe it was just Linux. That connects with my second question: Why FreeDos Opposed to Linux? If its because of some MS rules, then I understand. If not, they should include more options.
Eather way, they are allowing an OSS OS to be bundled. GOOD LUCK TO DELL!
Re:IMO, This is great
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Pharmboy
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Someone give him a point for the good, relevent article. One quote did bother me tho...
N-series PCs will cost the same as PCs that ship with Windows, a Dell representative said.
Which means they are technically charging you MORE for the computer, since they do not incur the cost of the Microsoft license. Or you can look at is as: "We charge you the same for FreeDOS as we do for Windows", which is kinda expensive for FreeDOS (I have installed it, its a mediocre DOS 3.3 clone by their own admission).
This does mean bigger profits for Dell, but it doesn't represent a better value for customers.
-- Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
Re:Is this new?
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jlevitsk
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I thought so too. I just bought one of these. Came in 5 days from when I ordered it too. Very spiffy and then I threw Debian on it.
Inquiring minds want to know
by
The-Bus
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· Score: 5, Funny
Do they at least still ship with the spyware? If there aren't 78 desktop shortcuts pre-installed, it's not a Dell!
I know this isn't exactly new info, but if you look at freedos.org you will see that they have a news post about it. It has been available for a while now, but only in Canada. The news is that it is for US also now.
FreeDos is a cool project. You should check it out if you haven't yet.
A wake up call for Microsoft?
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bc90021
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Since Dell has half the market cap of IBM. which makes it a sizable company in its own right, Microsoft (granted, which still has a larger market cap than both combined) should realise that two of the biggest computer makers are trying to distance themselves. If they weren't already afraid of the free movement (whether it be Linux or FreeDOS!) they should be paying a lot more attention very soon!
Element Computer
by
Deraj+DeZine
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They're not exactly Dell (referring to the size, not the quality), but Element Computer has a strict no-Microsoft policy to avoid paying expensive licensing fees to Microsoft. All the computers they sell run Lycoris Desktop/LX (a Linux distribution). They've got some pretty nice computers for the price... now if only I wasn't so cheap...
I think they are trying to avoid parts of their OEM agreement with Microsoft that bars them from shipping PCs without and OS, and FreeDOS is more neutral than picking a linux distro to ship with it.
Why not Linux
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Morosoph
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Why FreeDos Opposed to Linux?
Simple. Every linux distibution is readily available, and attracts zealots. Why offend them thorugh favouritism?
Re:Why not Linux
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Anonymous Coward
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I think the answer may be even simpler than that.
In one word, "Support"
It's a lot easier (i.e. cheaper) to support FreeDOS than linux. You are still free to wipe the drive and install your OS of choice....I'm pretty sure that's what they expect you to do anyway....but this way, Dell doesn't get stuck supporting anything more complicated than FreeDOS on it's low end PC's.
More precisely
by
ScottSpeaks!
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According to their news entries, this is new for US customers, but it's been available to Canadians for a while.
When Dell stops this, and...
by
Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Informative
When Dell stops this bullshit, and offers a windows delete credit across their entire product line (without invalidating warranties), then you will finally know that you aren't paying a full microsoft tax when you order a computer with Linux or some other operating system.
Re:Yes but...
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InodoroPereyra
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Yes but what can you honestly do with FreeDOS?
Not much, but it doesn't really matter. Dell is sending a message to Redmond, wait a couple weeks until they get a new deal with M$... everyone is doing this very same little trick these days, and I guess freedos is easier to support than linux for Dell while the negotiations take place...
What kind of home user uses a command line only OS?
Now THAT is a stupid question to ask on slashdot.
-- symetrix. We are building a religion, a limited edition.
Avoids double dipping
by
etymxris
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I believe the point has been mentioned before in similar threads, but it bears repeating here.
Many businesses already have licenses for all the software that they run--either a seat for every user or a site-wide license. For such businesses, a PC that comes with Windows is just wasted money. It would make sense to try to wrestle a discount from Microsoft when such a situation occurs, but monopolies are not often sympathetic to such things.
Re:Is this new?
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Chuck+Bucket
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I just found out about this a few weeks ago, it changed my plans of rebuilding my current box; for 319$ (or a little more) I can have a ~2.6Gig box with those nice/quiet Dell cases. The fact that I don't have to buy MS on it turned me around, it'll be our new main workstation running Gentoo Linux.
Next I'll think about replacing my server! At ~300$ I can't afford not to upgrade!
Re:FreeDOS
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Howard+Roark
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You install Linux on it.
If you read the fine print carefully, you will discover that the N series systems actually ship with no operating system installed. They include a FreeDOS media kit in the box. This way you don't have to pay any Microsoft tax on the machine. I suppose you could use the FreeDOS to test the machine before you installed the Linux distro of your choice,
--
Howard Roark, Architect
I believe in a Man's right to exist for his own sake.
Because they're really shipping it with no OS.
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AzrealAO
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It's intended for Businesses who have a volume licence agreement for x number of Windows Installs. This let's them buy new workstations without having to pay for a Windows Licence they already have.
pool on when Darl McBride claims FreeDOS IP...
by
vnv
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· Score: 5, Funny
I would expect Darl will be on the scene shortly, perhaps within a week, claiming that FreeDOS is also owned by SCO.
I will enter my official guess as February 2, "Groundhog Day". If Darl appears and claims more IP, then six more weeks of IP winter will be upon us.
Re:FreeWindows?
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bhtooefr
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ReactOS (formerly FreeWin95, a project to create a Windows 95 clone) is a project to create a Windows 2000 clone. It's at version 0.2 (just a couple of days ago, and I thought they hadn't made it to 0.1.6 yet). It'll have Wine in there to actually get decent Win32 support. BTW, the rosapps all run great on Win2K/XP, but they sucked ass on 0.1.1 when I tried it, which is good, seeing that they're coding against Win2K, and not ROS.
If there's no MS tax, why so pricey?
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thedbp
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Re:Is this new?
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JPriest
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And were are not without/. saying Dell is trying to "distancing of itself from Microsoft". Myabe Dell is only one small step away from throwing down the windows flag and offering only Linux as an option? No, I don't think that is it. I think someone is just spouting off at the mouth. Zealots are blinded by the way they want things to be, not the way things are.
-- Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
Re:Is this new?
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flyfishin
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Not according to the FreeDos site.
"Update: (16 Jan 2004) This may look like a repeat, but it's not. Before, FreeDOS on Dell wasn't available to US customers - it was Canadian customers only."
Re:Is this new?
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scott_davey
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We just got in some multi-million dollar SANS from HP and they threw in a bunch of dual Xeon 3.2 GHz w/HT, 2GB, 136GB U320 Raid 5 Linux servers. HP has Open Source drivers for the Gig cards and even drivers/software for thier HP Lights Out management app for the Linux servers. With Dell you don't get any of that.
Actually, last year we bought a bunch of Dell PowerEdge 2650s with RedHat 9 (and then had to purchase RHEL only six months later because of that end of life bullshit...but that's another story).
Anyway, Dell has a really good installer that asks a couple of questions, then installs RedHat with all the right options for the hardware, including Dell's drivers for their gigabit ethernet card and RAID 5 config. It even included a custom hardware PNP lookup file with identifiers for all the components in the server that aren't in the standard distro.
Dell also have their management interface for linux, which does everything the windows version does.
I was quite impressed with Dell (Not so much with RedHat over that end of life thing)
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Because 8 bits are better than none?
"Nature doesn't care how smart you are. You can still be wrong." - Richard Feynman
Nope, you are right. They have been doing this for quite some time, they also offer Linux as an alternative as well.
Yep, back in 2002...
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1534
Government's idea of a balanced budget: take money from the right pocket to balance...oh who am I kidding?
Its good to see at least one PC Retailer distancing itself from Microsoft. I thought that I read somewhere that Microsoft will not allow you to distrubute windows if you distrubute another non-microsoft OS as an option. Maybe it was just Linux. That connects with my second question:
Why FreeDos Opposed to Linux?
If its because of some MS rules, then I understand. If not, they should include more options.
Eather way, they are allowing an OSS OS to be bundled. GOOD LUCK TO DELL!
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I thought so too. I just bought one of these. Came in 5 days from when I ordered it too. Very spiffy and then I threw Debian on it.
Do they at least still ship with the spyware? If there aren't 78 desktop shortcuts pre-installed, it's not a Dell!
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
FreeDos is a cool project. You should check it out if you haven't yet.
SCO.com uses Linux
Since Dell has half the market cap of IBM. which makes it a sizable company in its own right, Microsoft (granted, which still has a larger market cap than both combined) should realise that two of the biggest computer makers are trying to distance themselves. If they weren't already afraid of the free movement (whether it be Linux or FreeDOS!) they should be paying a lot more attention very soon!
libertarianswag.com
They're not exactly Dell (referring to the size, not the quality), but Element Computer has a strict no-Microsoft policy to avoid paying expensive licensing fees to Microsoft. All the computers they sell run Lycoris Desktop/LX (a Linux distribution). They've got some pretty nice computers for the price... now if only I wasn't so cheap...
True story.
I think they are trying to avoid parts of their OEM agreement with Microsoft that bars them from shipping PCs without and OS, and FreeDOS is more neutral than picking a linux distro to ship with it.
Wikileaks, no DNS
According to their news entries, this is new for US customers, but it's been available to Canadians for a while.
When Dell stops this bullshit, and offers a windows delete credit across their entire product line (without invalidating warranties), then you will finally know that you aren't paying a full microsoft tax when you order a computer with Linux or some other operating system.
Not much, but it doesn't really matter. Dell is sending a message to Redmond, wait a couple weeks until they get a new deal with M$ ... everyone is doing this very same little trick these days, and I guess freedos is easier to support than linux for Dell while the negotiations take place ...
What kind of home user uses a command line only OS?
Now THAT is a stupid question to ask on slashdot.
symetrix. We are building a religion, a limited edition.
I believe the point has been mentioned before in similar threads, but it bears repeating here.
Many businesses already have licenses for all the software that they run--either a seat for every user or a site-wide license. For such businesses, a PC that comes with Windows is just wasted money. It would make sense to try to wrestle a discount from Microsoft when such a situation occurs, but monopolies are not often sympathetic to such things.
I just found out about this a few weeks ago, it changed my plans of rebuilding my current box; for 319$ (or a little more) I can have a ~2.6Gig box with those nice/quiet Dell cases. The fact that I don't have to buy MS on it turned me around, it'll be our new main workstation running Gentoo Linux.
Next I'll think about replacing my server! At ~300$ I can't afford not to upgrade!
CB
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You install Linux on it.
If you read the fine print carefully, you will discover that the N series systems actually ship with no operating system installed. They include a FreeDOS media kit in the box. This way you don't have to pay any Microsoft tax on the machine. I suppose you could use the FreeDOS to test the machine before you installed the Linux distro of your choice,
Howard Roark, Architect
I believe in a Man's right to exist for his own sake.
It's intended for Businesses who have a volume licence agreement for x number of Windows Installs. This let's them buy new workstations without having to pay for a Windows Licence they already have.
I would expect Darl will be on the scene shortly, perhaps within a week, claiming that FreeDOS is also owned by SCO.
I will enter my official guess as February 2, "Groundhog Day". If Darl appears and claims more IP, then six more weeks of IP winter will be upon us.
ReactOS (formerly FreeWin95, a project to create a Windows 95 clone) is a project to create a Windows 2000 clone. It's at version 0.2 (just a couple of days ago, and I thought they hadn't made it to 0.1.6 yet). It'll have Wine in there to actually get decent Win32 support. BTW, the rosapps all run great on Win2K/XP, but they sucked ass on 0.1.1 when I tried it, which is good, seeing that they're coding against Win2K, and not ROS.
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iMac is cheaper, has a dedicated graphics card, a professionally supported UNIX OS, a better processor for any sort of media, better built-in software, a 4x DVD-R, and 20GB more HD space, not to mention the better design and compatibility with all sorts of other devices. Plus options for internal bluetooth, etc.
And people say Macs are expensive?
And were are not without /. saying Dell is trying to "distancing of itself from Microsoft". Myabe Dell is only one small step away from throwing down the windows flag and offering only Linux as an option? No, I don't think that is it. I think someone is just spouting off at the mouth. Zealots are blinded by the way they want things to be, not the way things are.
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
How about putting the OS you purchased a license to use on your old boxen, that's not currently being used?
Those licenses are not transferable. You can't even blow away a PC and reload it with another copy of the OS you bought with it.
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Not according to the FreeDos site.
"Update: (16 Jan 2004) This may look like a repeat, but it's not. Before, FreeDOS on Dell wasn't available to US customers - it was Canadian customers only."
Actually, last year we bought a bunch of Dell PowerEdge 2650s with RedHat 9 (and then had to purchase RHEL only six months later because of that end of life bullshit...but that's another story).
Anyway, Dell has a really good installer that asks a couple of questions, then installs RedHat with all the right options for the hardware, including Dell's drivers for their gigabit ethernet card and RAID 5 config. It even included a custom hardware PNP lookup file with identifiers for all the components in the server that aren't in the standard distro.
Dell also have their management interface for linux, which does everything the windows version does.
I was quite impressed with Dell (Not so much with RedHat over that end of life thing)