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When was the Last Time You Used Gopher?

ahuber asks: "As part of a class for LIS 391 @ the University of Illinois, I'm doing a history of the gopher protocol. My intent in this is to track the rise and fall of old technologies in hope that it tells us something about technologies we use today. So, my question to you is: When was the last time you used a gopher server? What did you use it for? And finally, do you miss the gopher now that its virtually gone? While some of you may think this is a silly topic, old and useful technologies are going the way of Gopher every day. One example from my campus is the retiring of the newsgroup server and telnet. Do you have any similar experiences that made you think twice about giving up an older technology?"

127 comments

  1. The last time I used Gopher by xagon7 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Was when I wrote the "Atomic Mp3 Finder" about 2 months before Napster came out.

    It was a piece of shit, as I was still new to development, but was fun, and I learned a TON.

    1. Re:The last time I used Gopher by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 3, Funny
      Nice to hear that *you* learned a TON.

      According to Julie, she learned very little the last time she used Gopher,
      but she was desperate as Doc and Captain Stubing were busy.

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    2. Re:The last time I used Gopher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come aboard, we're expecting you!

  2. 1995 by ambient · · Score: 1

    The last time I clearly remember using gopher was in 1995. I was using OS/2 Warp at the time, and was downloading drivers from one of the IBM labs.

    I do not miss it. I can barely remember what it looked like...

  3. Are there any benifits of Gopher vs the Web? by T-Ranger · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I remember using Gopher back in 1994 via Lynx on a text based dialup. Even viewing both via text, the web was infinitly better. While it may not be a requirement of the technology, all the gopher sites I went to were hierarchically based, with no cross linking. Some data hadent been webified, so gopher was still usefull, but it sucked.

    Are there any benifits of Gopher over http/html at all?

    1. Re:Are there any benifits of Gopher vs the Web? by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      There was the one benefit that Gopher wasn't ever commercialized (or easily commercializable), so that meant more content, less ads.

    2. Re:Are there any benifits of Gopher vs the Web? by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are there any benifits of Gopher over http/html at all?

      It's simpler, and has lighter client interface and system requirements. It's pretty fast. It's easier to implement a gopher client properly (one of the reasons I liked gopher back in the day was because lynx was so blinking unstable).

  4. Gopher... by Ianoo · · Score: 1

    I was really bored one day and tried to go to gopher.wiretap.spies.com, which I remember was a popular place on Gopher... in the last century. However it doesn't seem to exist any more. Are there any gopher servers left? I suspect the answer is yes, but I don't know where to find them.

  5. a bit of time ago by eamonman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Jeez, I last used a gopher client nine years ago, when I was an incoming frosh in college and had no idea what http, ftp, or gopher meant. I recall that at the time, people were still using gopher for researching things, but that was quickly tapering off. We all were starting to use web search engines like infoseek or lycos or altavista (or was that more recent) to do research for school projects.

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  6. About two weeks ago by keesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was testing out mozilla's gopher:// handler. It actually works :)

    1. Re:About two weeks ago by caseih · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Until recently, BYU had totally forgotten about their gopher server which was running without any changes for the last 7 years or so. gopher://gopher.byu.edu. I don't know if it is down now, or is just firewalled off.

    2. Re:About two weeks ago by Penguin · · Score: 1

      It doesn't work very well with the rest of mozilla, it seems - at least not tabs:

      1. In 1.6, open a new tab, go to e.g. gopher://gopher.quux.org/ .

      2. Click on a link and QUICKLY close the tab, before the new gopher-page is loaded.

      3. The gopher-page will still be loaded - and displayed in the current tab.

      I haven't checked bugzilla yet for this... (and on a more personal note: even though I have filed a couple of bugs recently, I haven't much faith in the handling of bugs; http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104532 is a good example of a +2 year pretty annoying bug).

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    3. Re:About two weeks ago by neosake · · Score: 1

      ... Or is it the first gopher server ever slashdotted?!!! :)

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  7. '93 - back when I was writing pages for it. by Kris_J · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was working on Gopher pages for the University Computer Club at UWA over 10 years ago now. Can't say that I miss it. HTML/HTTP is everything Gopher was and so much more.

  8. Back when I was a Golden Gopher myself by Saganaga · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the only time I used Gopher was when I was a student back at the University of Minnesota (whose mascot, the Golden Gopher, provided the inspiration for the protocol's name for those at the U of M who developed it). I think that was 1992 or '93.

    It didn't really make too much of an impression on me, though. I dimly remember that is was a very rigidly hierarchical menu-based system, difficult to use if you didn't know where in the hierarchy to look. But that's about all I remember.

    Wikipedia has a good article on Gopher.

    1. Re:Back when I was a Golden Gopher myself by yelvington · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, the hierarchy was NOT rigid. Any node on the tree could point to any Gopher address, so the navigational scheme could be a network and not merely a tree. However, text resources were by definition just text files, and were leaf nodes as a result. They couldn't point anywhere else.

      The big breakthroughs of the Web were the ability to embed a hypertext link at any abitrary location in text, and the ability to embed images (introduced by Mosaic).

      The Gopher model was excellent for a narrowband world. It was a tremendous breakthrough in a darkness where we all had to "just know" Telnet addresses like nyx.du.edu and FTP addresses like tsx-11.mit.edu. It worked great on a plain-text terminal. And it pioneered a lot of things that later made the Web usable, such as link-integrated search engines (Archie, which searched FTP archives, and Veronica, which searched Gopherspace).

      If the cellphone companies weren't so self-destructively larcenous, they would have used Gopher instead of creating that awful WAP/WML mess.

    2. Re:Back when I was a Golden Gopher myself by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      The big problem with Gopher was that the clients didn't provide an easy means to bookmark locations or enter URLs.

      Thus, at the U of MN, every trip into "gopherspace" started at the University home location and required to you to dig down 100 levels to get what you were looking for. And there was some pretty cool stuff there -- you could get into parts of The Well BBS, Wired, The the EFF, download Apple software, etc.

      But I think 99% of the students never got past the jokes page that was at the root level of the hierarchy.

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    3. Re:Back when I was a Golden Gopher myself by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow...I'm pretty sure that the Mac OS TurboGopher supported bookmarks.

      I was really into getting a gopher server going a few years back. It took some work to even get one to compile on a current Red Hat system, and the setup is a pain in the ass compared to, say, Apache. There's been some resurgence of work on gopher recently, oddly enough, so it may be possible to use gopherd without trouble.

      As someone else pointed out, gopher would be *phenomenal* for cell phones. It's lightweight, it doesn't push the capabilities, it uses text, arrow keys, and number keys...it's really pretty much perfect for cells. Unfortunately, there's enough Web-based infrastructure in place that I don't think that that's going to happen.

    4. Re:Back when I was a Golden Gopher myself by You're+All+Wrong · · Score: 1

      This is a client problem.
      Gopher had URIs. In theory you could go anywhere you wanted to return to instantly.

      However, it was shite. I remember it, and it was total crap. Total total crap. The guys behind it never studied HCI at all.

      YAW
      (First world-viewable web page in 1993)

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  9. 2001 by Merlin42 · · Score: 1

    I was working for the meteorology department on campus and building a tool to slurp up weather data from every known source imaginable, including web and ftp sites, McIDAS(*shudder* I HATED THAT THING) and GOPHER! I think out of the 50 or so sources I was using only 1 or 2 used gopher. AFAIK gopher is probably still used in meteorology.

  10. Rutgers University in 1992-94 by Unholy_Kingfish · · Score: 3, Interesting
    My first and last experience was at Rutgers University. At the time Rutgers had lots on info running over Gopher for school stuff. But even then WWW was taking over as THE source for information. Every Comp Sci major (back then it meant programming only) was learning this new language called HTML. We spent more time doing stuff with that than actual work. Not to mention some hacking of the schools network.

    Gopher seemed very antiquated since this new HTML thing allowed you to do the same stuff as Gopher, but also format it, use different text sizes and WOW... pictures. We downloaded this thing called Netscape and opened a text editor and went at it. Anyone at the school that had a "Computer" account could post these so called "web pages" to their personl storage space. It was a very generous amount of space too, 2 MB. We were amazed, we could put almost two 3 1/4 floppies worth of useless stuff there for everyone to see.

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    1. Re:Rutgers University in 1992-94 by costas · · Score: 1

      It should not be forgotten however that the original Mozilla browser was also a very, very good gopher client (gopher:// URIs); back when they were hardly any HTTP servers around, gopher actually bootstrapped mozilla into more widespread usage...

    2. Re:Rutgers University in 1992-94 by IMSoP · · Score: 2, Informative

      erm, do you mean either Mosaic or Netscape , by any chance? Mozilla didn't become the name of a browser until some time around 1998, by which time I'm pretty sure there were plenty of HTTP servers around...

  11. waaay back... by Balthisar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    in 1996 was the last time I used a gopher server. Also 1996 was the first time I'd used a gopher server. To me (an enlisted soldier in the US Army) the internet was a brand new thing for me and I used everything I could get my hands on. I'd just dumped AOL (yeah, yeah, I was an AOL'er for a year, and that's when they charged per minute) for this internet thing.

    I remember that the gopher program for my Mac Colour Classic had a gopher in a really nifty pair of sunglasses. But it turns out I just didn't gopher very much -- Archie and/or Veronica (am I remembering right?) found everything I needed on FTP, and this is when the web was getting popular -- my first browser was Mosaic.

    All this, and I'm a relative late starter to the internet compared to most of the /. crowd (and an really early adopter in my own crowd).

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    1. Re:waaay back... by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      AOL didn't advertise it really, but they had a gopher client in 1996 built into the service. That was where I did gophering.

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  12. quux.org by Hajoma · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a fantastic archive at gopher.quux.org . I don't think there's anything there which isn't accessible on the Web, but it's nice to see something useful on Gopher.

    The best thing about this site is that it's still accessible when our shonky Web cache breaks. If you're incapable of doing any work without the Web, at least you can read Project Gutenberg, the Jargon File, or the Internet Oracle archives from here.

    (BTW: there are a few broken selectors on this site at the moment; unfortunately some of the most useful stuff. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon.)

  13. Re:Gopher, eh? by Anm · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Is that an IM protocol/system/whatever?

    Suggestion: Don't waste your time blathering on about assumptions you know are assumptions. Verify your assumption (googling "gopher server" comes to mind). Else you look like an idiot.

  14. A useful resource by IMSoP · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've never used gopher myself (other than for seeing what it looked like), but you may all want to check out Floodgap Gopher-HTTP Proxy

    And yes, you do need a proxy, as just about all modern browsers (yes, even Mozilla) don't render gopher correctly - compare your browser with what it should look like.

    And naturally, the proxy links to lots of still-existent gopherspaces, for all you wondering if there are any still out there...

  15. Two Days Ago :) by HRbnjR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some people on a local board I visit were complaining about inflamatory threads being deleted, cencorship, and all that... so I was searching for good info on Canadian Defamation law, and found this:

    gopher://insight.mcmaster.ca/11/org/efc

    1. Re:Two Days Ago :) by nutsaq · · Score: 1

      creepy, i hit that link with safari, and ie5 opened up to handle it (incorrectly i assume, since it displayed no information)

    2. Re:Two Days Ago :) by PianoComp81 · · Score: 1

      They may run it on a gopher server, but they wrote it with html. Their "how to reach us" page has html formatting all over it, and the e-mail address doesn't display because it's a gopher site using html.

  16. 1994 by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Gave me the creeps.

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  17. 7 yrs by Bistronaut · · Score: 1

    It's been about 7 years since I've had a reason to use Gopher (a couple local colleges used it).

  18. not so long ago... by Zapper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'bout two weeks ago. One those "wonder if it's still working" momemnts. Any interesting gopher:// URLS out there?

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  19. 1993 by Pengo · · Score: 1


    I believe I was able to download schedule information on classes, etc. from our university gopher server. Thats about all I ever used it for.

  20. Back when I was in college by Smack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was home for the summer and wanted to check my mail, but we didn't have an ISP (back in 1995). So I called in to my local library's system, which they put out so you could use databases and stuff remotely. They allowed you to get into Gopher from there. I dug around until I found a telnet gateway and used that to log into my college account all summer. The tricky part was that there was no way to directly go to an address, by typing in a URL or something. So you had to follow links all the way from my little library's server in NJ to this gateway in Germany or something.

  21. 10 Minutes Ago by ev1lcanuck · · Score: 2, Informative

    For the first (and probably last) time I used it to look at gopher://sdf.lonestar.org/. I was mostly curious and found the gopher site through Vivisimo It's pretty cool and works great over dialup. I used Mozilla Firebird 0.7 to access it.

  22. how odd by Tumbleweed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > One example from my campus is the retiring of the newsgroup server and telnet.

    Okay, see, gopher being retired is one thing - we have a superior (far superior) replacement. There _is_ no obviously-superior replacement for NNTP yet, and the only superior replacement for telnet is secure telnet.

    The interfaces of web forum software are still leagues behind that of a decent NNTP client, and what are you going to do when you need the functionality of telnet?

    Bizarre decision.

    1. Re:how odd by Brynath · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Ummm,

      SSH?

    2. Re:how odd by lambent · · Score: 2, Informative

      Telnet is an awful, awful protocl that shound never have been implemented, right from the start. Unless you're running an extremely resource-poor platform and need remote console access, there's no defendable reason to use it.

      *cough*

      As for NNTP ... where else would we get our daily giga-dose of free pr0n from?

    3. Re:how odd by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Oh geez. Sorry, been a long week. :)

    4. Re:how odd by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      the only superior replacement for telnet is secure telnet.

      As you pointed out to another poster -- it's been a long week. Get some rest. ;-)

      There _is_ no obviously-superior replacement for NNTP yet...

      Well, let's see. Funny that this should come up in such close temporal proximity (there must be a less awkward phrase for this) to my bringing it up, but IMAP supports of a set of extensions to provide "bboards". CMU actually provides access via a bboard gateway to Usenet. This is *somewhat* more superior, as secure IMAP is pretty common...but SSL-tunneled NNTP is not. Of course, almost nobody *uses* this interface, but it's still worthwhile to consider.

      I'd say that it's kind of appalling that NNTP doesn't support compression and encryption (or at *least* that SSL-tunneled NNTP was standard). These are pretty obvious extensions to the thing, and don't need to be implemented Internet-wide to be useful.

      It'd also be a be neat if PGP signature use was a bit more common on Usenet.

      I think the reason NNTP has gone to the dogs a bit is:

      * The flow of money toward the Web.

      * The relegation of many NNTP users to mail clients. Sorry, but a dedicated newsreader is much better than a mailreader in every instance that I've seen.

      * No HTML support. People like their pink-on-green text, and people on Usenet get cranky when people try posting HTML.

      * A few killer features that Web forums like Slashdot support are not present on Usenet. The big one, of course, is moderation.

      * Usenet was used shamelessly for email address harvesting for a long time.

    5. Re:how odd by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      I'd say that it's kind of appalling that NNTP doesn't support compression and encryption

      My feed is tunneled over a compressed SSH connection to my upstream.

      It'd also be a be neat if PGP signature use was a bit more common on Usenet.

      That's becoming more common, except that some people absolutely schiz out when they see attached signature ("THIS ISN'T A BINARY GROUP!!1!"). Alan Connor in comp.os.linux.misc is a good (well, bad) example.

      The relegation of many NNTP users to mail clients. Sorry, but a dedicated newsreader is much better than a mailreader in every instance that I've seen.

      Ever tried Gnus? It's by far the best mail and best news client I've ever used.

      A few killer features that Web forums like Slashdot support are not present on Usenet. The big one, of course, is moderation.

      Gnus uses adaptive scoring to highlight articles that match my prior reading patterns. I like it better than moderation-by-mob, but that's personal preference.

      Usenet was used shamelessly for email address harvesting for a long time.

      True, but I really don't think the web is significantly better. :)

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    6. Re:how odd by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      I've tried gnus, but not seriously -- the emacs mail client that I tried seriously was vm. I decided that the LISP-based code just wasn't responsive enough when my mailboxes got large, and that mutt tends to be more featureful -- and while I like emacs and tried the working-entirely-within-emacs approach, I've decided that many emacs-based apps just aren't as good as their external-to-emacs equivalents. I'm trying to remember my gnus experience. Either vm or gnus uses a bunch of weird font sizes and styles (I *hate* italics onscreen) that I had to go through and disable. IIRC, vm could get a bit cranky if I accidently started multiple instances. Mutt just tries to combine changes from multiple running instances, which is really nice -- pine takes a "last started gets write access" approach, which is kind of annoying.

    7. Re:how odd by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
      I use Gnus strictly in IMAP mode, so I don't have longer delays that any other client I've tried. As far as features, Gnus wins over everything I've tried by a large margin. Every six months or so I'll get a wild hair and decide to try out the current crop of mail and news apps.

      First, I spend about 10 minutes with KNode, Pan, etc., and run back to Gnus - I really wish those developers would check out the competition from time to time. They're all nice enough, and easy to use, but lack any serious functionality.

      Then I run through KMail, Thunderbird, Evolution, etc. Those are getting close to adequate, but not quite:

      • KMail won't filter IMAP articles. This makes it useless at work where I'm connecting to an Exchange server and don't have any server-side filtering available.
      • Evolution seriously lacks. For one, it has no concept of folder-specific preferences. I subscribe to many mailing lists and have different .sigs, different From: headers, and sometimes different PGP keys depending on which folder I'm currently in - Evolution is just painful in this setup.
      • I was pleasantly surprised by Thunderbird. My main gripes were that 1) it doesn't have any way (that I know of) to save sent messages in non-default settings. I have a few project-specific folders (i.e., working with Bob in one, Tom in the other, Pete in the third, etc.) and when I reply to messages in those folders, I want my reply filed in those folders for easy threading; and 2) it isn't integrated with either Gnome or KDE (which is expected, but not ideal for my setup), so I have to maintain a parallel address book.

      Mutt is supposedly feature-equivalent or nearly so to Gnus, and since Gnus is a significantly better newsreader than the alternatives, I like having a single mail/news interface. If I wasn't so into Usenet, I'd probably look more closely at Mutt.

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  23. What about Archie? by Tye_Informer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Last time I successfully used gopher was college ('96). I have tried a few times recently because gopher was a little more precise than google or the like.
    Archie is the tool I miss the most though. Need a file, know the filename, archie will find a dozen places that the file exists. Now you are tied to ad-supported search sites that make you jump through hoops to download a file from another ad-supported site that makes you jump through more hoops!

    Data is disappearing off the net, and the data that is still there is becoming impossible to find because of the search engine rankings. Give me the raw data and let me do the ranking. I am the one that knows what I'm looking for.

    1. Re:What about Archie? by iota · · Score: 1

      Need a file, know the filename, archie will find a dozen places that the file exists

      So will google --
      Search: "Index of" filename

  24. not quite true by IMSoP · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was testing out mozilla's gopher:// handler. It actually works :)

    Actually, no it doesn't - try comparing this gopher link with this html proxied version - not the same, I think you'll agree.

    1. Re:not quite true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron. Both displays the same in Firebird.

    2. Re:not quite true by IMSoP · · Score: 1

      And? Mozilla != Firebird (Yet)

      I'm glad there is a working handler in Firebird, but that doesn't prove that "mozilla's gopher:// handler" works, does it? And as a Mozilla user, I can assure you that it doesn't.

  25. Example site I found by sahrss · · Score: 2, Informative

    Doubtless someone will come up with a whole list, so please be gentle with the mods, but I managed to find one Gopher site (viewing with Moz Firebird):

    gopher://gopher.umsl.edu/

  26. What, exactly did gopher do? by rueger · · Score: 1

    Ok, I'll admit that I sort of went directly from BBSs to Netscape (the one with the giant pulsing "N", and hasn't it all been downhill from there...) about - what was it? - '96?

    Consequently I never used gopher. Can someone save me the time of actually looking it up and tell us what the heck it did?

    Or Archie and Veronica for that matter?

    1. Re:What, exactly did gopher do? by dougmc · · Score: 3, Informative
      gopher was basically like the WWW, but all text -- no pictures.

      Archie searched ftp sites for a given file. There was a central server that polled all the known sites occasionally, and it handled your requests.

      Veronica indexed gopher sites, much like google does web sites.

      Of course, you could have learned all this much faster by just using google.

    2. Re:What, exactly did gopher do? by tommck · · Score: 1

      Back in the day (early 90s), I used archie, veronica, gopher, etc.

      How cool was it that Arche searched "known sites"... hehe... Can you imagine... People would register their FTP sites with Archie so people could find their stuff (just like with search engines and web pages without the financial motives).

      It was cool. It was fast. And my WHOLE college shared a 56K leased line baby! BitNet anyone? The _original_ relay (relay@VTVM2)?? (I helped to maintain the full-screen (*gasp*) Relay "program" written in DCL for VAX/VMS when I was a freshman in college... )

      Come on... I know you're out there!

      God... how nostalgic...

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  27. Not since 1998 by Yeechang+Lee · · Score: 1

    First began using Gopher in 1993. By 1995, the Web had taken over and Gopher was pretty much obsolete. However, Columbia's ColumbiaNet intranet system, obviously based on Gopher, didn't convert to a Web-based system until 1998 or so. So I can say I last used Gopher then.

  28. Ground Hog day by Phillup · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Feburary 2nd

    No... wait... that was a ground hog, not a gopher.

    Sorry.

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  29. 1995--just serfing by omibus · · Score: 1

    I was comparing finding data using that new-fangled Mosilla, verses Gopher. I remember Gopher being very obtuse and switched to Mosilla.

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  30. 3 months ago... by RevAaron · · Score: 1

    I was using gopher some 3 months ago. Believe it or not, a university was still using it for their people search! I can't recall who it was. Although, around a year ago, Macalester College was using it for their people search. heh.

    ahhh, gopher. I used to use it a ton. Back in the day, the U of MN would run a free gopher client service into which you could telnet. I used to know of an 800 number that when dialed would just yield a telnet> prompt... Must've been for some companies agents in the field or something. But between the magick telnet> and the free gopher client, I was a very happy 12 year old! Mind you, this was back in 1992, far before most of you whipper snappers got a copy of Netscape 3.0 (GOLD!@$) from your ISPS. :)

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    1. Re:3 months ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mind you, this was back in 1992, far before most of you whipper snappers got a copy of Netscape 3.0 (GOLD!@$) from your ISPS.

      No need to be arrogant... I was using Gopher back in '92, and started using HTTP via a free service from CERN where you telnetted to an unprotected account that let you use Lynx.
      Then I downloaded one of the first Mosaic releases and all that went out the window...

  31. Archie by Shut+the+fuck+up! · · Score: 1

    Remember Archie? That was one of the first things I ever used to batch download porn. Ahhh, sunet.se...the memories.

  32. Old tech? by dacarr · · Score: 1
    Anybody remember Fidonet? Or UUCP?

    I don't use UUCP anymore because...well, it's UUCP, and I don't use Fido anymore simply because everyone's left the boards of old - and the only people left are the people who seem to make it "Fightonet".

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    1. Re:Old tech? by stevey · · Score: 1

      For my sins I am BOFH at a small shop which has installations of both SCO openserver and UUCP.

      The combination of tracking down problems in UUCP and having to admit to my friends that I run Debian and SCO side by side is enough to make me a target of abuse!

      There are probably a ton of sites sharing dialup across a company of five or ten staff using UUCP to receive files from their partners, etc.

      Hell if they'd pay my flights I'd go onsite with a cable modem and setup a Linux box running SSH - never gonna happen though :(

    2. Re:Old tech? by tommck · · Score: 1

      Of course! I used to play lots of turn-based games on a Fidonet BBS... gotta love it when the turns are transmitted through a BBS-to-BBS dialup connection...

      Person 1 takes a turn...
      BBS 1 dials up BBS 2 and transmits data... hangs up
      Person 2 takes a turn...
      BBS 2 dials up BBS 1 and transmits response... hangs up

      Think: FPS with a REALLY REALLY ASTRONOMICALLY HIGH ping!

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    3. Re:Old tech? by dacarr · · Score: 1

      Heh, that's nothing for high ping times. =^_^=

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  33. gopher? by jforr · · Score: 2, Funny


    You mean that damn *mumble mumble* gopher isn't dead yet? I thaught I gawt im wiph dah bunny c-4. That does it, I'm getting mydoom's gophinator 3000 and ending this once and for all. god damn *mumble mumble* gopher ruining my gauf course.

  34. Cooler business cards by JMax · · Score: 2, Funny

    The thing I miss most about gopher is that you got to say that you were the "gophermaster" -- that's gotta be 5x cooler than "webmaster" any day.

  35. They call me gopher.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My firends call me The Gopher... I use myself all the time... but I was not aware I had a server.

    Where can I get more info about my server????

  36. Edmunds.com by zsazsa · · Score: 1

    My last Gophering of any consequence was around 1995-1996. Edmunds.com had a fantastic Gopherspace packed with tons of info on automobiles, mainly for educating yourself when buying a new or used vehicle. The gem was the list of exact dealer invoice costs on new cars, broken down for every option, trim level, etc. They really were just plain text files arranged by maker on the site, but they presented so much more information than Edmunds' current typical ad-laden web site. I'd like to see if they still have any such information in such a comprehensive format.

  37. Last time was YESTERDAY by iamblack · · Score: 1

    gopher://up-root.org I use it to list my images and crap that I would rather not have my real friends seeing. :|

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  38. never by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in my late 20's, am a programmer, have been on the internet since about 1994, have been involved with computers since about 1983 and have never used GOPHER. Period.

  39. Wow...gopher by cb8100 · · Score: 1

    I'd have to say it was 1995...I think I was procuring some software for my calculus class.

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  40. Freaky by Shut+the+fuck+up! · · Score: 1

    I just used mozilla gopher and checked out the link. And what do I see?

    gopher://up-root.org/I9/sole/img/worksshot.jpg

    A post I wrote on slashdot in some random screenshot of someone's desktop. 'Why buy an ipod'. I posted it anonymously so I can't prove it, but I know I wrote it...

    The original:
    http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?s id=90355&ci d=7797473

  41. What in tarnation? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

    "When was the Last Time You Used Gopher?"

    When Ma ran out of possum.

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  42. usenet by vbrtrmn · · Score: 1

    i'm using usenet right now, i've been using it since i first subscribed to an isp in 1995ish.

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    1. Re:usenet by tommck · · Score: 1

      Newbie! I remember being really excited when I discovered "trn".. that is a great news reader... I convinced my professor to install it on our DEC Ultrix machines... It kicked ass for news reading... was my default news reader until Outlook Express and Free Agent introduced me to bulk "download and decode" options..

      I used to get my porn by downloading each UUENCODED (yes, UUENCODED) message and then reassembling them by manually editing the text files to remove the headers... Then, I'd run UUDECODE on them... then, I got to see that grainy 70s porn shot! (circa 1990)

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  43. I used gopher to get access to telnet by astrashe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My first internet account was on a unix freenet called Nyx, which was run by a guy named Andrew Burt at Denver University.

    When I first started to use my account, I could dial a local university number, and connect to a telnet prompt. There wasn't even any authentication.

    Eventually they closed that down, but kept access to the library card catalogue open to the public. You could use the card catalog to get to the gopher tree, and from there I could find a telnet link to Nyx.

    I downloaded my first linux distro using kermit through a telnet connection opened via gopher. It was the old MCC distro, which came on a series of floppy disks.

    For me, gopher was more of a means than an end in itself. I didn't spend a lot of time reading stuff on gopher. I did search for telnet links to nyx, which were always moving around (or getting shut down).

    I don't miss gopher at all, because you can think of a gopher menu as a special case of a web page. Every gopher menu can be expressed as a web page, and of course web pages can do lots of stuff that gopher menus can't.

    The first wave of consumer or hobbyist internet use was focused on shell accounts, many of which were on netcom -- you'd dial in with a terminal program, so you didn't have a tcp/ip stack on the computer you were sitting at, and nothing was graphical. Gopher worked well in that world, because it was something that a terminal program could handle.

    1. Re:I used gopher to get access to telnet by GoRK · · Score: 1

      I had a similar experience -- I think it was 1992 or 1993.. I found a dial-in number for public access to the local library card catalog system (Running Dynix on SysV). After a little prodding, I found a way to get access to gopher through the system, which I then could use to jump off to telnet hyperlinks. I think their whole network was connected to the net by a 56K frame relay or something. Fun stuff.

      A local ISP was started a year or so later, so I no longer had to jump through hoops to get net access anymore :)

    2. Re:I used gopher to get access to telnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bet you used "gophers" for more than that.....

      ~GoAT~

    3. Re:I used gopher to get access to telnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what... Today I heard a song that details how I feel quite well...

  44. Last Year by kalidasa · · Score: 1

    The listserve list I'm an admin for used to have its archives on gopher; they finally bumped them off in about June or July.

  45. 1996 by RedRun · · Score: 1

    I used it to look for a job...which I got. I was a cabler (installed CAT5 cable) on my college campus. That job helped me get a job in the computer repair shop on campus which helped me get a job as a custom computer assembly tech at a local computer store which helped me get a job in an IT department at a larger corporation which helped me get a job as a programmer where I am today. So you could say that gopher is responsible for my entire career :)

  46. Sampling by b-baggins · · Score: 1

    I hope, as part of your tracking the history, you learn something about statistical sampling. Hint: polling slashdot is NOT a valid sample from which you can draw any meaningful conclusion.

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  47. Uphill Both Ways by Flwyd · · Score: 1

    I found out about gopher in 1993 when I was in 7th grade, shortly after I got a UNIX account. This was back when I was fascinated by cd ..; ls, so my standards were not exactly mountainous. This was before everyone had heard of the Internet, so gopher impressed me by delivering The Adventures of Huck Finn, Kanji Character of the Day, and e to 50,000 digits (which I downloaded to floppy and took home!). I didn't know about bookmarks, so I'd try to remember the hop-by-hop path to my favorite servers.

    In the fall of 1995, when I was a sophomore in high school, I wrote an essay about the Web in which I listed browser protocol compliance (http, ftp, gopher, and even wais!) as a major feature. I think the last time I used Gopher was in 1996 while searching the 'net for something school related. I think the site may have been down, but I at least felt like I was using my old friend the rodent again.

    Back in that same day, I'd always try and fail to get something cool from archie. Almost without fail, the search would turn up nothing or it would turn up lots of results, none of which pointed to sites that would let me in.

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  48. when I last used gopher by bersl2 · · Score: 1

    three years ago for a civics project, I used the CIA world factbook on gopher.

  49. 10 years ago, using gopher on sunos at netcom.com by Cranx · · Score: 1

    10 years ago, using gopher on sunos at netcom.com

  50. Security through obscurity?? by JohnLi · · Score: 1

    I read some of the posts and the wikipedia entry and started thinking..

    I've been looking for a secure way to have preproduction versions of my bands recordings online. FTP is ok, but most people have access to a client and guessing a url is not hard. If I could set up a gopher server with the data there and instruct whoever needed access that they would have to install either mozilla or a special client to get it, they could. Also since most people don't even know gopher exists they could do very little with the mailed out url even if they got it. It wont work in IE.

    Thoughts, Questions?

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    1. Re:Security through obscurity?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of a PASSWORD ?!?! Just put the files on the web and SECURE THEM. .htaccess people, .htaccess!

  51. Usenet and telnet by dougmc · · Score: 2, Interesting
    One example from my campus is the retiring of the newsgroup server and telnet.
    This is a pretty poor example. Usenet has hardly died out -- in fact, I'd guess that more people are using it now than at any other time. The percentage of people online using it is probably lower than it has ever been since it's inception, but with so many people out there, there's still a lot of people using it.

    (Granted, many (most?) are using it for porn and warez, but that was probably true 10 years ago too.)

    As for telnet, ssh is much more like telnet than WWW is like gopher. I doubt many people lament the loss of telnet access (it having been replaced with ssh) ... but going from gopher to the WWW is a very different transition. WWW is everything that gopher wasn't, but gopher had a certain charm that escapes most of the WWW.

    As for when I last used gopher? A few weeks ago, actually. Somebody mentioned it, and I wondered if browsers still supported it (I remember how Mosaic would support it) ... and Mozilla does!

  52. Never used it by madsenj37 · · Score: 1

    I am 22 and have only heard of gopher. Never tried it or even seen it.

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  53. CWRU gopher... by d-rock · · Score: 1

    When I started at Case a lot of the course materials were on gopher. Of course, mozilla, etc. came out very soon after (I remember running it my freshman year), so it was a very brief time spent with gopher.

    Derek

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  54. Late 1997 by anticypher · · Score: 1

    I used to use gopher quite a bit in 1991-1993. By 1994, gopher use had almost ended, replaced by http. I didn't touch gopher again until a specific problem came up in late 1997. I haven't used it since then until tonight (and I'm having a great time poking around, the mozilla gopher client still works).

    What I don't understand is why your sniversity is getting rid of UseNet. Dejagoogle might be ok for archival searches, but there is certainly a place for newsgroups in an academic setting. Slashdot and kuro5hin are about the closest web apps have come to duplicating the community feeling of UseNet, and that is not saying much. I spend a couple hours per week catching up on a wide variety of news in about 12 newsgroups. Without that quick update, I'd soon feel very left behind in my field. There is no place on the web where you can ask very technical questions, and have a good chance some technical expert has seen your problem before and can help solve your problem. UseNet is invaluable for people who have real jobs requiring lots of additional information.

    Will your sniversity be a leader in trashing soon-to-be-obsolete protocols and block port 80 at the firewall next year? Or will they just make the logical next step and eliminate internet access, telephones, and all electrical appliances?

    the AC

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  55. 2001, actual usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    A few years ago, my university still had a ph/qi-to-gopher gateway. QI is a lightweight database system, similar in idea to LDAP and used for the same things: personnel records, mail forwarding, etc. PH is the client program to QI. I believe the system was originally developed by UIUC and it's still in use at some universities.

    Anyway, our university's web-based ph search tool used gopher and ph was the most complete phone/email database on campus, so I would use it occasionally. Unfortunately, Netscape 4.7 was the only browser at the time that could still do gopher, but I was on *nix machines, so this wasn't a big issue since that was the interim where we *nix folks didn't have any decent browsers.

    The university has since moved to LDAP. So, 2001 was the last time I used gopher "for real", not for testing or playing.

    1. Re:2001, actual usage by kylegordon · · Score: 1

      ph rocked :-) I used it quite a bit on the St Andrews university servers up until the end of 2002. looks like it's being phased out now though.

  56. giga-pr0n by slaker · · Score: 1

    I'm not really into pictures with bullshit site- and phonesex ads on them, but if the web is your choice...

    Boobdex.com is a good start.
    And I like the amateur pages at Voyeurweb. I get lots of goodness from Coolio's Babelog as well.
    You might also spend some quality time at Domai or Kindgirls, which both have much free goodness.

    If you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, Hegre-Archives is awesome, as are Quantum Proadult and Met Art. Playboy's CyberClub can keep a downloader busy for weeks.

    Hardcore really isn't my area of interest, but holy crap, if you're even making jokes about pr0n, regular slashdotter NineNine has just the site for you

    I use scripts to grab most of my smut, but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the Mozilla extensions Linky and Magpie which combine to make my life as a pr0n browser much more pleasant.

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  57. I remember clearly when I last used gopher by nomadic · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needee a heel for my shoe, so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. 'Give me five bees for a quarter' you'd say. Now where were we?

  58. Telnet and Gopher by Siniset · · Score: 1
    Something you mentioned about telnet going the way of gopher struck me. I find telnet to be the most useful way to check my e-mail. I've always used pine, and the fact that it works a lot smoother and quicker than webmail is really nice. But the university I'm attached to is slowly fazing out pine in favor of webmail and imap connects, which is really unfortunate, because I probably wouldn't have gotten into linux if I hadn't gotten used to the shell presented by telnet.

    Good luck with your research.

  59. A few months ago, and other like technologies by maggard · · Score: 1
    I was looking to browse and copy files bnetween a variety of platforms in a really friendly way that wouldn't show up on most script kiddy scans. Gopher was the obvious protocol, unfortunately the server was a WinXP box and I was unable to find an appropriate gopher server for it. IE & Mozilla still support gopher://, does Safari?

    BTW, for those reminiscing about text-based gopher don't forget GopherVR that came out just as http/html hit. An interesting experiment in 3D virtualization of online resources I've yet to see it equalled for other protocols.

    Other now-obscure technologies from the same era:

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  60. A really old Mozilla bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bug number 2903's creation date is 2000-01-31.

  61. Last time... by aster_ken · · Score: 1

    ...was when Slashdot ran a story called "Whatever Happened to Gopher?" on July 2nd, 2000.

  62. Gopher left a bad taste in my mouth.... by JGski · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The last time was about when gopher+ came out (not sure of the date). The changes to the license pushed me from being a gopher enthusiast into becoming a web enthusiast and gopher-hater. By accident of employment I was on the wrong side of the new UMinn license, despite working on an open-source derivative that was going to be open-source itself.

    I had been working on a C++ version of gopherd and gopher back then. UMinn legal pulled a nasty one on loyal users and contributors: if you were a commerical user or coming from a .com domain, you have to pay us. They claimed to own the protocol so even separate development would cost. It wasn't based on what you did with it or what you added to it like most of today's open source licenses, just the "color" of your domain. Definitely an open license moving to a closed license.

    The commerical-academic-government balkanization was quite strong on the internet back then. No advertising allowed. You had to be careful about regular discussion sometimes (Will this post be seen as an innocent "product support" answer or would it perceived as disallowed commercial speech?). A lot of the nostalgic "gentility" of the old Internet was due to this kind of self-censorship.

    At the time the web seemed more (and unnecessarily) complicated as a technology (remember we had just ftp, telnet, usenet and e-mail to compare it against). However, more importantly, there were no 2nd class citizen clauses on the license unlike gopher+.

    The UMinn license changes pushed me to research web and html further, which I might not have done otherwise - which was financially rewarding a few short years later. I know other folks had a similar reaction and experience. I shutdown all my gopher servers and converted the content to html.

  63. spies.wiretap.org by drcobb · · Score: 1

    anyone remember spies.wiretap.org it was almost as good as the bbs days. that was the last time I used gopher.

    1. Re:spies.wiretap.org by Brightest+Light · · Score: 1

      I used to visit that WAY back in the day....so much good reading
      i miss those days, sometimes

  64. MozillaFirebird 0.7 by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mozilla Firebird 0.7 works just fine. The only difference is that it puts a giant honking message at the top to tell you it's a Gopher page, whereas the proxy puts links at the bottom to link back to the proxy.

    If anyone cares, I can put up a screenshot, but I really suggest you just go actually download Mozilla before you run your mouth. (Or is this firebird only?)

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    1. Re:MozillaFirebird 0.7 by IMSoP · · Score: 1

      Mozilla Firebird != Mozilla

      I use Mozilla 1.6, and can assure you that the two links do not look the same - the gopher: link shows none of the supplementary text, only the menu choices. The only build of Firebird I have at present predates the 0.7 release by a few days, and has the same behaviour, but it may well be that somebody's written a better handler now.

      If anyone cares, they can dig through bugzilla and discover what was changed in what build, but I really suggest you check your facts before you run your mouth off.

    2. Re:MozillaFirebird 0.7 by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "just about all modern browsers"

      So I suppose Firebird is out of date? I never suggested it was Mozilla...

      Just because I insult you doesn't mean I'm not thinking, or that you shouldn't.

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    3. Re:MozillaFirebird 0.7 by IMSoP · · Score: 1

      "...I really suggest you just go actually download Mozilla..."

      That suggests Mozilla to me, and that's what I was reacting to. If I hadn't put "just about", you might have a point, but I'm not foolish enough to claim that no browser has decent support.

      My unnecessary closing sentence was just a parody of your unnecessary closing sentence, but I stand by my original post: the majority of modern browsers have incomplete support, and this includes current trunk builds of Mozilla (which still use Seamonkey, not *bird).

      That Firebird has decent support is interesting to know, and encouraging for those still maintaining gopherspaces, but I'd have thought it added to the original point rather than subtracting from it.

    4. Re:MozillaFirebird 0.7 by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fair enough.

      btw, the only problems I've had with Firebird in a long time is its incompatibility with some Mozilla plugins (plugger, mplayer), but that seems fixed now.

      Back to starcraft :P

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  65. google "define: gopher" by danalien · · Score: 1
    yes, google it, all the answeres anyone would be able to give you here +plus tons and tons and tons more....

    and I repeat, google for: define: gopher

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  66. 2 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Up until 2002, the final exams schedule at my university were only available through gopher. Oh, and to register for classes, you had to call that incredibly sucky automated phone system that really did NOT like you interrupting it by pressing numbers before being told to. They finally upgraded that ancient piece of crap system, now everything is done through the web.

  67. Still using it... by Mathness · · Score: 1

    For several reasons;

    - Nostalgia :)
    - Viewing status/summary and log files on servers I admin (pages generated by dayly/weekly/monthly cron scripts).
    - Since it is not part of the usual ports used on servers, it doesn't generate much traffic, esp. if you restrict the IPs with access.

    Yes I know, this could easyly be done in HTTP/SSH*/etc, but it still works fine as it is :)

    * Used for sensitive log/info, though.

    Remember kids, security is not a toy. ;p

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  68. Used Gopher to get classes in college by Krellan · · Score: 1

    I used Gopher to get classes in college. Without it, it would have been nearly impossible to get into the high-demand classes!

    This was at Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, between 1992 and 1998.

    A friend of mine showed me the basic technique, and I wrote some scripts to do it.

    Every hour, the school updated the list of classes that were open, and published them via Gopher. Classes were full, but because people added and dropped classes constantly during the frantic first week or so of each quarter, high-demand classes would occasionally open up.

    I made a script that called the Gopher client with the equivalent of "lynx --dump" every hour, and grepped that for classes I needed. If it found a match, it emailed me. If I checked my email often enough, I had a chance. Back then, the dream was to have an emailable pager, so you wouldn't be tied to checking email! I never did get around to rigging up a more complicated setup to use an analog modem to dial an old-style numeric pager, but some people did.

    Without Gopher, I might still be there, trying to get the one or two critical classes needed to graduate...!

  69. For a patent deposition by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

    Somebody thinks I have prior art, and I had to be deposed this summer. One of the things we did was run a decade-old version of Gopher for Windows.
    -russ

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  70. Archie by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    I don't miss gopher at all, because you can think of a gopher menu as a special case of a web page. Every gopher menu can be expressed as a web page, and of course web pages can do lots of stuff that gopher menus can't.

    Conclusion does not necessarily follow.

    The guarantee that functionality is within a subset has value in and of itself.

    Gopher links are a single column of text without frames. I can easily navigate a gopher system with just a single hand on the arrow keys while munching a sandwich. Heck, an NES controller would be sufficient. That cannot be done on the Web, because there are no such constraints on design.

    I do miss gopher, but there's a reason that it went away. It wasn't notably better than http for most things. The protocol and setup was more complex than they should be, and the code wasn't necessarily written with security in mind.

    I *still* miss archie and used it up until a year or so ago when the final public archie server went down. Archie was, for legitimate files, something on the order of eDonkey. You needed a file, a server was slow, you found a better one. However, almost everyone made files that might be needed available via FTP. Few files are placed on eDonkey -- if I want to download an arbitrary file, there's a good chance that I can't get it with eDonkey. There is a Web-based archie-style FTP interface that used to be based in Norway and now appears to be part of alltheweb.com that I use occasionally, but it seems that even the day of FTP is slowly drawing to a close -- Apple has shut down their vast FTP archives, and more and more people just use HTTP servers.

    The passing of finger will be missed. It really doesn't make sense in this less-trusting world on the Internet today, but I remember that it was incredibly valuable for trying to help get ahold of someone in an emergency.

    I do still remember that first day when I found gopher, and was told that I could use it for free. I clicked "Other Gopher Servers", and a list came up: "North America", "South America", "Australia", etc. Doesn't seem like a big deal now, but in that day, it just seemed incredible.

  71. about 8 yrs ago by dutch_admin · · Score: 1, Funny

    I used gopher sometimes when I could not find information what I was looking for on the web

    Still using the protocol to shut up people who are claiming that they are using 'the Internet for 20 years now' in chats etc.
    When I ask them how they liked Gopher, they mostly always say they don't watch Sesamestreet anymore...

  72. mmmmm.... gopher..... archie... veronica........ by TeddyR · · Score: 1

    For me probably around 1996.

    I also remember using archie and veronica extensively.

    For the young pups, archie was a "text based" FTP search engine. Veronica was a "text based" gopher search engine.

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  73. Julie's a fucking racist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never giving a brother a chance. Sure, she'll take his drugs, but give him a little taste on the down-low? Never.

    Fucking white trash cunt.

  74. 1992-1993 by scrimmer · · Score: 1

    When I moved into the dorms as an undergrad, I had a 16 Mhz 386 with a 2400 baud modem. Of all the technologies I was exposed to in the university, Gopher was cool because navigating it was somewhat manageable through my poor dial-up connection.

    I finally upgraded that modem to a 28.8 in 1997. I got some mileage out of that 2400 baud, thanks in part to Gopher and lynx.

  75. Gopher as a nessecary tool by stimpleton · · Score: 1

    I speak from the perspective of a new student recieving their student pack with a CD in it with Gopher as one of the tools on it.
    I can remember shifting from New Zealand in 1996 to enrol and University of Minneapolis for 3 years.
    Students were set up with email accounts and a couple other services such as access to the library catalog.
    I purchased a new computer (p166 32mb ram. Pretty hot stuff back then!) from Dinkytown Computers, just by the Uni. It already had the UMN tools loaded with gopher on the desktop! This screwdriver shop had some relationship with the UNM. I do not recall all the details, but one needed gopher to activate and setup their email and library account so it worked.
    I cannot recall, but i think the library catalog was only available on gopher. Certainly you needed it for your lending record and reissues. Regardless thats what I used.
    I guess the point is, it was encouraged technology by UMN at the time.

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  76. Usenet is Far from Dead by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    > One example from my campus is the retiring of the
    > newsgroup server...

    Idiots.

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  77. A while back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last specific time that I can recall using gopher was in about 1991 and I was searching for Simpsons scripts to settle a bet. Maybe it was 1990, not too sure.

  78. FWIW by laslo2 · · Score: 1

    I still like gopher... for storing, sharing, and finding specific documents (papers, notes, etc) it's really handy. My users, on the other hand, wouldn't know what to do with anything that didn't involve a web browser.

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  79. Wow, blast from the past by skintigh2 · · Score: 1

    When I started at WPI in 1994 it was "gopher this, gopher that, gopher is so amazing blah blah" and then there was "Veronica" which was talked up even more so maybe it was written at WPI. It had something to do with gopher.

    Anyway, the first time I had to research a subject I fired up Gopher, (not veronica, I think) and searched, and searched, and searched. And found utter garbage that had nothing to do with anything, (rantings and other nonsence) and I never used it again.

    So, my answer to your question is either 94 or 95.

    As for wanting to stick with older technologies, have you seen an osciloscope lately? Now they are basically a computer running win95 with an A/D card. Windows of course crashes and is in no way intuitive like the old scopes. It does allow you to save screen shots, but getting them out of the scope is a whole 'nother story. It has a floppy drive, if you can get your captures to fit on a floppy. It also has a NIC, but the drivers don't come installed. So, you have to hack around and do it yourself. But then you can't make it accessible to the network at work since you can't just log into the servers from an oscilloscope. What I eventually did was use Internet Explorer from the scope (gotta love monopoly integration) to download some software from the 'net and set up a share that could be seen by other computers at work.

  80. The Well by KevinDumpsCore · · Score: 1

    The last time I used gopher was in 1996 for The Well.