Here's a little theory of mine: users are more concerned with having a great UI and having apps that work together than raw speed. Open source desktops used to have the speed advantage, but not anymore. Can anyone honestly say that GNOME is faster than Windows XP's desktop these days? Same for KDE and MacOS X.
This is a bit like racing. And I think we need to look at the: 'Car' [hardware] - 'Driver' [Software] Package. Not just who's 'fastest'.
I mean, Apple has one powerfull-powerplant [hardware] they utilize - so no wonder the 'Driver' [software] is so fast!
While, "we" in the F/OSS-world utilize commoditiy hardware, as our/the developers pockets aren't that 'deep'... - so no wonder the 'Driver' [software]' doesn't kick-ass all the time:-)
A Review I'd like to see, is where they take an Apple-PowerMac underclock it to match the same performance as the 'commodity hardware'.. and then compare the 'Drivers' [Software's] against each other!
Hyatt and Maciej joined us on IRC yesterday, and we had some really good discussions. I might as well also admit that Maciejs comment was true (but out of context). Please notice that that implies we are discussing solutions and a common future. The idea of a common source tree is pretty much abandoned as we have very different goals and requirements, but we are discussing improved cooperation. With Apple just having released Tiger and us preparing for KDE4 we have a unique opportunity for bringing our source trees closer again.
Since Apple is being a nice guy for the time being, I will let them announce how things will improve once we have a solution, but please, no more ?vs.? stories for the time being, we are working on solving it.
I just wish to weigh in on debacle to clear up some mistakes. First of all I would like to say I agree with Zack. The annoying part is not that Apple don?t cooperate as much as they could. They are actually helpfull in answering questions and _tries_ at least to separate OS X specific features in the code (allthough they fail miserably at it). No, our problem are users who think Apple does more and underestimate the effort it takes for us to implement patches from WebCore. We are doing this for free and for fun, all we really want is appreciation for our effort.
...hearing 'Big thieves' (RIAA's members, the 'music maffia' - 'we' all know how the operate...) cry over (from their POV) a bunch of smaller-thevies 'stealing' from them....
*HMpf*
danalien - former filesharer, stopped 'stealing' garbage...
Scrap Hubble from doing any more 'deep space' imaging... within about ~5-10 years that is. Leave 'deep space' imaging to the up-coming new ELT's (extremely large telescopes)...
and then assign/use it to search for asteroids and what not's... it one of those things we haven't done proper findings on. (sure it need some upgrades... but it'd be manageable to do in any case...)
What's 'spaceaward'? "The Spaceward Foundation is a public-funds non-profit organization dedicated to furthering the cause of space access in educational curriculums and the public." [found in NASA's press release: M05-083]
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or, *d'ooh*
4th)... that's what the CoralCDN mirrored, =), *just* priror to the server's meltdown:)
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hehe:)
1st) it's hard to mirror, if the target URL has been slashdotted prior to CoralCDN-mirroring it...*but you knew that*
2nd)... and it's also hard to mirror a target URL if CoralCDN has been slashdotted, too. [CoralCDN in my eye's is still a quite a 'green' project (needs more exposure to grow), but it sure has got potential of becoming something great!]
3rd).. or it could be something with your (closest) node... or something
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... well, I can admit I felt the same way when I was a Teenager... but whu't ya' know, time did beat some common sense into me, after all:-)
... sense will bite you, sooner or later. Young skywalker =)
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for a tiny-winy bit.
DISCLAIMER:This is off-topic, yet related.
Now that I have it, all I wanted to say is that we (the 'slashdotters') need to agree to some common courtesy. Yes, I'm talking about the 'slashdot effect'.
That each time we, who post something, take the 'common courtesy' of at least Coral CDN [mirror it].
And, no it's not that hard at all, either!
all that 'we' have to do is:
http://redirect.nyud.net:8090/?url=${SUBSTITUTE_WI TH_URL}(see footnotes for more info...)
See, not that hard, really. If it wheren't I would have taken *this time to ask for you attention.
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*)...and if you got 'Konqueror' create a (new) shortcut (like so):
'Searh provider name' == 'Coral CDN' (or enter your own name:P)
'Search URI' == 'http://redirect.nyud.net:8090/?url=\{@}'
'URI shortcuts' == 'cdn,mirror,mirr' (or, again, pick your own 'web shortcuts':P)
so, now all you konqi's have to do is 'mirr: ${URL}'
*).. and for all you Firefox'rs, here's a searchplugin for you'vs too: coral.src & coral.gif [add them to your 'Mozilla Searchplugins'-dir]
*).. and you with other browser, I don't know much about others to comment about. But if you use an enhanced browser (eg. not-IE:-) *blow below the belt, I know, I know =)*), you might be able to add it yourself, someway, like with 'Konqueror'. But I wouldn't know about it, so I leave this up to you'vs.
1st, Tax on owning a computer?, or owning a computer you could potentially use to watch BBC's internet broadcasting?
"
A legal loophole highlighted by the communications regulator Ofcom means that viewers could watch television and listen to radio over the internet and mobile devices free, potentially costing the BBC millions of pounds in licence fees"
... um,... then close it down for the (whole) 'public'... and stick to your paying users, the BBC have allready implemented, albeit only for international users. (eg. I from sweden can't watch all off BBCs internet broadcasting, with out 'registering'... :
2nd, If I don't use BBC's services.. why should I pay any (licence) fee?... I know, it's hard to control with TVs, as they wheren't from the start built for that. But with todays computers, its a breeze in the park to implement. So maybe they ought to make it so that ppl can choose what they want, and pay for it. And not taxing all of a society for what they might choose not to use... because some are still living in the 1900's;-) (when the television started to come to life...)
well no, but you could set it to do it, just open ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf , and add:
#change default 'digest-algo', to:
digest-algo SHA512
.... or what ever you prefer...
BTW, if you use a DSA pub-key, you have to set 'digest-algo RIPEMD160', as your pub-key req.'s a 160-bit hash algorithm.. as you can't use the rest and MD5 & SHA1 been 'broken', doo'h:)
PS. all --<double-dashed-parameters>, can be set in gpg.conf, just strip the '--'... saves you from needlessly long commands, +plus the added bonus of, all the apps that use gpg, will use your settings by-default.
has been using Linux (with KDE) for the past *what is it now* +6 months.
And no, she isn't one of those computer sawy mom's either. Quite far from it, she is so un-sawy that for her the computer is just a (big) 'typewriter'-machine.
Her switch from Windows-->Linux was a:
"Um' this looks a *little* bit different; How do I do <insert all the items she wanted to use the computer for>."
/* For her what matter[s/ed] is that things work, and don't care zillch about the techno-jumbo-jambo. And now when she asks me if I can make it so that she can do thing(s) X(s) (which BTW was one of the 'selling points' I used on her to allow me to switch her; was "No, I can't make it so for you to do thing X for you on that MS Windows machine - but I could make it so for you an a Linux machine" - eg. [and no, I wasn't bending any truths, her old OS was a win 98...and much of the stuff she wanted was unsupported...]. And BTW, I think I'll have to switch my grandmother too, with the same 'selling pitch':-) *hehe*) */
re-reading what I said. Guess what ...
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I wanted to say is, it's not 'multi-tasking' at hand that's the "back breaker" (figurely speaking). *how to put it*
It's not (no way near) as hard lifting something low-weight (low brain/mental-strain), repeatedly (multi-tasking)... then lifing something heavy-weight repeatedly (as many times as the low-weight).
And, as others here have said, one has to also factor in ones persons natural-abilities (*heck* we aren't "cut from the same cloth"... so we don't have each other streanghts/weaknesses... etc (figurely speaking...)). Before determinig what is good/bad for one/what level of strain one can endure... etc....
I think they got some point... but
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the thing not mentioned (well, I'm a regular slashdotte...you didn't think I RTFA? did you?:) ) is that there's a little bit to much 'filler' (meaningless advertisement in general... storys aren't 'honest' but more written in way to lure audience... etc *hope you understand..* ) that's between 'we' and the 'info' - and that can have a negative effect on us (strain of allways having to jump thru 'hoops'... etc), having to 'dig' thru more to get the correct/accurate 'info'. etc. etc.
I mean, if information was aggregated in a effective way, we would spend far less time at getting your daily info-dose. ergo less 'multi-tasking'... but no, we don't live in a world like that. Darwinism is the game, and failing to play is a sure path toward extinction.
Why do you think many slashdotters don't RTFA?...coz they to lazy? (maybe...)?... I for sure don't allways have the time to READ every fsck'n article (of the stories I read) ever posted here
(I assume from the little story-cap in the post if it's worth my time to spend RTFA... guess this wasn't, but I felt like writing instead...*guess I had this on my mind for some time, and *now it felt like the time to blurb about it*:-)).
Which kinda proves that info around here isn't that effectively aggregated - if the summary of the story posted here isn't in-sync with what the original article says...
Slashdot Mirror
Kill all curmudgeon99's , Kill all curmudgeon99's ....
wonder if slashdot-crew couldn't make an anual award for jewels like these =)
of course, *these commits ought to live up to some quantitative Geekness
but, but, you maybe are using a diff. set :-)
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Here's a little theory of mine: users are more concerned with having a great UI and having apps that work together than raw speed. Open source desktops used to have the speed advantage, but not anymore. Can anyone honestly say that GNOME is faster than Windows XP's desktop these days? Same for KDE and MacOS X.
Yeah, I'll take up the challangeplz read, Carewolf on Safari - Submitted by carewolf on Fri, 04/08/2005 - 11:02. , 1st.
This is a bit like racing. And I think we need to look at the: 'Car' [hardware] - 'Driver' [Software] Package. Not just who's 'fastest'.
I mean, Apple has one powerfull-powerplant [hardware] they utilize - so no wonder the 'Driver' [software] is so fast!
While, "we" in the F/OSS-world utilize commoditiy hardware, as our/the developers pockets aren't that 'deep' ... - so no wonder the 'Driver' [software]' doesn't kick-ass all the time :-)
A Review I'd like to see, is where they take an Apple-PowerMac underclock it to match the same performance as the 'commodity hardware' .. and then compare the 'Drivers' [Software's] against each other!
Submitted by carewolf on Fri, 05/13/2005 - 10:33.
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Safari and KHTML againNotice how there isn?t a vs in the title?
Hyatt and Maciej joined us on IRC yesterday, and we had some really good discussions. I might as well also admit that Maciejs comment was true (but out of context). Please notice that that implies we are discussing solutions and a common future. The idea of a common source tree is pretty much abandoned as we have very different goals and requirements, but we are discussing improved cooperation. With Apple just having released Tiger and us preparing for KDE4 we have a unique opportunity for bringing our source trees closer again.
Since Apple is being a nice guy for the time being, I will let them announce how things will improve once we have a solution, but please, no more ?vs.? stories for the time being, we are working on solving it.
Submitted by carewolf on Sat, 04/30/2005 - 13:22.
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Emphasis added by me...I just wish to weigh in on debacle to clear up some mistakes. First of all I would like to say I agree with Zack. The annoying part is not that Apple don?t cooperate as much as they could. They are actually helpfull in answering questions and _tries_ at least to separate OS X specific features in the code (allthough they fail miserably at it). No, our problem are users who think Apple does more and underestimate the effort it takes for us to implement patches from WebCore. We are doing this for free and for fun, all we really want is appreciation for our effort.
*HMpf*
danalien - former filesharer, stopped 'stealing' garbage
all to see him eat his words =)
But, you forget, that you can't crowd everything toward something.
Think of it like this, you can't move/have everyone live along the equator ... - you got to let ppl spread/live where they want to live ....
BTW, for those of you who want to know the name of the 'chemical molecule' it's, Azobenzen.
and then assign/use it to search for asteroids and what not's ... it one of those things we haven't done proper findings on. (sure it need some upgrades ... but it'd be manageable to do in any case...)
all of em' worked fine in MPlayer, for me...
What's 'spaceaward'? "The Spaceward Foundation is a public-funds non-profit organization dedicated to furthering the cause of space access in educational curriculums and the public." [found in NASA's press release: M05-083]
4th) ... that's what the CoralCDN mirrored, =), *just* priror to the server's meltdown :)
1st) it's hard to mirror, if the target URL has been slashdotted prior to CoralCDN-mirroring it...*but you knew that*
2nd) ... and it's also hard to mirror a target URL if CoralCDN has been slashdotted, too. [CoralCDN in my eye's is still a quite a 'green' project (needs more exposure to grow), but it sure has got potential of becoming something great!]
3rd) .. or it could be something with your (closest) node ... or something
um', not the bestest of answers/solutions, but, it'll work, I hope :)
DISCLAIMER: This is off-topic, yet related.
Now that I have it, all I wanted to say is that we (the 'slashdotters') need to agree to some common courtesy.
Yes, I'm talking about the 'slashdot effect'.
That each time we, who post something, take the 'common courtesy' of at least Coral CDN [mirror it].
And, no it's not that hard at all, either!
all that 'we' have to do is: http://redirect.nyud.net:8090/?url=${SUBSTITUTE_WI TH_URL} (see footnotes for more info...)
See, not that hard, really. If it wheren't I would have taken *this time to ask for you attention.
----
*) ...and if you got 'Konqueror' create a (new) shortcut (like so): :P) :P)
'Searh provider name' == 'Coral CDN' (or enter your own name
'Search URI' == 'http://redirect.nyud.net:8090/?url=\{@}'
'URI shortcuts' == 'cdn,mirror,mirr' (or, again, pick your own 'web shortcuts'
so, now all you konqi's have to do is 'mirr: ${URL} '
*) .. and for all you Firefox'rs, here's a searchplugin for you'vs too: coral.src & coral.gif [add them to your 'Mozilla Searchplugins'-dir]
*) .. and you with other browser, I don't know much about others to comment about. But if you use an enhanced browser (eg. not-IE :-) *blow below the belt, I know, I know =)*), you might be able to add it yourself, someway, like with 'Konqueror'. But I wouldn't know about it, so I leave this up to you'vs.
- Broadband video news from the BBC is only available to international users by subscription.
Find out how to get the latest broadband video news from the BBC here.
2nd, If I don't use BBC's services- but doesn't default to them.
well no, but you could set it to do it, just open ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf , and add:#change default 'digest-algo', to:
digest-algo SHA512
BTW, if you use a DSA pub-key, you have to set 'digest-algo RIPEMD160', as your pub-key req.'s a 160-bit hash algorithm.. as you can't use the rest and MD5 & SHA1 been 'broken', doo'h
PS. all --<double-dashed-parameters>, can be set in gpg.conf, just strip the '--' ... saves you from needlessly long commands, +plus the added bonus of, all the apps that use gpg, will use your settings by-default.
And no, she isn't one of those computer sawy mom's either. Quite far from it, she is so un-sawy that for her the computer is just a (big) 'typewriter'-machine.
Her switch from Windows-->Linux was a:
le' giv' em' a go' ool' slashdotting:
http://www.justcallmegod.com/Sloncek/301204%20-%20 Sloncek%20Interview%20www.novastream.org.mp3
It's not (no way near) as hard lifting something low-weight (low brain/mental-strain), repeatedly (multi-tasking) ... then lifing something heavy-weight repeatedly (as many times as the low-weight).
And, as others here have said, one has to also factor in ones persons natural-abilities (*heck* we aren't "cut from the same cloth" ... so we don't have each other streanghts/weaknesses... etc (figurely speaking...)). Before determinig what is good/bad for one/what level of strain one can endure... etc....
I mean, if information was aggregated in a effective way, we would spend far less time at getting your daily info-dose. ergo less 'multi-tasking'... but no, we don't live in a world like that. Darwinism is the game, and failing to play is a sure path toward extinction.
Why do you think many slashdotters don't RTFA? ...coz they to lazy? (maybe...)? ... I for sure don't allways have the time to READ every fsck'n article (of the stories I read) ever posted here
- (I assume from the little story-cap in the post if it's worth my time to spend RTFA... guess this wasn't, but I felt like writing instead
...*guess I had this on my mind for some time, and *now it felt like the time to blurb about it* :-)).
Which kinda proves that info around here isn't that effectively aggregated - if the summary of the story posted here isn't in-sync with what the original article says...