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RFID Tags For The Rich

Greedo writes "While reading this piece about designing 'experiences' in the Globe and Mail, I came across this interesting tidbit: If you're a frequent Prada shopper (and who on /. isn't?), the loyalty card in your wallet or purse contains a RFID tag that announces your arrival in the store. When you encounter a saleswoman, her handheld computer brings up your tastes, buying history, vital statistics and personalized suggestions from in-stock and coming inventory; the handhelds also place orders and book change rooms. Every item for sale bears an RFID tag. The RFID tags are courtesy of IDEO, and their website has a nice write-up of all the RFID-powered stuff at Prada, including the changeroom! I'm guessing this isn't coming to Wal*Mart's changerooms when they implement RFID. (Another write-up can be found here.)"

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  1. Messing with thier system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So what would it take to create a small device to send out random RDIF signals (a 'white noise' generator)?

    1. Re:Messing with thier system by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Or...just have a reader...'capture' the person's personal RFID number...and then, transmit that number for yourself or someone else....

      Would be fun to see tons of snooty sales people running up to a guy dressed like a bum...

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    2. Re:Messing with thier system by skink1100 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've worked with several RFID implementations, and all of the (silicon-based) solutions have decent encryption to prevent "capture" of IDs or other data. Usually a shared-key system -- not unbreakable, of course, but pretty difficult to intercept on the sly.

      S

    3. Re:Messing with thier system by Serious+Simon · · Score: 5, Informative
      I've worked with several RFID implementations, and all of the (silicon-based) solutions have decent encryption to prevent "capture" of IDs or other data.

      Bullshit.

      Proximity cards based on ISO14443 have encryption, but very limited reading range due to the larger power consumption of the chip. Popular types of vicinity (up to about 1 m reading range) cards such as I*Code, Tag-it, ISO 15693 use no encryption at all. I designed low-level firmware for a reader to read these, so I should know...

  2. Hmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet another attempt to add the personal touch to the cold world of business.

    I'm not trying to flamebait, just make an observation. The days of going to your friendly local are over, and now the store assistants don't even need to think or recognise, they simply wrap digital information in comforting words and give you a nice smile.

    1. Re:Hmm.... by alfredw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, if Prada is letting people know about this when they accept the cards, I'd say this is a good technology. Lets them better serve YOU, the customer.

      And if you don't like the idea of carrying around RFID tags, you're welcome to not carry the ENTIRELY OPTIONAL card. And the clothes? Well, Club Monaco (a Canadian clothing chain) already puts RFID tags in all of their higher-end merchandise. Clearly labelled "Please remove after purchase," I might add, which is good advice to anyone.

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    2. Re:Hmm.... by son_of_asdf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If their skills are replaced by a simple chip that tells the associate everything about you, then the stores can get by with hiring minimum wage McDonalds rejects instead, thereby decreasing their total labor costs. It will also cheapen the whole experience.

      On the contrary, to even be able to function in a retail environment such as this, you have to have a certain gentility. Even if you had a client's life history in front of you to refer to, the sort of people that shop at places like Prada expect the salespeople to have a degree of breeding, taste, and poise. If you look at the makeup of the staffs of such places, or of very fine resturants, they tend to be the children of privileged families that, for one reason or another, are obliged to work for a living or are simply bored and want something to do. I spent many years as I went through college working in this area as a sommelier, and I can assure you that unless you can speak clear English, are well educated, and capable of speaking the peculiar high-context language of the upper class, the clients that frequent this sort of place and the people that run this sort of establishment would want nothing to do with you. Your average McDonalds worker would be hopeless in this case, regardless of the technological assistance give them.

      It would indeed cheapen the whole experience: It would put them out of business.

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  3. I'm reminded... by Spytap · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...of the scene in Minority Report where he walks into The Gap and based on his retina scan is offered another set of pants similar to the ones he's bought there before...
    It creeped me out then and it creeps me out now.

    1. Re:I'm reminded... by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Should it though?

      If you lived in a small, isolated, town, the shopkeepers there would know far more about you than these corporations will ever be able to milk from audit trails.

      You don't hear people complaining when their waitress remembers what they like to drink...

      I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here, I value my privacy as much as anyone.

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    2. Re:I'm reminded... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "I would if she wrote it down and faxed it to every other store that paid her a buck for the info."

      There's this Starbucks I regularly visit. I'm quite peculiar with how I like my favourite drink prepared, and I've asked for it so many times, that at some point they started making it as soon as they saw my face.

      But the thing is, I don't always order the same drink everyday, so after preparing a few for nothing, they've learned to wait til I ordered before starting to prepare it.

      Humans are fickle. Put that in your paper trail, and smoke it.

  4. NO WAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My login name for Amazon.com does the same thing when I walk through the door of their e-Store. GOD HELP US ALL THEY ARE AFTER US!!!11!

  5. Technical information on RFID? by JBMcB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's involved in reading an RFID? Is there a standard on what is on an RFID, with vendor ID's set aside as in Ethernet MAC addresses, or is it just a generic number format like with barcodes?

    It would be interesting to get a nice, sensitive, portable RFID antenna hooked up to a laptop and go, uhm, war-walking...

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  6. RFIDs don't kill... people kill by Total_Wimp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some people seem to think anything RFID has to be bad. This proves that doesn't have to be the case. These folks are open about the use of the RFIDs and they use it to provide real value to the customer. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

    Compare/contrast to Wal-Mart which isn't open about the use of RFIDs and doesn't give the customer anything of value when they're installed. Since the customer knows nothing about the RFIDs, they don't have real choice in whether they want "to participate" in potentially privacy invading information gathering. Prada, by being open about the tags, alows the customer to simply shop somewhere else if they don't like them.

    TW

  7. And the thing about Prada that is most positive... by Futaba-chan · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...are our changing rooms. These wonderful rooms do not have doors which automatically lock behind you, and the temperature inside does not increase whatsoever.

    Just listen to this other real human being who have successfully shopped for an article of clothing at Prada:

    "I enjoyed my experience at Prada, and especially the changing rooms. When I had completed my trying on of an article of clothing, I was free to leave, uncooked and totally alive. It is a good store."

    So take it from me, Zalgon-23-Prada: our changing rooms are the best! In fact, you should go in them even if you have no intention of trying on any articles of human clothing. I should know, as I am a human being just like yourself.

  8. Clippy in the dressing room... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    "I see you're trying to put your trousers on two legs at a time."

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  9. Good afternoon by ekephart · · Score: 5, Funny

    and welcome to WalMart. My name is Cletis and I will be your personal saleman. Your most recent purchases include one Remington Bolt Action 700 CDL, two First Response Pregnancy Tests, and a case of motor oil. [Click, click, click] Can I interest you in a 1 Gallon Jar of Pickles?

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  10. I've got to say... by shidoshi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...part of me says, who cares?

    Yes yes, I see the privacy concerns. But on the other hand, people in stores currently aren't exactly trying to remember who you are and what you like. If they have a palm whatever to give them a better understanding of your tastes, they can be far more helpful in less time.

    Getting past the personal buying history, however, those dressing rooms are certainly okay in my book. I like the idea of tags in the clothing displaying information on a screen, and come on... that "magic mirror" would make trying on clothing so much more enjoyable an experience. (At least, for those of us who actually care enough to put some effort in the way we dress.)

  11. Friendly local vs friendly global by lysium · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The days of going to your friendly local are over

    The frequent Prada shopper does not just shop in one city. They will expect the same level of 'courteous' service in New York, Paris, Los Angeles, and perhaps Milan; these RFID tags will give it to them.

    It's not all that bad of an idea. I suspect that these shoppers will not be plagued with advertisements or other spam; they are rich, after all, and not the average dime-a-dozen consumer. The advertisers will be desperate not to offend them.

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  12. How do they do it? by Kohath · · Score: 5, Funny

    How can Prada afford all this technology and still only charge $1000.00 for a handbag?

  13. Re:Tag the rich by Boing · · Score: 5, Funny
    Tag the rich

    Why not? We already monitor their breeding habits (Paris Hilton, Pam Anderson, etc.) It's purely for scientific purposes, I assure you.

  14. ... Exposure by Kyont · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the article, the changing rooms are made of clear glass that goes opaque when you and your RFID tag enter. "Once inside, the customer can switch the doors back to transparent at the touch of a switch, exposing themselves to onlookers waiting outside the room."

    Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

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    1. Re:... Exposure by happyfrogcow · · Score: 5, Funny

      From the article, the changing rooms are made of clear glass that goes opaque when you and your RFID tag enter. "Once inside, the customer can switch the doors back to transparent at the touch of a switch, exposing themselves to onlookers waiting outside the room."

      Are you thinking what I'm thinking?


      I think so Brain, but why would gerbils need RFID tags?

  15. doesn't have to be isolated or small... by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If you lived in a small, isolated, town, the shopkeepers there would know far more about you than these corporations will ever be able to milk from audit trails.

    Small, isolated? Try 1 block from downtown financial center. Not a high-end clothes shop, either. No sir- a deli.

    I started stopping there for a egg/bacon/cheese bagel, and on the second day- the woman looked at me and said "egg bacon cheese bagel, and an OJ, right?" Third day, i got a warm greeting and I knew she still remembered. This isn't a small place- it's directly across from South Station, and opposite One Financial Center. A lot of construction-guy types from the Big Dig and area renovation go there, as do limo drivers and local/state cops. The place is almost always bustling, and I've seen other customers get the same recognition.

    All of this just goes to show that if you want to be successful, it's all about establishing a relationship with the customer, and that's the job of the sales person. It can't be automated, because if the customer sniffs that- they suddenly realize they're just a sheep of hundreds and they're not impressed in the slightest beyond the gee-gaw gadgetry of it all.

    Who do you think will establish more long-term relationships at a high-end clothier- the salesperson with this palm thingy who does the in-person version of "let me pull up your records", or the salesperson who turns around, recognizes an important customer, and says, "Ah, Mr. Jones! Good to see you again. How did the alterations work on your dinner jacket?"

  16. Tagging the rich by br3itain · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why can't we just tag rich people the old fashioned way, by knocking them out with tranquilizer darts and stapling plastic bracelets around their ankles while they're asleep? It works pretty well with grizzlies...

  17. Things to think about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    In response to many of the posts above, this anonymous coward who has worked extensively with supply chain rfid solutions would like to submit the following:

    _ WalMart was testing RFID retail solutions on individual products BEFORE they pulled back from the gillette tag project. See http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/654 /1/2/ for more info and a link to a major newspaper story

    _ Data collected by RFID in the retail environment is pretty inocuous compared to what is already collected. Wheter you use a 'club card' or not, if you've ever payed for a purchase with a credit card there is a name & address associated to your detailed purchases.

    _ RFID tags can't be read by potential theives or evil conmen. The technology as-is is pretty crappy right now, and the range required to read tags small enough to fit on an individual product is within a couple inches. Portals/readers have to be specifically tuned to certin tag formats as well. Suffice to say, unless the 'evil doers' have the ability to hold the actual item -- and the right hardware to read the specific tag, they dont have a shot in hell at reading it. If that doesn't address your concerns, then how about this: newer tags implement self-destructing features, that allow a 'die now' command to be sent when scanning to render them useless -- just to be safe.

    _ RFID tags function poorly around metals and machinery from interference. They're pretty bad around water and paper/wood too.

    _ Everyone touts the Prada store's accomplishments for the past two years. Its old news -- and no one ever mentions that the stuff never works. Go by the store, ask for a demonstration. Watch the employees cross their fingers or laugh. Go on... The Prada store is only functional as a PR piece.

    All of the outcry and reservations about RFID is just plain stupid -- the technology only makes current supply chain tasks easier. The only negative effect on consumer privacy they exert, is detracting attention from the invasive climate THAT ALREADY EXISTS.