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Space Station Slowly Falling Apart?

Yoda2 writes "MSNBC discusses debris apparently seen by the crew floating away from the International Space Station. From the article, 'Such debris may include fragments of insulation, labels and possibly important components.' Yikes! Many of these quotes seem appropriate."

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  1. Scotty quotes? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Informative
    For the life of me, I can't comprehend why the editors front-paged a Geocities link. Special treat to subscribers, perhaps?

    For those of you who can't get to it, don't worry--you didn't miss much. It's just a compilation of Scotty quotes, and contrary to the submitter's assertion, hardly any of them apply to the current situation.

    Unless, of course, the ISS has warp drives.

    Or is in the midst of battle with Klingons.

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    1. Re:Scotty quotes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Here's the geocities list before it exceeds its bandwidth:

      "It fits like a glove, Captain." -- Scotty, Where No Man Has Gone Before, stardate 1312.4, Episode 2
      "Even if we were under full scale attack I couldn't move any faster, not and maintain a safety factor." -- Scotty, The Naked Time, stardate 1704.2, Episode 7
      "That was a pretty good gamble." -- Scotty, The Galileo Seven, stardate 2821.5, Episode 14
      "I'd love to tear this baby apart." -- Scotty, Space Seed, stardate 3141.9, Episode 24
      "The warp drive is a hopeless pile of junk." -- Scotty, The Doomsday Machine, stardate 4202.9, Episode 35
      "The shape the thing's in it's hard to keep it from blowin'." -- Scotty, The Doomsday Machine, stardate 4202.9, Episode 35
      "Laddie...don't you think you should...rephrase that?" -- Scotty, The Trouble With Tribbles, stardate 4523.3, Episode 42
      "It's, uh, it's green!" -- Scotty, By Any Other Name, stardate 4657.5, Episode 50
      "Any man who could perform such a feat, I wo'd na dare disappoint. She'll launch on time. And she'll be ready." -- Scotty, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      "It's borderline on the simulator, we need to do more tests." -- Scotty, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      "Just a minute, Exec, we're picking up the pieces down here." -- Scotty, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      "The engine imbalance is what caused the worm-hole in the first place. It'll happen again if we don't fix it." -- Scotty, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      "We can't take another attack." -- Scotty, Star Trek: The Motion Picture
      "Just the batteries. I can give you inpulse power in a couple minutes." -- Scotty, Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
      "Aye. And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon." -- Scotty, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
      "A chimpazee and two trainees could run her." -- Scotty, "Thank you. I'll try not to take that personally." -- Kirk, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
      "Scotty, you're as good as your word." -- kirk, "Aye sir, the more they overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." -- Scotty, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock
      "Aye. Warp drive standing by." -- Scotty, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock "I find it hard to believe I've traveled millions of miles..." -- Scotty, "...thousands..." -- McCoy, "...thousands of miles for an invited tour..." -- Scotty, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
      "A ship is a ship." -- Kirk, "Whatever you say...thy will be done." -- Scotty, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
      "I know this ship like the back of my hand (bonk)." -- Scotty, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
      "All I can say is...they don't make them like they used ta." -- Scotty, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
      "How many times da I have to tell ya...the right tool for the right job!" -- Scotty, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
      "Finding retirement a wee bit lonely, aren't we?" -- Scotty to Kirk, Star Trek VII: Generations
      "I've given her all she's got captain, and I can't give her no more." -- Scotty, (Several Times)
      "She won't take much more of this." -- Scotty, (Several Times)
      "This jurry-rigging won't last for long..." -- Scotty, (Several Times)
      "Are ya daft lad!!!" -- Scotty to Geordi LaForge, Relics
      "NCC 1701. No bloody A, B, C, or D." -- Scotty yelling at the Enterprise-D's holodeck computer, Relics
      "It's...it's... ... ...um, it's green." -- Data to Scotty, refering to an unmarked bottle of alcoholic content while with him in Ten Forward, Relics

    2. Re:Scotty quotes? by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      . . .hardly any of them apply to the current situation.

      It's worse than that Jim, hardly any of them were any good.

      Not that it matters, it's dead Jim, dead Jim, dead Jim, dead.

      KFG

    3. Re:Scotty quotes? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Funny

      For those of you who can't get to it, don't worry--you didn't miss much. It's just a compilation of Scotty quotes, and contrary to the submitter's assertion, hardly any of them apply to the current situation.

      Unlucky me, I fell in Geocities' good graces and was welcomed by an auto-playing sound file. I'm supposed to be in the middle of a big project, typing away furiously, and suddenly my speakers burst out with "Hello, Computer"!

      Now, people are looking around the cube wall seeing me surfing Slashdot.

      Oops, gotta go.

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    4. Re:Scotty quotes? by secolactico · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm supposed to be in the middle of a big project, typing away furiously, and suddenly my speakers burst out with "Hello, Computer"!

      Which is why I always keep my sound card in "mute" while at work, unless I need to use it for something specific.

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  2. So... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

    So what we're saying is, Mir was actually pretty damn good.

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    1. Re:So... by foistboinder · · Score: 5, Insightful
      So what we're saying is, Mir was actually pretty damn good.

      No kidding. You could crash things into it and set it on fire and it was still usable!

    2. Re:So... by M1FCJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Interesting note, current ISS commander Michael Foayle was onboard Mir when they had the accident with the Progress vehicle. This guy seems to be really unlucky. It was Mir that was falling apart around him, this time it is ISS.

    3. Re:So... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
      No kidding. You could crash things into it and set it on fire and it was still usable!

      Yeah, Mir==Peace, apparently ISS==Piece(s)

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    4. Re:So... by bettiwettiwoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, as the Russian guy says in Armageddon while wildly hitting the panel to make the spacecraft start (possibly not an exact quote): 'Russian equipment; American equipment: all made in Taiwan!'

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    5. Re:So... by Penguinshit · · Score: 4, Funny


      I thought "Mir" == "duct tape"...

    6. Re:So... by shfted! · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude! That's an ingenious marketing idea... Mir brand duct tape!

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    7. Re:So... by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Funny

      Interesting note, current ISS commander Michael Foale was onboard Mir when they had the accident with the Progress vehicle. This guy seems to be really unlucky.

      Or perhaps it's a case of once-bitten twice-shy. Foale was busy conducting experiments in Spektr when the Progress bounced off it on its little detour past the docking port.

      Underneath that cool test-pilot exterior (and a pair of Ray-Bans) is a guy whose eyes are always moving, always watching... ready for that *thump* *crunch* *hissssss* that means IT'S ALL HAPPENING AGAIN!!! OH MY GOD!!! EVAC PROCEDURES, SOYUZ SEPARATION SEQUENCE STA... oh, never mind, just a piece of insulation, sorry.

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  3. Uh, dude. by bad+enema · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the INTERNATIONAL Space Station. So you can't go blaming the Americans even though they do contribute the bulk of the efforts towards the project.

  4. POSSIBLY important by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 5, Funny
    and possibly important components

    Is this a nice way of saying that a slothful astronaut got sucked out into space?

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  5. There are more apt quotes than those. by pheared · · Score: 5, Funny

    Race: Payload checklist. IRS surveillance satellite --
    Buzz: Check.
    Race: Ant farm --
    Buzz: Check.
    Race: Children's letters to God --
    Buzz: Check.

    --- Deep Space Homer

  6. Labels... by addie · · Score: 5, Funny

    include fragments of insulation, labels and possibly important components

    Labels? Like "Canadarm" or "U.S.A." ? Please don't tell me there's a Taco Bell billboard up there too!

  7. Oh no... by Bendebecker · · Score: 5, Funny

    There goes the $10,000 wrench. There goes the $20,000 hammer...

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  8. In Soviet Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny



    America pays all the bills!

  9. Hey, I lost that ... by thrill12 · · Score: 5, Funny
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  10. Fun and Games on the station by grub · · Score: 5, Funny



    Cosmonaut : [peering out window] I spy vith my leetle eye.. something that is yellow.
    Astronaut : Hey, we have this game in the US too! Umm yellow.. a sticker?
    Cosmonaut : Be more specivic.
    Astronaut : A sticker that says "Outer Hatch"?
    Cosmonaut : Da! You wi.....
    21908uje12~~!~~~

    [END TRANSMISSION]

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  11. hmm by Rotting · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if it is all coming from the space station. There must be a lot of crap up there now... unless decaying orbits take care of that sort of thing?

    Perhaps it is a sneaky astronaut out there snapping pieces off to frighten the others... All in good fun.

  12. It's not from the Space Station by hcg50a · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article clearly states the piece was from the Progress or Soyuz spacecraft docked to the Space Station. It is a part that locks down the solar panels on these craft.

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  13. Ok ok -- here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) I always knew that such an international collaboration is succeptible to fragmenting.

    2) Someone send in Tom Ridge with plastic wrap and duct tape.

    3) In ISS, the computers defrag you!

    4) The ISS -- Modular programming at its finest.

    5) ISS -- I could have sworn it was Apache Station

    6) NASA is waiting for an official patch for ISS

    7) Aussie quoted: "pull yourself together, mate! Yer fallin apart!"

    8) ISS -- where do you want to fragment today?

  14. Yeah, well, the article says it's a russian piece. by AzrealAO · · Score: 4, Informative

    the article says the piece was Russian, and is most likely part of one of the explosive bolt assemblies that holds the solar panels in the stowed position during launch.

    They're going to move the Canadarm into position to take a look at the solar panels on the Progress that recently docked, to see if the part is missing.

  15. Definitely ISS debris by Buran · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, it is station debris. The odds of anything passing within view of the crew is very, very small unless it came from the vehicle they are in. The kind of debris that is being talked about here (possibly launch stow clamps for Progress/Soyuz solar panels) is quite small and would be extremely difficult to see from greater distances. These parts are used to hold the solar panels in the folded position during ascent and are no longer needed once the spacecraft is in orbit and the panels unfold.

    The station normally has a Soyuz docked (for crew escape) and a Progress docked (for resupply and refuelling and trash stowage.) That's four solar panels right there. In addition, the Russian station modules (except for the Pirs airlock) have their own solar panels, as they operated autonomously at first, and provided power to the US modules earlier in the assembly sequence before the larger US array was added.

    The biggest worry is that one of these pieces could impact the station and damage it.

    1. Re:Definitely ISS debris by M1FCJ · · Score: 4, Informative
      There are many aspects. Earth is not a perfect sphere. This means there are many gravitational variations. This means along the path any piece of debris will be pulled towards earth with a different acceleration. This means the orbit will not be a perfect mathematical equation. This means a piece may move wrt the original location.

      The second is air resistance in that height. As anyone knows, air resistance depends on the surface area. The drag will depend on the total mass of the debris. This means relatively space station and the debris eventually will have relative speed difference and a piece of debris with enough m/s can have enough energy to pierce the hull, which is a simple aluminum tin, not a 10 cm solid sheet of steel. On the other hand the ISS hull is not a tin can, it is layered with lots of equipment and cables. This also means they will have trouble locating the hole. They had the same problem with Spectre module in Mir, whatever they did, they couldn't locate the hole from inside and outside. That's also why they had a pressure loss scare a couple of months ago. They just couldn't find if there was a hole or not.

    2. Re:Definitely ISS debris by mlyle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To simplify it, simple harmonic motion-- the movement of the ISS around the earth.

      If you're on the ISS, and you "push" a bolt 1 foot below the station, without changing its orbital velocity, you have just moved the ellipse of the orbit of that object around the earth, but not changed its size.

      So when you have travelled 180 degrees around the earth, the object will want to be one foot higher than the station; another 180 degrees and back to 1 foot below, etc, oscillating back and forth. This is one of the fundamental ways that "microgravity" differs from true zero-gravity.

  16. Try what they did on MIR by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    On MIR, when this happened, they just shipped up more vodka from the gravity well.

    Pretty soon, no-one cared that they were floating in a tin-can far above the world.

    Problem solved.

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  17. Warning: by mark0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Objects in Mir are closer than they appear.

    Ooops. Wrong station.

  18. It's actually... by AzrealAO · · Score: 4, Informative

    part of the explosive restraining bolt assembly, that keeps the solar panel stowed during launch. Once it get's into orbit, the bolt's are blown apart, and the solar panel's deploy, so they're not needed once the Progress is in orbit.

    The pieces of the bolt are supposed to stay secured to the spacecraft with restraining wire (so that you don't have bolts and stuff tumbling around in the same orbit with you). The article says they're going to move the Canadarm into position to check to see if one of these restraining bolts is missing.

  19. Re:Good idea by Golias · · Score: 5, Funny
    The headline also contains one of the more amusing examples of weak grammar I've seen on /.

    MSNBC discusses debris apparently seen by the crew floating away from the International Space Station.

    The crew saw debris as they were floating away from the ISS!? It sounds like the more alarming story is the fact that the ISS is losing crewmen! :)

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  20. Rename the ISS by Migraineman · · Score: 5, Funny

    A long while ago, somebody* called Mir "The Orbiting Space Barge of Death." Perhaps the ISS could be renamed "The International Space Barge of Death."

    *(I wanna say it was from an old /. poll, but I couldn't locate the source.)

  21. Get over here!! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 4, Funny
    And, by the way, falling??? That baby is on the orbit!

    C'mere you!

    *smack* "Falling apart" is just a saying. *smack* Now say it! *smack* Say it! *SLAP* That's right. *biff* Now who's yer daddy? *pow* Yeah, I thought so. *wham* Now, get back to work. *bonk*

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  22. Shaking it up? by MrEd · · Score: 4, Funny
    In the past, during periods of strong rhythmic thumping on an exercise device, the solar arrays on docked Soyuz and Progress craft can be observed to jiggle.

    ... okay, guys, lay off the rythmic thumping, ok?

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  23. The real conclusion by Zebra_X · · Score: 5, Informative

    That first paragraph prented as the headline is a bit inaccurate. Basically the article goes on to explain that the part in question is part of an explosive bolt, read, disposable. The space station is not falling apart as out slashdot editors would have us believe.

    Images of the object were sent to the Russians, and the boltlike object looked familiar. "Preliminary info from Moscow indicates that the eyebolt may be from the Soyuz solar arrays," the NASA report said. "Four of them are used to safe the [solar array] during launch with a hook mechanism, which is released via [explosive bolt] after insertion [into orbit]. The bolts are secured with a nut and a locking wire, and apparently one of them came free."

    The same bolts are used both on the Soyuz crew transport spacecraft and on Progress, the Russian-built cargo-only ship. Both vehicles are currently docked at the station, and NASA sources said Tuesday the Russians now believe the piece actually came off the Progress, which arrived at the space station at the end of last month. In the past, during periods of strong rhythmic thumping on an exercise device, the solar arrays on docked Soyuz and Progress craft can be observed to jiggle.

    1. Re:The real conclusion by psoriac · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the past, during periods of strong rhythmic thumping on an exercise device,

      Is that the space euphemism for "having sex"?

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  24. Re:get a clue... by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Vehicals in orbit are falling, they just have enough forward velocity to miss.

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  25. Almost. Exact quotes from IMDB. by antdude · · Score: 4, Informative

    From IMDB:

    Lev Andropov: Excuse me, but I think I know how to fix this.
    Watts: Move it! You don't know the components!
    Lev Andropov: [annoyed] Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!!!

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  26. Open the podbay doors, Hal. by nphillips · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sorry Dave, I can not do that. It fell off already.

  27. Oh great by Savatte · · Score: 5, Funny

    my head injury from Skylab just cleared up 3 days ago, now I have to worry about this.

  28. space duct tape erodes! by morcheeba · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kapton tape, which is essentially used as space duct tape, erodes in the presence of atomic oxygen. Atomic oxygen (just a single O, not the usual stable O2) is quite reactive, and will eat away many materials on the leading edge of spacecraft. Atomic oxygen is found more in the lower orbits (i.e. ISS and space shuttle) rather than the higer orbits (geosynchronous). Here are some pictures from the experiment.

    (yep, I'm a former rocket scientist)

  29. if it's true that pieces are falling off... by ZipR · · Score: 4, Funny

    and if these pieces are coming to earth... I think it may be time for me to add an extra layer of protection to my tinfoil hat.

  30. Re:Labels? wtf?! by M1FCJ · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Something people don't understand is once you've been up there, most probably you won't go back again unless you are lucky/have a good relationship with management. Most people go to space for at most three times, only one has been there for seven times. Russians have a smaller cosmonaut team. This means they can actually have people experienced with the actual thing. Two years of training and two weeks on the shuttle is nothing compared to the russian cosmonauts' flying time experience.

    As a result, when you are in the station, you won't be able to find anything. This was a major issue with Mir and Skylab, probably it was with Salyuts as well. No one stows the experiment equipment once they use it, just straps it into a convenient location. If you do a space walk, the chances are it will be your first time outside of the space station and you will get lost, won't find what you are looking for and won't remember the training session you had a year ago in a boring, hot Texan day.

    Labels are for convenience.